2003 Steroid List Leaked?
by texasraider on Jun 29, 2009 3:02 PM CDT
73 comments
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I have no earthly idea if this is accurate or not
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FROM ROTOINFO
Rumored steroid list
1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Jeromy Burnitz
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews
104.Oliver Perez
YIKES
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"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jun 29, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, care to give some kind of source there?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jun 29, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
11 former rangers out of 104 players on 30 teams?
not good for the rangers if accurate
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jun 29, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Given that most players
play for 3-4 teams, 11/104 probably isn’t any significantly above chance.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 29, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The teams appear to be listed by team/division/league
The Rangers only have 4 players from that 2003 team on there (ARod, Palmeiro, Juan Gone, and Everett). Of course, those were three of our putative HOFers at the time.
I’m thinking the large number of key Red Sox members is more troublesome, considering that team’s popularity.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 29, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really, really need a source on this, brosephine.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jun 29, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
look below ... sorry, it didn't show up on the post
by texasraider on Jun 29, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
edit the post
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jun 29, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry …
I wrote the following but it didn’t show up for some reason.
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by texasraider on Jun 29, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and they don't give any context whatsoever either
Meh not believing this one yet.
Although Frank the Cat’s name was interesting.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jun 29, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite name there is Mark Prior
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 29, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure that was first reported
4 years ago, wasn’t it?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 29, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see
a legitimite source for this.
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by DJCahill on Jun 29, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I think you could randomly list 104 player names from 2003 and probably have about 80%+ accuracy.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 29, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need Crops and their rolodex on this one.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jun 29, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
w00t
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 29, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll note the absence of the one true modern Baseball God
Albert Pujols is not there…
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 29, 2009 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
He is about the only one I believe who says he didn’t do it. I don’t know why, just do.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by TxStCa on Jun 29, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank Thomas
was pretty outspoken the whole time and pledged for years that he would take a drug test anyplace, anytime, to anyone that wanted it. I’m pretty sure he was clean.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jun 29, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him too.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by TxStCa on Jun 29, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Junior Griffey
not there
Keepin it Classy Gentlemen
by Hamiltons Homey on Jun 29, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so clearly he didnt take them.
…i think not
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 29, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know.
Makes him and Pujols that much better.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jun 29, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ibanez too
Thanks to the shitstorm from earlier this month, I’m firm in my belief he has always been clean.
kling klang king of the rim ram room
by chief of the fuzzers on Jun 29, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Farts*
Yah, anyone who takes that hard a stance on ’roids must be clean.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jun 29, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't basing that on his word
More on the deep analysis of his numbers that was the result of it.
kling klang king of the rim ram room
by chief of the fuzzers on Jun 29, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 29, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This wouldn't completely exhonerate anyone
it would simply prove they didn’t fail that test at that time.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jun 29, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so Pujols sent this list out?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 29, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vladimir Guerrero is also absent.
~Till the Halo burns out...
by Zu Long on Jun 29, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure this is the website that rips off other website's RSS feeds
This list is bunk.
by Joey Matschulat on Jun 29, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second
Barry Bonds used steroids?
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 29, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tatis
If he took PEDs around 2003, it didn’t show in the numbers…
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/T/Fernando-Tatis.shtml
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jun 29, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who cares
I did, which is why I am posting in this thread
Dammit.
by Telegraph on Jun 29, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Rogers
that is a pretty interesting name. He was a pretty big whistle blower
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 29, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm naive...
…but I feel like there are too many “big names” on this list. Not enough small-timers.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jun 29, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what I thought
Where are backup IFers, middle relievers and 4th OFers? Way too skewed towards names people would recognize.
I ain’t buying it.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 29, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you became a "big name"
by being on steroids?
Not that I believe that – I would actually imagine that the majority of users were fringe players, like Juan Rincon and GMJ. But who knows.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 29, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I would think there would be more players with Latin American ties
Recalling those that have been suspended that seems to be a theme. Not being racist or anything but availability of steroids down there seems a bit more than in the US (like A-Rod’s story).
Sure, Bonds probably did them but he was supposedly taking undetectable ones. McGwire had ties to his brother that was a bodybuilder.
If anything, the big names would probably be the ones with access to and money for HGH and things that couldn’t be detected. The fringe guys would be taking regular, old steroids.
This seems like a list put together by two guys looking at 2003 rosters and saying to each other “oh yeah, I’m sure that guy took steroids. Put him on the list.”
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 29, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I saw this on rotoworld yesterday. Moderator closed it because the author got it from a friend of a guy who knows the list. While believable, this list is bullshit.
Does Zach Phillips have to choke a bitch to get to Frisco?
by sprite on Jun 29, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the rotoworld thread
Does Zach Phillips have to choke a bitch to get to Frisco?
by sprite on Jun 29, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, this is complete BS until I get it from an at least halfway legit source.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jun 29, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard time believing it
mainly because there are too many big names on there. Sounds stupid I know, but the test was a relatively small number of players and to have that many big names within that group is strange. Makes it seem as if every good player from that era was conveniently in the test group.
Reminds me too much of when the Mitchel Report was about to come out. Throw all the good names about and maybe some of them will stick when the truth is known.
by texasbuckeye on Jun 29, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Key to knowing its not "The List"
Jeromy Burnitz is listed twice
by texasbuckeye on Jun 29, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
I was about to drop a “bout fuckin’ time” comment.
Or, perhaps, Burnitz was especially egregious.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jun 29, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
103 postive tests, 104 different places a player played.
Burnitz played for the Dodgers and Mets that year. That in itself peaks my interest more now, than before I looked it up.
This seems like a list that would be submitted to each team of who tested positive that was compiled together.
I find this actually more creditable now than I did before. If you where making up a list of players, I doubt that I would double check to see if a guy got traded.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jun 29, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not trying to validate the list but
Jeromy Burnitz was traded during the 2003 season. Someone mentioned that the list was sorted by league, division, and team so that might explain him being on there twice.
by baylor on Jun 29, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its funny
because I remember when the original SI story by Verducci came out, Kenny Rogers was one of the main major leaguers that was arguing against it vehemently. Funny how things turn out….
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by hinduplaya on Jun 29, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we should wait for some sort of comfirmation better than "A friend of the guy who pierced my genitals got a peek at the list" or whatever this shit is from.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jun 29, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife...
is the one who pierced my genitals, sadly she still carries one of them around with her in her purse.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 29, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got to keep one?
You lucky fella….
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jun 29, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booo @ the ticket for spreading this
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jun 29, 2009 5:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
KENNY ROGERS??
really, I have a hard time believing this, but I guess if Barry did them than anybody could have
by blueballlefty on Jun 29, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kris Benson?
heh
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Jun 29, 2009 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Frank Catalanotto too
Double LULZ.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
by lonestarJon on Jun 29, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that list is close to accurate
the following sadden me
moises alou (though he DID miraculously get better as an older player)
frank catalanotto (really??)
Johnny Damon (hate oak, bos and nyy, but i like the guy)
vernon wells
kenny rogers
bret boone/aaron boone (only because both did it)
roberto alomar (hopefully he didn’t share needles)
barry bonds (say it ain’t so!!!)
andres galaragga (see alou)
shawn green (only like him because he’s jewish)
todd helton (!!!!!!!it was gonna be him or pujols that would win the triple crown some day)
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
by gossamer on Jun 29, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if its leaked
do any players/the mlbpa have any legal action they could take?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 29, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
equally
could players sue the MLBPA for not making sure the samples/list were destroyed?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 29, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donald Fehr
I have no idea why he wasn’t fired the minute the first name was leaked. It was his union’s job to make sure the list was destroyed and they drug their feet. He gave the players the OK to take the test (which they weren’t forced to do as far as I know) with the understanding that it was private. He then betrayed them by not making sure it was destroyed. He should have been there with a cigarette lighter and paper shredder himself to make sure the names were never seen by anyone. That big of a screwup should have gotten him canned immediately.
I doubt the players could sue because I doubt they could find out who leaked it. I believe that numerous law firms have copies and the government has a copy through the BALCO case. Finding out the leak is not going to be easy since I doubt any reporters would give up their sources.
by uthornfan on Jun 29, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Law says it's fake...
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jun 30, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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