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Murray Chass on Tom Hicks

Murray Chass has a lengthy blog post up railing about Tom Hicks, and blaming him for ruining baseball by signing Alex Rodriguez to a $252 million deal.

I guess it is retro day, since complaining about Hicks signing ARod is so 2001...

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Murray is grumpy this morning

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 3, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

After so many years of of bad baseball

it finally appears as though there’s daylight at the end of the tunnel.

We have a young talented team with lots of financial flexibility that resides in a relatively new ballpark in the number 5 media market.

On top of everything else, it appears the team will no longer be possessed by Tom Hicks or any other spare in his family.

An owner that truly prioritizes winning could do great things with this organization which I have always considered the biggest sleeping giant in MLB.

These are good times.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 3, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

One Problem
An owner that truly prioritizes winning could do great things with this organization which I have always considered the biggest sleeping giant in MLB.

We’re not guaranteed to get an owner better than Hicks. I don’t like Hicks, but I’m not sure we can count on a new owner to be any better or worse…

by cstorm15 on Jun 3, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Hicks

is the worst fucking owner in baseball and has been for a while.

I’ll take my chances on just about anybody else that comes down the pike.

Don’t be afraid of progress or change.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 3, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

worst in baseball?

according to what? loria takes the cake there if your a fan of that team

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 3, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Owners

The Nationals’ current ownership is pretty bad. Drayton McLane has been a good owner, but lately, he’s been terrible, picking a yes-man in Ed Wade as GM and refusing to spend to get young talent into the system.

I don’t much care for Loria either, and I’d have a hard time saying that Hicks is worse than the recent owners of the Pirates or Padres, though the new owners haven’t really been in place in either city long enough to pass judgement.

Hicks has been a poor owner, but seriously, when have the Rangers ever had a good one? The Rusty Rose/GWB partnership is about as good as it’s ever gotten, and even they didn’t spend a lot of money on free agents.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Jun 3, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you

for giving us reasons Josey. Nice ridiculous claim

by ScratchHorn on Jun 3, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit, Adam

Murray Chass does NOT blog, and you know it.

http://www.murraychass.com/?page_id=23

"I will hit you, emo boy." -- my wife to a pedestrian, 8 May 2009

by Lucas on Jun 3, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

That still gets me

It’s a site for columns, not blogs. As if there is a vast distinction between a “baseball blog” and a “website that posts columns about baseball.”

Since it’s Murray Chass Day:
http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/02/this-is-why-this-site-exists.html

Statistics mongers promoting VORP and other new-age baseball statistics.

“New age” is touchy-feely. New age is spiritual. New age is intangible. VORP, Mr. Chass, is not new age. It may be relatively new, but it is not new age. It is the opposite of new age. It is an attempt to quantify, to measure, to analyze. You know, a more scientific approach to knowledge. Science — that thing that humans do to find out more about the world around them. Not new age — a fake thing that involves pan flutes and rubbing crystals on your body.

I receive a daily e-mail message from Baseball Prospectus, an electronic publication filled with articles and information about statistics, mostly statistics that only stats mongers can love.

You can feel the sneer curling on his face as he writes “electronic publication” with a quill pen in Olde English, then rolls up the parchment and sends it on its three-day horseback journey to his publisher, Lord Sulzberger, Jr.

He’s kidding about the e-mail of course. He doesn’t have an “e-mail address.” E-mail is for new age wack jobs.

To me, VORP epitomized the new-age nonsense.

Sir. Sir. You’re still using “new age” incorrectly. Excuse me, sir?

(Murray Chass ignores me and continues brushing his teeth with a small rubber fish.)

"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel

by WestTxAg06 on Jun 3, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

i just dont get

how signing a guy who is/was headed on ot be one of the greatest players in the history of baseball is a bad deal

say he finishes his career a ranger – you get his 2000, 3000, ???? hits + his 500/600/700/record setting HRs

you get a guy who is a GG caliber SS and 3 hole hitter for the next ten years — you have a guy to build around

figure all that happens, without the steroid BS, and how is that a bad signing — especially when you want to make a splash?

your telling me that right now, if mantle, mays or ken griffey jr gone on the market at 22 years old it would hav ebeen a bad signing to sign him? sure he offered him more than others people (yes a lot more) but if its someone elses money you wouldnt do it for any of those guys?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 3, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

It was a bad deal

only when Tom Hicks pretty much folded his hand 3 years later and pretty much admitted the Rangers didn’t have a high enough revenue structure to afford a $25 million player. When you pay someone $65 million to take a player of ARod’s magnitude off your hands, you have pretty much admitted you had no idea what your budget needed to be.

"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com

by DJCahill on Jun 3, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

some of that "fold"

has to be attributed to Buck right? I mean had he not been pushing for Arod to be traded so that we had both player and manager wanting a change he might have never been traded.

by bdavison94 on Jun 3, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering

how aggressive Hicks has dropped the budget since then, I think you are hardpressed to say the Rangers could have sustained a near 100 million budget. I think you’d have to be in that level to take on a 25 million contract. Certainly, I think you have to be north of 90 million.

"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com

by DJCahill on Jun 3, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

An owner that invested into the product

and prioritized winning could very, very easily sustain $ 100 million payroll budget in this marketplace.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 3, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree

that he has aggressivly dropped the budget. It’s not like he hasn’t gone after expensive free agents since Arod was traded. Delgado and Zito jump to mind. The budget has gone down but could just have easily gone up if certain free agents had signed.

by bdavison94 on Jun 3, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

some of that "fold"

has to be attributed to Buck and company wanting Arod gone though. A different manager in place and we might have never traded arod.

by bdavison94 on Jun 3, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

This is just idiotic
Hicks also owns the Dallas Stars of the National Hockey League and once won the Stanley Cup with them, but they have lost their luster, finishing 23rd among the N.H.L.’s 30 teams this season. Hicks bought the Stars in 1995 for a reported $84 million and the Rangers in 1998 for $250 million.

He never really bothered to lookup that the Stars were perennial playoff contenders this entire decade, and that this year was more an aberration, with injuries ruining the team more than anything.

Horrid article, but I figured just as much when I clicked it.

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by Maximilian on Jun 3, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I wonder if the Hockey

Franchise has grown at all in value. I don’t figure Hockey Franchises are worth all that much.

"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com

by DJCahill on Jun 3, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stars' value

Per Forbes, the Stars were worth $273 million at the beginning of last season, which ranked them sixth overall in value.

http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/toronto-remains-most-valuable-nhl-franchise/

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Jun 3, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

suprisingly the NHL franchises are

gaining value faster than MLB franchises. It has more to do with the fact that the NHL was devalued so much because the strike.

by laxtonto on Jun 3, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

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