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An Off-Topic Mavs question

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Last year, there was discussion on LSB about how the Mavs could have bought a late first round pick for $3 million, but the consensus from a lot of folks here was that that was too much and they were better off not spending the money.

This year, the Mavs have a late first rounder.  If another team is willing to offer them $3 million for that pick, shouldn't the Mavs take the money and trade away the pick, under that same logic?

If not, why not?

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the Mavericks should sell the pick, take the money and just Bribe David Stern with it, as he is the one who dictates the winners and losers.

"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com

by DJCahill on Jun 3, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

winners and losers

Well he didn’t get the Lakers vs Cavs finals he wanted. Unless you believe in the LeBron/Knicks conspiracy.

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by RangerMad on Jun 3, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently

according to D.A. Tron, deep, deep down, David Stern really wanted a clean cut untattooed center like Howard in the finals and King James just had to wait his turn until he was out of Cleveland and in a real media market.

"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com

by DJCahill on Jun 3, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That wasn't me who posited that.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

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by thedirkatron on Jun 5, 2009 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think they should trade it away

if they can’t land Lawson.

I’d rather see Cuban use his money in trades.

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by willamos2 on Jun 3, 2009 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Lawson may very well be available to the Mavs

word is he’s short, out of shape and injury prone

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by TomLovesHideki on Jun 3, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

you

can’t add more than 3 million in cash to any individual trade, so even if the mavs made several trades with cash considerations included they would not exactly be breaking the bank

by theflip44 on Jun 3, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think Cuban has an idea of what he wants to spend in a given season

and i think he would conscientiously use that money saved from selling the draft pick (not to mention the salary he would save by not paying the 1st round pick) towards trades (both in terms of acquiring salary and in terms of putting cash into deals to facilitate their completion).

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by willamos2 on Jun 3, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

If someone like Lawson or Jeff Teague is available, then keep the pick

There’s quite a few intriguing names in this draft that I wouldn’t mind taking a shot on. Either way, the offseason will rest on how Cuban can move the contracts of Stackhouse and/or Damp. Stacks is quite appealing to many teams.

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by Maximilian on Jun 3, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Stack got old fast.

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by inactive lsb user on Jun 3, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed he did.

Funny how he led the league in scoring one year.

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by Maximilian on Jun 3, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The questions is does that $3Million add back to the salary cap?

Or are we still in the same position as we are know? Mavs are very tight when it comes to budget for they are over the cap already and Cuban is paying quite a bit in the luxury cap. Does the $3M help us in that area?? If not, then i dont think the money is used to get a FA other than just put in Cubans pocket. So i say no, draft a decent player, sign him for cheap and then see what you get.

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by thad728 on Jun 3, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

well basketball

idiot, if we still have all the other contracts then no it wont take money off the cap, it will just give Cuban money to pay the luxury cap bill so he can afford to go over it a lil more if the right trade came along, but I say do it if your going to have another shit pick like we have had for the last 4 years and save some money

by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

Orlando got Courtney Lee with the 22nd pick last draft, so there is value in the early twenties. Besides the 3 mil we would get would only pad Cuban’s wallet, it is not like that money lowers our cap number.

by theflip44 on Jun 3, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

that $3M could be included in a trade though

to help facilitate a deal

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by willamos2 on Jun 3, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

but that 3 million is not any different than any other 3 million from Cuban’s pocket and he has never shown a reluctance to spend

by theflip44 on Jun 3, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

do you trust Donnie

to not pick a euro stiff? or some other piece of trash that we will cut 5 weeks down the road

by blueballlefty on Jun 3, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey

he always will have one pretty damn big feather in his cap from picking some euro stiff…

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by knockoutking on Jun 3, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a Spurs fan, I see one fundamental problem with the Mavs keeping this late first round pick, or trading it for that matter. Is their front office good enough to make a smart pick there or spend the money wisely elsewhere? I’m not sure Nellie can get the job done for you guys. Of course the Spurs FO did not have a good year…so maybe I have no room to talk.

by Big50 on Jun 3, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Cuban owns the Mavs not Hicks

I would have a problem with Cuban selling draft picks when he has the money and the team needs to get younger. I have no problem with Cuban spending his money to acquire good young players. I especially would like them to buy a top 5 draft pick like they did with Deven Harris. Maybe they can get Rubio the Spanish PG.

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by DerekSTheRed on Jun 3, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd really like to get Rubio,

but isn’t he expected to go 2-3? Be hard to move that high.

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by scoop16 on Jun 3, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

we arent getting rubio

even if we somehow moved into the top 5 and he screamed at the world to not draft him he’d still probably get taken before us

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by studcrackers on Jun 3, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have always believed that

teams/owners really dont take enough advantage of the draft picks for sale phenomenon. Hell, buy a late first rounder, draft a foreign guy and stash him overseas. maybe he develops into something, maybe he doesnt. I think it is worth the gamble. Also, there is always that big slider that falls into the early to mid 20s.

by Michael Cave on Jun 3, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Mavs suck

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by NothinG on Jun 3, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

The Spurs built a solid core on late 1st round picks

Of course, having Tim Duncan to build around helps.

They should keep the pick, go for a rebounding, hustling Euro-type.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Jun 3, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

i miss this guy

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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by knockoutking on Jun 3, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

You miss Chris Webber?

by Big50 on Jun 3, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why are we talking about the NBA on a baseball blog?

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by WyoRanger on Jun 3, 2009 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

The reasoning behind trading that pick for the cash this year

would be: A) we’ve got a full lineup now and B) there isn’t a player available with that pick that has the ability to either help out now or develop into a Bynum-like starter in the future.

The problem with trading this year’s pick at 22 is that we need the help, and there are plenty of names out there (very deep draft through the end of the 1st/beginning of the 2nd rounds) that could possibly have a big impact on the team as early as next year and certainly in the future as they develop. I am personally hoping we land Ty Lawson or Terrence Williams for immediate impacts, and I’m somewhat intrigued by Omri Casspi and Jrue Holiday for a project player. Sam Young, Darren Collison and Dionte Christmas are also players I wouldn’t mind ending up with.

Last year, we could’ve moved up to take DeAndre Jordan, Mario Chalmers or Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, all of whom could’ve helped out as early as last year; or we could’ve moved up for Chris Douglas-Roberts, who I believe could’ve been a good fit, too.

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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 3, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Move Up?

Why not spend $3M to buy a late 1st round pick, then package it with #22 and move up to say #15 if there is a player there that you like be it Lawson, Evans, Teague, whoever?

by Topgun22 on Jun 3, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Right....

But I meant for a specific player, I was just throwing names out there. What if Cuban/Donnie love Evans, and he falls to 14 or 15 but they’re positive he won’t get to #22?

by Topgun22 on Jun 3, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

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if you want to relive the horror, i just watched 1 minute of it and saw about 4 terrible calls, not surprisingly all against the mavs

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by studcrackers on Jun 3, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

There is talk that Donnie doesn't see anything he likes at #22

which bugs me as much as them not thinking it was worth picking anyone late in the first last year, for a roster with like seven good players.

by Brett Perryman on Jun 3, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

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