Tuesday morning things
by Brett Perryman on Jun 30, 2009 10:27 AM CDT
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PrintTexas has lost three in a row; the Angels have won six in a row. They have plenty of games left against LA, but one would think that the Rangers really need to win at least one of the next two to keep the scent. Also, don't look now but Seattle is just one back of Texas.
Jeff Miller looks at Vicente Padilla's puzzling velocity ups and downs. Last night was a down.
Richard Durrett reviews that fifth inning last night.
Tim Cowlishaw talks about the surprise twist to this season, the team's struggling offense.
Anthony Andro explains Julio Borbon's promotion, as well as Tommy Hunter's outlook
Jim Reeves wants to see Borbon at the top of the order. I think that the eight hole, right in front of Andrus, is the right spot for him.
Jan Hubbard talked with Josh Hamilton after his 1-4 rehab performance in Frisco. Hamilton looked rusty to me, could use a little more action.
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right on Reeves
If Wash is not going to bat Borbon leadoff, JD needs to make it happen.
“I think the thinking was not to put him in a pressure situation on his first day,” club president Nolan Ryan said with a shrug as he left The Ballpark.
That’s way too much thinking for me, but it’s clear that Washington has no intention of moving Ian Kinsler from the leadoff spot to, say, third in the batting order, at least until Josh Hamilton gets back, in order to help make Borbon feel more comfortable.
“That’s not going to happen,” Washington said.
Which then begs the question: Why bother to call Borbon up if the Rangers aren’t going to give him his best chance to perform as he did at Oklahoma City, where manager Bobby Jones and the team’s other scouts lauded the energy he brought to the offense?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
I don't get this hurry to slot Borbon into the leadoff spot myself
Fine, he’s fast. So what? Joaquin Arias is fast too, maybe we should call him up and hit him leadoff.
Let’s at least see Borbon get acclimated to big league pitching like Andrus did, and see if he can take a walk at the major league level before we start pining for him to hit leadoff.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
I'd hit him eighth
He and Andrus would be a de facto 1-2 in front of Kinsler after the first time through the order. Sixth makes zero sense to me, though.
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jun 30, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
Wash would
probably love to hit him eighth except that would mean our catcher and 1B would move up in the order to 6th and 7th. Perish the thought.
I was a Ranger fan when being a Rangers fan wasn't cool.
Exactly my thoughts...
During the discussions yesterday.
Especially with Blalock, Davis, and Salty infront of him, he would be a de-facto lead-off man for most innings.
8th or 9th either way
is good — but sixth is freaking idiotic.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
hitting him leadoff would have been just as foolish yesterday
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
6th is way too pivotal to put Borbon in
Way too pivotal.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Bet he'd have hit 8th if Salty was in the lineup
I can understand viewing Salty as significantly better offensively than Teagarden, especially against a RH starter.
thats somewhat the problem/point
our manager decided that a guy who is either a 8-9 or a 1-2 hitter in a lineup was a better “middle of the order hitters” than davis and teagarden - if borbon really is a better middle of the order hitter, then our team is really really really in trouble
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
very much
“He probably will be one day when he establishes himself,” Washington said. “He can bunt. He can run. He can do a lot of things. We want to get him in there, get him comfortable and see what happens.”
when you have a guy who can run and bunt well, and can do a lot of things as your middle of the order hitter in his first MLB game…but isnt ready for leadoff, what does it say about your manager?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
It says that the manager doesn't have many good choices right now
The offense is a mess right now. I thought everyone was aware of this.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
it also says
that he’s a dumbass.
you dont further your problems to make up for shortcomings.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
here is a question
last year he hit davis 8 to protect him, right? even when davis was ripping the cover off of the ball
yet there is no need to protect a guy who is either a 1-2 or 8-9 hitter, and has 0 MLB at bats…
what does that say about our manager?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe this
Maybe this is the line of thinking. Hit Borbon in front of Tea and Davis and hopefully he can get on base and use his speed to disrupt the pitcher. maybe make the pitcher walk one of those two. Mayeb make the pitcher groove a pitch because hes paying so much attention to Borbon. Maybe Borbon steals a base and now a basehit scores a run. Maybe he steals 2nd and 3rd and a sac fly scores a run. Who knows.
Last year he hit Davis 8th not only to protect him but we also had a badass offense last year. This year, right now, our offense is comatose. Sometimes you have to think outside the box and maybe injecting some speed and life in front of struggling guys like Tea and Davis will get them started.
It didn’t work and I doubt we see it again. There really is no need to get so worked up over it today.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
agree to disagree.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
How is it furthering your problems?
If everyone’s going 0-4, why does it matter if Borbon is hitting 6th vs. 9th.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
your not putting him in a position in which he can do well
has he ever DHed before? probably not
has he ever hit sixth before? prbaboy not
this is the latest in a string of “helping” new players — see holland vs bases loaded and o’day in gabbard jersey
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think its hilarious you bitch about him DHing because he's never done it before
I believe he has had a good few ABs in the past. Guess what you do when you DH?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
its about putting him in a position to do well
how many MLB players have you ever heard say “i love DHing!”
we have one who has spoken out fairly loudly about NOT DHing (Hamilton) — therefore you take a guy who has never/very rarely DHed before, and you put him in a middle of the order position and expect him to do well?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You can keep crying about that not putting in a position to do well, but it just doesn't matter
If you want to try and put him in a position to do well, you hit him anywhere but leadoff and that’s all that matters. Otherwise, he’s still going up to the plate with a bat in his hands.
Hamilton has spoken out fairly loudly that he’ll do what the team asks him to do and won’t use anythign else as an excuse.
And the 6 spot is a middle of the order position? How many teams have their best mashers in the 6 spot?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
100%
If you want to try and put him in a position to do well, you hit him anywhere but leadoff and that’s all that matters. Otherwise, he’s still going up to the plate with a bat in his hands.
wrong, the mindset for hitting 1-2 or 8-9 is WAY different than hitting 3-4-5-6.
do you think there was any chance in hell that he came to the park thinking, im going to hit 6th tonight?
hamilton has also spoken out pretty loudly about how much he dislikes playing DH because he cant get into the flow of the game
and yes, the #6 spot in the order is a middle of the order position…would you support ellsbury, andrus or pierre hitting sixth?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
did you play baseball above tball?
the mental approach to different spots in the order are dramatic. #6 in an order puts a ton of pressure on a kid and puts him in a situation that he never shoulda been in. A “players coach” knows better unless he’s a complete and utter moron.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Unfortunately
right now, the entire lineup is acting like #9 hitters.
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Good lord the hyperbole is gertting ridiculous around here
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
If you can’t handle the number 6 spot in the lineup, you don’t deserve to hit in the Majors anytime soon.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
its the MINDSET behind hitting sixth vs hitting 9th
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Say it as many times as you want
It still doesn’t matter that much
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
sit on the bench for 4/5's of the game
doing your absolute best to stay mentally in the game?
remember when Raffy wouldnt play DH b/c it killed his game and stats backed it up? He was a vet, an AS vet, what do you think that does mentally to a rookies game in his first game in the majors, help? put him in his best position for success? help the team defensively, his immediate strength to the club whether he’s hitting or not?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
That was only cuz his ass was sore from the needles...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
yet hes good enough to hit sixth his first game ever?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
correct
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It's one game...
Is it REALLY all that big a deal that Wash slotted him in at 6?? After all, weren’t there a lot of people hitting “out of position” last night.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Oh
it’s the end of the universe, the earth is hurtling towards the sun as we type.
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do you think it brings forward questions about our managers aptitude
as you know, a manager
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
We've known for a very long time
that Washington is not a good strategist, this is nothing new.
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which makes it "ok" then?
no
would the rangers bring feliz up and start him vs the yankees @ NYS?
or bring him up and have his first start be @ the Angels?
no
would they bring up smoak, and then hit him, for his first AB in the bottom of the 9th, runner on 3rd and 2 outs for someone? no
you put YOUNG PLAYERS in positions to do well
RW has done the opposite of that this year at every turn
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Who said it was ok?
It’s not ok. It’s also most definitely not the end of the universe.
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its the difference in future success and future failure for all the prospects that JD has cultivated
if Wash cant help and risks hurting the cultivation, expedition and maximization of the potential of these youngsters he need to be fired right now. today
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
You are awesome
at hyperbole today. If Borbon DHs and hits 6th every game I’ll agree with your post. He won’t.
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what if he just hits 6th today?
or even better, wha if he hits 8th today
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
how can anyone think
that murphy hitting third and borbon hitting sixth is a good decision to make regarding a lineup?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Murphy has OPSed 881 against RHP since his 0-22 start
Hitting him 3rd is not a bad decision in this lineup
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yep, given the alternatives.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
murphy hits RHP well
your right — and thats not something i should really be bitching about, because he is probably a better #3 hitter vs RHP tham FOTF
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Weren't you one of those bitching for a lineup shuffle?
You got it, so STFU…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
i dont think i was
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is a better 3 hitter on this team than Murphy right now?
seriously…who?
Borbon batting 6th was certainly odd but it was also one fuckin game
i concede on the murphy 3 issue
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
How can anyone think it's a huge deal for one game????
In my most hyperbolic, stereotypical, voice…
“Turn off your computer, climb the basement stairs, and tell your folks hi”
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
i guess you missed the "he's playing LF today" thing then eh?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
because it is a PATTERN this year
of RW not putting (young) players in a position to do well
o’day with the whole gabbard jersey stuff
holland with bases loaded
borbon DHing and hitting sixth
warner madrigal july 2, 2008
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
All those were one time occurences
ODay was out of necessity
The Holland move was fine at the time until it started happening on a regular basis
Borbon will probably never hit 6th again. A one time thing
Madrigal was never put in that situation again and he has done pretty well since then
If stuff like this starts happening on a regular basis and young players are continually put in bad spots then there is a legit gripe. One game out of the course of a season or a career is hardly career suicide. I seriously doubt Borbon is gonna all of a sudden forget how to play CF or what his job as a leadoff man is because of last night. Just like I doubt ODay will ever be asked to arrive at a stadium 30 minutes prior to pitching and then be thrown into that type situation.
And what about his handling of Davis last year? he seemed to do alright last year. Or Elvis this year?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
and how did those end up?
o’day was brilliant after that
holland had by far his best run immediately after coming up
we don’t know on borbon yet, one 0-3 doesn’t mean anything.
madrigal had his best run as a ranger in the weeks following that quickly droping his era down.
it doesn’t effect anything!
the preceding post was a great success.
so because it worked out
it was the RIGHT decision? wrong!
so when wash leaves a RP in there for an extra inning after hes cooked and loads the bases with 0 outs, but gets out of the inning on a foul fly and a double play, its ok…because it worked
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
...sigh
Its evidence that it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t help them, it doesn’t hurt them.
You are the one making accusations of fault, why don’t YOU give any evidence it is actually wrong. The evidence doesn’t support that it hurts them, nor does logic. So for one particular inning or a couple at bats they had the slightest bit of extra pressure on them? So what!? So madrigal gave up some runs in a bad situation and didn’t succeed for one outing…… ok, he looked bad for one day. Anyone so fragile that that would hurt their future doesn’t have a mlb future in the first place.
And seriously, o’day had been in the league for over half a season, he can’t come into a game in extra innings with the game on the line? The game is ALWAYS on the line in extra innings and the lower pitchers always pitch in them. Wow a runner scored off him, who cares. Borbon struck out with the bases loaded… which could have just as easily happened in the 7th/8th spot. Who cares. etc., etc.
the preceding post was a great success.
leadoff
Bat Andrus or Borbon leadoff/9th depending on the pitcher. Move Kinsler down to 3rd.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Here's a better idea
bat Kinsler leadoff and put Borbon and Andrus 8 and 9.
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by t ball on Jun 30, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
thats a logical thing to do
RW is not a man who is guided by logic
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
this is the no brainer solution
that spoke for itself and every1 was so pissed about.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
quite a bit better
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
For the record, Brian Thomas
Your assertion that I “harass veterans” is complete bullshit.
I have a ton of respect for veterans, especially those who have seen combat.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Until and unless
they disagree with you about the Rangers front office, then you find ways to make personal attacks on them at every opportunity.
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the only one i have seen you harass is rodney
and rodney rarely talks about it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
sry i missed that BT
my bad
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
BT
You’re the one that came after me the first time when I happened to call benmor “chickenhawk” as in, the little shit that used to think he was tough guy who hung around Foghorn Leghorn.
You jumped in thinking the response was towards you (and political in nature)and made it a point that you spent 9 years in the military as though that gave you carte blanche on all arguments.
I wasn’t harasssing you and anything I said to you in the past had much more to do with you being an asshole than a veteran.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe "pussy" was the word you used
Obviously, you meant that as high praise.
My mistake.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
When
did I reference the word pussy and your military service?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
My bad, it wasn't "pussy"
It was “cowardly liberal puss.”
Next time the world needs a badass policeman
i say we tell them to go fuck themselves.
We got plenty of problems here on the homefront to keep us busy.
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 5, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And that is exactly
what a cowardly liberal puss would do
“Dying ain’t hard. It’s living that’s hard.”
by Josey Wales on Nov 5, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But meh, all this back and forth on the subject probably makes it seem like I give a fuck. Believe it or not, I don’t, and I doubt Rodney does, either. You are the one that can’t teach his pony another trick.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
BT
My interpretation and recollection is that I wasn’t calling you a “cowardly liberal puss.” I don’t remember all the give n take but I can’t imagine singling you out for that.
Don’t get me wrong, I think you’re an asshole and I’m very firm with that opinion but if you served for your country, you’re not a cowardly liberal puss.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
For the record once again, BT
I apologize if you think I called you a cowardly liberal puss because that was not my intention if that was your interpretation.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
Okay
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
And I don't harass veterans.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
By who?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Nov 5, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are claiming this quote as your ownm then you sir are a plaigerist. The actual and original quote was made by Ben Franklin. “Those who would sacifice liberty, for security, deserve neihter.”
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
What an oddball charge
Whatchoo talking about willis?
You’re on to me. I better add citations post haste or Matt Bush will slap a size large lawsuit on me for “plaigeristism.”
Take a look around you, man, do you really think everybody who has an unattributed signature is fronting like it spung majestically from their own fervently creative loins?
WE’RE ON THE INTERNET.
Most people here only assign a name to their quotes when it originates from an LSB poster. Part of the fun is figuring it out.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Ooh, I know this one.
Gary Coleman. Pay up, he could use the money.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
The funny thing is
His sig diligently cites spares I’ve never heard of…
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
if you were in the air force
then that was me.
j/k
no hard feelings about the air force heh
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
maybe a dick, but not a pussy
;)
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Navy
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
shoulda known.
were u a rear admiral? heh
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I was Phuket, Thailand's official navy social chairman
It was a dirty bidness, but I took one for the team.
That’s just how I roll.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
knockoutking
You do realize Rodney sent me a pm over at NMLR wanting to meet up after he got his widdle baseball feelings hurt, don’t you?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
and did you show up?
also, how long ago was tht?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't show up, I laughed at him.
I laugh at everybody too stupid to do anything else than fight when it comes to a baseball argument.
We’re gonna throw down because I say Donuts is a dumbass for trading Ichabod McCarthy for John Danks?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
danks for mccarthy has been talked about enough
no one foresaw mccarthy getting hurt this much
no one foresaw danks learning the cutter
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So I should have met Rodney
because his widdle feelings were hurt and he didn’t have any other bs?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
Wash on Borbon
Just don’t expect Borbon to sit on the bench. Washington said he wasn’t called up to sit and watch games.
“We had to get another guy up here, and he was the hottest hitter we had down there,” he said. “We certainly need some offensive help. We brought him up to see what he’s got to offer.”
So I guess Boggs (and his .405 obp at OKC) was called up to sit and watch games.
Yes, I know Boggs was 1 for 17 when he was here but he was never given any traction. He’d sit for several days and have to face Zito (who was great) or Haren.
The reason the Rangers scored the fewest runs in the AL during the month of June is because their obp was .282.
Bringing up Borbon and putting him in the line-up and then expecting success seems beyond foolish to me.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
Donuts -
None of these pitchers facing us with great lines have been great during June. The offense has simply been so bad that these guys look great.
Barry Zito in June (this obviously includes the Rangers BS game): 5 starts, 20.2 IP, 6.1 ERA, .277/.368/.446 opposing line, 23 hits, 11 Walks, 1.66 WHIP.
That sort of sucks.
Take out the Texas game and his June WHIP is 1.76. That really sucks.
Point is, Barry isn’t that good. Our lineup is just that bad.
by FuturePants on Jun 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
July 2nd -- LA Signings
does anyone have a list of possible or hopeful signs for the Rangers.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
There is a thread over at Sickles
I will have a July 2 preview up no later than, well, the morning of July 2, but more likely tomorrow night
Twitter updates from Jorge Arangure today
jorgearangureTeams in on Colombian P Jhonathan Escudero include #Rays, #Mets, and #Rangers
jorgearangureTeams in hunt for Colombian OF Leonardo Fuentes are #Yankees, #Giants, #Braves, #Rangers, #Rays, and #Mets
Then of course there’s Jurickson Profar as a SS and the ongoing Guillermo Pimentel saga, which has been quiet here recently.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
What to do?
What should the Rangers do to get this offense going? Do they make a trade and make a run at the division this year or do they wait it out since 2010 was the target year before they made strides this year?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Get more players in the line-up
who get on base more often.
It’s very, very simple and the plan they implemented after Josh went down with an injury was cloaked in complete failure.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Alright well then who do they get Josey?
Names I want names damn it! lol
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Im gonna answer for Josey here
Boggs, Teagarden, Blalock
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Damnit why did it do that
I was gonna answer for Josey and say Boggs, Teagarden, and Blalock
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Wait
Blalock and his .283 OPB is a player that “get[s] on base more often?”
More often than who? My sister?
by FuturePants on Jun 30, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Im just saying what Josey would say
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Even Donuts doesn't think that Blalock is an example of a player that gets on base.
Surely?
by FuturePants on Jun 30, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
You haven't been around much lately have you?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
No, I have.
Just because Donuts advocates playing Blalock over Davis doesn’t mean Donuts believes Blalock gets on base.
I’ve been around; maybe I’m the only one that actually reads Josey Donuts?
by FuturePants on Jun 30, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Josey believes Hank should be playing everyday
So I would assume then that he thinks Hank gets on base enough to help this club
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That's stretching it.
Josey believes Hank should be playing over Davis every day due to the increase from Davis’ .260 to Blalock’s .290 OBP.
If you’re gonna be demanding of his answers, you gotta atleast represent and argue against his points accurately.
Josey also, for right or for wrong, thinks that Blalock will be regressing back to his mean line which is a much less painful .333 OBP sooner than Davis will figure himself out at the ML level. (This is an extrapolation on my part)
Look
I am not agreeing with Josey. Nor am I gonna argue this topic right now. I fully understand his position that he wants Hank to play ahead of Davis. I was merely stating who Josey would have said regardless of the reasoning behind it to the original question of “who should we get in the lineup that gets on base”
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Let's talk about the offense & line-up
Could there be a worse strategy than the one Wash used in June and did he do a good job of getting the most he could out of his players?
I heard on The Ticket this was the worst offensive month this team has had in their history since September ’72,
That team had a batting average of .217 for the season and I think they lost 105 games.
So the answer to the two above questions is a resounding no.
We know the lying sack of shit owner isn’t going to spend any money to bring on salary so we know any and all improvement must come internally.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Like I said im not going to get into a huge argument on this right now
But I will say that inserting Blalock at 1B instead of Davis is not going to make this club all of a sudden a .300 hitting team again. There are more holes than just the one at 1B. Thats the one you seem to focus on and really your plan to fix it isn’t that bad but you seem to think that by fixing 1B, and really its a very minor fix, that the entire offense will be fixed.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
As far as overall team runs
I’d bet that the difference between Blalock and Davis probably isn’t that much. Improved defense against slightly better production.
What do voluntary mean?
I agree with you.
They should have let Hack Blalock walk last off-season and used the money to sign Bobby Abreu.
here's a stupid trade idea and feel free to say so,
Milton Bradley isn’t playing well in Chicago, Hank Blalock isn’t playing well here, would you be willing to send Blalock and Padillia to Chicago in exchange for Bradley who had a pretty good year here while working with Jaramillio?
Don't bring opinions to a fact check debate.
MB didn't work
much with Rudy last year. Rudy missed a considerable amount of time due to knee surgery.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
He missed about a month and a half.
He was here most of the year.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Take that back!!
FIRE RUDY NOWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 30, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd take MB back in a heartbeat.
I just don’t wanna give up Padilla. But I understand why you threw him in for salary purposes.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
yeah...
i figured we’d have to move a salary to get a salary since TH doesn’t want to add payroll
Don't bring opinions to a fact check debate.
Wouldn't we be giving up $18 million (Padilla ~$12M, Blalock $6M) and taking back $10M?
That’s quite the savings. Wouldn’t MLB make us send Chicago cash to cover some of that?
No
Thats what happens every year when a team trades away a veteran for prospects
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It doesn't have to match for MLB,
just for Hicks.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
A bit off on those numbers.
Bradley is only making 5 million this year, 9 million next year, and he has a 12 million dollar option that vests if he plays 75 games this year. Potentially, it would be a 26 million dollar deal for Bradley.
Its tough to see
why we should expect to get any kind of boost from our farm this midseason.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Well, we shouldn't really
expect it any season. We should expect callups to struggle and be inconsistent for a while unless they just get on a real roll.
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Yep.
Callups should be called up when we are out of it or have enough other bats to cover the callup. They shouldn’t be viewed as a way to upgrade the lineup.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Call-ups can upgrade a roster
but those are pretty rare instances.
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jun 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
And of course, we're all hoping
Feliz might be such an instance.
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Minor league callups
for starters in mid season are normally viewed as the organization raising the white flag by players, aren’t they?
I know players usually view trading prospects for vets as the org playing to win, and the org bringing up rookies as raising the white flag.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
The cases I'm talking about
are, like, Papelbon, Lester, Delcarmen, Masterson, Buchholz, Joba, Price and then very rare positional guys like Braun, Longoria, Wieters, where you actually do have a chance for an upgrade.
If we were talking about one general rule, sure, call-ups tend to be moves for teams either out of the race or somewhat desperately filling holes.
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jun 30, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
there you go again
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I hate that shit, too.
Longhorn 2.0 … wake me when it’s over.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
next 5 SP
Saunders, Weaver, Kazmir, Price, Niemann to finish out the homestand. Will the Rangers even score 10 runs?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
My magic 8 ball said not likely.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
"outlook does not look good"
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
what does rons gut say?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Completely agree with Reeves about Borbon.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Exactly why do you agree with Reeves about Borbon?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
What difference does it make
if Borbon hits 1st, 6th or 9th in the lineup for his debut? He didn’t come up and sit. As usual, Reeves has found something to bitch about that’s not worth bitching about.
by twinkilling on Jun 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
so it was ok to have him hitting sixth and DHing?
brillant!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
If it happens again then no its not ok
But for last night it didn’t make a difference in the game. Its just not something worth bitching about anymore
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yes
What the hell does it matter where a rookie hits in his first game?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
its putting him in a situation to do well
thats not a situation to do well, if hes a hot hitter, then hit him 2nd
this part is for big steve, but its more the mindset that he was hitting sixth at all, in any situation — the fact that he DHed was at least somewhat defensible, i disagree, but wahtever — but its the fact that he was put in a position not to do well (hes the same kind of hitter as andrus, and if andrus started off the year hitting sixth ppl would have had a fit) — you wouldnt hit hamilton 8th nor would you (right now) hit davis 4th — its the fact that we have a manager, to whom hitting a guy who is either a 1-2 hitter or an 8-9 hitter in the middle of the order, makes sense.
no one would ever hit andrus, ellsbury, pierre, etc in the six hole, but for some reason our manager decided that it was an ok move to make…its not as huge of a deal that he happened to hit sixth as it is the fact that the manager thought that a) it was putting him in a position to do well (when he has never hit sixth, as far as i know ever as a pro or in college) — totally different mindset b) thought it was ok to hit a guy who is a top or bottom of the order hitter in the middle and c) even when playerS (FOTF) say that the batting order needs energy and his former managers (see the top post) say that he is a guy that brings energy to the order is hitting in the middle of it. energy does not = power
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand this thinking that he was not put in a position to do well
How was he put in a position to fail is my response to that? With the guys we had hitting 7th, 8th, and 9th how was he put in a position to fail? If you get guys on base is there really that big a difference in the probability that Borbon can get a hit compared to Davis, Teagarden, or Elvis right now?
Again I wouldn’t have done it personally but given the guys in our lineup last night it really made little difference. Both before the game and after the game.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
if you hithim in the bottom of the lineup you take some of the pressure off of him
last night’s lineup was an absolute clusterfuck — if your going to have borbon, a “hot hitter” who can “bunt well” and “run well” up, you should have hit him 2nd, young/murph 3rd, byrd 4th, cruz 5th and young/murph 6th
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah hit him 2nd
Then when he goes 0-4 you can blast the manager for hitting a guy in his first ML game 2nd. Or hit him 9th so instead of Borbon striking out with the bases loaded we can see Teagarden strike out or pop up.
Face it this lineup and offense sucks shit right now. Borbon hitting 6th for one game is the least of our worries. You really shouldn’t get this riled up about it until it starts happening more than once when you can then say its a trend not an anomoly
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
your missing my point
the point is that somehow it became “ok” for him to be put in the #6 hole in the first place — its a decision that our manager thought was a good one — THATS where the main problem lies
and its even funnier after the whole “must bat davis in the 8 hole” last year — because that also made sense to him
how do you have a manager who hits chris davis, who is producing, in the 8 hole to “protect” him even when he is doing well (last year obviously) yet the same manager decides that a guy who profiles as a 1-2 or 8-9 hitter is good enough to hit 6th and doesent need to be protected? how does that make ANY sense?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Borbon is a much better contact hitter
than Davis, so for me on one level at least that logic makes some sense. Just like the cries of “free Laird!” don’t seem as smart now, maybe, just maybe Wash is not completely batshit insane. We all thought Buck was insane for using Laird the way he did, and for basically platooning Blalock, and he turned out to be right.
No, Borbon should not bat 6th, but for one game, in the midst of a horrific slump, Borbon is not a worse #6 hitter right now than the other options. Of course he shouldn’t have hit there, but everyone has been crying for weeks now for the team to DO SOMETHING, shake up the lineup. Now, Wash tries something unorthodox and everyone freaks out. Everyone should go use a lineup tool and notice how tiny a difference in runs projected these kinds of changes actually mean.
It’s one game, I’m over it.
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Borbon was 0 for 3
with two K’s.
He was one of the worst choices for the 6 hole in all of organized baseball based on results.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
what about his results coming into this game?
dont they just SCREAM #6 hitter JW? /sarcasm
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He was a bad choice
before the game and after, as I’ve said. I hope Wash is not just throwing his hands up in the air because everyone sucks right now.
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tball
The dirty little secret is that Wash really doesn’t know better.
Remember how he treated The Sosa?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not a secret at all.
I think we’ve been discussing Wash’s strategy weaknesses since maybe his first week on the job. This thread is full of people acting like they need to announce it to the world as if it’s news.
But it hardly even matters. No one on the team is hitting. He could have had Mike Maddux hit 4th last night and I’m not sure the team is any worse off. They suck at hitting right now.
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"strategy weaknesses"
Nice way of saying he’s not very smart?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I've said before
many times Wash isn’t very smart, again, this is not news. He’s good at managing people, not game strategy. We all know this and have discussed it here ad nauseum. He has done a better job with the bullpen this year (3rd in WPA right now), leveraging them fairly well.
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And how do you know that he's not smart at game strategy?
Let’s see the skins on your wall that enables you to make that judgement.
his on field decisions
make me think hes not very good at in game strategy
in fact, what makes you think hes IS good at in game strategy? the fact that he was hired?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
i never claimed to be a good expert
your jumping to the same conclusion:
if he was hired,
then he must be good @ in game strategy?
bad logic
same thing with me:
if i dont think that RW is good at in game strategy,
i must be be an expert at in game strategy?
no — bad logic
if thats the case, what gives anyone a right to bash any political figure on something? they are not an expert
clearly no one should ever say another word about chris davis — they are not a swing/baseball expert
no one can say anything else about JD — they are not baseball management experts
correct?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said it was good, bad or indifferent.
You stated, though, that his on field decisions make you think that he’s not very good at in game strategy.
How do you know?
Sure, I think it’s very possible to rip JD based on a bad trade or hurrah him for a good one because it’s pretty obvious.
Pretty obvious
What makes you an expert at that?
I think you’re throwing a bit out there, but just in case you should realize that everything said here is an opinion, and no one here is an expert.
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there really isnt much to do to shake up the lineup
other than move kinsler down
your not going to have byrd or cruz turn into a #2 hitter — your not going to have murphy suddenly hitting 40 HR and being a 3 or 4 hitter. most of the guys you have right now are pretty much what they are going to be. FOTF isnt going to develop 40 SB speed
if your not going to move kinsler from leadoff, there really isnt much you can do other than to flip flop young between 2 and 3 (since you wont move him to six), to hit cruz in 4-5-6, to hit byrd in 4-5-6, to hit salty/davis/blalock/AJ in the 4-5-6-7 spots, to hit andrus 8th or 9th
your limited with whaat you can do
im upset because its the mindset that your bputting him in a position to do well — and that its the 3rd player (4th if you count boggs) that has been placed in a bad situation to start off this year (and in 3 of the players thier rangers career) — this will continue — would ppl be bitching if the rangers suddenly called up vallejo and had him play first base and hit 4th?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
days like this separate the guys who played ball with those that never got to pony league
the inability to mentally put themselves in lineup situations and honestly evaluate shows badly in threads like this.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
to say that no matter where you hit its the same mindset is foolish
by that reasoning, then we can hit davis 1st or 2nd whil ehe tries to break out of this slump because it doesnt matter if he hits 1st or 8th
last year, when RW was protecting him, it didndt matter, because 8th or 4th are exactly the same
THEY ARE NOT.
there was a whole series (LSJ has talked about it recently) about what positions are the most important to a lineup, they are not all equal people
to say that hitting leadoff in a game or 8th in a game is the same mindset as hitting 4-5-6 is foolish
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this the part where you regale us all with that inside-the-parker you hit in Junior Varsity?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there are many here
who haven’t played ball, but by all means school everyone, Ted Williams.
You are only the 6th batter the first time through the lineup. Yes, the mentality is different for most players, but when you’re up there and the bases are loaded with two outs you’re not thinking about where you are in the lineup anymore. You’re feeling pressure no matter what spot you are, especially if it’s your first day on the team.
You’re right, but you’re overstressing the importance of that mentality.
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ron washington quote
We had to get another guy up here, and he was the hottest hitter we had down there," he said. “We certainly need some offensive help. We brought him up to see what he’s got to offer.”
Borbon, 23, was hitting .298 with two homers and 28 RBI in 71 games for the RedHawks. He had 19 stolen bases.
Borbon, who bats left-handed, was the designated hitter Monday, but Washington said Borbon could start in left field today. He was the leadoff hitter for Oklahoma City but isn’t ready for that role with the Rangers, Washington said.
“He probably will be one day when he establishes himself,” Washington said. “He can bunt. He can run. He can do a lot of things. We want to get him in there, get him comfortable and see what happens.”
so lets get this straight, borbon (who is hitting ~.300, and avg less than an RBI a game and is NOT ready to be the rangers leadoff hitter, but is good at bunting and running — so while hes not currently ok to be the leadoff hitter, he is ok to be a middle of the order hitter for the rangers?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
With our players right now
We are going to have a bad hitter in the “middle of our order”. Last night it was Borbon. Tonight it may be Salty or Davis.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
except that
salty or davis may actually profile, as a “middle of the order” hitter and actually have a future of maybe hitting in the middle of the order borbon does not (unless he gets on the clear and the cream lol)
i would rather see salty or davis as a #6 hitter 100 out of 100 times than see borbon or pierre or andrus or ellsbury there
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ man it was one game
If that line drive in the first had been fair it still would have been a dumb lineup move but you wouldn’t be bitching about it this much today. Let it go man.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
so if RW hits him 9th tonight
what was the reasoning to hit him 6th yesterday?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Only Wash knows
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
heh
OnlyWashthe gut knows
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Somebody needs to say it...
Wash did it because he’s a fucking idiot and then went running to Hank to save his ass in the 8th inning.
Sure that played real well in the room.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I could use a couple shots of 'Borbon' myself
after watching the way this team has played for the past month
Chain of Command issues?
Who in the hell is “in controll” of this mess? Nolan blasts the players regarding their approach at the plate while Wash constantly states “dat jus be da way baseball goes” JD calls up Borbon, refuses to send down Crush, all the while Hicks is out trying to find the highest bidder.
This thing seems to have huge chain of command issues. Wash is the Mgr and yet seems to have a diametrically opposed hitting philosophy to the clubs hitting coach. JD calls up a light hitting AAA player only for Wash to put him in the 6 hole. Ron must have been really eager to manage a big club, seeing as how he was willing to undergo castration to land the gig. Wash ought to walk out on this mess. He will be made to pay for the mistakes of others. These aren’t Wash’s players, hell these aren’t even Wash’s coaches. A complete and utter Mgmt failure.
whatever….
Adam Lambert is indeed a rock god,so suck it.
by red shoe ranger on Jun 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions
Who do you want to take Davis' place?
Smoak? Do you think he is ready? I agree Davis is sucking the life out of the ballpark right now but what other option is there?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
When Hamilton comes off the DL
I’m for sending Davis down, putting Hank at first, releasing Andruw Jones and DH’ing Hamilton.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
Hank isn't the answer
Not to mention he is hitting like dog shit himself.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
No, but it clears the DH spot for Hamilton
Which I think could be pretty important with him coming off the DL ahead of schedule again. If there’s to be any hope at all for Hamilton to come swooping in to save this offense, I think keeping him healthy is more important than continuing to wait for Davis to turn things around.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
totally agree on Hamilton
As for Davis, there just isn’t a good replacement for him. If there was, JD would have already done it.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Hey, if I thought they could release Hank I'd have said do that
But unfortunately, they’re paying him too much to cut him. It’s kind of become another Catalanotto situation.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
hank may snap out of it
but the money is already spent, you should cut AJ before you cut hank
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
yes I've seen about enough of the AJ experiment myself
"You're going to love my nuts"
Vince from slap chop
You've
sent down 1 player
released 1 player
taken 1 player off the DL.
You still need to add 1 more player to make this make any sense.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Eh, just pull a 25th man out of AAA
Somebody who can play some first base against lefties.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
Why not
just not release Andruw and just make him your pinerider. Doesn’t make much sense to me to pull someone up from AAA to just ride pine.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Because you need somebody to relieve Hank against lefties at first
Royce Huffman looks like a good candidate for that, he’s crushing PCL lefties right now.
Jones can neither hit lefties nor play first base.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
hate to break it to you
but i dont know of any people (other than buck) who had “their own players” and are the teams de facto GM
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
No chain of command issues
You just disagree with the choices they made. Because you don’t like what they’ve done does not mean they are disagreeing or not communicating.
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Pitchers must foam at the mouth
and walk around with an erection all day when they know they’ll be facing this lineup.
No, that's just Josey, knowing he'll have something to bitch about after the game.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
I hate the "Will a trade wake this lineup up?"
“Will a lineup re-structuring work?”
“Will a call-up work?”
Here’s what will work: A new fucking approach at the plate. That is the only problem, really. This team makes far too little contact to be swinging so damn much. It’s infuriating.
Maybe Rudy needs another surgery.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Somebody
bash his knees in with a baseball bat.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
there is a balls joke here somewhere
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
"somebody bash his knees in w/ a baseball bat"
Not sure I trust anyone on this team to make contact.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
All Rudy would have to do is
move low and outside.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Or change speeds
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
or just stand there...they'd still miss
"You're going to love my nuts"
Vince from slap chop
by BigGuns on Jun 30, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the problems is when they swing at strikes
They don’t make alot of contact so the theory that they should watch more pitches to get better ones doesn’t float very well.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The bigger problem is when they hack away at balls well out of the zone.
If they would watch more of those pitches go for balls, they’d get more strikes to hit. I think that floats just fine. They’ll have a lot more luck swinging at strikes than they’ve had swinging at crap.
Somebody posted the numbers recently
But we have swung and missed at an incredible amount of balls in the strike zone.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
This is the crux of the matter for me...
They are doing a poor job of deciding if a pitch is a good one to hit. They seem (to me, at least) to go up there looking dead red on pitch one, and if the pitch LOOKS like a fastball they swing. The number of swings and misses on pitch one concerns me more than the balls put in play on the first pitch. If I’m pitching against them, I’m throwing a slider or change on the first pitch 75% of the time – they seem to always read it as a fastball and swing through it.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
It floats...
They may miss a lot of pitches inside the zone, but they swing at a LOT of crap too.
It seems as though the hitters don’t care what the count is. They decided before the next pitch is thrown as to whether they will swing or not. I hate the phrase “lost at the plate”, but it seems as though this lineup really have no idea what’s going on up there.
I don’t know whether that’s a mental thing, as Rudy suggests, or if it’s Rudy’s approach not fitting with this lineup.
Im not denying that they don't swing at crap
But they also swing and miss alot of strikes also which means simply watching pitches to get deeper into counts isn’t gonna all of a sudden turn this thing around.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Who was it
that had a date at the ballpark and wanted to be on the kiss cam? Was that last night, and who was it? did it work?
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
im wondering this as well
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
x
It can work quite well.
It helps that I get kickass seats through my firm (just above the first base dugout), so the combination of great seats + hot girl + kiss cam = happy cstorm
by cstorm15 on Jun 29, 2009 1:03 PM CDT
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
cstorm
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
New Approach
I’m very frustrated with how badly this lineup is embarrasing itself at the plate. So, here is what I say:
Starting today, each hitter is mandated to take the first two pitches. If you are up 2-0, you keep taking. If you’re down 0-2, you have a green light to swing. If you go 1-1, it’s a case-by-case analysis for green light (ex: Murphy can swing. Jones/Byrd/Blalock cannot). If this team sat there and took every single pitch for a game, they may get on base more often.
(Do I honestly think this is the answer? No, so calm down.)
Borbon in LF is most disappointing to me...
But not surprising. As some of us speculated last night, there’s no way in hell that Warsh moves his boy Byrd out of CF.
Yep.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
Washington's gut ranks
Byrd as the second best CF in baseball behind Torii Hunter.
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jun 30, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Byrd sucks ass out in CF. Give me Borbon out there damnit!
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jun 30, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Lewin called Byrd's defence in CF "Casual elegance" last night....
I laughed. He’s not terrible, but c’mon.
Then JD...
needs to deal Byrd. He’s not part of this teams future and I’m tired of him hacking at everything.
Guys like Byrd, Blalock, and Jones shouldn’t be taking AB’s away from the kids if/when they are ready to come up. Wash’s job is now safe for next year and he needs to be on the same page as the rest of the organization with what they are trying to build here.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Deal him to who? For what?
He is a serious suck right now.
by FuturePants on Jun 30, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Does it really matter...
to who and for what?
The guy is hitting .280 with a bunch of doubles and can play all 3 OF positions. He’s also a good clubhouse guy. Someone would take him. He’s not a horrible player. He just doesn’t fit in with this team long term.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Yeah, it matters.
We don’t need another DH, and from the way you paint him, why not just hang on to him for the balance of the season? You won’t get much anyways.
by FuturePants on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
If he wasn't potentially blocking anybody then fine
But as it stands right now when Hamilton comes back we will have Cruz who should be getting just about everyday playing time, Murphy who should play against all RHP and I don’t mind against some LHP, and Borbon who should play everyday if you are gonna call him up. There are three OFs and your DH. If you are fine sitting Byrd on the bench then you can keep him but I can almost guarantee Wash won’t sit Byrd.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Now we have gone...
full circle.
Because Wash insists on playing him everyday. That is why I suggested moving him in the earlier post.
The OF from here on out should be Hamilton/Borbon/Cruz.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Good hell...
all this Murphy love makes me ill sometimes.
I understand he’s been hitting well lately. He can play in the OF a couple times a week and DH the rest of the time again RH pitchers. I understand with as bad as this offense has been that you don’t want to lose his bat right now. However he isn’t going to hit like he has recently all year. Like Byrd, Murphy is a 4th OFer. Deal with it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Hes OPSed 881 against RHP since his 0-22 start to the season
Thats in almost 120 ABs (140 PAs) so its not exactly a small sample. Murphy should not sit the bench against any RHP right now
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
thank you!
Like Boomer says..he’s our best hitter right now.
"You're going to love my nuts"
Vince from slap chop
would you trade him for a jo-jo reyes?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh and...
I saw that the Mets may be looking for an OFer.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
The good news there is
Ron Washington’s gut and Jerry Manuel’s gut are good friends.
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you also...
may be in tune with Wash’s gut right now Z.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Yes, but do they have butt-lightning?
I thinks not.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
They have gut-lightning
just thunder by the time it gets to the butt.
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I'm getting tired of watching Byrd play everyday
He’s just not as good in CF this season and really needs to go back to only hitting part time.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
whoa
where did you see that Borbon is going to be in LF?
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
Click the Andro link and read.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
Whoops
Read the end of the section on Borbon.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
Hell if we're going to play Borbon in LF and bat him 6th
…might as well put Vizquel at 1b and bat him cleanup. Actually, that might be an improvement.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
You're not kidding.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jun 30, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
That's possible
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jun 30, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
My guess is that he’s better than that, but I don’t think that it’s unreasonable to think that he could grade out around that, given certain circumstances. I would put Borbon in CF, but I’ve maintained since last summer that he still needs a little work before he’s the vacuum that folks picture. There have been reports of lapses in OKC.
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
His plus-minus
numbers are better than that, though. Yesterday, Joey posted at BBTiA that his UZR was 1.1, and the +/ was +2. Arlington has a big LF, I’m fine with Borbon playing there occasionally.
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if long term your goal is to have borbon in CF
then why do you even screw with him in LF?
long term, hes not going to play in LF very often, if ever, as a ranger.meanwhile byrd has played LF before, in this park and isnt playing that well in CF. if your going to have those 2 in the OF for the next few weeks, why would you make borbon leearn a new position in a new park when hes probably not going to ever play it consistantly at the major league level?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You're really overthinking that
Arlington has a big LF, you already have a guy they like in CF they apparently don’t want to move, he’s a rookie, where’s the big mystery? This is hardly the first time a rookies outfielder has played a different outfield position. I am dying to see what he’s got in CF, but I’m really not in a panic over it.
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You bring up a hot shot CF prospect
and stick him in left field for a mediocre fielding journeyman OF. Brilliant!
What do voluntary mean?
you put players in a position to do well
in a position where they are confortable
in a position where they will help the team the most
how does making borborn learn a new position at the major league level, a position he is unlikely to play for this team after this year, help him or help the team — especially when you have a player who has played LF in this park and long term is not the teams CF of the future?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I don't
Wash does, but I hardly think it’s a terrible, horrible, world-ending disaster. LF is an important defensive position in Arlington compared to most parks. Maybe they want him to get his feet wet there first. I don’t know, but I’m not going to lose sleep over it unless he only plays there.
We are the kings of pre-emptive worry here.
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why would he play there only part time
thats even fucking more redic than him playing LF FULL time
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
Outfielders shift position a lot. On every team, including the Rangers. Yes, I want him to play CF, and now, but again, I’m just not ready to lose sleep over it. This is like the panic over putting Feliz in the bullpen.
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no
good outfielders do not shift position a lot. guys like murphy and byrd and boggs shift position a lot.
guys like ichiro and hamilton are exceptions to the rule…did bonds play a lot of LF and RF his last 8 or so years?
do the indians play sizemore in RF from time to time?
what about the red sox with bay?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe in little league
in the pros on teams trying to make the playoffs, you dont see abreau in LF one day, RF the next. Bernie Williams in yankess prime, screw it, he’s in LF today. Kenny Lofton brought up, bah, stick in in RF, he can play LF tomorrow CF the next day.
it doesnt fucking happen.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Oh, come on
there is a huge difference between Bernie Williams in his prime and Byrd, and an even bigger one with Borbon in his 2nd game. It does fucking happen. Every day.
Actually your posts makes the argument that they should not move Byrd, since he’s the veteran.
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none of those players were rotatiing from position to position as rookie
they were CFer’s from day one. bernie never scooted over to LF, Lofton his rookie season wasnt RF one day LF the next.
it never fucking happened. they were brought up. put into a place the teams had a long term vision towards their success and turned lose. both were put in in place of veterans.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Borbon
is not Bernie Williams or Kenny Lofton. Look, I’m not defending the move, I’m just saying it’s not worth angst and panic. And I’m a bit of a Borbon skeptic, so maybe I’m less likely to be upset if he’s not just installed in CF. I’m hopeful about his talents, but still a bit skeptical. I would most certainly not compare him to Williams or Lofton yet. At this point he’s Ellsbury to me, and will hopefully be better than that, because Ellsbury isn’t all that great.
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Yeah,
I can definitely see him as an Ellsbury comp.
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so if hes ellsbury
1) is it smart to make him learn another OF position right now?
2) is it smart to DH him?
no and no
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
elsebury had to spend half a season in LF though so Coco could gain trade value
and Manny could wank off or whatever he does when he wasnt in LF
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I think its more of trying to put the best defense on the field
If scouting reports are right, at this point, Borbon is the best CF we have on this roster. So playing him in LF doesn’t make sense for trying to put the best team on the field.
What do voluntary mean?
equally
having him learn a new position on the fly isnt good for a players devleopment
see salty, jarod with the braves and 1B
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Now see I agree with you on this
We didn’t bring Borbon up to be a utility OF. We brought him up because he has been billed as our “CF of the future” pretty much since he was drafted and given a ML deal.
The only explanation that would satisfy me is if it had something to do with the background at TBiA being difficult to learn on the fly and LF is easier but everything I have ever heard is that LF (the sun field) is harder. So this doesn’t make any sense to me and I wish they would play Borbon in CF
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
they NEED to play borbon in CF
if he is up
its the only logical thing to do
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
On using Borbon
Most managers hit and play their rookies carefully, I don’t see why everyone is having a fit. If they want him to play a little LF right now, so what? Hitting leadoff right now is stupid for a guy who just came up yesterday.
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hitting leadoff is stupid
how many games has borbon played in LF as a professional? what aobut in college?
yet another situaiton where you are putting a guy in a position to do his best, right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Before last season, how many games had Boggs played in LF?
He ended up ranking as one of the league’s top LFs by plus/minus in his limited time out there.
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-The Outlaw
that said
boggs is a guy who has been known as a defensive whiz, and who profiles as a 4th OF —a nd who would need to play all 3 positions in the OF to stay on a team, right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Borbon is a guy who has been known as a defensive whiz
And if he can’t hit because he’s been put in the 6 spot, then he should probably get used to being considered a 4th OF too.
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so why are you having a guy who draws a lot of his value
from defense DHing in the first place?
would a team DH scutaro? boggs? andrus? vizquel? the wizard (smith)?
no
but for some reason we have a guy who brings value to the team by playing defense…not playing defense?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
This is an even bigger question to me
than why he hit 6th. If he’s going to play, get him in the field.
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For one game!!!!!
Its just one game. He was called up earlier that day. I don’t see anything wrong with DHing him for one game. If you want to talk about how you’re worried that he’s always going to DH, that’s something else. But for one game, its absolutely meaningless to bitch about.
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so if the rangers DH vizquel its ok
because its just one game, right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
For one game, I wouldn't bitch about a single player on the team DHing
And if there was a reason behind DHing Vizquel in that game, then I could definitely live with it for that one game instead of making 1000 posts within 12 hours on how the world is ending.
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-The Outlaw
what is one reason to DH vizquel in any situation
other than if you only have 9 position players on your roster?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
That might actually be something good to try with how things have been going
Or why not have Davis play 1B defense, have Blalock DH for him and have the pitcher bat? THAT would be a real shake-up and it’s not like we’d have worse production from our lineup that way.
Jamey is reporting that Borbon is now the full-time DH
Wash doesn’t think his glove will play.
Plans to revisit the issue in 2012.
FYI.
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by Brian Thomas on Jun 30, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Borbon to CF
It’ll happen sooner than folks think.
Starting Borbon out in LF is pro forma: respect the veteran, and later he’ll be gracious about his ass getting penciled into COF, while Coolio takes the keys to CF.
I’m looking forward to Cruz – Borbon – Hamilton OF, with Murphy the 4th.
Should Byrd be this team’s DH? Can’t he do that, and provide OF depth, better than Andruw?
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by hightowersmith on Jun 30, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
DH Hamilton
can’t afford for him to get hurt playing the OF
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Maybe that (Hamilton DHing)
is the plan for a while which explains why Blalock sat out last night and was treated like shit in June.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
"treated like shit in June"
Doesn’t it say alot about Blalock that he can’t take the job of a guy barely hitting above .200 and striking out about half of his ABs?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
The heavy platoon for Blalock came in June.
Of course he also got to face Danny Haren (while Crush sat and faced JGarland the next night).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
interleague play came in June also
And Blalock did nothing in April and May to take CD’s job.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Let's look at May, Ranger Mad
Blalock .250/.308/.548 (.855 OPS)
“Crush” .189/.238/.442/ (.688 OPS)
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets look at june
A slightly more relevant thing to how the two are playing now. Neither are good, but Davis is slightly better, and is definitely trending upward over the last week.
What do voluntary mean?
OK, Josey
I will ignore Hank’s defense and concede the point to you.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Was Blalock's defense at 1B bad in June?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
Hanks career
UZR/150 is 7.2 at 1B. And I seriously doubt he has a much better +/ number.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
gotta watch those
minus signs when typing a post :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
or are you just saying
that his UZR/150 is a number? :)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
In some cases it is a real number, others a whole number and yet others may have an imaginary number.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
i want to see someone with a UZR of
either π or ∞ lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe that (Hamilton DHing)
is the plan for a while which explains why Blalock sat out last night and was treated like shit in June.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Scoop
Do you believe Blalock was put in the best place to be successful during the month of June?
From May 21 to June 5, Blalock’s ave/ obp went from .236/.268 (which is really bad) to .259/.301 (mediocre but showing nice improvement).
And then here comes the platoon situation. Plays a little bit and then sits. Goes 2 for 4 on Friday with a walk and sac fly (with a homer), has a couple of bad games (as does the entire team) so he sits for a fucking rookie when the team is going against an en fuego Angel team that just overtook the Rangers.
Blalock has not been good this year but the manager could not have used a worse strategy than the strategy he used in the month of June.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
by Josey Wales on Jun 30, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Platooning
is exactly the best situation for Blalock, he sucks at hitting lefties. Wash is dumb, but the way he’s using Blalock is not proof of it. Actually it’s one of the few things he does right most of the time.
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I don't think he can be successful at any place
with his approach. It’s just awful, I’d rather watch CD and hope he reverts to last year, than to watch Blalock just completely swing out of his shoes every AB. It’s frustrating, you know what kind of hitter he was coming up. Does it not frustrate the hell out of you to watch him at the plate?
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
Yes, it frustrates me
but I also know he’s not going to respond well to platooning either.
When he started coming out of it in late May, the platoon system dropped down on him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
The platoon system
is his only hope of not being overexposed against lefties.
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This team has an obp of .312 v leftys
“Crush” is hitting .153 v leftys with a .524 OPS in 76 plate appearances.
Blalock is hitting .200 v leftys with a .578 OPS in 55 plate appearances.
So how exactly is this “platoon system” making the team better?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
Neither of them make the team better against lefties
a .050 point increase in OPS for Blalock is mitigated by Davis’ defense. Neither of them should play against LHP but since you can’t sit both there isn’t a wrong answer as to who does play
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
bigsteve
The current strategy does not work!!!!
I can’t imagine a worse strategy to choose (based on results of June) than the current strategy (including the choice to play Davis over Blalock because of his “defense.”)
Davis is good at 1B but he’s not Mattingly or KHernandez and he sure as F is not going to win the Gold Glove this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
I agree Davis sucks right now
But your boy Blalock isn’t much better. And even if we did replace Davis with Blalock this thing would not all of a sudden be fixed. Why is that so hard to understand? Switching out 1B is not the ultimate solution to this teams struggles offensively. Its a marginal improvement at best and in some situations (like against lefties) it is a non improvement all things considered
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
This won't even be a discussion next year.
And in a perfect world it won’t be in a month when Smoak comes up. Unfortunately, Blalock isn’t movable, so this will continue for ’09.
Unless he makes a major adjustment, he’s done as a legitimate big league hitter. I don’t know where he fits on any team, except to PH against hard throwing relievers. He seems to get good ABs against the Papelbons and Riveras of the league.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
How is it making it worse?
Really, you’re going to use a .200 to prove your point? From a player who has proven over several seasons he can’t hit lefties? Over 55 plate appearances? From a guy gone after this season over a 23-yr. old they hope is a big part of the future?
Platoon player.
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Chris Davis is sooooooo bad right now that
Washington decided to hit Borbon 6th while Crush hit 8th last night, thinking that gave his team a better chance to win.
That’s how bad Davis is.
The current strategy of playing Davis every day is killing this thing!!!
If Blalock is not the answer (not saying he definitively is) than find somebody else.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
He also sat Blalock in favor of Borbon
So its not exactly a ringing endorsement of Blalock
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
And who did Washington going running to like a little bitch
when there were two runners on base and the game was on the line?
The rookie or the vet?
I can’t imagine any of that played well in the room last night and I wonder if there will be repercussions (team quit playing hard for his dumb ass)?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
If that's the case,
the room is filled w/ a bunch of pouting clams. Not one guy on this team has earned the right to moan about who’s playing when and where.(Offense)
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
Really
You think “the room” thinks it was a bad move to replace a slap hitter with a power threat when we are down 3 late in the game with 2 on and 2 outs?
if Borbon was the veteran and Blalock was the rookie you would have still done the same thing. Service time has nothing to do with that decision last night. It was a decision to try and tie the game. Blalock gave you the best chance to do that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
PHing Blalock for Borbon late has nothing to do with Blalock vs. Davis
It’s not like he had the choice of Davis or Blalock to PH for Borbon… Davis was scheduled to come up later in the lineup.
Maybe Blalock hitting like shit
is the reason he sat. No way I would have hit Borbon 6th or DH’ed him last night, but all options suck right now. Blalock’s at bat wasn’t any better then Borbon’s were.
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I'm putting it off for a little while
Want to wait for most of my extension to be compatible.
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that alone makes me hold off on upgrading
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
+1
Get on base or die, Salty.
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I used to say to myself...
“Self, if the Rangers would just concentrate on improving the pitching/defense, even if it hurts the offensive production, it would be better to at least see the team lose with a different template”.
Now I’m telling myself: “Self, losing just sucks, no matter how you do it.”
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
Self?
Get on base or die, Salty.
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Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Im getting a lot closer to the FIRE WASH camp than i ever have
funny its right after he signs an extension
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
me thinks its the "played baseball crowd" v. the "didnt play much baseball crowd"
the final blow for me was,
Outfielders shift position a lot. On every team, including the Rangers
you left out, before they get to pony league
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
GOOD outfielders do not change position
guys who are 4th or 5th OF on a good team do
byrd/murphy/boggs are not good OF, they play multiple positions
sizemore/bonds/crawford are good OF, they play one position
guys like ichiro and hamilton are exceptions, because of their teams defense (in ichiros case, he was actually moved from CF because he was “too good” and made the other M’s OF lazy — Hamilton should never be seen as anything but the exception to any rule imho)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jun 30, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, i didnt really take into account the guys not good enough to get on the field everyday
byrd/murphy/boggs are not good OF so, if im worried about where they are playing, its in regards to makng sure it isnt in my state nevermind which of the 3 positions they can field b/c they can do it all kinda ok
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Get off the pony league shit
Borbon is a rookie, and not a superstar CF prospect. It is not that unusual for rookie outfielders to move around a little is all I’m saying. All of this is just way overblown. If Borbon plays LF often, I’ll be upset. If he plays it today, I’m not going to accuse the team of badly mishandling the situation.
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Borbon is a rookie, and not a superstar CF prospect.
he is the best CF prospect in the system
It is not that unusual for rookie outfielders to move around a little is all I’m saying.
Lofton player 60 games his whole career not in CF
Bernie 62 games in another OF spot
Juan Pierre (no star and Julio has been compared to): never played a position other than CF ever before this season
Sizemore: never
elsbury is the only guy i could come up with just thinking about Centerfielder focused outfielders that has ever spent any time in their career not playing that position
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
If Borbon plays LF often, I’ll be upset.
its day 2 of his career. he’s our best CF prospect in our system, and he has DH’d 1 time. LF’d 1 time, and has batted 6th.your not in the very least thinking about our managers competence?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
well you seem to be in full backing of the way jules has been brought up and handled thus far
in a im not gonna panic, im just gonna sit idly by and defend incompetence till it pisses me off enough to join the crowd in a week kinda way.
us: “wash has handled this call up like a complete idiot”
you: “why are you freaking out?”
us: “why are you defending incompetence”
you “oh i never said i think he’s competent”
WTF!
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
There is a logical gray area there.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
Really
I think they should have held off promoting him at all. It’s the first thing they’ve done that makes me think they’re getting impatient with the chance to win this year and ending the slump. But in the grand scheme of things, which is much more important to me than any one game, I don’t think it matters a whole hell of a lot where Borbon batted in one game.
If they play him in LF (or DH) repeatedly, and bat him 6th a bunch, then it’s a pattern or a plan of some sort that doesn’t make sense. Then I’m really worried about the direction the team is going instead of that game’s lineup/strategy. We’re talking past each other because I’m more concerned with macro and you’re talking micro. I’d be happy if Wash was gone, but getting rid of him now would open up a whole other can of worms in the clubhouse. So, for me, freaking out about this is just a waste of energy.
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Maybe this all comes down to the fact
that promoting Borbon is a strange move. You are loaded with outfielders and you are very comfortable with your current centerfielder. You want a guy that won’t hack away and gets on base, but you promote a guy with average plate discipline who doesn’t have a position on this team.
In my mind, Borbon should have been promoted when Byrd dissapeared and no sooner. Besides the basestealing capability of Borbon, the two players are failry similar and I don’t know why you would want both on the same squad.
In all the discussion about potential roster changes, did anyone think swapping Boggs for Borbon would make an impact?
Just a strange move….
Borbon is an everyday player
Boggs is not
Borbon puts far more balls in play and gets more basehits. Boggs walks alot.
I agree with you it was a strange move to bring up Borbon with no corresponding trade/release of anyone else but Borbon will have a much bigger impact on this offense than Boggs will
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
OT:
does anyone have/use a USB TV Tuner? thinking about getting one in the near future
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
If anyone cares....
Mavs just resigned Deaven George. i dont see what the front office keeps seeing in him, but whatever, its not like this teams going anywhere next year anyways at this rate. I say we need to save enough money up and go get Chris Bosh next summer because its pretty clear he’s not going to stay in Toronto anymore…
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/06/d-george-staying-with-mavs.html
'Howard makes me fear the NKoreans less... If they shot anything at us, he’d be there to block it." - Aquaman56
my mistake
he wasnt resigned. He just exercised his option to remain with the Mavs….
'Howard makes me fear the NKoreans less... If they shot anything at us, he’d be there to block it." - Aquaman56
Pfft
the Mavs just need to worry about rebuilding after Bass and Kidd are gone. Maybe they can get some draft picks for the soft Euro.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
lineup tonight
No Julio (even though they said he’d play tonight) with Andruw Jonez batting fourth as in “cleanup.”
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