People Unclear of the Concept of Waivers
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 10:33 AM CDT
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PrintBaseball Digest has some comments about Vicente Padilla:
According to an industry source, suddenly out of work pitchers Tom Glavine and Vicente Padilla will not be jobless for long.One NL exec told BaseballDigest.com on Wednesday night the Phillies "like both pitchers and will sign one of them before the week is out."
"The Phillies have been waiting for just this type of opportunity; take a veteran starter for a test drive for the next month or so before having to make any hard decisions about (San Diego’s Jake) Peavy or (Houston’s Roy) Oswalt."
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As for Padilla, there’s word from the West Coast that the Angels have already spoken to Padilla’s agent to discuss a possible deal, and the White Sox have inquired as well. However according to an NL East scout, the Mets had a front office official watch Padilla’s start against the Yankees on Tuesday night, and "liked what he saw".
Numerous problems.
First of all, Padilla isn't "out of work." He's on waivers. If no one claims him, he stays with the Rangers. He isn't going anywhere.
Secondly, the Phillies can't "sign" Padilla. They can claim him on waivers and take on his entire contract, or they can trade for him (and try to get the Rangers to eat part of his deal), but they can't sign him.
Third, Padilla's not someone you would take for a "test drive," because he's owed about $8 million for the rest of the season.
Fourth, if the Angels have talked to Padilla's agent about a possible deal, that would seem to be tampering, since Padilla is under contract with the Rangers.
Other than that, great work.
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No one will claim him
he will start Sunday’s game, but the Rangers might get interest in him if they pay half his salary/option buyout. The more we discuss this, the more it seems this was a wake up call for a guy they had not had success reaching with more subtle methods. They were pretty sure no one would claim him and his contract right now, but willing to take the risk.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Yeah. They're giving Padilla the Manny treatment on this, it appears to me.
Just a reminder that if really likes playing baseball, this is it.
I have wondered whether the White Sox could be a trade partner. I’m sure they would like to see what other arms may be available before pulling the trigger, but Padilla’s mentality reminds me of Ozzie.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
At least Padilla
wouldn’t have any problem if Ozzie asked him to hit someone.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
That WOULD be a hoot...
Ozzie trying to talk a guy OUT of hitting someone…
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Wakeup Call
I completely agree. They didn’t realistically expect someone to claim his entire salary, but they can send an in-your-face message about who’s boss and to stop fucking around.
An Addition To "Numerous Problems"
“However, according to an NL East scout, the Mets had a front office official watch Padilla’s start against the Yankees on Tuesday night, and ‘liked what he saw.’”
Er? Steve Phillips, is that you?
no jeter today
fun
"Daryl (Morey, the Rockets general manager) and I were talking this morning. We both discussed how great Tracy is in the playoffs. There's very few people who have the ability to step up their games in the playoffs and he does. So we're not looking to run away from Tracy." - Houston Rockets Owner, Leslie Alexander
muhahahaha WTF?!?!
By the way
its not only the $8-$9 million he is still owed, you’d also have to buy out his option if you don’t want him next year, which is another $1.75 million.
I’ve seen more misunderstanding of waiver rules between yesterday and today.
One other thing. The Rangers can’t send him to the minors after he clears waivers, have Padilla declare free agency, and be free of his contract. If the Rangers send him to the minors, and Padilla refuses (as is his right), Padilla is a free agent but the Rangers still owe him his contract.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
and if he signs with another team they owe him the difference
and i wouldnt expect another team to give him much if anything.
The option buyout is the one thing i forgot about until today. And for a team trying to trim a budger 1.75 mill isnt exactly a tiny sum.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I love how people think you can just send him to the minors
and hope he refuses the assignment and you get out of the contract. With baseball contracts, there are two rules you need to remember:
1. There is no getting out of the contract. Someone will pay them that money. Always.
2. If you think you have found a way to avoid paying the contract, you’re wrong – read rule #1.
Think about it – Chan Ho Park continued to get paid as a Ranger – if they could have demoted him, hoped he refused to dump his contract, wouldn’t they have?
Go Rice Owls!
Is Baseball Digest hiring?
I can easily make 3-4 mistakes per article.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Hah.
The CJ hate is getting old.
"We love Wash.....As a team, we want Wash as the head of that team." Hamilton
"The NFL made me undergo a psychiatric evaluation......Please. It was an accident. If I wanted to post a picture of my penis I wouldn't have been all hunched over."- Chris Cooley.
That was THE magazine for me as a kid...
I wonder if I was that clueless about it’s quality, or if it has slipped like all the other print sources.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
All I cared about were the columns..
“So you think you know Baseball” rules quiz and Lou Boudreau’s column were the height of my knowledge.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
after reading that article
I have Baseball IN-Digestion!
Rock me!
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
By the way
I’m pretty sure that Padilla is on irrevocable, waivers. I don’t believe its possible to put someone on revocable waivers until the waiver period starting August 1.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
Optional waivers (used when a team wants to option a player) are also revocable
…but teams apparently never touch those:
For the record, I’ve never seen or heard of a player being claimed on Optional Waivers – it’s just not done. An unspoken and unwritten "gentlemen’s agreement" seems to exists, I won’t claim yours – you don’t claim mine. For the same reason, this type of Waiver never becomes irrevocable.
http://www.insidethemajors.com/?p=276
by Joey Matschulat on Jun 4, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it used to happen...
Teams used to claim someone just so that another team couldn’t have them… i.e. the Red Sox would claim someone so that the Yankees (who had a better record) couldn’t trade for him… then the waivers were revoked and no trade could happen.
I think that changed because (and I am a little fuzzy here but,) now you have to have room on your 40 man to claim someone off of revocable waivers.
Are you sure you aren't thinking
of the August trade waivers?
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
I thought
that only applied if the player had minor league options and could be optioned down.
Padilla doesn’t have options, does he? Or does he have them, but its a moot point because he can refuse assignment?
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
I think that optional waivers kick in...
…when a player is optioned at least 3 years (calendar) since he first appeared in the majors.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
After he clears
could he be sent to the minors? I thought I saw someone float this idea yesterday. He could be optioned to the minors but then take immediate free agency based on his service time. Could this happen? If it did, would the Rangers be on the hook for the rest of his salary for the year?
"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008
Not that I'm any sort of expert..
But (a) yes, they could attempt to send him down, (b) he could refuse and be granted his release, and © yes, they would owe him his salary.
Anyone know if they would then owe him the buyout for next year, too??
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I wasn't copyrighting point 3 BTW...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
All correct
And the Rangers should be on the hook for the buyout too.
by Joey Matschulat on Jun 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
If the Angels claim him
Do you let him go?
You don't have a choice
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
So here is a question about waivers
Obviously the Padres aren’t going to do this, because they want some real return for Peavy. But what would happen if they just placed Peavy on these irrevocable waivers? Does Peavy have the right to refuse to go on? Or have the right to refuse to be claimed by a certain team? How does that work with no trade clauses?
Go Rice Owls!
retqv
you can’t place someone on waivers who has a no trade clause
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Manny was probably placed
on August special or revocable waivers.
outright waivers
Furthermore, a club may not request outright waivers on a player with a complete no-trade clause or on a player ten-and-five rights (10 years of ML service, the last 5 with his current team). The player can, however, waive those rights and accept the trade if it is to his liking.
special waivers
a player with a no-trade clause who is claimed must be pulled back if the player’s no-trade clause allows him to block a deal to the claiming club. However, the player may waive the no-trade clause and join the claiming club.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
The Angels don't need any starting pitching with Escobar coming back.
And certainly not Padilla, the Angels would never consider such a poison to be on their team.
I am the Iron Man
Would it actually be tampering?
I don’t know, I’m asking. It seems like other teams should be able to talk to a player/agent once he’s placed on waivers, because if the team claimed him, they’d be agreeing to take on the contract… just seems to make sense to let a potential employer talk to the potential employee.
SportsCenter Said He Was RELEASED
On this mornings SportsCenter the preview bar on the left side of the screen read “Padilla Released”.
I can’t stand idiots…
Thad quote
I’m not sure if this is posted somewhere else but:
There were reports Wednesday night that the Rangers had released Padilla, but Texas assistant general manager Thad Levine said no move had been made. Padilla was in uniform before the game, and is scheduled to start Sunday at Boston.
what?
"Purity of heart is to will one thing" - Kierkegaard
Well he was in uniform Wednesday night...
and he has not been released. Still with the team and still expected to make the start this weekend.
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
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