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by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
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PrintI came into the series hoping to win one. That's what happened. But it is still frustrating not to take this game, which was winnable.
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Meh
Every team gives up big innings now and then. It happens.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Shit happens
Let’s go try to take two in Fenway.
That’s baseball.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
Uh, how about this?
Let’s go try to take two sweep in Fenway.
That’s baseball.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Jun 4, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Penny-Lester-Matsuzaka
I’d like to see Boggsie play for Byrd in one game, and for Murphy vs. Lester.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Absolutely
otherwise, why bring him up?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
And leaving Boggs on the pine accomplishes what?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Hamilton's spot on the roster? He's here in case of an emergency. 5th OF.
Murphy>Boggs LF
Byrd>Boggs CF
Cruz>Boggs RF
by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 4, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
Boggs hits LHP. Murphy does not. Boggs plays better defense and can play all 3 spots. Murphy cannot.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 5, 2009 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Boggs takes a walk
Byrd cannot.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Hes also only hitting about .240 with a .360 or so slugging percentage
If drawing a walk and defense are you only attributes its no wonder why you are sitting on the bench
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Uh
Actually, Boggs was hitting .278 at the time of his callup. With a .405 OBP.
Not that he’s gonna immediately duplicate that in the majors, but a .278/.405/.364 player who plays good D ain’t too shabby. Nice table setter type.
That said, I would replace Byrd or Murphy with him outright at this juncture either. Byrd is on a bit of a power streak (.324/.351/.647 his last 9 games) and could be about to go on one of his trademark hot streaks, and Murphy has been extremely good at getting on base since his 0-23 start.
I’d probably platoon him with Murphy and use him as the backup CF for now. If Byrd starts to falter again, then I’d want to see more of Boggs.
wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by LSJ on Jun 5, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Just remember that Brandon destroys LHP.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 5, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Can Boggs play CF?
Especially with his shoulder issues hes had the last few months
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't know
But he didn’t play CF last year but 5 times and he didn’t start until September. If he was capable of playing CF wouldn’t he have played more last year there?
And I believe his shoulder was reason given why he wasn’t playing CF but I could be wrong. Thats why I asked that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
at least Davis made good contact...
my Dish service went out after the Kins homer, but in Davis’ first 2 ABs, he didn’t take a swinging strike.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
All I want is a .500 road trip
We need to take two in Boston….(I hope my temporary hatred for CJ goes away quick)
It was
a bit up. The walk to Cano is what got me.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
It was a slider he got in front of
and was able to pull it.
It wasn’t going to be a strike but Cabrera hit it before it crossed the strike zone.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Fuck the walk to Cano
what about the TWO walks to drive in a cheapo run??? I don’t care how much you’re getting squeezed – trust your stuff and let them hit it.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I know it wasn't CJ's fault
That’s why I said temporary hatred….when you give up a homer to give up the lead, it’s going to leave a bad taste good pitch or not…that’s just me I guess
And on that same point of my Dish going out
why does it seem like crazy shit in the universe conspires against me on the rare occasion that I get to see a game from start to finish? I was offTuesday night, but then the kid goes bananas. An afternoon game? A planet mysteriously moves between the Dish Network satellite and my dish, obscuring the picture.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
The Universe
It’s possible that, unlike many of us, the universe has it out for you. Sorry for your poor luck and I hope your children do not inherit it.
I will be glad when we no longer have to navigate this east coast strike zone
bah.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
we may have had worse strike zones
vs. us this year but this was far and away the most frustrating, i just lost it on that swisher AB
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I think it's a positive
Today’s game was one of those that could have gone either way. It happened to go NY’s. But I’m happy to have one win, and one near win, when playing the likely best team in the league.
Go Rice Owls!
Since when does a loss become a postitive?
If that’s true, then the Angels winning a negative, which makes the day a negative.
Goodness
you’re so Emo. I think I’ll refer to you as Emo boy from now on.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
It's a term of endearment
cheer up Emo boy.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
also, I know we all bag on the umps
but there had to be a number of questionable calls that could have changed the game
by future_longhorn_dad on Jun 4, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
the cano and swisher ab's for starters
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Davis may be coming around
my prediction was a few days early:
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/5/28/891821/daviss-time-may-be-running-out#16310390
and:
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/6/2/896979/nick-johnson-anyone#16509845
I stand by that prediction for his June stats. Kinsler has also picked up the pace lately.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Strike Calls
I know people have discussed it, but those two AB’s in the 5th where Brandon was squeezed sucked. But then, it seemed like Yankee pitches found ways of being strikes? Especially low and outside. I was very proud of Wash for complaining during this series.
Yeah he really stuck it to the man.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way
if anyone else was watching the YES network broadcast – Tex and A-Rod celebrates like 11 year old girls
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Seriously
A-Rod was dragging on Tex’s arm to try to get a high five. And then when the ball barely cleared they jumped all over each other like they just got new Barbie dolls. Then they experimented and made out for about 5 seconds, before Melky made it back into the dugout.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
This needs to be photoshopped
right now
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Olol
you participated in a discussion on a blog that’s not your own! Wow!
Go play in traffic
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
by FirebatM3 on Jun 4, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
who's laughing?
go here to view my blog: http://dirtfromd.blogspot.com
Tell ya what
when you guys get swept by Detroit, we can come in and we’ll laugh it up all day long. Until then, there’s a freeway that’s calling your name
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Now what am I supposed to do the rest of the day?
by future_longhorn_dad on Jun 4, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions
There's a minors thread
and a NBA Final if you’re into that sort of thing
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
root against him
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its like watching the yanks
all the commentaters grovel at his feet, its ridiculous
by future_longhorn_dad on Jun 4, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Then watch a movie
or follow a Minors thread. Or kidnap the family of this umpiring crew and threaten to remove a finger everytime they blow a call.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Work or leave.
Does that help?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I should bust out...
…the RuPaul pic again.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
RuPaul is 0-1
Need somebody else.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Heh
Do you remember when Shaq called Chris Bosh “The RuPaul of Big Men”?
Wow.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
One of the most underrated
put downs of all time
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Shaq hits where it hurts, certainly.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Go to Gutenburg Project
Download a book to read on MS Word.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a translation
and book cataloguing website.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
oh, i thought you were refering the the Gutenburg project as the book to go after
by future_longhorn_dad on Jun 4, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It has a bunch of books in the public domain..
…that you can download for free.
Basically, anything at least 100 years old or so.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Saved me a lot of money
for my history classes. Great site, great people
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
That was really great
of Steve Gutenburg to get that going.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Nobody
born after 1985 knows who Steve Gutenburg is.
Except as the guy who the Stonecutters made a star.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
how could anyone forget police academy
or three men and a baby?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Very true
But Goots had very little to do with that fact. Kind of an in spite of, not a because of.
In unrelated matters, I hate David Murphy.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
he got some help from the stone cutters
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Hell of a site, thanks AJM.
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Jun 4, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Tough tough loss.
But freaking LOL at the pic. Good work Adam.
I think Ron Washington is wearing a Swatch
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Ron Washington is starting to get an attitude.
Did you see how animated he was when arguing with that ump?
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Jun 4, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
These ump
redefined what it means to suck.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Do most 3B get
to the ball that deflected off Young to tie the game? It just seems a good third baseman at least keeps that ball in the infield.
Yeah
Adrian Beltre probably turns that into a DP, most 3B will probably get at least one out from it.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Beltre doesn't do anything more than maybe
turn it into an infield hit.
The unnecessary piling on of Michael Young & CJ in this place is laughable.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Nope
does that have anything to do with the question at hand? No.
Do you still want to extend Marlon Byrd?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Do you still want to fire Jerry Narron?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
1) If you are ripping Young for being bad you also need to give him credit for playing well.
2) Yes, I still think it is worth considering. I am not convinced Hamilton will be able to play the OF regularly and may need to DH.
When we actually discuss
Michael Young’s bat vs. everyone else’s, that’s a legitimate complaint. When the discussion is about defense, this whole, tit for tat “you gotta give them credit” idiocy is one of the most pants on head retarded things I’ve ever heard.
Being bad defensively does not mean that Michael Young is an overall bad player. It just means that he’s a horrible defensive player whose play today might have cost this team a win.
I think the difference between Byrd and Borbon is that Borbon is about a one win better player, and you’re dumb to spend valuable money on an extraneous asset.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
You can rip me all you want
But I agreed with Josey’s overall point which is that the guy gets disproprtionately ripped on this board and balancing the conversation with a comment about what he does well when we were clearly talking about the person of MY rather than the issue of defense is not retarded. But if name calling makes you feel better have at it. I respect your opinon, and even agree that he has been poor defensively, but overall I think he is still a good player.
As for Byrd and Borbon I am not sure how you can argue the value of a player who has never played in the majors versus a vet, but you are entitled to think Borbon is better. I am of the belief that character and intangibles matter and that Byrd has been a consistently valuable piece over the past two seasons. Again, I agree with your point in principle but in this specific situation I don’t think extending him would be a disaster unless the team’s finances are in the tank. And BTW, I think I am on the side of the front office in this opinion.
Major league equivalence?
Defensive metrics?
Scouting Reports?
Able to connect point A to point B?
There’s a lot of ways to make that assertion, and a lot of ways to prove it. I think you’re dumb if you believe the penny pinching Tom Hicks and the savvy Jon daniels will extend Byrd and block a 1st round draft pick that got a ML contract.
Of course, given your apparent inability to follow the conversation, I’m not all that shocked.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
I guess I am confused
I thought we were talking about baseball as two Ranger fans and I don’t really understand your need to take a negative tone. I am entitled to my opinion, I am a fan, just like you, and I don’t think I need to be spoken to as if I am a child. I respect your opinion and I ask that you respect me even if you don’t agree with my opinion. Go Rangers.
This isn't AN
we don’t wave pom-poms and write off dumb ideas as different opinions. If you think JD would say “we’re not keeping Byrd cause we got this CF prospect”, then I don’t know what to tell you.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
by FirebatM3 on Jun 4, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Firebat
I kind of feel sorry for you if you can’t just enjoy the game and talk with other fans. And this “we” stuff, I don’t know what that means either. I have had very good conversations with lots of fans on this site that weren’t like the ones I have with you. It kind of depresses me, to be honest.
I'm going to make this as clear as I can
You’re an idiot. Fuck off. Go eat a dick.
Questions?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Wow
that is just sad man. i hope you have a great evening and find joy in other areas outside of treating others in this manner.
That's not a question
should I draw you a diagram of cock eating?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
I have to say
thats pretty damn close
by future_longhorn_dad on Jun 4, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Alex, who is the King of All Douchebags....
"I should apologize to girls for saying Sexson threw that helmet like a girl. I’m not even sure girls do that." - TAG 05/08/2008
by Captain Fubar on Jun 4, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
And contribute more
to a discussion other than getting your panties in a twist.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
The discussion
is about how much Michael Young sucks at defense. Currently, the answer is a whole fucking lot. Like almost historically awful at defense. Like worse than our awful defense last year. Like he’s single handedly dragging the rest of the defense down awful.
You can contribute to this in two ways – you think he’s going to get better or you lament with everyone else of just how awful Michael Young is at 3B. Pussyfooting around it with some “well, he tries and he hits” idiocy is dumb. Straight up retarded
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
by FirebatM3 on Jun 4, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is really great stuff here
If it will make you happier I will say that I agree with your overall point that MY is not a good defensive 3B.
I'll settle for not good right now
Currently, Michael Young goes beyond not good. he’s a straight up butcher right now.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
MY
Do you think he will get better, or is your anger rooted in your belief that he will be a butcher at third for the next, what is it?, 4 years? I am genuinely curious.
I think
at this point, he’s just not a good fielder. Will he learn to better position himself? Maybe, but the combination of a lack of talent and just a seeming nondesire to play 3B makes him a long shot to become league-average
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
MYs defense at 3B
should be every bit of a topic of conversation as CD’s offense at 1B. Both are pretty wretched. The other part of each of their games is pretty good, but some of it is offset by their weak performances.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
Exactly.
I’m starting to wonder if his arm wouldn’t have more use in RF. But I don’t want to start that up again.
I guess the dude is just lead footed with zero instincts. Don’t know why or how that would play at 3B, but he is hitting well..
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
FOTF
this was in the other thread re: how i feel about him
what i think is that so far this year his defense has been fucking horrible, that he his hitting for a lot more power than he has in the past and that he shouldnt have acted like a jilted girl about the move to 3b when it is now, and to most people was then, quite obvious that andrus was going to be much better than he is/was at SS
the fact of the matter is that via the amount of money he is making and the fact that he was and has been flat out not good at SS defense in recent years means he shoul dhave taken the move to 3b.
i think its chickenshit that he acted the way he did, and i wish that JD had said that he had no problem releasing him if he would agree to not take the money (like the cardinals did with edge james htis year when he bitched and moaned about PT)
i think that if kinsler was asked to move to 3b he wouldnt have said anything, i think that chris davis wouldnt have said anything and i seriously doubt that josh hamilton says anything about moveing off of CF — he did almost exactly what soriano was doing about moving to the OF and THAT is and was chickenshit in both situations.
if he keeps this up, is he even an upgrade over the defense from 3b last year?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
At this pace
he’s about 2-3 runs worse.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
I think he'll get better
It would be hard to believe he couldn’t be better than Blalock with more time.
It’s still kind of a bad spot to be with him, though, because the bat will deteriorate and after he reaches his defensive potential at third that will start to fall off as he gets older, too. Long term, meh.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
It's compounded
by the fact that we don’t have anything better. Who’s our backup for 3B? Esteban German?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
If I knew what to do with MY
I’d suggest relooking at Chris Davis.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
It's really
one of the only long term question marks for this team.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
If we knew Davis could be serviceable at 3B
I think Young would hit us for less runs defensively in RF, where you could still use his arm, but get out from his instincts somewhat.
Then, you’ve got Hammy in LF, with Cruz either in CF or somebody traded.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
How inevitable
that he would have to be buried somewhere or DH.
Damn, that’s gonna clog things up bad.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
x
I am not convinced Hamilton will be able to play the OF regularly and may need to DH.
In which case we’ll have to trade either Chris Davis or Justin Smoak. In which case, we can get a better COF than Byrd in exchange.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Byrd
I don’t know how I got saddled with the Byrd love. JD said he thought he was an important part of the team and I don’t think resigning him would be a disaster. That’s it. I’m not passionately advocating it. I think intangibles matter, I think he will be pretty cheap, and I also think the team is likely to deal Murphy/Boggs. I do think Hamilton will probably need to DH though, so if that means trading Davis or Smoak then I guess I am saying that.
Hamilton
doesn’t get injured if he doesn’t keep running into the CF fence. I think drawing conclusions based on 2 plays is quite a bad way to evaluate anything
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Hamilton
I am leery of engaging you again because I don’t really enjoy it, but I will respond here as well. I know that it was 2 plays from Hamilton but what worries me is the physical nature of CF and the toll that those 2 plays have taken on him physically. I will admit that his history plays a big part in my pessimism. That is why I think he will end up as a DH. I recognize it was just two plays, but you have to admit they seem to have taken a devastating toll on him and they are plays required of a CF.
When you move him to LF
those plays don’t happen. How many times have the LF had to go to the wall this year? Murphy’s play on Holliday is the only one I can think of.
He’s a good defensive LF, and that’s pretty important for a contact oriented pitching staff pitching in a park with a big LF. Having him @ DH will be a waste of a great fielding talent, and probably a great hitting talent as whoever you get to replace Davis/Smoak will probably be an inferior hitter. That and Hamilton doesn’t really enjoy playing the field.
Still, this entire conversation reaks of knee-jerkery. It’s two plays, two unforunate plays, but two plays that doesn’t happen all that often, and especially not for a LF. To say that “Hamilton looks like a DH in the next 2 years” is akin to me saying “Randy Johnson will be caught in an adult video store wearing a wife beater within 3 years”. Are there some points pointing to it as a possible outcome? Sure. Is it dumb to assume that it will happen? Absolutely, it’s pants on head retarded and a poor use of existing resources. Really, it seems to me your whole assumptions are based off of things that are either false, or are unlikely to happen. So yeah, that’s a dumb thing to do.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Hamilton
Like I said, I think his history is important here. No one really knows how he is going to age. It would be ideal to leave him in the OF, that is obvious. What I am saying is that leaving him there MAY not be possible. That’s it. I agree that it is both premature to assert and impossible to forecast but I’m just sayin’ what I’m sayin’. No one knows what will happen but this season he hasn’t been able to handle CF. Maybe you try to move him to left and he is fine there. I don’t know. But it would likewise be foolish to just assume that he will stay healthy as he nears 30 after years of drug abuse and considering the way he plays the game.
Then your
post has very little value, and can be boiled down to “I think we should extend Marlon Byrd because there is some doubt on the health of Josh Hamilton.” Which would be a stupid claim.
I think you’re hyping this whole “drug abuse history” way too damn much. The dude is 6’4", 240ish. This is not some little dude that wastes away, he’s a guy that goes out of the game for multiple years and comes back and immediately start hitting ML lvl pitching. Like I said, none of those plays would occur in LF. Really, talking baseball with you is difficult because you fail to actually make a point more often than not.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
My claim
The Byrd and Hamilton issues are relatively independent. First off, I didn’t bring up Byrd in this thread, you did, I just responded and don’t really feel like making a big thing about it since we already went over this. But, the Hamilton injury has happened since and is tangentially related, so I brought it up. Beside that, I am not sure what you believe a point is. I have a point, and that is I believe Hamilton is a health risk going forward, that’s my point. I don’t want to spend a lot of time linking stuff about the ravages that drugs do to the body, nor do I want to get into a big thing about it. I just want to say what I think, which I shall continue to do. If you disagree, fine, as I have said I respect your opinion.
Fine
Then trade him
If you dont want hamilton in the OF you have severely diminished his overall worth…at that point he is worth more in a trade than he would be as a DH
you dont DH good defenders b/c you are scared that they will play baseball
Late break
and he stumbled getting to the ball. Beltre is really, really good as a defender. We’ll stop piling on MY when he stops being a horrible defensive 3B.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Tell the truth, firebat
The fact that Young treated little JD like shit in January and is paid $ 16 million / year have nothing to do with what happened.
Tex was hitting lefthanded and the ball was hit in a way that it’s going to be spinning away from Young.
Young was there. The ball appeared to tick a corner of 3B.
So Young is ready to make the play and there is no late break. It suddenly shoots a different direction and appears to go under his glove. Replays both make it seem like the ball hit 3B.
TAG and Josh both say the ball has crazy english on it. Where does the crazy english come from, Tex’s bat or 3B?
Dunno, but it came from somewhere.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
It was a reachable ball
and a slow runner. It wasn’t even hit all that hard. An experienced 3B or a naturally instinctive fielder makes one out. An experienced 3B that’s a naturally instinctive fielder, like Adrian Beltre, makes two.
I don’t think you have any idea how good Beltre is or how awful MY has been
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
For the record I was anti-MY before...
…I ever heard the name Jon Daniels.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
He's a good player
but to pretend that he doesn’t have obvious faults is inane.
It’d be one thing if it was a hot shot right by him, but this was a play that could be made.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
so you're convinced it didn't tick 3B?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
It's irrelevant. Imagine that!
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm convinced that great defensive 3Bs
can make that adjustment.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
And you expected Young to be a "great defensive 3B"
less than 55 games into his transition?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
No
but the discussion was not about expectation, but current performance. I thought young would be league average. Right now, league average would be leaps and bounds better than what he is.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
by FirebatM3 on Jun 4, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
as stated
in the other thread
one of the 5 worst defensive players in the majors right now
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
by knockoutking on Jun 4, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's wrong.
He should have stopped it to save more than one run from scoring, but very few third baseman convert that particular ball into an out when positioned as Young was, off of the line. He should have stopped it to hold Tex to an infield single, but that’s about all he could have done with that ball.
Beltre is an excellent defender, but there is no way in hell he starts where Young did and converts that particular ball to two outs.
Meh
Beltre has made enough plays these past few years where I don’t doubt his ability to turn that. Part of it is reaction time, The ball was pretty close to the bag when MY got a glove on it. A clean pick and a quick throw can probably get a pretty slow runner @ first. But whatever, the play wasn’t made.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
From where Young started,
no third baseman turns that. You’re moving away from second base and if you get to the ball all of your momentum will be going directly away from second. If Beltre managed to turn that into a double play, he’d only need two more miracles to become Pope.
Young's reaction time
made that play harder than it has to be. If he has more experience/talent as a fielder there, he probably gets to that ball sooner.
A lot of 3Bs keep it in the infield, good ones will get the out @ 3rd. Great ones can probably turn two. Adrian Beltre is Elvis Andrus good as a fielder. Michael Young is SS Michael Young bad. That’s the difference between the two.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Michael Young
3B is much, much, much worse than Michael Young SS.
He had worked himself up to below average as a SS.
He is kind of a clusterfuck at 3B still.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
adrian beltre
is pretty damn good with the glove
that said, no – he doesnt double off of rivera
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
Beltre is a great defender
but I don’t think he could have turned that into anything better than an infield hit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
We can conjecture all we like
but I doubt you’ve seen Beltre play more than 10 games.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Realize that I'm also a Dodger fan
and that the Rangers play the M’s 19 games a year.
I’ve probably seen Beltre play close to 250 games in The Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Then you're just an idiot
horray for removing all doubt.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Can you recite some random...
days/plays from your Dodger fandom, so we can have some “proof?”
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Random days & plays from my Dodger fandom....
Hmmmmmm, I guess.
I was in So Cal until I was a teenager and fell in love with the team as a young kid in ’69. I had to go to bed at 8 but my parents let me listen to the Dodger games and Vin Scully. The ’69 race was really good and I wannas say there were 5 teams in the NL West jockeying for the lead. The Dodgers checked out of the race when they were swept in a four game series by the expansion Padres.
In ’71, the SFO Giants ran off to a 10-11 game lead by the end of May but the Dodgers persued them all summer. We started seeing some of the kids that year – Buckner, Valentine, Garvey all made extended appearances. The Dodgers were down by 8 games in September but cut the lead to one game but fell just short.
In ’73, I went to a Dodger/Giant game at Candlestick (Davey Lopes signed my glove) in early August. It was a day game and I had to wear a down jacket because we all know what Mark Twain said about summers in SFO. Wanna say Dodgers won 5-4 and that Willie Crawford hit a HR (so did Bobby Bonds for the bad guys). Jim Brewer came on relief to get the save. I think the great Willie McCovey pinch hit and Kingman also played for SFO.
Whenever you see Reggie Jax hit that 3rd HR in the ’77 World Series v. Charlie Hough, recognize that was the last time I ever had a “sports cry.”
1981 was great…loved Rick Monday’s Game 5 ph HR v. the Expos on that cold day in Montreal to win the NLCS and vault the Dodgers to the WS v. the hated MF Yankees. Game 4 turned the series (Jay Johnstone had a big ph HR) and in Game 5 Pete Guererro & Steve Yeager went back to back on Guidry as the Dodgers won 2-1 (I think?). I do know that Goose beaned Ron Cey pretty seriously in the 8th inning. Game 6 was beautiful and the first Dodger World Series title I was old enough to remember.
1988 – What a year. The turning point in the series v. the Mets in Game 4 came when Scioscia hit the two run bomb in the 9th v. Doc Gooden. Gibson won it with a dinger in the 11th or 12th and Orel came on to get the save. Watching the Mets unravel in the 2nd inning of Game 7 was most entertaining but not nearly as cool as watching Kirk Gibson’s ph HR v. the Eck. What a wonderful season that was.
In the last 20 years the Dodgers haven’t been as good as they once were (or fun to root for) and I think some of that goes with the ownership change that happened in the late 90’s when Fox bought the team from the very classy O’Malleys. Example, Gary Sheffield was great as a Dodger but also a world class dick.
I love this year’s Dodger team and it’s pretty cool that they’re playing so well without Manny. Getting him back in early July should help.
benmor, did I prove that I’ve loved the Dodgers for the last 40 years?
If you don’t think so, I don’t really care but I wanna personally thank you for the battting practice fastball that I just knocked into the upper-deck.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Thanks for the laughs.
Hopefully this provides Ben with ample material for the sequel mockumentary of your lifelong sports fanhood futility.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 5, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
benmor can't wake up in time to meet
his bro for a Ranger game muchless top his original cinematic classic.
Yes, my little effeminate friend, the bar has been raised.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Yeah
well, he also just baited you into gold for the rest of us, so.
Whose game is it, anyway?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 6, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's what Evan Grant said about the play
I go 50-50 on Young being able to make the play. I do think, however, he could have done a better job stopping the ball. I think to do that though, you have to be content to allow a single and not get an out. If you try to make the play, the risk you run is the ball getting by for a double while you try to field it in position to make a throw.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 4, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Good recap.
Some folks are trying to make it sound like the ball was a routine grounder that went through Young’s wickets. The truth is that it was going to be damned near impossible to convert that hit into an out. That said, he should have at least stopped it.
This is the MAJOR fucking LEAGUE
that play has to be made at this level
If you want Roger Dorn at 3rd, fine, everyone else, field the fuckin ball
Would you take
MY’s low error total’s to Andrus’s high ones?
Cause it’s the same fucking thing.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
You've got a lot of anger...
Young plays a key role for this organization and I don’t think he deserves this much shit for a ball that had a 50/50 chance to get knocked down. And this is all friendly conversation. Nothing said on these boards changes anything…
Don't know
if we can deal him, I still would to get out of that contract, but he’s the best we got right now.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
If we can't deal him when he's hitting like he is
don’t know how it would ever be possible. Plus the no-trade or whatever, etc.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn Orlando Hudson
he should be injured to facilitate our team’s trade possibilities.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
I'll stop being angry
when you stop saying stupid things. Error totals suck as hard as chemistry as a method of player evaluation.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Not going to lie, I knew I would step on some toes saying something like that
but I mean has he really been THAT bad? The guy is a GG winner at SS and I think he has the ability to be that good at 3B, it just takes time.
Rafael Palmeiro
was a Gold Glove winner at 1B one year where he played 28 games there. Gold Gloves mean jack squat.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
He had zero range
but sure hands.
You look at Elvis and he covers everything from the 2nd Base bag to 20 feet from 3B damn near, you watch MY last year and he covered about 10 feet to either side of where he started. If the ball got to him, he’d catch it, but he didn’t get to much.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
I never minded him at short, but I guess I'm in the minority.
Maybe we should try him out at first haha.
I don't see how you can be wrong by not minding somebody
My issue, rather, is that Michael Young was not a bad defensive shortstop in 2006.
Let’s look at a couple of different defensive metrics…BP’s Fielding Runs Above Average and Fielding Win Shares.
FRAA had Young at 26 runs above average last year, defensively.
The Hardball Times’ Win Share calculations put Young at 7.7 Win Shares (fielding), which is third in baseball among shortstops, behind only Adam Everett and Jhonny Peralta. Now, the fact that Young logs a ton of innings at shortstop is going to boost that raw Win Share total…but nevertheless, given that 6th place overall is almost 20% behind Young (6.2 Win Shares for Juan Uribe), playing time alone doesn’t account for all the edge.
He didn’t seem too bad in ’06 defensively
fuck and yes
and this is coming from one of his biggest fans
go here to view my blog: http://dirtfromd.blogspot.com
and his last year at 2B too
maybe he’s just not a very good fielder
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
He used to be
a good defensive 2B that couldn’t hit squat.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
When he was young, yeah
Somewhere on my computer I have a bunch of video of him playing with Tulsa, and I always knew he’d be a good line drive hitter. The guy just has a pretty good swing. He had it when he was hitting .250, too, and once he got more experienced and stronger there it was.
I think it was you and Adam I used to argue with constantly over at Newberg’s forums. You guys wanted Catalanotto there instead.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that just a glib note of MY's edge in a seriously flawed stat
or are you seriously saying MY is a better defender at third than Adrian Beltre?
Best way not to get an error?
Have such slow reactions and such slow footspeed you never even get to the ball.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
Crap
CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP
That is the game that winning teams, playoff and WS contenders win.
We need 2 of 3 from the Red Sox or I wont feel good about this teams chances in the playoffs. They may win the division, but not much more if they cant win a game like todays.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by FormerLSBUser on Jun 4, 2009 3:25 PM CDT reply actions
At this point of the season
I’m just worried about the team playing well.
We may lose 2 of 3 in Boston but if the team’s playing well, the standings & scoreboard will take care of themselves.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
This
this is actually a reasonable take, and I agree.
Plus, is anyone really disappointed if this team made the playoffs? After 9 years of ineptitude?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
At one time, winning the pennant was a huge deal.
And I still find it very nice. I would like to see the 2009 AL West pennant in Arlington this year.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Jun 4, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya we might win, sure
But wins against crappy teams can get u in the playoffs but once there I want to not just get hot but also have the gusto to beat up on teams, and win the “winnable games”, like when youre up 5-1 in the 5th inning on the road.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by FormerLSBUser on Jun 4, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It happens all the time
if 2 of those balls were in the air a little longer or just an inch to the right or left, McCarthy gets out of it with one or two runs scored. Trying to discern anything of value from one game is frequently a bad idea. There are no such things as statement games.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
If you expect us to win every game that we should have won
then it’s just as reasonable to expect to lose every game that we should have lost
We have had a few of both already, it happens.
For fucks sakes,
after a decade of pooping our pants, I’ll take a fucking division title and be happy with it.
There is another team out there, you know. I hate the Yankees, but they’re pretty damn good.
Way to not lurk and instead shit all over yourself during your first fanshot.
-FirebatM3 to Ryan2907. 6/3/09.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 4, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I second that. We need to start somewhere and a division title would be nice
salary-wise we are like a Camaro trying to keep up with a Ferrari and doing a respectable job
Galloway says Tuesday night's performance
by VP was only part of the problem but just a small part of “a growing concern” going on with him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Did he mention how he knows this?
A quote from someone that follows the Rangers?
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
Probably a direct quote
from his anus.
I don’t really see anyone in the organization that would go out of their way to talk to Galloway, save Mark Connor
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
RG made it seem like it was from somebody on the inside.
He has lots of sources, including Nolan & Hicks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I don't doubt that what he said was true.
Just wondering if it was a wild-ass guess or he actually had a source.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
just a wild guess
but im gussing he talked to mile’s cincy sources
they also were the ones who confirmed the millwood salary dumb that wasnt for real
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
the pic up top ^^ I imagine RW saying:
you see here, you see….I imagine that my whole fist will fit into…into.. into your ass because your fat ass is not small….right……understand??
RW Caption
“The sandwich was huge. I had to open my mouth like this to take a bite!”
by NorCalRangersFan on Jun 4, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions
Invisubul Sammich
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Is that a droplet of spittle in Two Frank's AP Photo?
Or do Ron’s thumbs simply perspire a lot?
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
"Anyone who hangs themself during autoerotic asphyxiation is free game." - Curmudgeon
Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions
That is definitely some spittle
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Jun 4, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Fucking Toronto
Alex Rios 0-5, 5Ks.
Ouch
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
is that 4 or 5?
What’s six?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Even Crush hasnt dont that yet this year...
or at least i dont think!!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
LAA of A @ Detroit for the weekend. We're at Boston.
I think we could come out of the weekend 4.5 to 5.5 games up
She say she are the manager.
Boston
is really good. Detroit just got swept by them, at home.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Verlander-Jackson-Porcello
is a hard 1-2-3 to matchup well against.
The Angels are throwing out Santana-Palmer-Saunders.
If Detroit doesn’t at least take 2 out of 3, I’m burning that city to the ground.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
can you burn down already-burned-down buildings??
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I think so
I’ll give it the ol’ Midwest try.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
What a gamer.....
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
the only thing
certain this weekend is that the Rangers will still be in first place on Monday morning
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Millwood vs. Penny tomorrow.
Would be really big to get one to start the series.
Just don’t get swept and get home. 2-4 is not fun, but not a disaster. 3-3 would be great.
The offense
without Hamilton is really hard to get up for right now.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Chris Davis
showed some signs of life today. I really liked his first hit, the opposite field shot.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
Yeah
he’s still quite hacktastic, though. I’m glad he’s showing signs of life.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
I can't imagine
he’ll ever have a K rate less than 30%, but he can still be productive with that if he can start making more consistent contact.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
Yes, we can't realistically hope for him
to take tons of pitches, we just need to hope that his swings make contact more often.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I think
he could be a 270/330/520 guy. I doubt he is ever a 1.000 OPS guy or anything tho
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
Those numbers
are pretty much exactly the numbers I predicted for him this year in the Community Projection thread (.266/.322/.539). I don’t think he’ll hit well enough to get his season numbers anywhere near that now, but maybe he can do that from this point forward.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
I think we are due for a rough stretch over the next 3 series
3 vrs Boston, 4 vrs Toronto, and 3 vrs LAD. To get 4-5 of those 10 I think would be good
by future_longhorn_dad on Jun 4, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions
plus, those are followed by
houston, San Fran, and then Arz, which should work in out favor
by future_longhorn_dad on Jun 4, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
we should stop trying to project the next few series. Toronto is not that good save for Doc halladay, who we miss.
And LAD is not that good, their record be damned. They’re us, except for Chad BIllingsby is superawesome and they play in an even weaker division.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
We miss Halladay?
Im going to say that is sketchy, 4 game series…
i guess he is scheduled to go on sunday?….
Toronto is folding fast. And we hit Halladay well.
1-2 vs. Boston
3-1 vs. Toronto
1-2 vs. LA
6-7 for the tough stretch.
Works for me even thought it might mean our lead down to 1.5-2.5.
We miss Halladay
Jenssen-Tallet-Who Cares-Who Cares
are the 4 we face.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
I just hope
we win the draft day game. That’d make me feel a lot better going in.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Past tense?
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
So are you
By the way, how can you “increase” average?
Don’t get pissy. I’m just sick of the people that can’t enjoy the ride while it last.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
We clearly lost because of the decision to bunt with Teagarden
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
Agreed... his other ABs were much more productive.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
well that sucked..Yankee Stadium was pretty awesome though..
I was feeling pretty good before BMac fell to pieces.
I went with my friend Kenny who is the NYC Sports Commissioner. Thankfully he’s a Mets fan so he didn’t give me too much of a hard time lol ..I do love that stadium though, so many great restaurants within the stadium to choose from, it’s one of a kind.
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
How much
did your day cost?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
nothing because my friend gets free tickets...
I did hear that the cheapest tickets available were 80 bucks an hour before the game. Actually 3 beers was 30 bucks and 2 foot longs was 15 so grand total of 45 bucks..
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
80 bucks an hour?
no wonder Yankee games last so long.
oh wait…..nevermind.
Call 1-800-DOCTORB. The B is for bargain!
I was a few rows from the top, up from the dugout...
…for $20 off StubHub. Food and drink was $15.
More than the Ballpark, but not ridiculous either.
you must not of been drinking...
since one damn beer costs nine bucks.
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
CJ
A loss is a loss, but with 100+ games to go, keep on marching, soldier. Time to start another streak!
Go Rangers...don't suck...
in the lighter side of news
today marks the 35th anniversary of 10 cent beer night
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Ugh that was irritating
Brandon Freakin’ McCarthy. He’s made some strides, this was a step back.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 4, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions
Well, it was both
He was awesome for 3 innings and then he made some bad pitches
even in the 5th nothing was really hit exceptionally hard and as has been discussed, the strike zone really went out there and fucked the shit out of him, no reacharoud, no lube
you just cant give up back to back hits to the 8-9 hitters though and proceed to walk the next 2…period
that said, im not actually that mad about his performance
Did you watch the game?
He didn’t look as bad as his line.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
That's bad
since that’s the Penny game.
Is it our only visit to Boston?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Double header, I guess.
We might see Buchholz
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
oh fuck...
I guess I’ll have to buy an umbrella…damn.
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
You have Fenway tickets too?
You should take pictures
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Yep
Had to buy those through stub hub 2 months ago for 200 bucks cuz they were all sold out, I sure hope it doesn’t get rained out.
Funny you should mention the camera I was just going to take my camera to an electronics shop here in NYC to find out why the hell it’s not charging. I wanted to take pics at Yankee Stadium but couldn’t. It’s only a year old maybe it needs a new battery, hopefully they can help me out down there on Times Square because I REALLY want pics of Fenway.
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
What brand is it?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
HP Photosmart R927
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
In my experience
I found that HP stuff tends to be really, really wonky. I had a battery that refused to charge after about 6 months of use. And I wouldn’t recommend taking it into the rain.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
oh ok thanks.. must be the battery then..
Time to go schlep amongst the masses to find a battery.
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
Probably better to just buy a new camera
I’d stick with Sony, Oly, Canon, or Nikon. Panasonic makes some good ones too.
Sony is really good for battery life. The others probably are too but I’ve used Sony/Minolta for a long time so I can say that for sure.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
panasonic
the lumix line is supposed to be really good
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
It is.
Have heard many great things about it.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually just go to
dpreview.com
They do extremely thorough reviews of everything from point and shoots to slrs.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
oops too late.. I just bought the battery for $89
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
Damn.
You shoulda went to the photography district. B&H, Adorama, etc. Would have got it cheaper most likely.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
haha I know...
I just didn’t feel like going too far, I’ve been walking around this city all day…starting at 10 to go to the Stadium.
Rodney if I had known you were going to get a mohawk, start wearing gold chains, call everyone fool, and re-name yourself Mr. R I may not have been so generous with the work-out tips. I'd re-think all that big guy.
Michael Young
the last HR he hit was off of Felix in the beginning of may right?
It’ll soon be a month without a HR.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Well if he doesn't hit
things could get ugly. So hopefully, for his sake, he keeps it going with the doubles.
¡Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!
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Colloquially, a person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper.
by inactive lsb user on Jun 4, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
It's quite difficult
to maintain that high of a slugging percentage with doubles, especially if the said player has been a historically low walk type of player.
Really, if MY is above league average the rest of the way, I’d be happy.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Giants position players
are comically inept at the plate and in the field. Man, that’s a poorly constructed lineup.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Question: When a player wants a second opinion on an injury and has to travel faraway, who pays?
The player or the team?
II Cor. 4:17-18
Randy pulled after 6 with 78 pitches..
Who knows what kind of injury he could have… better hold this lead..
the preceding post was a great success.
at least he's on line for the win
if the bullpen holds it
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
How would you like to face randy johnson after blowing his 300th win?
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Wow
bailout call.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
That
was low.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Molina brought it up
you also have to remember it was Adam Dunn, so the zone should probably be taller and higher.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
pretty pretty close there....
gameday thinks it was a strike, but it was borderline at best.
oh well, nationals arn’t going anywhere (of course i’d be mad if i was a fan though).
the preceding post was a great success.
There are more giants fans there
than Nationals fans.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
I must admit
part of me would have found it amusing if Brian Wilson would have walked in the tying run only to get the win.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
300 Wins these days
Pretty big deal. Congrats to that ugly motherfucker.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
i wish we had a decent defensive 3rd baseman...
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
Because Young is so terrible?
He is a 300 hitter, knocking extrabase hits at near top of the order, and isnt making as many errors on the field as it appears. (LEARNING CURVE)
He is top 5 in the AL for 3B in the following: Avg (1), Runs (5), Hits, (1), 2B (T1), SB (3), OPS (2), OBP (3), SLG (3)
every 3B in the AL has commited more errors than MY, except two who have the same 3 errors as he does
"Fight ’em ’til hell freezes over, then fight ’em on the ice!" – Dutch Meyer
by CowboyHornedFrogs on Jun 4, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
"He's a good hitter"
is not a defense against charges of being a bad defender.
He’s a bad defender. We use http://www.fangraphs.com/ or www.hardballtimes.com here.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
What should they do?
The contract is immovable. His offense is pretty damn good. He’s playing at a new position.
It’s possible for people to improve their play at a certain position.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Ok miss read longhorns comment
(though im sure his comments will be filled with hatred toward TCU after the horns lose this weekend to the Frogs)
Yes based on the saber-metric geek-friendly stats, which i am a fan of using, Young is doing pretty terrible @ 3rd. Though he is better at turning double plays than most other 3Bs in the AL (bright side optimism here)
But i’d argue against wanting a better 3B.
Young is definitely an upgrade over the Metcalf, Vasquez, Blaylock, and DeRosas we’ve had at that position the last few years, granted he’s no dean palmer (insert sarcastic chuckle here)
Give the guy a chance to get over the learning curve of a new position before we chastize “The Face” for his sub-par fielding, when his bat more than makes up for the inadequacies in the field
"Fight ’em ’til hell freezes over, then fight ’em on the ice!" – Dutch Meyer
by CowboyHornedFrogs on Jun 4, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
It's "Blalock", not "Blaylock". Hes been here 7 years.
Anyway, plenty of people have held to the theory he will improve over time. He improved over time at SS, I don’t see why he wouldn’t at 3b. But at the same time this is an active website that responds on a daily basis and if the guy is struggling at 3b its going to be called out. Today he happened to have some questionable plays so its highlighted, where as there had been barely a mention for a couple week stretch earlier and his improving UZR stats have been given many times.
But yeah, saying people should simply stay silent about an inadequacy because he has strengths is silly.
I don’t actually see anyone suggesting we reinstate Ramon Vazquez at 3b, and while some people may say they wish we could trade him.. that it is a reasonable position to take. Purely opinion, but reasonable.
the preceding post was a great success.
I don't think silence is necessary ...
but how damned many times per thread does the subject need to be beaten into the ground? Surely there is a happy medium somewhere.
Thx sarge
I’ve never understood how anyone can have simultaneous constipation and road rage over a missed play, mainly because a contrived topology of what a position player is supposed to cover doesn’t coincide with the players’ actual effectiveness when juxtaposed with the topology of the player next to him. In English, that means if Elvis covers 75% of the landscape left of the middle of the diamond and Young “almost” covers the other 25% the Rangers are not that badly off. But I guess the occasional leak-through is grounds for venting.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jun 5, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
He has the worst
defensive metrics for 3B. Worse than a late-30s Chipper Jones, a 300 lb Pablo Sandoval, and the corpse of Geoff Blum, who plays 3rd for the Astros. That’s not just random plays showing me he’s bad, that’s everything telling me that he is bad. There’s a difference.
Also, the whole idea that the SS takes away from the Range of the 3B is lame and pretty thoroughly disproven. Yuniesky Betancourt 05 graded out pretty well despite playing next to Adrian Beltre. Bobby Crosby graded out well despite playing next to Eric Chavez. Juan Uribe did well despite having the amazing Joe Crede as a diamond partner. That argument is inane.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
Not the point
Range template variance exists but doesn’t satisfy me that the entire defensive metrics aren’t assembled with some assumptions that don’t always work. Young’s problematic defense is clearly a fact, yet he does make plays both behind the bag and in toward the middle of the infield that contradict the accumulative stats. Why? Because the stats ARE accumulative and do not represent what happens on individual or situational plays. If you go wholly by RF or even UZR (which isn’t bad at all) and overlook plays made, you misread a considerable element of baseball – the whole positioning versus normal or expected versus outliers or exceptional play made stuff. With Teix up against a RH downhiller and the bases loaded, the MIF is positioned for a DP and the corners are in a bit to take one out at the plate if they can get it. I’d think the end of the bat wriggler down the line is about the last thing you’d expect but it happened. Just saying, you can’t use one play not made as exemplary of the whole body of defensive ratings. And I’m satisfied with the overall defensive metrics of the infield, and believe that improved defense is the primary reason for a number of wins, moreso than better pitching leading to run prevention. So no I’m not talking about grading out well because of playing next to a highly rated position, not at all. Just decrying the barrage of laments that come down whenever a game is decided by something that is unusual but happens in baseball.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jun 5, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be one thing
if only one stat saying that he’s awful. After all, the nature of defensive stats subjective. On the other, almost every single defensive stat says that Michael Young is awful. Not only that, but just my eyes tell me that he’s an awful defensive player given the amount of balls he doesn’t get to that some one like Joe Crede or Adrian Beltre gets to. Not only do UZR and +/- stats say “hey, he’s awful”, but even the eye test say that he’s awful. At some point, the conclusion just should be – "hey, he’s awful
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
People comment about MY's defense at 3B
for the same reasons folks comment on Chris Davis’s offense this year and the reason folks comment on Kris Benson’s pitching.
"Guillermo Moscoso despite his stunning game yesterday, is not a legit prospect. He is simply too old, too skinny, too weak, and lacks the fastball to make it at the professional level. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
And the underlying reason people in here
are doing so with such vitriol is because MYoung treated JD like dogshit on his cleats this past January and also makes $ 16 million/ year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Prepare for your skewering.
Remove underpants, bend over.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
and whats with all this hostility on here
immediately going for the anal rape skewering b/c of a few links posted in reply to the comment?
These links (which i am well aware of) must be the end all of all things holy in baseball.
I’ll try to remember that if i ever need to win a blogosphere debate with people who are mutual fans of my team. i must only need to send a link to fangraphs. otherwise be bent over pantless and skewered like an australian kangaroo bbq.
"Fight ’em ’til hell freezes over, then fight ’em on the ice!" – Dutch Meyer
by CowboyHornedFrogs on Jun 4, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not going to ass rape you
But there are those who obviously can’t stand it when people compare error totals, which makes some sense. I mean if you can’t get to a ball it’s pretty hard to make an error on it.
by Black Francis on Jun 4, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
touche on the error comment
didnt think about it that way. Not having the range to make the error in the first place. Good call.
"Fight ’em ’til hell freezes over, then fight ’em on the ice!" – Dutch Meyer
by CowboyHornedFrogs on Jun 5, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Congratulations you horribly
hideous, deformed mutant of a man.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
I'd say you're in rare form today
but you’re always like this. Funny thread.
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Starts up everytime I open anything up here. Don’t tell me to use Firefox because I’m too damn dumb to load up a new thingamajig.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
OT: Dwight Howard's Vitamin Water Commercial
is hilarious
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
The pic above with RW looks like he showing the ump how to play Guitar Hero
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
That might be my favorite Ron Washington photo ever
and running for top 10 photos I’ve ever seen. Amazing.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
Had a great time at the game yesterday
despite the loss.
I must say, very tame crowd. Very little heckling (except for some 16 year old looking kids who kept saying “Kelllllyyyy” (My jersey-shirt said Kelly, obviously).
Stadium is very very nice.
2 college-aged Yank fans wanted their picture taken w/ me + my bro (I think because I was probably the only Rangers fan they saw.) So yeah, that was exciting… heh
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