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Bullpen Situation

 

It's interesting how we can overlook something when the Rangers win. I almost fell of my couch last night when, after O'Day walked the first two batters in the 9th (as if that wasn't bad enough), Kris Benson started throwing in the bullpen. The Rangers started yesterdays game with four relievers available - O'Day, Guardado, Benson, and Mathis. That's awful. For a team with playoff aspirations, that's just not gonna cut it.

The problem is that the Rangers are going to be very careful with Francisco and Jennings. This sometimes leads to O'Day being the only righty late inning guy available. Seems to me that a logical solution to this situation would be sliding Jennings to the long relief role. The Rangers often stretch him out in outtings anyway and how often does a team use its long reliever in back-to-back games? Once this is done, you get rid of Benson and send Mathis back to OKC. The missing piece is then a high K righty set-up guy. Maybe Feliz is the answer (personally, I'd like to see him stay in OKC with a late August call up) or maybe the Rangers should pursue a trade. On that note, JD needs to shit or get off the pot with the catching surplus.

 

 

 

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Catching Surplus

Right now I don’t see much of a catching surplus. Neither Saltalamacchia nor Teagarden are distinguishing themselves offensively. Ramirez has not hit at AAA and Pina has cooled off considerably at AA. I don’t see any reason to deal one right now just for the sake of it.

by pblack on Jun 6, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez, not so much.

Salty and Teagarden are good, young, inexpensive catchers.

"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels

by Randy Richardson on Jun 6, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Feliz needs more time

in AAA, and Max Ramirez’s stock is low right now. For how we started out the year, i think the pen has shaped up alright. Guardado has turned it around, same with CJ, O’Day has been very good, Jennings has been solid with that terrific slider, and Benson is going to be DFA’d any time now when a couple more guys get healthy. A power RH arm would be nice, but we had that chance with Ramirez and didn’t take it. I’m sure if we stay in the hunt there will be plenty of pieces available. Call me dumb, but if Nippert and Eyre can get healthy I think they can make solid contributions

by erikj07 on Jun 6, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

i think that most of the improvement in the pen can come from within. My bet is that Feliz gets the call right after the ASB.

by Michael Cave on Jun 6, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kansas City

Has a great bullpen. Trade for Cruz and Mahay. The Rangers might be able to package Max-Ram and a good, young pitcher — Omar Poveda maybe?

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Jun 6, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cruz

If the Rangers couldn’t afford him in March what makes you think they can afford him now? I think cash is tight and any relievers acquired will be more of the O’Day variety.

by pblack on Jun 6, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The increased attendance figures.

Their revenues to this point in the season have to be much higher than they were expecting.

by NoNameOnCard on Jun 6, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well although it doesn't sound like a great bullpen

They have been getting the job done recently. O’Day i’m comfortable with, I’m starting to trust Eddie if he keeps pitching like he has been. C.J. Is great on most days and frankie is amazing. Jennings is good.

The bullpen hasn’t been so terrible.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Jun 6, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

Long term, I don’t know. But the Red Sox are a very good offensive team and they’re going to put runners on base sometimes. The relievers dealt with it pretty well if you ask me. Most teams give up multiple runs in that situation.

Even if Feliz were just mowing down AAA hitters, I don’t think he should be brought up and put into a high pressure late innings role. Use him like they did with Holland or let him start, which is high pressure but at least he’s used to starting games.

I agree with the others that right now isn’t the best time to deal with the catchers. At the big league level there are two who maybe aren’t hitting all that well but do what you ask of them defensively. Kind of need both those guys. Not sure if other teams even look at Ramirez as a catcher, and right now you’re not going to get a lot for him.

I think this is just one of those situations where you make due with what you have unless the right deal comes along, and it would be nice if were another O’Day-like pickup.

by Black Francis on Jun 6, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct me if I am wrong

But was Hollands first appearance not with the bases loaded and in a pressure situation.

I think Feliz needs to finish the season at AAA and then come up and pitch out of the bullpen and get his feet wet. If we are in the hunt still better yet he will get some pressure situations under his belt and be ready to compete for a spot in the rotation next year.

I really hope, as someone pointed out earlier, that Nippert and Eyre can get healthy quick and come up and contribute.

by sftxfan on Jun 6, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree the bullpen is a huge concern

Francisco’s health concerns are especially troubling given the lack of other legit late inning options. I’d like to see some quality added, somebody like Qualls or Bell.

I’m also concerned about what we can expect from Guardado and O’Day for the rest of the season. Eddie seemed to hit a wall last summer, and he walks a pretty fine line between servicable and atrocious. With O’Day, it just seems that trick delivery relievers often have a short shelf life.

My best case scenario is that Feliz comes up in a month or so and is added to the late inning mix, another internal option (Moscoso? AJ Murray?) proves trustworthy in the middle innings, and a proven shut down guy is added via trade.

"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16

by tricer on Jun 6, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Does anything think that

Chris Ray might be a ok fit here. He might be cheap, but the Orioles are lookin to improve thei bullpen, not dismantyle it

Big Numbers

by homerun013 on Jun 6, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i like the guy a lot

but he has done NOTHING at the major league level that would show me anything

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."

by knockoutking on Jun 7, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

tht mgiht make his value even less

Big Numbers

by homerun013 on Jun 8, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Benson needs to go...

I’m tired of seeing him come into games. Even blowouts. Mathis showed me enough tonight. 1 scoreless inning is enough for me. DFA Benson now please.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 6, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When Nippert is ready he'll be gone

I still find it amazing people get all riled up over the 12th man in the bullpen who pitches once a week in blowout games. He actually provides us a service by pitching in those games so we can use our better guys in close games. Kris Bensons 8 innings in May have to be some of the most controversial innings of any Ranger in recent memory

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 7, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the angst comes from

the fact nobody has any faith he can get people out at the ML level. Yes, his recent innings have mostly come in blowouts — but what happens in a crazy long game, or a DH, and we need that last guy in the bullpen to actually get some outs? I’d feel a hell of alot better about that situation if it wasn’t Benson out there…

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 7, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe its just me

But if one of those situations comes up I will just write it off as “shit happens”. Frankly if my mopup guy/long reliever only costs me a game or two during a season then im happy. So far Benson has not cost us a single victory so really there is nothing for me to be mad about. I don’t care what his stats are.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 7, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah true

I’m not really “mad” about it — but if I had the option of putting a guy back there that I had SOME faith in, it’d make me feel better.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jun 7, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Benson came into the game when it was 4-0. Now granted, as good as Lester was last night that may as well have been 20-0. However, usually when the Rangers are down 4-0 in the 5th inning the game isn’t over. I would like to see at least a decent long relief guy. Obviously he isn’t going to be the best pitcher in the ’pen, but it sure would help if he was at least servicable. Which Benson is not.

If there is going to be a shitty guy in the ‘pen at least let it be a younger pitcher who is already on the 40 (Hunter, Mathis, Mendoza, Moscoso come to mind) so the Rangers can loose some dead weight there. Just my opinion though, I know it’s not a huge deal.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 7, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those young guys already on the 40

Need more innings than what they would get in Arlington. SO either they come up and pitch once a week and don’t get the innings they need to continue developing or they come up and in order to get them those innings they need you put them in situations where they can actually cost you wins.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 7, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So they need...

more innings than Holland does to continue developing? I believe you and I agree that he should be in he roation in OKC getting consistent innnings and work in as well as working on his off speed stuff. I suppose you could argue Hunter and Moscoso still need more work in the minors. However, to me at least, Mathis and Mendoza are what they are. I don’t think they really need more work in the minors. They have had plenty. I know some here feel differently about Mendoza though.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 7, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its just my way of thinking

I absolutely hate using young guys in either the mopup/longman role or the utility IF role. To me those spots on a roster should be set aside for veterans who realistically have reached their ceiling and are probably on the downside of their careers.

Mathis and Mendoza may never be anything more than longmen or whatever. But right now if they were used in the same manner as Benson has been I think it would be wasting them. The increase in teams performance going from Benson to say Mathis is so miniscule it would be simply making a move for the sake of making a move. Which is why it baffles me why people want to do it so bad. There is really nothing gained from making that move but people are so up in arms about doing it.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jun 7, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, joy! Nippert!

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by t ball on Jun 7, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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