Michael Young in 2009
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 8, 2009 1:30 PM CDT
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how many people
think he ends the year with a 921 OPS
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
there's really no argument for Young
as a All Star.
Man, I love winning! You know? It's like better than losing!
evan longoria, alex rodriguez, and brandon inge?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
are we docking him for time missed?
his offensive numbers are probably better than young’s and his defense is much better.
and he’s arod and it’s the all star game.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
According to Fangraphs, again...
A-Rod’s WAR is 0.9 right now, compared to Young’s 1.3.
Granted, he’s caught up fast, but Young is still a bit better off right now.
He does have a .947 OPS
But he hasn’t been anything special since returning. I think Young has earned the nod over him as of right now, assuming Longoria is the one voted in.
Inge has been much better than Face.
Figgins and Crede have been better (or at least right around as good, depending on your metric of choice), too.
I’d prolly put Arod above him for the All-Star game cause he’s Arod. I think by the time July rolls around Alex’ll’ve caught Face anyhow.
So, yah.
Face shouldn’t be an All-Star at 3b this year.
But that doesn’t mean the explosion with the bat isn’t nice. It’s been awesome.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
do coaches vote him in?
because he’s Face, and has been there so much in the past several years? or do they like ARod over him?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 8, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
How has Inge been "much better" than Young?
Just doing some casual research, Young is sitting on a 140 OPS+ compared to Inge’s 127. His OPS is significantly higher. Figgins and Crede haven’t even been close from an offensive standpoint. ARod, while being the better player, is currently winning the OPS battle because of bloated walk numbers. His 150 pt spread between batting average and OBP is significantly higher than normal. Young’s wRC is significantly higher than ARod’s, Inge’s, or Crede’s and is second to only Longoria.
I guess you are looking at the value stats on fangraphs to reach your conclusion, which I think is skewed presently because of Young’s newness to playing third base. I’m much more receptive to some of the saber defensive stats, but watching 90% of the games this year, I’m really at a loss as to how Young could be rated so badly by UZR. Either way, I can’t remember the last time an offensive player was included on the all star roster because of his defense. For better or worse, entrance into the game is dictated by offensive prowess. As such, Young has been the 2nd best third baseman in the league thus far. That should get him a trip to the game.
the Yankee fans will vote ARod in
Longoria will be the Rays rep. MY will get in more as an infielder than a thirdbaseman.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Inge
that hot April can only prop up his numbers for so long.
Man, I love winning! You know? It's like better than losing!
bottom line is his career .705 ops
his offense is going down.
sure his better defense may make him as good/better than young so far, but noone voting on the all star game really cares about defense. and those that do think young is a gold glove SS playing 3rd and thus good defensively, they arn’t looking at UZR.
I think young will be ahead of inge in any player/manager voting and is in the fan voting. Of course, theres arod. Young will probably need an injury to make it.
the preceding post was a great success.
wait
did you mean for or against?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Nevertheless, your sentiment above isn't that far off...
Fangraphs lists Longoria, Inge, and Figgins above Mikey in terms of overall value.
If he were average on defense, he’d have third easily.
I can see him getting in as a backup perhaps
but Longoria deserves to start.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Voting
players vote for one of the backups, right?
Say Longoria gets voted in. Who do the players vote in from the following list:
Young, Inge, ARod.
I can’t see the players voting in Inge, regardless of his stats. Do the players vote Young, who is generally respected, or ARod, who is supposedly derided around the league but obviously the better player? I don’t know.
Go Rice Owls!
Bitch Tits or Franchise Face
The NL players would obviously vote for Bitch Tits, so he could tell them what pitches are coming.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
It's not even funny
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
an infamous athlete with tits ain't funny?
Well, gee whiz, what is funny?
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
It was funny the first 999 times you posted it
It’s dropped off a bit the next 10,000 times.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
you see the nature of nicknames
is that you use them instead of the player’s real name.
Personally, I think using “A-Rod” is tired as hell, but people still call him that all the time.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
Most people here do it
because we’re all too lazy to type out player’s full names 1000 times. Plus, its been his nickname that everyone’s used for forever.
Bitch Tits just wasn’t funny in the first place and isn’t after you use it 1000 times, especially when that is the only way you refer to him.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So we agree..
tits aren’t funny, just fun???
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
calling john kruk bitch tits is funny
arod, not so much
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Disagree
“Bitch Tits” is very funny.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
i doubt he gives two shits what hes called
as long as he makes 20+ mil a year lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
Personally, I suspect he cares WAYYY too much..
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
to each his own
I don’t find double play dinosaurs to be funny, but I do find some humor in a baseball player with tits.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
I think it is somewhat amusing
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
It depends on which DP Dino gets posted..
I personally think my own is quite funny. It still makes me laugh.
Call me conceited.
Ok, J Wails.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I still like it
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 8, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
When it comes down to it...
Michael Young is one of the most respected Baseball players in all of Baseball amongst his peers.
Yes,he will get in. Players Vote—Or Joe Maddon will take him.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jun 8, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
he's making up for Hamilton a bit
I still would rather not have him due to his contract, but I’d much rather take take the great Michael Young than the average Michael Young.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Even better than 2005
right now, a wOBA of .400 (.389 in 2005) and on pace for about 55-60 doubles and 20+ HRs. Pretty nice. Helps make up for league-worst defense at 3B. This looks like a “bump” year in the midst of his decline phase and some of what we were missing when he wasn’t healthy. Hope he keeps it up.
Currently 4th on the team in terms of value (according to fangraphs) after Cruz, Kinsler, Andrus.
http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Rangers&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=0&type=6&season=2009&month=0
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
if he hits 20 HR
and no one talks about steroids i will be shocked lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
thats ridiculous
the guy had two broken fingers last year, so i hope thats not mentioned
by blueballlefty on Jun 8, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
HR
michael young 2006-2007-2008:
35 HR in 1975 AB = 1 every 56.42 AB
michael young 2009:
8 HR in 220 AB = 1 every 27.5 AB
michael young career:
123 HR in 5180 AB = 1 every 42.11 AB
did he have 2 broken fingers the last 3 years?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
well hes on a 24 hr pace
so dropping to 20 would drop that stat a bit, and 32 is not nearly too old to have a power surge.
besides didnt he lose weight after 2006 to focus on SS defense (and has a significant UZR improvement after saying so)?
the preceding post was a great success.
For this season
He might close. Also, when you consider the other factors with him (like being one of the most recognizable names with the Rangers and a huge fan favorite), he’ll probably be worth it.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
and being so unselfish as to move from SS to 3B
for a stud when he did in fact win the GG last year…that’s HUGE. That’s worth a LOT of that contract…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 8, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/michael-youngs-value
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
This year, yes.
this is the first year of his extension, and if you parse out his deferments on an annual basis he’s making $13M this year I guess. Looks like he’s on pace to be worth about $15M unless his bat slumps. Andrus is on pretty much the same value pace for different reasons.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
what's his average with RISP?
I would’ve expected more than 22 RBIs
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Jun 8, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions
it's really bad obviously
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
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Bases Empty 53 130 4 51 15 0 4 4 8 18 0 0 .392 .428 .600 1.028
Runners On 48 90 29 23 6 0 4 18 8 15 4 1 .256 .313 .456 .769
RISP 38 47 20 7 1 0 0 8 5 7 2 0 .149 .226 .170 .397
RISP w/2 Outs 18 15 8 2 0 0 0 2 2 2 0 0 .133 .235 .133 .369
Bases Loaded 6 2 5 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 .500 .500 .500 1.000
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
It's uncharacteristically bad.
He’s well below his usual production with RISP etc. From 2006-08, his line with RISP was .359/.415/.494. That’s troubling, but those numbers should get better as the season progresses.
u forgot the defensive stats
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
he is one of the 5 worst defensive players in baseball
according to all of em i thought
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
And I will never accept that
His normal range is less than a lot of other players. However he makes the occasional play you wouldn’t expect from an accumulative measurements point of view. I hope someday the big contract, dislodging Cat, and not being a 170 OPS+ type will be digested and dealt with. And FWIW, he won’t decline offensively as much as some trendlines suggest. But in the absence of other aspects of the Rangers to criticize, have at it. I think he can handle it, with aplomb.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jun 8, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Young has really stepped up this year
There is a lot of Young hatred around here, mostly because he has a ridiculously large contract, his offseason antics, and the fact he’s generally overrated.
But that shouldn’t take away from the fact that he’s been an integral part of this team so far. His playing a passable 3b has allowed Elvis (obviously the brightest thing about the 2009 Rangers) to play SS. His defense, while not good, has been better than what the team would have had at 3b otherwise and has let Elvis do his thing at SS. His offense has been above anyone’s wildest expectation. Anyone predicting a .380 OBP and .541 SLG pre-season would have been ridiculed (by me too) as being a Young homer. Between Hammy being injured and slumping, Kinsler and Blalock being notoriously streaky, and Davis not showing up this year; it’s easy to say that Young has kept this offense together this year.
Go Rice Owls!
Defense
It will be interesting to see how Young finishes statistically on defense. It would be encouraging if he improves as he gets more and more acclimated to the position.
Young
He’ll probably improve defensively, but regress offensively. That’s my guess anyway. I think most people figured he was going to have a difficult time transitioning to third base, given that he didn’t have much time to prepare for the move. I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t be an average third baseman eventually.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
I think it already has?
If I remember right, his UZR/150 has gone from like -40 in early-May down to -30 now in early June.
Could be SSS variance, or it could be he was really really bad to start (so the projection suggested -40 over the year) and has only been bad recently, and bucked the trend to produce -30.
But my point is, that while he is still accumulating negative runs, he’s accumulating them slower than before.
Please correct me if I’m misunderstanding the use of those stats.
Looking through some old posts
Young in the middle of May was worth -7 runs defensively. Through the end of May, his UZR was at -7.9 with a UZR/150 of -29.5. Right now he’s at -7.7 runs there and a UZR/150 of -21.5. It still looks awful, but he is showing some slight improvement statistically. Even more importantly, if he can just keep it at -7.7 runs, that’s a huge gain as the season has gone on, going from -30 runs per 150 games to only -7.7. And compared to last season, that’s also a massive improvement.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
A very dumb question about defensive stats (which I don't know anything about)
Of the measures that look at balls fielded/not fielded by certain players, do they take into account neighboring players? Say Young plays closer to the line because Andrus has giant range. Young gets fewer balls in the hole for that reason. I doubt this knocks down Young’s fielding numbers. How is that corrected for?
Go Rice Owls!
IIRC
It doesn’t go against Young, but goes towards Andrus. In the end though, Young wouldn’t be worth as many runs if Andrus range overlaps into Young’s zone, but for this case specifically, I’m guessing Andrus’ range just helps Young’s lack of range hurt him as much.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Someone wrote about this...
In relation to Chase Utley and Ryan Howard.
UZR gives +/- points to different zones, and thus if Young played closer to the line, he should get a higher + from that zone and a higher – from the zone that he can no longer reach.
If Andrus can then cover that zone, Andrus would get some + from that zone, cancelling out the run lost by Young.
That’s how I’ve read the statistic.
UZR
doesn’t account for positioning. and people are putting way too much stock into Young’s ratings at third 2 months into the season.
Man, I love winning! You know? It's like better than losing!
well yes and no
you cant ignore it, just like you cant ignore davis’ defense at 1b
is it something that is going to change, yes of course — but is it something that should be totally ignored/overlooked, def not
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
have to have a couple years
of data at least to even start making an argument based on uzr.
Man, I love winning! You know? It's like better than losing!
You're right, sort of
except Young’s ratings so far are very much in line with the rest of his career. I expect him to be closer to an average 3B by the end of the year, even if the UZR numbers don’t seem to say so. Some combo of UZR, +/- and other metrics will probably give us a good idea by the end of the year.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
what is FOTF's +/-
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
Ron Washington just given extension
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
re FOTF defense
from offseason:
john dewain:
Young cost the Rangers five runs at shortstop last year, which was actually his best year in the last three. If Andrus and Vizquel can save five to ten Defensive Runs, that will be an increase of 10 to 15 Defensive Runs Saved at shortstop. And if Young can play an average third base, that will be a gain of 26 Defensive Runs Saved at third. Altogether, this move could result in 36 to 41 Defensive Runs Saved for Texas..
Using the rule of thumb that 10 runs equals one win, that’s a possible increase of four wins on defense alone.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
Unfortunately
UZR/150 says he is on pace to cost them 21.5 Runs. So he will save only 4.5 runs.
Hopefully he improves dramatically the rest of the season.
"He (Padilla) shouldve gone back to Venezuela and watched on his Direct TV waiting to find out who his new team would be!!. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
200 hits a year (broken fingers 08 not included)
a Gold Glove at SS, he moves from 2nd to Short for the good of the team and from SS to 3rd again for the good of the team, WTF do the MY haters here want?
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
For him to play better defense
than a corpse
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
how about the fact that he isnt that good of a player
$10.1 (2 mil behind stephen drew, maarco scutaro and 3 mil behind christian guzman)
$8.8 (.1 ahead of brendan harris, .3 behind johnny peralta, 2 mil behind jack wilson, 2.2 behind khalil greene)
$13.9 (behind furcal by 1.3, ahead of omar vizquel)
$13.0 (.8 ahead of orlando cabrera, .3 behind bill hall)
2005 rangers:
teixeria @ 18.4
young @ 13.0
GMJ @ 10.8
2006 rangers:
GMJ @ 15.5
young @ 12.6
teixeria @ 11.5
2007 rangers:
lofton @ 11.0
byrd @ 10.3
young @ 8.8
teix @ 7.3
2008 rangers:
bradley at 20.0
kinsler @ 19.1
hamilton@ 18.2
byrd @ 15.8
young @ 10.1
did i also mention he is one of the 5 or so worst defensive players in baseball?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
As cool as Fangraphs really is ...
that site is really starting to piss me off. ; )
heh
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
You MAY have mentioned that...
but there’s no way he’s top 5…… Manny and Carlos Lee alone mean he only has to outplay 3 guys.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
dont have the stats in front of me
but yea, he was bottom 5 (heh called it top on accident) in the last 2-3 weeks
random, but:
2006-2008 worst defensive players by +/
derek jeter -68
manny -68
jermaine dye -72
patt burrell -73
2006-2008 best defensive player by +/
carlos beltran +59
adrian beltre +63
albert pujols +82
chase utley +85
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
Scout to KG: On Sandoval: "Man, that fat [expletive]-er can hit."
You're about to get flamed.
Your reference to MY’s GG will undoubtedly lead to a huge line of posts about how shitty MY was as a SS and how silly the basis for awarding GGs really is, supported by an avalanche of defensive statistical data. Be prepared to have your intelligence roundly criticized.
Also, and I’m one of the biggest MY homers on this board, he handled the move to 3rd like a world class douche. Since moving over, however, he’s busted his ass to be a good player there.
One of?
"He (Padilla) shouldve gone back to Venezuela and watched on his Direct TV waiting to find out who his new team would be!!. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
MY has been huge this year...
whether or not you like him, like the way he acted earlier this year, his contract, et al. The guy has produced so far and you can’t take that away form him.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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