Brandon McCarthy has a stress fracture in his shoulder, per the ticket.
Update: here is Anthony Andro's take
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and so it begins…
"Dear dumb ass folowers of FSMism,
There have been a lot of weird things that i have seen in my life before, but this tops them all. Do you really believe that there is/was such a thing as a flying spaghetti monster? Seriously, how fucking old are you? I know there’s such a thing as freedom of speech and expression, but this kinda shit should be banned. Theres is only one God and one Holy Word. Why dont you people get that? How much sense does it make to say that decreasing numbers of pirates lead to an increase in average global temperature? Is that science or some fifth grader trying to sound smart?"
–Sincerly,
ANONYMOUS
The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/)
by 8legs2fangs on Jun 8, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's start with
I told ya so.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s hilarious that you’d make a comment like that on the same day Nolan Ryan picked up Wash’s option.
by cstorm15 on Jun 8, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it was such a bold prediction!
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jun 8, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be careful
Don’t want to give yourself a stress fracture with all that back-patting.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Jun 8, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Nolan and his conditioning/pitch count edict
Remember, he’s the ultimate decider.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 8, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Mr. Sobchak
Still stand by this:
the Outlaw’s been coming around in recent weeks
by Anonymous New Guy on Jun 9, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How clairvoyant of you.
God, what an ignorant fool you are. Do you really think you were the only one on either the Newberg board or the LSB board who thought that McCarthy might be an injury risk? What a moron. At least a lot of us were hoping that he’d finally be free of this injury bug instead of delighting over a kid going down with another frustrating injury.
by Redcaps on Jun 9, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame
"He (Padilla) shouldve gone back to Venezuela and watched on his Direct TV waiting to find out who his new team would be!!. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on Jun 8, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You should blame his follow-through.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Mark Conner
just because
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 8, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LIGHTEN UP
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 8, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
link
"Dear dumb ass folowers of FSMism,
There have been a lot of weird things that i have seen in my life before, but this tops them all. Do you really believe that there is/was such a thing as a flying spaghetti monster? Seriously, how fucking old are you? I know there’s such a thing as freedom of speech and expression, but this kinda shit should be banned. Theres is only one God and one Holy Word. Why dont you people get that? How much sense does it make to say that decreasing numbers of pirates lead to an increase in average global temperature? Is that science or some fifth grader trying to sound smart?"
–Sincerly,
ANONYMOUS
The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/)
by 8legs2fangs on Jun 8, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LMAO...
Done.
Looks like it’s time for that move to the bullpen…
by N41D on Jun 8, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yep...
and now we have our answer as to where Holland will be pitching from…
"Dear dumb ass folowers of FSMism,
There have been a lot of weird things that i have seen in my life before, but this tops them all. Do you really believe that there is/was such a thing as a flying spaghetti monster? Seriously, how fucking old are you? I know there’s such a thing as freedom of speech and expression, but this kinda shit should be banned. Theres is only one God and one Holy Word. Why dont you people get that? How much sense does it make to say that decreasing numbers of pirates lead to an increase in average global temperature? Is that science or some fifth grader trying to sound smart?"
–Sincerly,
ANONYMOUS
The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/)
by 8legs2fangs on Jun 8, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The unfortunate part...
is that Benson will probably stick around.
by cjcheng on Jun 8, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/06/brandon-mccarthy-has-stress-fracture-in-1.html
"Dear dumb ass folowers of FSMism,
There have been a lot of weird things that i have seen in my life before, but this tops them all. Do you really believe that there is/was such a thing as a flying spaghetti monster? Seriously, how fucking old are you? I know there’s such a thing as freedom of speech and expression, but this kinda shit should be banned. Theres is only one God and one Holy Word. Why dont you people get that? How much sense does it make to say that decreasing numbers of pirates lead to an increase in average global temperature? Is that science or some fifth grader trying to sound smart?"
–Sincerly,
ANONYMOUS
The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/)
by 8legs2fangs on Jun 8, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
Now we don’t have to worry about Holland leaving the rotation.
I’m not as bothered about this, given the way Milly and Feldman have been anchoring things thus far. Just keep throwing Holland and Harrison out there.
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Thursdays 10 PM - 1 AM on FM 88.7 The Choice
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by Maximilian on Jun 8, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
Just leave Holland in the rotation… It’s where he belongs… No point in jerking him back and forth when something like this happens…
Just go out and find yourself a bullpen arm through trade…
by N41D on Jun 8, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, that was my first thought
that now Holland just stays in the roto.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jun 8, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And really...
I think this bullpen is one real arm from being pretty damn good anyways, assuming Frankie gets healthy…
With O’Day, CJ, and Frankie, they’re in good shape late in games… Jennings has been pretty good, too… Add someone like Jose Valverde and we’re looking at a bullpen that can pretty much shut things down… 5 good bullpen arms would set this team up pretty nicely, even if the starting pitching regresses some…
by N41D on Jun 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
bullpen arm it is.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 8, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine wouldn't pitch for the Rangers
if Hicks delivered him five million dollars worth of gold bars into an untaxable Swiss bank safety deposit box.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 8, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think Glavine
after 22 seasons in the National League East is going to switch leagues and go pitch in what is widely considered (regardless of how accurate an assumption) one of the worst parks to pitch in? For what will likely be his final season in the big leauges? When he now desperately wants to prove that the Braves were wrong in saying he can’t get batters out anymore?
Now, I think Glavine could probably do pretty well in Texas, given that the Ballpark is typically better for lefties than for righties, that the AL West is pretty week offensively, and he’d get a shot at the postseason.
But it won’t happen. Guys like Glavine just don’t switch leagues and contexts in their last season.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 8, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guys like glavine don't always have a shit ton of choices
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Glavine retires before he becomes a Ranger
I could be wrong. But I’d be very surprised – not upset – but very very surprised.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 8, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't understand why nothing is better than pitching for the rangers
we’re that embarassing? texas sucks that much? he’s that bad at making new friends?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
your argument is based on a 42-year-old pitcher’s desire to have good stats? I figure he wouldn’t mind getting into a playoff race.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan Ryan Rules!
Or not? Or does he?
McCarthy reached his highest pitch total ever two starts ago.
Probably inevitable.
by 3Bagger on Jun 8, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Then look at it...
…as a weeding out process.
Culling the weaker arms who’d undoubtedly get injured sooner or later.
by Black Francis on Jun 8, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darwinism in Arlington
I’m okay with that. Better now than during an intense Playoff stretch. Something about McCarthy as a starter just doesn’t seem to work.
by 3Bagger on Jun 8, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's actually a Dusty Baker quote, verbatim.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Chris Davis will be fine. Relax.
by thedirkatron on Jun 8, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if youre left with 3 starters?
not everyone can throw 120 pitches
by Horns130 on Jun 8, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really liked how B-Mac was pitching the last 4 starts or whatever it was
He looked good against the Yankees even, just had a bad inning that didn’t worry me.
This is very disappointing.
Thankfully Harrison coming back alleviates this as we don’t have to have a pure scrub pitching in the rotation yet, but its disappointing none the less.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jun 8, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Hunter
I think I would rather see Tommy that Mathis….
Keepin it Classy Gentlemen
by Hamiltons Homey on Jun 8, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In OKC?
I assume, he still feels like more of an unkown quantity that the usual suspects.
Keepin it Classy Gentlemen
by Hamiltons Homey on Jun 8, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot it was only 38 pitches
I suppose he’s still an option.
by cstorm15 on Jun 8, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone know why he was pulled early?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 8, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't figure it out at the time
Never saw that he had a muscle tweak or a ball hit him or anything like that. Makes you think they were keeping their options open (just in general).
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jun 8, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh..
Feels like someone aired up a balloon and then let it go…
by bhudson on Jun 8, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Better than getting stuck in a deflating balloon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fWzXNhfoQ8
www.mavsmoneyball.com
by Wes Cox on Jun 8, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the question becomes
does he go to the bullpen to save his shoulder?
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by Maximilian on Jun 8, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thereby negating the needed trade for
a righty set-up guy? Could work, I suppose.
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Jun 8, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could he be trusted as a long man?
2-3 inning bursts seem ideal for him.
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by Maximilian on Jun 8, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCarthy isn't coming back until September
with THAT injury.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean an injury that takes a couple of weeks to heal?
Weird point of view.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My understanding is that it is at least an 8 week injury, no?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a broken bone.
Stress fractures are tiny cracks that hurt like hell. They heal pretty fast when you don’t agitate them. Two to three weeks of rest. Then probably a two or three start rehab stint. I’d guess about 5 weeks.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think he comes back into the rotation?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably.
As long as he keeps pitching, the healed bone will be stronger than before. The bone will weaken with too much rest (akin to atrophy in a muscle, kind of like osteoporosis).
The big question is where in the scapula the injury is. The only other reported scapula stress fracture in a pitcher was on the lateral border near the attachment of of the teres minor muscle (a rotator cuff muscle used for external rotation). I assume (potentially incorrectly) that this is where McCarthy’s injury is.
The plus side is that this means his rotator cuff is stronger than his bones.
The study doesn’t name the pitcher, but I believe it was Kris Benson. Irony, I guess.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Ticket
says he is out several weeks.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is McCarthy's second stress fracture in the shoulder
Isn’t there a good chance that this is chronic?
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 8, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
help me here
Is it just bad luck for him to have the same injury, one that is not at all common for pitchers, or is something about the anatomy of his shoulder predispose him to this type injury?
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 8, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Height (i.e. mechanical inconsistencies)?
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by WestTxAg06 on Jun 8, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quirk in his follow-through.
Perhaps a diet too low in calcium. The theory I have is based on what I know from the only other reported case of a scapula stress fracture in a pitcher. McCarthy’s case might be different.
In the case I read, the prevailing theory was that the attachment of the teres minor muscle caused the stress fracture. This muscle is used maximally right after the throw to slow down the arm’s internal rotation.
The idea is that the tendon pulls harder on the bone than the bone can withstand.
Either his curveball is the cause, or his bone has weakened since the previous stress fracture.
It’s also possible that he’s just stronger than the last time this happened – like if the bone didn’t get weaker, but his teres minor got stronger.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, going forward
his delivery is going to have to be reworked, or he is always going to be susceptible to this same injury?
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 8, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say without knowing the exact mechanism of injury.
He’d probably be better off re-working some of his core action. I think scap loading may have played a role in this.
I’m going to start working on an article that summarizes my thoughts, not sure if it will go to BBTiA or TexasLeaguers… kind of a coin flip. If it’s too technical, I’ll TL it.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Potentially, but not likely.
The problem is a comparatively weak bone; that’s how stress fractures happen.
Calcium would help strengthen the bone, but we don’t know how much he already consumers or if increased bone strength would totally fix the issue.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Daniels is simply being conservative
when he tells the local press that McCarthy won’t pick up a ball for several weeks?
by Snark on Jun 8, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Several" is probably an overstatement.
Not touching a ball is probably a good idea. Several weeks would probably push it a little far. They might play it super cautious here, so there’s no telling how long he’ll really be out.
My guess above was 2-3 weeks for the stress fracture to heal, then 2-3 rehab starts. If they wait 4 weeks, he might need to rebuild some strength before going on a rehab assignment.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the point
I don’t know that that would be any easier on his shoulder than starting would be.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 8, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And by the way, good thing noone took padilla
we need him now
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jun 8, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i know
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Jun 8, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD-Padilla
In fact, had someone taken him, then this, JD might look pretty foolish. Not that I care.
by 3Bagger on Jun 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we acquired another starter with the freed up payroll...
Just how foolish would he look?
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Jun 8, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
still pretty dumb
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jun 9, 2009 3:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I view this as nothing more than losing a 5th starter so hopefully we don't skip
a beat but going forward, Brandon McCarthy’s effeminate ass needs to be in the bully.
Got it?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately,
the “bully” would be more stress than starting unless he’s going to be a long reliever who sits around for weeks on end before he pitches.
by Redcaps on Jun 8, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre a dumbfuck
he has been very good oftentimes this year
also, Holland in the rotation scares me right now…everyone is lighting him up right now
by Horns130 on Jun 8, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today has been an interesting day so far
by Telegraph on Jun 8, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If by interesting
you mean shitty, then yes this has been an interesting day.
by Hull Fan on Jun 8, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't good...
the injuries are starting to pile up.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 8, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shocking
What next, Hank?
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Jun 8, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is definitely due
in the next month or so.
"He (Padilla) shouldve gone back to Venezuela and watched on his Direct TV waiting to find out who his new team would be!!. ." - crops.mlblogs.com
by DJCahill on Jun 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad thing is
that the Rangers really don’t have anyone to replace him.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 8, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock?
Anybody with a pulse and half a clue about baseball could replace him. Go get Franco, wherever he’s at. He could probably even do it.
by Black Francis on Jun 8, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are undervaluing blalock
he’s not that bad lately
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well nobody in the minors
has stepped up this year to make the case that they could replace him
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 8, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So there's this kid we have in the minors...
…and he’s kind of good. Some would say he “Smoaks” the ball.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jun 8, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some would also say...
he has only played a month of AA ball and is on the DL right now.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 8, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if he gets non-tendered this winter now
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
eventful day, Wash, Hamilton, McCarthy.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jun 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad things happen in threes
I never know what happens after that
by oc on Jun 8, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Francisco
has already been unavailable long enough to qualify for me. I am not a superstitious fool, though. That 3 thing is stupid.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jun 9, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think one could argue that extending Wash was #3.
(ducks)
If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball. - Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 10, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glassman Breaketh
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Jun 8, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I was just beginning to forget that BMac is and always will be about to get injured.
Stomach punch.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jun 8, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody going to hang this on Mark Conner?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHUT UP YOU DOUCHE!!!
Just stop. There is no point in this crap. Everyone here knew there was a good chance that he got hurt again. And everyone here says that the trade has sucked for us! But please, shut up already!! Your bit is old and tiring!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jun 8, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This part isn't a bit. Chill.
Lots of people tried to blame Connor for McCarthy’s struggles.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There may be some truth to it, too
But he was injured before he got here, probably, has been injured most of the time he’s been here, and will be injured for the duration of his baseball career more often than not. My guess, anyway.
The guy just can’t hack it. He should never see a rotation spot again. You never know…maybe he can be a damn good late inning reliever if he has the taste for it.
by Black Francis on Jun 8, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I need to shut up when I'm right after taking a ton
of shit from people in here saying that Brandon McCarthy shouldn’t be a starter?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three quarters of the time you don't respond when you're wrong...
So, yeah…
by N41D on Jun 8, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was nothing wrong withe the "Healthy" BMac as a starter this year.
Hey was your 4-5 starter and was fine as your 4-5 starter. No one said he was a TORP this year. We all hoped and expected him to be when the trade happened, but he was fine as our 5th starter. But yes, he should have been a starter to begin the year, when he was healthy.
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jun 8, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell does it matter if the best he can do is make 12 starts before getting hurt?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are 12 starts you don't have to worry about someone like Benson making.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has one us 5 games.
And of the 5 that were no decisions, 3 were wins. Thats 8 games where he wither pitched very solid for the win or good enough to keep us in the game. Do you think the likes of Benson could/would have done that???
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jun 8, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we would have been much better off realizing
he didn’t have it in him to ever be a starter who could take the ball every 5th day and put him in the bully.
Donuts would have had to swallow hard and publicly admit he screwed the pooch in dealing Danks but it would have been the best use of this resource.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Benson being in the rotation
over that same time would have helped us more than McCarthy.
Got it.
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by Maximilian on Jun 8, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers weren't required
to have Benson on this team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then who does your almighty smartness think/sugges would have been here instead of both McCarthy and Benson??
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jun 8, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gil Meche?
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jun 8, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People...
that take pleasure in certain players not perfoming well or getting hurt on the team they cheer for amaze me.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 8, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't rooting for McCarthy to get hurt.
I just think he was miscast as a starter in The Show and that his body was rejecting the notion he could ever do it.
I always thought he should be in the bully. He’d never be great or ever measure up to John Danks but I considered him to be still useful.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Ranger baseball life
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
by AirJordan on Jun 8, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT
Rhyner just teased next segment as “message board talk”
Hmmmmm.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jun 8, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So when he does come back
Does this mean we are back to the slurve =p?
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by DSheppard on Jun 8, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He never stopped throwing the slurve.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*exclusively to the slurve
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you know what I meant
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by DSheppard on Jun 8, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What on earth is wrong with that? I think you know what I meant.
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by DSheppard on Jun 8, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like before, man.
My comment is based only on what you said. If you don’t like it, I don’t give a rat’s ass.
I’m done with this conversation.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 8, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, I don't even know what to say.
Ok buddy, cya.
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by DSheppard on Jun 8, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood/Padilla/Feldman/Harrison/Holland
eh.. You could get by with that.
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by AirJordan on Jun 8, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
as long as nobody else goes down
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
next tier
Mathis, Hunter, Moscoso, ???
yeah, I agree
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jun 8, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
P E D R O
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
by AirJordan on Jun 8, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
N O !
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 8, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Not to sound harsh, but this really isn’t so bad. Jerking Holland between the pen and the rotation was never a good idea and this nips that practice in the bud. Now Holland actually has a few months of consistent rotation time to work with.
McCarthy would be decent in the pen too IMO.
by LiamP on Jun 8, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we can satisfy F face's Holland boner.
2 birds with one stone.
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by AirJordan on Jun 8, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just read Trip's post
Few months month and a bit.
by LiamP on Jun 8, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is probably the best part of this
that Holland doesn’t get shuttled again between starting and relieving. I have been getting pretty uncomfortable with that.
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by Brett Perryman on Jun 8, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesnt Holland actually need to do well though?
Has he not more or less sucked
even the crappy red sox lineup got to him
im sorry if im not willing to just ignore actual results like some of you
by Horns130 on Jun 8, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more worried about the confidence hit McCarthy is about to take with this
he might never touch his curveball again
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case...
the Rangers may as well just cut bait with him now. A pitcher who throws high 80’s with an occasional changeup isn’t going to be a decent starter. McCarthy needs that curveball.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 8, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I just realized
this is like the 4th time that a pitcher goes down as another pitcher is coming off the DL.
If it happens one more time, I call shenanigans
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I realized no one put the obvious here. B-Mac Injured?
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by Maximilian on Jun 8, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shit.
He was finally pitching well enough that the Danks-lovers were shutting the hell up. Now they’ll be back in force like a recurring outbreak of blog herpes.
by Athos on Jun 8, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does danks have to pitch well for that to occur?
If this McCarthy injury is just a 3 week thing, then whatever. All of our other starters have gotten injured for some amount of time this year.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ranks lovers?
You mean those who wish we had a #1 starter like Danks over a scrub, brittle pitcher like Mccarthy?
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 8, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Danks has been SO lights out there year. I think we have 3 or 4 pitches with better numbers than Danks so far!!
But again, good call!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jun 8, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't see any mention of danks
until your post.
Man, I love winning! You know? It's like better than losing!
by SteveP on Jun 8, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
I miss Eric Hurley more than ever.
by behindthebag on Jun 8, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who?
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by Maximilian on Jun 8, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Karros?
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
by FirebatM3 on Jun 8, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for the 2nd tier prospects to step up
Captain Wonderful, Kasey Kiker, Poveda, et al.
Some one step up!
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
by FirebatM3 on Jun 8, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
step up in the minors?
that makes us feel better about the majors?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jun 8, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Weird Stat mentioned by Tom Verducci...
Since 2003, there are only 4 pitchers in the National League that have more W’s than Jason Marquis.
Really, really, really odd.
by cmkelly29 on Jun 8, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jews dominate...
…international competitive canoeing and baseball (soon).
by Black Francis on Jun 8, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Case in point for the worthlessness of wins as a meaningful performance evaluation
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on Jun 8, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
paging Neftali
Sure would be nice if everything comes together for him in the next few weeks.
"He's old school in that he give up his groin like that. It hurt me when he do that" -- Worsh on Chris Davis' stretch at first base to end the game vs. the Angels on 5/16
by tricer on Jun 8, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But...
my screen saver says Feliz/Holland 2010.
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by slc ranger on Jun 8, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Change waits for no one.
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by Maximilian on Jun 8, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the year they finish 1-2 in cy young
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by DSheppard on Jun 8, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any by 1-2 you mean "2nd and 3rd behind Feldman"?
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
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by WestTxAg06 on Jun 8, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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by Maximilian on Jun 8, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get Halladay/Wang/Peavy while we're at it!
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by Maximilian on Jun 8, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
apparently the BoSox would laugh at the Rangers and hang up the phone unles the Rangers offered them Smoak, Feliz, Holland, Perez, Salty and Kinsler. Haven’t you heard he is going to be the best pitcher in the bigs?
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by slc ranger on Jun 8, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we've been talking about him for almost a full year now
and everyone still butchers his name
by Fireal20 on Jun 8, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Lord
You see pitchers who have several injury plagued seasons and go on to good careers, while others never get out of the trainers room. One more year of this and it’s walking papers for McCarthy. I was furious the day Danks was traded for this guy but had hopes for him. It now looks like he simply doesn’t have the physical resilience to be a big league pitcher. At least White Sox fans are happy.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 8, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shut
Up.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jun 8, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice retort jacksss
Good to see the McCarthy/Daniels apologists are still out there.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 8, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you were furious
because even through all those mediocre minor league numbers, you just KNEW he would turn into the TORP he is was
by Fireal20 on Jun 8, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They abandoned their plan
That was what pissed me off. Danks had good minor league numbers, but all we heard was DVD and how it was the future of the Rangers, then they traded the best of it away for a guy who couldn’t even keep his spot in the, albeit championship, rotation.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jun 8, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why not Pedro?
everybody dismisses it, but can anybody give me a negative of signing him? I say you could be pretty good come October if you could figure something out with 3 of the following Millwood, Sheets, Pedro, Padilla and two of the following Feldman, Holland, Harrison, B-Mac that could make for a pretty sturdy playoff 5
by blueballlefty on Jun 8, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Pedro ain't Pedro no more.
If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball. - Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 8, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Pedro ain’t been Pedro for a while now.
I love Pedro and think he’s the greatest righty of his generation, but he’s not dominant any more and he’s more fragile than McCarthy.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
by WestTxAg06 on Jun 8, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
"if my kid said 'uhh' that much, i would say, Hey! ... stop saying 'uhh' that much..." - dennis miller
by Longhorn on Jun 8, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, on the bright side
Holland gets to stay in the rotation, where he needs to be.
The downside is, we’ve just lost the rotations third-best tRA+. Although, ironically enough, Hollands three starts have been worth an 82 tRA+, actually higher than McCarthy’s 79.
If you can't watch Holland and see that he's going to be awesome, you probably shouldn’t be watching baseball. - Section 339
by lonestarJon on Jun 8, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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