Domed AC Stadium
by masonmitchell44 on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 PM CDT
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PrintWith the blistering brick oven heat at the ballpark at an all-time high this year, I like to bring up a topic that most baseball diehards hate, but I feel I need to bring it up. Its the air conditioned domed stadium. There is no question about it, the Rangers should have this feature at their stadium, but they dont. An AC domed stadium would bring up attendance immediately and more attendance means more dollars, and it would make the Rangers a more enticing player in the free agent market. I think it is a factor as to why they struggle a bit as a franchise, and in a pitcher's eyes the rangers look like an unattractive small market team whenever they are in fact a major market team. If you got the same contract offer to pitch where the heat is 100 degrees during the season, or 75-85 degrees, which would you choose? Obviously you would choose 75-85 degree weather. There are two climates I consider to be the same at the Rangers, and that is Arizona and Houston. GO FIGURE, THEY BOTH HAVE AC DOMED STADIUMS. The Marlins are having one built for them very soon. That leaves the Atlanta Braves as the only other hot climate team with an outdoor ballpark. However, I checked the weather on my iphone for Atlanta and Arlington and Atlanta has been ten degrees cooler. Their success has also been tangent on having three of the best pitchers of the last century in their rotation. Also, you cant say they didnt have this technology at the time the ballpark was built because Toronto had a retractable roof. Thoughts?
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My thoughts?
It ain’t gonna happen for at least 10-20 more years, so its not worth wasting breath or fanposts on.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I was at the game last night
even with the temperature down at least 10-15 degrees from the usual 100’s, it was still muggy and gross.
It’s gotten to the point where you have to enjoy being tanked, sweating, getting garlic everywhere … it’s part of the ballpark experience.
That and watching MY adjust his jock 32 times a game.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Monday night was actually very pleasant – high 80s and a nice breeze. Last night was just disgusting. No breeze at all, and humid as hell.
You also have to learn to love that revolting “ballpark smell” that’s evident at least in the upper deck as the weather gets hotter.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
why sit in the upper deck
20k there. sit where u want
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Heh, believe it or not
I was accosted by I believe the nametag read “Rick Barrett” for misplacing my ticket. My friend had his, but I had to go on a field hunt for mine — later finding it with the rally towel promotion people I had left it with. It kind of leaves a damper on things when you miss Kinsler and Byrd’s first inning bombs.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
....
Sunday evening was miserable at the Ballpark. They screwed the pooch when they did not include a retractable roof in the original design.
I was at the game last Saturday night
and it really wasn’t that uncomfortable, even though the temperature read 98. Perhaps it’s the fact that I’ve been living in Houston the past 7 years and I am used to hot weather (plus humidity).
Living in Houston, I don’t make it to as many Rangers games as I’d like, but the hot night games haven’t been a problem for me. The worst are the day games (generally on Sundays) during summer heat…especially sitting anywhere along the first base side or left outfield.
Frankly, I prefer the outdoor venue. While Minutemaid is nice, it just seems sterile when the roof is closed…I’m much rather have shade and a nice view of downtown Houston (the courthouse etc). Plus, the stars at night are big and bright…
by RyanBlueThunder on Jul 1, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
What does
getting garlic everywhere mean? Are you worried about vampires?
That's why they call them business sox
Vampires
If they’re anything like the ones on True Blood, I’m not worried about them at all. Pam or Jessica could bite me anytime.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
I assume he's referring to the new concession hit
the garlic fries
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jul 2, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
This made me laugh
“That and watching MY adjust his jock 32 times a game.” We should start a MY-Jock-Watch-Pool. The winner is the one who correctly predicts how many adjustments MY makes on camera during a game. I’ll go with 4 for tonight.
haha
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That would make a good drinking game
if the idea of drinking while watching someone adjust their jock wasn’t so off-putting.
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Everyone would be throwing up constantly.
Tolerance be damned.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
is there (anywhere) an example of retrofitting a non-domed park into a domed stadium?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
None
that I know of. Definitely not in baseball.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
therefore
its really n/a to even have this convo
but it will come up anouther 165987465138 times i bet
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
Yes
It’s been in the news recently: Wimbledon
And, it only cost $32,000,000 (for a stadium of 15,000)! I bet that’s why the Rangers won’t take on any salary…because they are saving up almost $1,000,000,000 to put a roof on The Ballpark.
"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs
lol
For a billion, you might as well start over and build a new ballpark from scratch. In Downtown Dallas. or maybe Fort Worth.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I think the price they've researched is 250-300 million dollars
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So if they hadn't signed ...
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't the NFL try to get the Chiefs to do that
It was something about hosting a Super Bowl……I think they told them that if they’d put a dome over Arrowhead then they’d guarantee them a Super Bowl but the Chiefs basically laughed it off.
I've won the same lifetime achievement award twice....yes I'm the Most Interesting Man in the World
Yep
Arrowhead is big enough for a SB but the weather in KC in February sucks balls. A dome and they would probably join NO, Pasadena, and Tampa as regular SB host sites
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Why do we get this same fanpost
every few weeks? The ballpark is 15 years old and a new one will not be built for a very long time, even with a new owner.
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It's just hard not to think about
when you’re miserable at the game.
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jul 2, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll grant that
I feel the same at Frisco some games, though for some reason it feels a bit less overwhelming there for me.
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It definitely feels less overwhelming at Frisco for me
particularly compared with sitting in the lower section around the plate. That is a sauna, with the cut-off air circulation and all. I’ll never forget this year’s opening day, when it was in the 50s, and I was freezing when I went out in the concourse, but I came away sunburned from the oven behind the plate.
Bob Sturm doesn't like baseball.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 2, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
ive said it before and i'll say it again
isn’t there a huge new air conditioned stadium that’s right next door to Rangers ballpark? i’m sure they can find a way to fit a baseball field in there between memorial and labor day.
genius
Well, maybe genius isn’t the right word….
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 1, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The Finances just dont add up
lets say you doubled attendance due to a retractable dome from 2M peeps to 4M peeps. your profits from increased attendance would still take 20 odd years just to earn the amount spent on the loans for the 100M+ it would cost to put the bitch on.
it doesnt make financial sense
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
That's why you try to get the taxpayers to foot the bill.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
and thats clearly going to work in this economic time
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
hell, just pump a/c down on the field
cool air sinks, right? field is enclosed on all sides. gitter done.
el foldo
It's been a long time since we've had a fanpost bitching about the stadium not being in Arlington
someone needs to get on with that.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
whoops not being in Dallas
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 1, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Once again, simple solution
Build a roman velarium over the ballpark:
by cstorm15 on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
how would this effect the wind w/in the park?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
Not a clue.
Probably reduce the wind to some extent coming over the top of the stadium from right field and thus reducing the jet stream. The velarium would most likely be vented to let a fair amount of wind through.
It'd be
fairly tough to do with the irregular outline of RBiA.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
The irregular outline isn't a problem
The lengths of the ropes are adjustable. In Roman days, the sailors would adjust the ropes and move the center ring anywhere in the coliseum depending on the location of the sun. In the ballpark, you could just have an irregular outline and adjust the lengths of the ropes.
The biggest engineering problem I see is that a velarium would block the lights. One idea would be to move the velarium posts to the outside of the stadium and then have the lights under the awning, but this would be much more expensive.
If the Rays ever get a new ballpark, it will have an awning:
That looks
almost like the Montreal covering that was such a disaster.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Here is a picture
They had many issues over the years, and finally abandoned and kept the fabric on the roof year round.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
The velarium
It’s made by Romans- and you know the Romans always make good stuff!
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
Hell yeah...
and then during the off season they can flood the stadium and have naval battles there too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 1, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I might go to a game
that had some sort of Gladiator or Caligula promo.
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Ahh yes, good 'ol little boots...
now there was an Emperor who went nucking futs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
im in for some lions eating christians
especially if i can bet on it
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Too bad they didn't take this suggestion
for Texas Stadium. I think it was Mike Rhyner’s idea?
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jul 2, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
An AC domed stadium would bring up attendance immediately and more attendance means more dollars, and it would make the Rangers a more enticing player in the free agent market.
So would naked cheerleaders between innings but it ain’t happening so quit wasting our time talking about it.
I've won the same lifetime achievement award twice....yes I'm the Most Interesting Man in the World
by Bezekira on Jul 1, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why hasn't that been discussed more?
Naked cheerleaders between innings is a wonderful idea.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So what else do we have to talk about bezekira? It’s july, and the only team we have to watch is the rangers.
by masonmitchell44 on Jul 1, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
how about you talk about you actually make a fanpost about the team instead of some tired argument that has been posted 100 times?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
I'm struggling with my typing today haha
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
but we got that crazy drawing out of it
that alone was worth the topic.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
+1
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
man when its 105 degrees
ill take a dome over naked cheerleaders. i may be gay, but ill hit up chicas locas after my game in the dome and get win win out of it
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
15 dollar cover BYOB
its kinda cool, and every1 else is so hardcore they just figure you are to and they leave you the fuck alone. its pretty wild, but i never really been fucked with there
anyway, go with a couple buddies and youre ok. its a great place to watch footy BTW.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Atlanta might be cooler than Arlington RIGHT NOW but historically, Atlanta is quite hot
It’s also even more humid there, making it muggier and more uncomfortable. Arizona is not the same climate as north Texas because it’s hotter but it’s a dry heat.
Yes i know you dont have to get technical about weather types. My point is that you wouldnt not want to play a ball game in Arizona at 7:05 much less 1:05 in the summer heat, much like ARLINGTON
by masonmitchell44 on Jul 1, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
North Texas is much more humid that the desert.
That’s why North Texas isn’t a desert. We may not get the kind of humidity that Atlanta does, bu it’s not too far off with our prevailing southerly winds coming off the Gulf. And it does get a lot hotter here temperature wise. Summer begins earlier here and ends later, too.
by Black Francis on Jul 1, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Go to this website and choke on your own words please
by masonmitchell44 on Jul 1, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Arlington is Hotter
But you didn’t do anything to help your argument there because all that graph displays is temperature.
by Black Francis on Jul 1, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I might be in the minority
but i love me some outdoor baseball, even in the heat… I would definitely go to less games if it was gonna be indoors, its just nearly the same atmosphere and feel. I didnt like Minute Maid indoors when i went and I love the look of RBiA, no change is needed in my book
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I agree, really
Though I’ve never seen a baseball game indoors. Except on TV.
I think it would be better to find a way to change the weather, actually.
by Black Francis on Jul 1, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
how many games will you goto this summer?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Even if we could finance the addition of a dome
and get the dome built during the off-season, do we really want to watch indoor baseball during the middle four months of the season? In Houston they close the dome if its 87 or greater at game time. If we used that rule here, mid-May to mid-Sept we’d have indoor ball. The indoor baseball atmosphere just is not very good other than it being cooler.
retractable? sure
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I know I'd go to more games
Arlington, TX: home of The Blue Blur
by Brett Perryman on Jul 2, 2009 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the title of this should be...
…doomed stadium…
"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move." - Satchel Paige
"Josh Hamilton doesn't act like he is Josh Hamilton. He acts like a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy named Josh Hamilton." - Jason Parks
You know, I'd be up for early morning baseball.
First pitch 4:30am. I would like for the Rangers to implement this immediately.
Meh
Then a loss would ruin my attitude for the entire day at work, instead of just the morning after when everyone comes by my desk to ask me “what the hell happened to the Rangers?”
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
That would be ... awesome.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 1, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You should make this a fanpost
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 1, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No no no
Start at midnight.
As a night person, I can handle games ending at 3-330, and I can keep my buzz.
What kind of masochist wants to be anywhere but their crib or knocking boots at 5 in the morning?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
You live here?
It’s still hot at midnight.
I wasn’t being serious, but it would be the only way to beat the heat. Playing early ass pre-dawn morning games.
by Black Francis on Jul 1, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
With global warming
it will be 110 at 4:30 in the morning by the time Elvis retires, and Dallas might be on the coast.
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ahh yes,
global warming……..
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
Well, that's the reason they are called the Texas Rangers.
When global warming puts Dallas on the coast, there will be no more Houston.
dude…this should seriously replace your matt bush sig line
What kind of masochist wants to be anywhere but their crib or knocking boots at 5 in the morning?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
I do need a new signature
But only douchenozzles [cough longhorn cough] quote themselves in their signature.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
I'd go for that
I could hear most of the game during my hour long commute each morning
I've won the same lifetime achievement award twice....yes I'm the Most Interesting Man in the World
Make it happen
The team is for sale, so all you have to do is buy them and make the domed stadium a reality. If it’s such a good idea and will increase revenues so dramatically, I’m sure you’ll make a killing.
Or were you wanting someone else to take on the risk and do the work while you carp from the sidelines?
Domes suck.
If you want a stadium with a roof on it that bad, build a new freaking stadium with a retractable roof like Minute Maid or Safeco.
But don’t turn the RBiA into another Trop.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
they love safeco in SEA
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
I wouldn't go on principle then
They charge, what, $80 for parking your car? I’m sure it wouldn’t be that high for a baseball game but to charge that much anytime is fucking greedy as hell. The cowboys and their giant new stadium can sink straight to hell as far as I’m concerned.
by Black Francis on Jul 2, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions
somewhat OT
but looking for some attendance records and can you believe the rockies drew an AVERAGE of 55,350 per game in 2003. AVERAGE of 55k. wow.
i was hoping the rangers could set some kind of MLB record for attendance by having a game at jerryworld, but looking into it i found out that cowboys stadium only can 80,000 (up to 100,000) vs the record of 115,300 in a dodgers vs red sox game in 2008
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
wasn't that the exhibition game at the LA Coliseum last year?
I've won the same lifetime achievement award twice....yes I'm the Most Interesting Man in the World
baseball indoors
it sucks. You wussies need to man up. You ladies too!
+1
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Easy to say that
when you don’t have to go and get baked at the day games.
Bob Sturm doesn't like baseball.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 2, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I used to have
a mini season tickets for Rangers games when I lived in Plano. They used to only have day games in April and September, and those weren’t bad.
I’ve yet to see a dome or convertidome thats as good for watching baseball as an outdoor park.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
there are these new fandangled things
called retractable domes, its pretty great, theyve been around for a decade or so…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
how many games you go to a year?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
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