Halladay Trade to Philly Imminent?
David Pinto passes along a Twitter post on Halladay possibly being dealt to Philly today.
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Pretty amazed
After hearing Law just disparage the Phillies system as a candidate to acquire Halladay, wow.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions
I'd rather him go to an AL team that we play 2 more times this year
I love it when the Rangers face Halladay – he’s the only top tier pitcher in the league this team crushes.
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Huh
A link to a link to a twitter.
Assuming it gets done, what is the return? Drabek has to be involved, right? Do the Phils take on Wells as well?
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And there you go..
Glass now says rumor was bogus:
There goes any + all of my credibility
Trade for Ian Snell.
No way I trade Smoak.
Feliz yes with others.
I dunno, really.
I haven’t thought about it because I don’t want to trade Feliz.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
My offer would be
Feliz, Teagarden, Harrison, and Beltre
Add
their choice of Teagarden or Salty. 3 from Borbon, Kiker, Beavan, Boscan, Vallejo, Lemon, Poveda, Madrigal, Beltre
by Michael Cave on Jul 10, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck that
With your deal you could possibly give up:
Feliz
Salt/TT
Beavan
Boscan
Kiker (whoever)
WTF
why dont we just call ourselves the fuckin braves and deal our entire fuckin farm
what do you think it would take?
we are going to have to give up A LOT to get the best pitcher in the game with a great contract and we will have him for all of next yr. That isnt our entire farm. Go brush on the depth of the system then get back to me. We still have Smoak, Font, Salty/TT, Perez, Holland, Purke (assuming we sign him), Scheppers (same), Borbon, Wieland, Beltre, MaxRam, Ross, Erlin (same). Even after that deal we would have a top 10 system.
by Michael Cave on Jul 10, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Im aware of our system ass
you just gave up a #1 starter…a AS caliber C…2 #2s and then a throw in guy with upside
that is ridiculous
please never make fun of ATL ever again if you think this would be a good trade to make
What if you could get him to sign
an extension?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
I would too
If you can get Halladay for Feliz and Smoak or Davis I do it.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Funny how things change in less than a year
Last year we all thought Davis was a God with a willow switch in his hand. This year you would think he doesn’t even have a chance to sniff the bigs ever again.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Well
We should not be so knee jerkish one way or the other. The kid is going to hit.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Sure he'll hit
I don’t think he’s going to monster that some think he is.
My best guess is that he becomes Henry Rodriguez at the plate, maybe with a couple more HRs.
However, there has never been a time I thought he’d be better than Smoak.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Henry Rodriguez
Wow… what a comp. Where did you pull him out of? Not that I’m disagreeing – that is probably a good guess for a probable positive career trajectory.
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I searched for power hitters
who didn’t have big walk numbers but had big K numbers. Its actually a pretty rare combo. Most good power hitters K a lot, but also walk half or more often than they K.
Henry was the best guy I could come up with who K’ed a lot (24% of the time) but also had an almost 3:1 K:BB ratio, which is a little better than Davis’ 3.5:1 K:BB ratio he had in the minors.
Henry was a real good player from maybe 28-31, the rest of the time, he was kind of meh.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I did a similar search once
and also saw that they don’t exist much (makes me think that they get filtered out along the way). Didn’t keep at it long enough to find H Rodriguez. That is a pretty great comp (well, not great for Ranger fans who expect Davis to be a regular all-star, but great in the intellectual sort of way).
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Yeah, it took me a bit to find him
I never liked my other comps of Rob Deer, who walked too much to be a comp for CD, and Pete Incaviglia, who had less power than Davis.
I’m also inclined to think that most High K, Low BB guys get filtered out by a low OBP, and never get enough ABs to have long careers.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Heh
what a bizarre situation for Davis.
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by inactive lsb user on Jul 10, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Mark Reynolds
He’s another guy who strikes out along the same lines as Davis, though he did walk 64 times last year, and is on pace for about 80 this season, so he may wind up as more of a Rob Deer type.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
In the minors
Mark had a K/BB of 2.39, so yeah, his walks look a little more Deerish.
The frightening thing about Davis is that 3.384 K/BB minor league ration. I’d be less worried about it, except I don’t think Rudy is the coach to lower that ratio in his major league career.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Sure
but I’m from the school of thought that says .200 is an anomaly and he’s going to be back.
The bat potential and that glove are hard to pass up.
I've never been on his bandwagon
I want him to be good, but I’ve always been worried that he K’s too much without the requisite ability to take a walk that high-K/high-SLG guys need.
I don’t want to be right about him, but alas…
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That pretty much
describes me to a T, also.
I also suspect like you and DJ that baseball players who K a lot, have prodigious power, but don’t walk much get weeded out in the minors and very few of them have a significant major league career.
That’s also why I’ve never been on the Davis bandwagon.
And like DJ says, Rudy isn’t really known as the guy where people suddenly discover plate discipline.
R
I don't think that
It’s just the prospect of trading away Smoak to make a streaky, low-OBP high-K BA-reliant power guy our firstbaseman is very unappealing to me.
Basically, Smoak is everything this team needs as a core hitter going forward, and Chris Davis is everything it already has.
I don’t want to give up Smoak. For anything. I think he’s too valuable to this offense’s future.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
No way I include both.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I think you just say we will give you 4 or 5 players
A. Feliz or Smoak or Holland or Perez (id prefer to give them Feliz not because i think he is going to be a reliever)
B. Salty or Teagarden
C. Beavan, Kiker, Boscan, beltre
D. Lemon, Vallejo, Poveda
E. If needed (most likely will be)….Pimentel, Madrigal, Castillo
So lets say…Feliz, Teagarden, Beavan, Lemon and Pimentel, in or out?
by Michael Cave on Jul 10, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Jamey’s proposal was also fairly acceptable to me.
Although, if they picked Davis from column A from Jamey’s proposal, I’d do naked cartwheels.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
me too
alas… Riccardelli doesn’t like Adam Dunn. He certainly won’t like Chris “I K without the walks!” Davis
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Riccardi
has a history of doing very weird things. His approach is not really a consistent moneyball approach, given what he’s signed over the years. He’s done things like over value relievers (BJ Ryan), sign low OBP guys to big extensions (Vernon Wells), and the like. I think Davis would appeal to him for the same reasons he appeals to us – Big time power, good glove.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Just to re-post
some of his comments on Dunn
“He’s a lifetime .230, .240 hitter that strikes out a ton and hits home runs,” Ricciardi said.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Meh
Dunn also has no defensive value. Really, I think while Smoak would obviously appeal more to Riccardi, thinking that he won’t take a package built around Davis because of Moneyball ties/Stupid comments is assuming too much.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I don't think this team can trade Smoak
He’s too valuable since he’s the only top hitter in this organization right now. A Feliz or Perez or even Holland could leave and the organization doesn’t really take a big depth hit. But without Smoak, the offensive depth looks quite shallow.
I’d give them Feliz + Davis before I trade Smoak.
my offer (and I want time to negotiate an extension before making it)
Feliz
Davis
Salty/Tea/MaxRam – Toronto’s choice
Beltre/Lemon/Vallejo/Poveda or comparable level. (not your C group)
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I agree
right now, Smoak is perhaps the most unique prospect this team has – a power/patience guy with a high batting average and defensive value.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Oh. My. God. I just read your sigs....
I had NO IDEA Baseball Jesus was racist. WOW.
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Those quotes
taken totally out of context, FWIW.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
well at the very least it proves he is dumb
unless he was just being sarcastic (and sticking to it)
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 10, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
He was not serious. I thought it was this morning’s thread where this came up, but I forget.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
he was being very sarcastic
because someone was seriously stating that people here do not like Wash because he is black, which is totally crazy. We dont like wash because he sucks
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
You had to read those comments
with an extremely sarcastic tone for them to be in context
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
haha I know that... I was just messing with Jesus..he's too nice to be a racist
cue don’t mess with Jesus clips
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Vince from slap chop
5 prospects
is too much for one guy if it includes any top 100 guys. There are only a few trades that went highers than 3:1 and worked out for the reciever. Look at the Tiex and Haren deals, even for outstanding players and even giving up prospects in low A you get hosed if you give that much quantity. The reason our farm system gets such rave reviews isn’t that the peak is so tall it is that the peak is so wide (all the 3 star guys if you will) If you say we’ve got 25 prospects with a good shot at making a difference then you swap out 5 of them for one player, even one as great as the Dr. you have cut 20% of the future value of your farm. On this proposal I think we lose out every time. If it was up to me I would include 2 great prospects over 5 good prospects every time.
Not me
we have such quantity of Tier 2 and Tier 3 prospects, that we will start losing them to the 40 in a year or 2.
I think we should definitely be trading quantity for quality. We already got more quantity than we possibly have ML slots for them to fill.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Arizona
I think we are about where Arizona was a couple of years ago: Young exciting team bursting with prospects. A few all stars breaking in a various spots (Drew, Upton) and some scuffling (Quiten and CB Young) but promising guys who may be 4A or may be all stars and some solid role players (Jackson, Tracy) to go with a few solid vets. They sold out to get Haren and then didn’t have the depth to replace the guys who never panned out. I don’t want that to happen here. I would love to get Halladay but am decidedly more wary of any trade of lots of players than of good players.
Yeah, several of their young guys
have been either disappointing or very uneven…like Chris Davis’ roller coaster ride.
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I hate twitter
That’s all I got. The whole @blahblahblah thing is really stupid and annoying.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
not
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 10, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's pretty obvious
that twitter is just an annoying fad that will be forgotten in a few years (with probably a more annoying fad taking its place).
As a news source, such as this, it’s just the obvious progression from actual story, to web story, to blog post, to just a random tweet to everyone. With each step effort decreases, and with it accountability and accuracy. I’m thinking that after a few hundred more posts echoing some tweet that ended up being just a busted rumor, people will stop linking to them.
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How is twitter different from RSS feed?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
No expert on Twitter
But an RSS feed is just an updated list of new stories on a given Web site. So, when the NYT publishes a new story, or a blog is updated, it goes to the top of the feed. That seems useful.
The whole @etc thing seems exhibitionistic to me. Why should you assume everyone wants to follow a two-way conversation you are having with someone. I also find it annoying and confusing. While I could see following a twitter feed that functioned like an RSS feed, having to bounce back and forth between people’s feeds and find the posts that they are referring to is annoying to me. So, I don’t like twitter. But, maybe I just don’t get it.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
Agree on the ungainliness of twitter “conversations.” Removing that feature and it makes more sense.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 10, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
When you @somebody
it’s not for everyone to follow your convo… it is to respond to some ones post and make sure the recieve your response…. you can follow the two way convo but many don’t
If it's just for the "convo"
why make it part of the public interface?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 10, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
that is where I agree... if i have something to say I send a direct private msg
but you can alos use the @ sign to re-post someone elses post and give them credit if you think it is funny, interesting… ect… it is call RT (re-tweeting)
you guys sound like a bunch of old geezers that don't understand twitter
1. it is a mini blog
2. it allows info to be exchanged quickly and efficiently
3. it is not a fad bc people will never get tired of communicating
Do you realize that it/was the driving force in the Iran election protests
Also, it beat the NY times to the coverage of the plane crash in the Hudson with pics and commentary
old geezers that don't understand twitter
I concede that this could be a distinct possibility.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
That is fine but I think Twitter has its place and can be very useful
I remember when facebook and youtube first came out ppl didn’t jump on board
As an old geezer
I have to say the number of things I dont understand is growing by the day
wheeze ... yep
I still don’t have a cell phone.
by shroomer on Jul 10, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, thats tough to see
then again, I don’t have a landline phone.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Landlines ... going out of style.
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by inactive lsb user on Jul 10, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Cell phones
I didn’t get one until about four years ago, though it’s still a really primitive model compared to most of what’s out there now. My computer is nearly nine years old, though I’m probably going to replace it at the end of the year.
I still don’t own an iPod, just signed up for Facebook a little over 2 months ago, and like TAG, I don’t Tweet.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
Just picked up an iPod
a couple weeks ago. Its sick how many CDs you can put on 8GB. Just stick it on shuffle and don’t sweat it for months at a time.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
REC
never give in, shroom.
The machines don’t deserve to win.
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by inactive lsb user on Jul 10, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Suggesting it's like RSS
Not a point against twitter.
Still think it’s lame though.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
You might be right
Twitter is a cleaner Facebook… I hope ZI can think of something to replace Twitter lol
I don't think so...
Twitter is not a cleaner Facebook.
Twitter is UGH-LEE as far as the look, anyways.
Communication is great, y'all have fun
The “fad” is sticking it all over the news and ballgames and what not.
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exactly
what the hell inspired the news to face fuck us with twitter? I mean hulu doesn’t even get this much between the break press.
because media outlets know the value of it
so they want you to use it.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 10, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Newberg's proposal...
I’m thinking this is what I would offer, not at the outset but when it came down to bottom line time:
.
a. either Neftali Feliz and Mitch Moreland . . . or Justin Smoak (or Chris Davis) and Blake Beavan (or Tommy Hunter)
b. Taylor Teagarden
c. Wilmer Font or Wilfredo Boscan or Guillermo Moscoso or Omar Poveda
d. Engel Beltre or Mike Bianucci or Jose Vallejo or Joaquin Arias or Marcus Lemon
.
And I want reliever Jason Frasor in the deal, too, to give me another right-hander for the final third of the game. He’s under control through 2010.
.
Group A is the key. For Halladay, I’d give up Feliz or Smoak, but not both.
.
Derek Holland and Martin Perez are untouchable, for me. So is Joe Wieland, even though he’s not on the same tier. And Andrus, of course, is off limits.
.
Yes, I want Halladay to extend his contract and be here for more than just a year and a third. But that’s likely not going to happen as a pre-condition to the trade. You take the chance that he helps this team win a division in 2009, and that in the winter he agrees to rip up the final year of his contract and replace it with four or five more.
Pretty sure Davis and Smoak aren't equal
If it takes a top prospect, either Feliz, Holland, or Smoak is required. Davis isn’t sufficient to get Frasor alone, much less pull in Halladay
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I like everything I hear abt Smoak but
Davis had better numbers at AA and had some success at AAA… Smoak really struggling right now… I;m not ready to say he is going to be better than Davis… I think Davis will be an All-star in three years and is already a gold glove 1B… although, i do like smoak’s patience at thelate
I'm the wrong person to reply to this
since I’ve basically said I think it’s more likely that Davis is out of baseball in 3 years than in an all star game. Which is a tad extreme, considering the number of options he has left. But unless that guy can learn to walk at above league average rates (or K at less than record levels), he’ll never be able to hold a regular major league job.
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Define
better numbers.
Better power numbers, sure. Davis also had a 3.5:1 K:BB ratio, and Smoak is like 1:1.
Give me the guy who is a better contact hitter and who can draw a walk. Power can come with age. Just ask Adrian Gonzalez who was kind of a slappy when he was in the minors.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
hmm
they would look and probably say the best they could do would be:
Feliz, Moreland, Teagarden (maybe, maybe MaxRam), Font, and Beltre.
that’s one top caliber prospect and a lot of projectability.
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Am i the only one who doesnt really want Doc?
i love him, i want him, but im not giving up shit to get him.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
Why do you
not really want doc?
There’s no real injury concerns or significant red flags with him, and it’s not like he’s a pitcher that relies on super-awesome velocity.
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"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I kind of see us
being within a year or 2 of losing 2nd and 3rd tier prospects to the dreaded 40 if we don’t trade them. There just comes a limit as to how many rookies that you can work onto the field.
To me it all comes down to the big time prospects in the deal. If there is more than one of Holland/Perez/Feliz, I’m basicly out.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
haha
RT @TheRopolitans @rebecca_glass @adkwriter The “rumor” was busted. Don’t give it the time of day. // There goes any + all of my credibility
usa
Who the hell...
would WILLINGLY go to Philly (the town…not the team). What a piece of crap.
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Population: 1,449,634.
Apparently a few people
by GregoryM on Jul 10, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
as in slightly more than fort worth?
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
More than double Fort Worth.
2009 Estimated Population- 720k.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 10, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I second this
Even Inner City sucks balls
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
+ 1 cheese steak..
Philly is one ugly city, I like Pittsburgh much better.
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X
http://www.lemontpittsburgh.com/LeMont/index.htm
"You're going to love my nuts"
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Also
in terms of Douchebags per square mile.
But its kind of close.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Douche bags per square mile
this is the type of information that I want included in the new census
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"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Philly beats most cities in this country based on history
Not too many cities can claim to have something on dollar bills – I think just DC and Philly (which shows up twice, I believe – the $2 and the $100).
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The only really important thing in measuring a city...
their wrestling history.
And World Class > ECW.
Sorry Philly, you lose.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
Surely the Phillies would be forced to include their starting COF in any Halladay deal.
John Mayberry Junior.
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- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM CDT reply actions
Let's not forgot...
Any package we have to offer “is not going to include any 1st round picks”.
Barely Related
When a team signs a draft pick or LA free agent, we usually hear about the signing bonus. Once that is paid, how much does a minor leaguer make in salary? Does it vary on contract, or are they all slotted based on level?
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Jul 10, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions
Read this on mlbtraderumors.com
If the Jays do deal Halladay, they say they’re looking for two premium prospects who will be ready for the majors next year and two other prospects who are further away from making big league contributions.
Feliz, Teagarden, Beltre, and... one of our younger pitchers that isn't Perez?
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
That's kinda what I was thinking too...
Although I’d rather trade Salty, Max, and maybe even Davis over Teagarden. I think it would be a huge mistake to trade him, but if they absolutely had to have Teagarden to make it work then so be it.
I just dont understand how people think TT has a brighter future than Salty...
I mean, it just truly baffles the shit outta me
and this is from a longhorn who loves TT
I read that and think...
…this would not deep six the franchise.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 10, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes...
In light of reading this, I really want JD to get serious about making a move. Maybe the cost isn’t as high as originally thought.
The only real cost I'm worried about...
Is the financial cost, especially with the franchise in limbo.
I think the system’s deep enough to withstand the prospect loss (although i can’t say I’d be thrilled about it, I would be thrilled about the return).
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
Exactly...
That’s the wild-card issue here. Although I read somewhere that players were talking about deferring salaries if necessary to make a Halladay deal happen, and there’s a pretty good chunk coming off next year with Padilla and Blalock likely not coming back. Plus they drafted 2 guys this year who are known to be seeking decent sized signing bonuses in Purke and Scheppers. Not to mention they had an agreement in place in the off-season for a Ben Sheets deal before that fell through. My guess is there’s more money available than we think.
The Sheets thing...
Wasn’t it before a lot of this stuff reached the surface (and namely, before we started borrowing money from Uncle Bud).
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
Yeah thats true
But I have to think Hicks knew where he was at financially, it was only a few months ago after all. I’m not his accountant so maybe I’m completely off base, but I have a hunch that there’s more available than what’s being reported.
Whoa now
If im reading this as an insinuation that you would not sign Purke and Scheppers so that you can get Halladay i think youve lost it
now youd essentially be adding those 2 in a trade since theyd no longer be future rangers
No not saying that at all...
If anything they would be even more of must-signs than they already are if we dealt for Halladay. I’m just saying there’s apparently money available.
The cost of getting Halladay
The butts-in-seats factor would be substantial for him.
He’d go a long way to paying for himself.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 10, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really
If they only have 70 games left when we trade for him probably half of those at home (35) and Halladay only pitches every 5th day so you’d only get maybe 7 or 8 home starts from him this year, give or take a couple depending on schedule.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
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