Pena to All Star game replacing Pedroia
by RangerMack on Jul 12, 2009 10:17 AM CDT
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Dustin Pedroia is tending to family health issues and Carlos Pena is replacing him. Why not Ian Kinsler? They are swapping a 2B for a 1B.
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I just saw this
WTF.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Jul 12, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And also
Since Pedroia got in on the fan vote, why not take the next highest vote count in the fan vote for 2B?
Oh that’s right, you already picked your team’s 2B to go, so ignore the fan voting and pick your team’s 1B to go.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Jul 12, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, Its bullshit
If you’re not going to pick Kinsler then you have to pick Lind. Fuck Joe Maddon.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 12, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is complete and utter bullshit
Kinsler deserves this over Young, Hamilton, Pena, and definitely Zobrist.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jul 12, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
zobrist?
hahahahahahahaha
go look up stats
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Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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by knockoutking on Jul 12, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know his stats
but the fact that he was a bench player for a month. I don’t put him above Miguel Cabrera, Kinsler among others.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jul 12, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
it’s hard to argut that Ben Zobrist hasn’t been better than Kinsler so far this year. The fact that he has 1.012 OPS and better #‘s than Ian in 100 fewer PA’s backs that.
Bench player for a month or not, Zobrist deserves to be there over Kinsler.
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by slc ranger on Jul 12, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm ok with that, what about Pena?
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by NothinG on Jul 12, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's on the managers team.
Tough to get worked up about Kinsler not going considering he’s really only had one All Star Caliber month.
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by DJCahill on Jul 12, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zobrist?
Please. The guy’s earned his spot. Don’t go there.
Way to not lurk and instead shit all over yourself during your first fanshot.
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by SarasotaRanger on Jul 12, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
by lisa w on Jul 12, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By any chance
does anybody know off the top of your head how many votes Pedroia beat Kinsler by in the Sprint vote thingy?
by shroomer on Jul 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think it was around 70,000
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jul 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inge beat Kinsler by 70k?
Or Pedroia beat Kinsler in the open field vote by 70K?
[I screwed up my orig post – doh!]
by shroomer on Jul 12, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had this question elsewhere
Is there anywhere that MLB posts the final vote totals? How much did Pedroia and Inge beat Kinsler by?
Also, Kinsler doesn’t really deserve it
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best 2B in the league...
I fail to see how he doesn’t deserve going to the AS Game.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Jul 12, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because
he was only the best 2B in the league for one month.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 12, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was all that you've been saying about Andruw Jones
and how we shouldn’t just exclude one large chunk of a player’s season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 12, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that is in consideration for the team's roster
not the All Star Game.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jul 13, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I’m not saying AJ should make the All star game, I’m saying he shouldn’t be released. Somewhat different standards.
I think Kinsler may come back and put up big numbers, but I don’t think its outrageous that a manager used the opportunity to stack the club with his own players. Kinsler could have made it a no brainer decision, but he pretty much slumped into the ASB.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 13, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why doesnt he deserve it?
The one argument I might buy is that selection to the AS game should be based purely on giving the team the best chance to win and not on first-half performance and that instead of having a well-rounded back-up 2b, the AL would be better served with some combination of a really good power hitting OF/DH and an excellent 2b defensive replacement. With the giant AS rosters, the manager theoretically has more flexibility to mix and match guys so that he can limit their exposure to areas of the game that might be considered weaknesses. Even if you did that, it would be hard to find a 2b over kinsler who would be that much better as a defensive specialist, so you might as well just take him.
The other thing you might say is that his current slump has a likelihood of carrying over into the game itself, and therefore his inclusion doesnt really help give the AL a better chance to win….which is sort of ludicrous because it would beg the question should the all-star rosters just be a collection of the league’s hottest hitters? hell no.
Anyway Im curious as to why you think he isn’t deserving.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 12, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank Blalock's OPS is 27 points higher than Kinsler's
Kins has been good, but doesn’t “deserve” anything this year. If he got it it wouldn’t be a disgrace, but it isn’t a disgrace for him not to get it either.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 12, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
The simple way of stating why Kinsler needs to be in the AS Game
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 12, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think some of those meatier statistics really tell a lot. Kinsler has cooled down with the bat big time, but his defense has been great. Tied for 12th in the AL in WAR is sufficient enough for me to say a guy is deserving of all-star recognition.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 13, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It shows
Zobrist way ahead of him, and Pedroia and Hill not that far behind.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 13, 2009 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It shows
a guy who hasn’t played 2B ahead of him and then him still ahead of Pedroia and Hill despite only “being the best 2B in the league for a month”.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 13, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
if they used that stat instead of Fans votes, player votes, and the AL WS manager, then Kinsler would be in.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 13, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Instead, you get the manager picking his team as replacement players and have NY and Boston vote every player on their roster and the player votes become pretty meaningless in the end.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 13, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
most of the team looks pretty good. Its not like they were bringing in replacement level scrubs to fill holes. I’ve definitely seen worse.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 13, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont have a huge problem with him not getting in.
i think the differences between him and a lot of other guys in the same tier, both 2B and other positions are miniscule. but it’s absurd to say he doesn’t deserve it. He has been the second most valuable 2B, has been productive both offensively and defensively, and is one of the best players on a team that is outperforming expectations.
Kinsler may have a mediocre OPS compared to Blalock, but he also plays at a demanding defensive position and also plays it well and also runs the bases very well. When you add up all those things, getting a guy with an OPS in the .820s is a boon. He also has a suspiciously low BABIP in the 240s, which may in part be due to him hitting a lot of fly balls. but i think he’s also had a little bit of bad luck compared to some of the other hot-hitting AL 2B.
I’m not going to go on and on about the injustice of Kinsler not getting in. All-star games are never going to be perfectly tailored to reward the best performers, and that’s fine. He’ll have plenty more all-star games to go to I imagine. I just think it’s ridiculous to say he doesn’t even deserve to go when he has been more valuable that several other players who are going.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 13, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pena...
shouldn’t be in the ASG. However neither should Kinsler.
As Kinslerhomer said above. How is Adam Lind not in the ASG?
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by slc ranger on Jul 12, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could make a case for Miguel Cabrera as well
where is he??
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by NothinG on Jul 12, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pena over Cabrera is ridiculous as well
who would you want up to bat in a big situation. I’ll take Miguel Cabrera.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jul 12, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT. Cat goes yard!
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 12, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
although i am uspet
Kinsler needs to go home and enjoy his time off
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by RangerMack on Jul 12, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ian's a great player...
one of the best players in the league imo. However his performance the last couple months hasn’t been AS worthy.
As you said, go home and enjoy your time off Ian. Come beack and tear it up in the second half.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 12, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The all star rosters
aren’t selected based around stats..
It’s just a popularity contest…
Just look at Josh Hamilton.
by downsetgo on Jul 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
and your point is? The initial fan voting is based around popularity, and I’m fine with that.
The pitchers taken and other players who replace injured players has always been based around stats and who is having the best season though. Otherwise when an NL player was hurt Manny would have be selected or A-Rod in the AL.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 12, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that isnt the issue on THIS argument
The issue is that Joe Maddon picked his own player over a couple other more deserving players. Honestly, i have no problem with Kinsler not being picked but Lind should be in the game. Terrific first half, LH bat, etc.
by Michael Cave on Jul 12, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problems are:
1) Maddon should have taken the 2B with the next highest vote total
And…
2) MLB rules should require that if a player declines to attend, he must be replaced with a player from the same position.
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"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Jul 12, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is upsetting that the manager's get to choose replacements,
but aren’t require to pick the next highest fan/player vote recipient. Once again Bud Selig/MLB screw the fans over!!!
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Jul 12, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
he did that with Cruz. Nellie was next in line in the player vote and replaced Hunter.
Even though Lind should have gone before Nellie imo, and I love me some Nelson Cruz.
There will always be shit like this with AS selections. No way around it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But adding Cruz was swapping an OF'er for an OF'er
Pena for Pedroia is a 1B for a 2B. Not the same IMO.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Jul 12, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is only one way to fix this
The only way to fix this problem is for the Rangers to reach the WS and let Wash pick nothing but Rangers and give the MLB and the rest of the league the big FU.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on Jul 12, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Rangers go to the WS...
Marlon Byrd will be and AS next year. Book it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 12, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all star roster
I’m disppointed for Kinsler, but other than his enjoyment I really don’t care. I enjoy the HR Derby and hardly even watch the ASG itself.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why is everyone so upset?
why should ian be in the asg over pena?
usa
by Longhorn on Jul 12, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a 2B has withdrawn
so you choose a 1B with 4 more HRs at a less demanding defensive position over a guy that the fans want to see, and he backs it up as well. Honestly, I think Miguel Cabrera should be in the All-star game over Ian and Pena
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Jul 12, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something about a guy batting .230 in the ASG just doesn't seem right.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet he
still has an OBP almost 30 points higher than Ian.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 13, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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