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by Adam J. Morris on Jul 12, 2009 6:01 PM CDT
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PrintFrustrating game. Some weakly hit balls led to several runs for Seattle...but then, on the other hand, the Rangers only generated 4 hits against the M's. Not many games you are going to win if you only get 4 hits.
All in all, though, you have to be happy with being 9 games over, and a game and a half back, at the break.
I think all of us would have taken that back in March.
The last couple of games have been frustrating, but remember, there's a lot to feel good about with this team, and a lot to look forward to, for the rest of 2009 and going forward.
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Yep.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
if you havent seen it already
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_07_12_wftmin_uftmin_1&mode=gameday
go to the 1st inning when Feliz was pitching..
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
At least Nippert and CJ threw the games of their lives...
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
Wilson pitched well. Nippert was meh.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
Yes going down 3-1 to Chris Shelton of all people is pitching well
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
Stop being a fucking moron.
What, are you a sock puppet for ASL?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
How am I a fucking moron?
I guess I can’t expect our pitchers to challenge crappy hitters? I’ll keep my mouth shut then next time our pitchers start walking 9 hole quality hitters then.
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
by rangers85 on Jul 12, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wilson pitched well. The fact that he went to 3-1 on a guy, or walked another,
does not mean he didn’t pitch well. He was unlucky. That happens in baseball.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
He does have a penchant for allowing a few baserunners almost every outing...
just for previous reference, his WHIP is really similar to Francisco Cordero’s WHIP those final couple years in Texas when everyone was all over his case for vulturing wins and allowing a ton of baserunners.
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
I'm not saying Wilson's been perfect, or even overwhelmingly good.
And the home run he gave up the other night hurt. But he pitched well today, and had bad luck.
Apologies for the “fucking moron” bit, but I thought you were picking up where ASL left off in the GDT, and I wasn’t up for another round after that game.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
that was
my entire argument. The base hit was unlucky. Going 3-1 to Shelton with 2 on and 2 out was downright bad.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)
Texas Rangers Baseball: Built to start piece of shit retreads like Dustin Nippert in intradivisional play in July!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jul 12, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That wasn't your argument.
I should just leave this alone, but…
You first argued that Wilson didn’t pitch well today.
When Adam and a few others (including me) replied that, in fact, the hits Wilson gave up were unlucky, and that he had, in fact, pitched pretty well, you argued that it was very bad for Wilson to have gone to 3-1 on Shelton, because Shelton could then sit on the fastball, which was, you implied, the reason Wilson gave up the hit to Shelton.
When we pointed out that going to 3-1 wasn’t the end of the world, especially since the pitch Shelton hit was a terrific one, and actually broke his bat, you argued that it didn’t matter, because however great the pitch was, Shelton was sitting on the fastball, and so we was able to squeeze a hit out.
When I argued that this didn’t make any sense, because Wilson had actually recovered from the 3-1 count and pitched well (inducing two weak hits and three Ks) you very helpfully pointed out that baseball is a results-oriented game (tacitly indicating that it didn’t really matter how Wilson actually pitched, only whether the runs scored) and started throwing out scarecrows about not counting the run or the loss or putting asterisks by records or some such.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Scarecrows is so much more poetic.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
dude
going 3-1 on Shelton was inexcusable. The basehit was a direct result of it, period. I don’t care that the pitch broke his bat. People have hit broken bat homeruns before. You limited your repetoire to 1 pitch by falling behind 3-1. Do you really not think Shelton gained a huge advantage by being ahead 3-1? The same advantage that can be backed up by stats and the fact that every hitter in the world loves to have a 3-1 count. You guys argued that it as okay that the run scored because it was such a good pitch. I than got tired of that ridiculous argument by using sarcasm and saying maybe they won’t count the run or put an asterick next to the victory. To me, it seemed like a very t-ball, don’t keep track of the score and everyone gets a ribbon argument that it was okay that he fell behind 3-1 and gave up the game winning hit because the last pitch of 6 was such a good one. How about judging the whole at-bat, all 6 pitches, instead of just 1 of 6. That is my point. If you don’t understand that argument, than agree to disagree.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)
Texas Rangers Baseball: Built to start piece of shit retreads like Dustin Nippert in intradivisional play in July!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jul 13, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Dutch did much better than Nippert
Well, after the little being inserted with the bases loaded again thing anyway.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Yeah, if we could just create a situation where the bases are never loaded...
Hell, let’s just play Y ball, so we don’t hurt anyone’s feelings or put them in a position where something bad might happen if they don’t perform.
Yeah, I’m being snarky, but tell me (a) who else they should have put into that spot if the goal was to win the game, and (b) is Holland really so fragile that he can’t be allowed to face adversity??
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I just want Holland to start his own innings and be accountable for his own shit like he would as a starter.
I think he’s pretty close to being as good as if not a better option for the rotation than Harrison or McCarthy in the second half, if the Rangers would just make getting him tuned up and acclimated to the rotation a priority.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Regardless of whether Holland's ready,
I’d be surprised to see McCarthy back in the starting rotation this season.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
I'd be surprised to see McCarthy back this season.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
Just have a feeling he'll spend the rest of the year on the DL
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
because he has a broken shoulder?
caused (for the second time) by pitching?
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
your describing player development
But that is no longer the priority for 2009
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Sorry, but I think that's bullshit, and even if the Rangers are thinking that way it's still bullshit.
Development of young players should still be a priority of this team this year whether we’re in the race or not. If you don’t want to develop them in their proper roles in the majors, then send them to the minors.
But sticking your #2 SP prospect in the bullpen because you think it’ll help you make a playoff run with a POS offense is fucking stupid, IMO.
Flame away, boys.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
You also do it because...
…you think breaking a pitcher in by having him pitch out of the bullpen is a good way of acclimating him to the majors.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 12, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I don't really want to rehash that argument
But like I said, I think Holland is close to being a viable rotation option in the second half. If they want to tune him up for a starting role in the second half in the bullpen I’m cool with that, but that doesn’t appear to be what they’re doing, and if they are they’re going about it in a bit of a strange fashion.
But like I said, I don’t really feel like rehashing the whole breaking guys in through the bullpen argument for the umpteenth time.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
God
now you’ve got a victim’s complex.
Tell me, dillhole, is it not possible to develop players and pitches during side sessions, bullpen sessions, and bullpen appearances? Is it not possible to throw every pitch even when facing players from the bullpen?
Your posts are absolutely mind boggling in that they’re just a bunch of inconsistancies built upon even more inconsistancies, piled with some fallacies and bias, and laid upon the foundation of illogical nonsense. Seriously, how do you come up with these awful, awful conclusions?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
by FirebatM3 on Jul 12, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1.
Your posts are absolutely mind boggling in that they’re just a bunch of inconsistancies built upon even more inconsistancies, piled with some fallacies and bias, and laid upon the foundation of illogical nonsense. Seriously, how do you come up with these awful, awful conclusions?
Well done.
So melodramatic
Read above. I just said I’m cool with tuning him up for a rotation spot in the second half through the bullpen, I just question whether they’re doing it right, or if that’s even what they are doing.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
I seriously want to know
where the fuck you got the idea that the only way to develop someone is to put them in the rotation?
Does Derek Holland not throw side sessions? Is Mike Maddox a selective vampire in that he can only expose himself to the outside world during a baseball game? Do you even have any proof other than “well, I think it is” that Holland doesn’t throw his secondaries out of the bullpen? Or if that number is any different than him as a starter?
There are a lot of good things about Dutch in the pen, none of them having to do with the team making the playoffs this year. For one, he’s still in his injury nexus, you keep the innings down. It allows him more flexibility in his side work. It acclimates him to the major leagues and major league hitters without over-exposing him.
But the most importantly, it DOESN’T FUCKING MATTER. And until you have something that proves it does fucking matter, then please shut the fuck up about this. God damn, you’re such a fucking beating to read.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
And then it burned down, tipped over, and sank into the swamp.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 12, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I am just repeating what Evan Grant
wrote sometime last week over at InsideCorner. He essentially said that the Rangers feel Holland strengthens thier bullpen and that he will still be able to work on his secondary pitches as a reliever. They are making a shortterm decision that may delay Hollands longterm development.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Then please have Evan
write something explaining how this delays his long term development. Cause I think it’s dumb bullshit.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
So there is no difference between starting or relieving?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
According to his batted ball data
and his results no.
See, here’s Derek’s Pitch Data as a Starter
Ball% Called Swing Foul BIP
37.5% 16.3% 7.7% 17.4% 21.1%
And here it is as a reliever
33.1% 16.7% 8.5% 20.3% 21.3%
Here’s his results as a starter
GB FB LD IFF K% BB%
42.7% 27.5% 21.4% 4.6% 18.86% 6.29%
And here it is as a reliever
GB FB LD IFF K% BB%
50.8% 21.5% 20.0% 7.7% 14.46% 7.23%
Really, there’s not that much difference. I wish Fangraphs had R/S splits for their pitch type data. That’d put this nonsense to rest once and for all.
But really, Dutch throws 75% FBs so far, that can’t just be the relief appearances.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I wasn't asking about his SP vs RP results.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
He's the same type of pitcher
who gets the same results regardless if he’s starting or relieving.
What question are you asking then? If there’s a difference between being a starter or a reliever? Well then your question is straight up retarded then isn’t it? Of course there’s a difference, it’s in the # of innings thrown and the # of Batters faced.
But if your question is actually pertinent like “Is Derek Holland – Reliever” different than Derek Holland – starter"? Then the answer, as best as I can tell you, is – no.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I ask the question in relation to his longterm development
There is a big difference between being s RP or a SP. RPs deal with the moment at hand. Holland, mostly, has to deal with getting out of the situation that has been handed to him. Is that really a good time for him to be working in his secondary pitches? No matter how many side sessions he throws to work on them, a game condition is different.
SPs have to come up with a game plan to use as the go through an order multiple times. He has to make in games adjustments based on which pitches he has working that day.
My problem with Holland is that the Rangers have yanked him around from the bullpen to rotation back to the pen. They gave his start to frickin’ Dustin Nippert!
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Wait
what?
Then how do you explain the fact that he’s, quite literally, the exact same pitcher in both situations.
I mean, dealing with the moment at hand? Is that why Kevin Millwood gave up a HR to Rob Johnson? Cause he didn’t know how to deal with the moment at hand? Really? And do you honestly believe that Holland just goes in as a reliever and not at least think about the next 3-4 guys? Cause if you do, that either means you’re retarded or that you think Mike Maddux is retarded.
Seriously, he’s the same pitcher regardless. So either he has the same plan (which seems likelly) and you’re just inventing shit. Or Derek Holland…
Man I don’t even have a snarky secondary explanation.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Do you believe
Holland is worried about how he is going to pitch the next 3-4 batters when he comes into the game with the base loaded and 2 outs?
Don’t you think it is a problem that his stats as a SP and a RP are similar? Look back at the San Diego game (I think it was vs SD) when he kept throwing his FB and the Padres teed off on him. He didn’t make the necessary in game adjustment that RPs usually don’t face.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
I remember reading a quote from Johan Santana
a coupla years ago about how he thought the season he spent in the bullpen for Minnesota after getting picked in the Rule 5 draft was incredibly beneficial to his development as a major leaguer. Watching and discussing the game situations with all the vets out there day in and day out was like being in pitching grad school. FWIW.
by shroomer on Jul 12, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're not implying the Rangers have some sort of plan for Holland,
are you?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
Pretty safe to say that it "may" delay Holland's longterm development,
isn’t it?
If Holland doesn’t pitch as well as people expect him to relatively soonish, critics can point to the way the Rangers broke him in and claim it prevented him from reaching his full potential as quickly as he might’ve otherwise.
If Holland does adjust quickly, critics can ask how much better Holland would’ve been if his long-term development hadn’t been hampered by the way the Rangers broke him in.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
Word
and I’m still waiting for someone to help me out with this hole “Derek the Pen Arm” is different from “Derek the starter” nonsense.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
If we start seeing evidence
that Holland’s balking at throwing his secondary stuff when he comes out of the ‘pen, then that might give me cause for concern; he could probably get by with his fastball as reliever in a way he couldn’t as a starter, and I’m not sure I’d want him to fall too much in love with one pitch.
From what I saw and heard today, though, he’s starting to try to mix his pitches a bit more even in relief, which I take as a sign that he’s been working with Maddux & Co., and is starting to test things out a bit more.
I’m going to go see if the Pitch F/X stuff is up for him yet…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
75%
in his ML career so far.
He’s pumping FBs regardless.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Sure. I just want to see him mixing it up a bit more
even if he’s pitching from the ‘pen. Based on his comments after previous games, he’s already realized he can’t get by as a starter with just a fastball ~ but it seems as if it’d be easier for him to depend too much on the fastball as a reliever.
I don’t think it’s a big deal, though, and I agree with the points you and shroomer make above.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
Is your sig
entirely correct?
If it is, I’m terrified to know that we have a team of virigins and that you seem to have intimate knowledge of their lack of sexual prowess.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
it was
posted by lisa I believe. She meant to say can’t take a walk to fucking save their lives but in her frustration left out the walk part leaving, the rangers cant take a fucking to save their lives
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)
Texas Rangers Baseball: Built to start piece of shit retreads like Dustin Nippert in intradivisional play in July!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jul 12, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
i typed
the order wrong, but i think you get the point
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)
Texas Rangers Baseball: Built to start piece of shit retreads like Dustin Nippert in intradivisional play in July!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jul 12, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a typo from a GDT.
Lisa W posted it, and it simply had to be made into a sig.
I have no knowledge, intimate or otherwise, of the players’ sexual prowess, but I am skeptical that it is lacking. Bunch of 20-and-30-something-year old men, after all.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
You need to attribute that quote sir
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
You're right.
Though I added the “Your 2009 Texas Rangers” bit, so I’ll have to figure out how to attribute it properly.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
I meant to put "rich" before
“20-and-30-something-year”
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
Also, where do you find
pitch types for a specific outing?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Couple ways:
You can access the GameDay data if you want to do a bit more work, or you can go to:
For quick-and-dirty stuff like this, I do the latter.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
Hmm
according to my rough calcs, even in that Rays game (where Holland talks about 2ndary pitches), he threw 70% 4FBs.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Yup.
At the time, I thought, “Well, 5 percent more secondary stuff is progress, I guess” ~ at least it was heading in the right direction.
But it’s hard to think of successful starters who rely on their fastballs even 70 percent of the time…
On the other hand, his fastball command has been rather spotty, so I console myself with the thought that maybe they’ve been working on that, first.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Bah.
I’m ready for a break, and so is this team, it looks like.
This offense really makes me wonder sometimes though. God it can look bad.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Bah?
9 games over and only 1.5 games back is better than pretty much every single prediction made about the Rangers this year.
The point...
and he is right for the record…is that this team has looked tired for a while now. Even when they win they just dont look right
hopefully these 4 days off will do them some good
also, hopefully the angels will cool the fuck off..
Hella lightning in these parts, as well.
It’s been like that almost every day for the last two months.
This launch has been delayed for like 2-3 weeks now right?
Know it was supposed to launch yesterday, and before that it was a couple weeks ago.
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
Someone really needs to explain to me
why Nippert pitched today. After his last start, they should have moved him to the bullpen and had Holland start. Having Nippert in the rotation is absolutely silly.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Only think I can figure is that they want to keep Holland in the bullpen consistently
from here on out, and needed a spot starter.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
You could make those adjustments
after the break, or if you have a real alternative to start. Nippert is just a ridiculous option to start. You may as well concede the game and give everyone an extra days worth of rest.
They just got Holland stretched out, and they replace him with a complete stiff.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Could it possibly be...
that Dutch is being sent to roto in OKC to work on his secondary pitches, and Neftali gets called up to the BP?
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
spot start
And Nippert gets the spot start because his rehab is up and he is out of options. Nippert doesn’t belong on a playoff contending team.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
18% K, 7% BB
that’s really good for a 1st year player.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
for a RP and spot starter
ERA is a worthless stat
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
How decided simplistic
for the record, those numbers are better than that of any of the other starters for this team.
Holland is doing everything we can expect right now, striking out guys at a good pace, walking a reasonable amount of people, and he’s even keeping the ball on the ground.
That ERA? Unless you think that he’ll keep having a .350 BABIP (that’s high for his 19% LD) and maintain a 15.5% HR/FB (that’d be 2.5 times the league average), there’s no reason to keep him in the pen because of performance. Derek hasn’t been bad, he’s been unlucky. You keep him in the pen to keep his innings down, and because you cna develop him as long as he faces live hitting. You don’t do it due to SSS ERA numbers.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
So,
Nippert is any better?
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I dont get it
Wasnt Nippert solid today?…He was throwing a good fastball and looking very good
he shouldve still been in the game going to the 5th inning but he decided to be a jackass and drop the ball
that said, youre pimping holland who proceeded to give up the 2 runs (yes, the ichiro single wasnt really his fault, but if we play that game we’re gonna be here for a long time since the M’s really had 0 good hits all day long) including walking in a run
I dont get the blind bashing of Nippert, i see a solid pitcher there and i think if it wasnt for the fact that he moved the greatest pitcher of all time to the bp, he wouldnt be taking this much crap
You were more impressed by Nippert's start today than I did.
He didn’t suck, in my opinion, but his fastball control was iffy, and he didn’t look very good to me. Not very bad, either ~ just not very good. I would give him a solid “Meh.”
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
"than I was," obviously
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
OK
I think that is a fair opinion
i will make the argument though that perhaps you went into the game with a slight bias since i think a good deal here do not want nippert to succeed…
i dont think he was dominant by any stretch, i just think he shows flashes of dominance just like Holland does at times…both make mistakes to go with their good pitches
Actually, I was defending Nippert's performance in the GDT
(which didn’t go over well with a few folks). I want to see him succeed here; he’s got the raw stuff to help the club. But he’s also 28 years old ~ and that’s only one reason why I don’t think the comparison to Holland is especially apt.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
He didn't even go
4 fucking innings.
No, he wasn’t solid. Crappy pitching like that is how you kill bullpens.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Tiny E
.560 OPS in the last 28 days.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
" I don’t feel like arguing with laxtonto about it for the same reason I wouldn’t argue with him if he said the earth was flat. He’s a person who is happy with his head up his ass so why should I make him sad?"
Yikes.
Looks like Blalock’s line against lefties.
by brettgardner on Jul 12, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Both of the comments above...
are funny.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Im not gonna make a funny comment like the above posts...
Im just gonna tell you to shut fuck up…
If you dont think Elvis has been an asset to this team, you are far dumber than anyone here ever thought
well said, AJM
'Howard makes me fear the NKoreans less... If they shot anything at us, he’d be there to block it." - Aquaman56
"Also Ian’s season is following the same pattern as Ricky Martins Career. Both needed another hit, bad." - SaltyGoesYard
That wasn't an easy play.
I’d expect him to make it nine times out of ten, but it wasn’t easy.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: Can't take a fucking to save their lives.
With Griffey running it wasn't that hard either.
He rushed the throw, forgetting who was running. Rookie mistake. He’ll learn.
reminder
Frisco on CH 21
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
They've said he will and i expect he will
But I don’t think he really has to. Holland didn’t. If he came up and at one point needed to pitch 2 days in a row (and given his likely role that seems easy to control) and he couldn’t handle it.. send him down for 10 days? Sore is sore, mlb or AAA.
Of course with the bullpen doing pretty well there is no real rush to get him up here aside from me personally wanting to see him heh, so they might as well be safe and wait for him to do the back to back games they wanted him to this weekend.
the preceding post was a great success.
I wasn't around when it happened and I'm too lazy to dig for it, so...
did anyone else have a problem with Wash’s use of the bullpen today? I wouldn’t have pulled Holland when he did and I wouldn’t have jerked O’Day to bring Wilson in to face a right-hander.
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
I thought it was fine.
With the break looming he pulled out all the stops… and you can’t really say they didn’t work, CJ didn’t give up a hard hit ball… a chopped ball up the middle and two lucky flares over ss, oh well. Just wish Elvis had made that play.
the preceding post was a great success.
Seriously...I already have it
The texas rangers are a nice story but now the angels will run away with the division due to all of their super awesome clutch players, incredible SP, incredible D, bestest base running ever too…who can top that.
The rangers will likely call up Neftali Perez for another good story but he wont be able to save the horrible rangers pitching
Lets just hope it doesnt completely fuck his swing up...
but other than that, yeah
and he has a decent chance to do well considering the trash (-pujols) that is competing
LSJ
I just wanted to add that i appreciated the bp data you posted and id be curious to see what other numbers and info you can pull together about it
it would be interesting (and odd), if we are simply abnormally horrid against bps for some unknown reason
Yeah, sorry
I wound up leaving this afternoon, didn’t get a chance to do it. I might do a fanshot or a fanpost tomorrow about it if I find anything interesting, if not I’ll just mention it in a comment in the morning thread. Cool?
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Per Heyman via MLBTR.com
And finally, a note on Pedro Martinez:
* Pedro should decide on his future soon. The Phillies are the favorites, followed by the Rangers.
Heyman also wrote
in the article
4. Rangers. They have perhaps baseball’s best-stocked farm system, and hitting prospect Justin Smoak would be a lure. But ultimately, they probably don’t have the money to add anyone significant.
A bit of a disconnect there unless he believes Perdro to be insignificant.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
+1
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Isn't he
pretty much done? Getting Pedro in his prime would have helped, but he hasn’t done anything in a couple of years.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Also from MLBTR.com
I think the Rangers would be the best fit for Halladay. They have a lot they can trade. Smoak, Teagarden, McCarthy and Marlon Byrd. Deal!
Posted by: Deuce | July 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM
DEAL!!
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
Ha. Deuce is funny.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
its people like this that make the world as enjoyable as it is
laughter is a cure all
'Howard makes me fear the NKoreans less... If they shot anything at us, he’d be there to block it." - Aquaman56
"Also Ian’s season is following the same pattern as Ricky Martins Career. Both needed another hit, bad." - SaltyGoesYard
Please remind me,
but I thought you couldn’t trade draftees in their 1st full season?
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
First 6 months after they sign they are untradeable
From 6 months to a year after signing they would have to be a “Player to be named later” in any deal. After one full year from signing they can be traded as is
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Ok,
I know there were some restrictions, but couldn’t remember them
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
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