LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #10
by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 10:47 AM CDT
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Another nail-biter.
We don't do run-offs here in the mid-season project, and so if someone is leading when I sign on the morning I call it for whoever is ahead, no matter how slim the margin.
Having said that: After 257 votes, Tommy Hunter has won the right to be called the LSB Community #9 prospect!
Hunter's margin of victory was a slim 2 votes, and only 4 votes over the third place finisher in what was a really epic race.
Let's hope the rest of the votes stay that close.
The List So Far:
1. 1b, Justin Smoak
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. LHP, Martin Perez
4. RHP, Tanner Scheppers
5. LHP, Matt Purke
6. RHP, Wilmer Font
7. (Tie) RHP, Blake Beavan
7. (Tie) CF, Julio Borbon
9. RHP, Tommy Hunter
Time to move on to the vote for #10
There were three dudes within 5% of Hunter last time, so who knows where Hunter's votes will land.
Should be a fun race!
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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Main for me, again
I can certainly see votes here for Max, Boscan, Kiker and Ross as good choices.
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Me too
I tend to vote for ceiling, and Main’s is unarguably greater than that of Boscan and Kiker. Max and Ross have good ceilings too, but Max is beginning to frustrate me and Ross is a little too new. I’ll probably go Ross and MaxRam next.
Go Rice Owls!
voted for maxram here
but already have voters remorse — should have voted for main here — fwiw, i as of now main/borbon/maxram are the back of my top 10
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Hunter at 9...?
Perryman put it well…this ranking is coming down to recent activity and little else.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 14, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions
Well, recent major league activity is going to play a huge part in people's reasoning, yah.
And it’s not like Hunter is some fringey scrub.
The guy has profiled like a LAIE his entire career, and now he’s showing that he’s ready to assume that role in the bigs. There’s value in that. Some people really love proof that a guy can be a contributor at the major league level and value that a ton more than, say, a 20 year old kid who’s blowing away hitters in the NWL.
A LAIE in the hand is worth a little more than a potential TORG in the bush leagues, I suppose.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Its not like the guy was undrafted
he was a first round pick two drafts ago and is seeing time in the big leagues for his second consecutive year. I think if he was allowed to start at AA last year and spend the whole year there he would have put up some impressive numbers and all you doubters would have a different view of him. I think the fact that he has never been allowed to put up big minor league numbers and was rushed up to the big club last year has a lot you people that salivate over minor league numbers doubting him as a prospect
by blueballlefty on Jul 14, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
he was seen as a reach as a supp pick 2 years ago
just as a fwiw
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
really
b/c I remember a lot of people around here being pretty ok with that pick, thinking that with Beavan, Main, and Ramirez that he was just the type of pitcher we needed to draft there, a college arm with a MOTR arm and a floor at solid reliever, maybe even a late inning reliever
by blueballlefty on Jul 14, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
BA ranked him as the #121 prospect in the draft, which would have been a mid-4th round pick in this draft. We drafted Doyle 124. That is primarily what knockoutking is referring to.
The response here was mixed, as he was a value pick, signed for below slot money, after the first four picks were all expensive. But at the same time, the Rangers had scouted him well and obviously had the right read on him. We didn’t know that on draft day, though.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 14, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes the pick looks pretty good now...
…but at the time I remember a lot of people complaining that he was a low ceiling guy who might never amount to more than a middle reliever. Certainly not the kind of projection that gets folks excited about a first rounder, even a supplemental one.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
looks good now
career MLB: (34 innings, 7 starts)
3.2 bb/9
5.8 k/9
1.647 WHIP
(this year its 3.5 bb/9, 5.1 k/9 — fwiw his bb/9 and k/9 numbers are WORSE this year than last year)
career minors: (252 innings, 48 games)
6.1 k/9
2.0 bb/9
1.28 WHIP
ladies and gents, thats your #9 prospect in a top 5 farm system shocked
eric hurley minors (career)
8.3 k/9
3.1 bb/9
1.243 whip
vs
tommy hunter minors:
6.1 k/9
2.0 bb/9
1.28 WHIP
my god, the man makes hurley look VERY good (even if hurleys stats are helped by his domination of sub AA ball) — this time last year hurley was clearly a better prospect in just about every way.
- shudder *
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You need a new hobby horse
Heh.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 15, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
your 100% right Zy
he was a reach based on where he was ranked vs where he was picked
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
its awesome
to get on here and tell somebody how right they are for agreeing with you
by blueballlefty on Jul 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Where he was ranked by BA.
The fact that you can’t trade picks in MLB means that except in some very extreme cases there’s really no such thing as a reach.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
What do you mean by that?
To me, any time you take a guy who isn’t worthy of his draft slot based on talent ratings, you’re reaching. That doesn’t mean that it’s a bad pick, but I think that we could safely say that if you took the average of all of the boards, he would have been picked at least a round or so later. Maybe there are enough unsignable guys and ridiculous demands to move you up some, but certainly not to bridge the gap between his ranking and where he was picked.
Again, that’s not to say that there aren’t other things that make it a good pick. You can certainly pick good players in reaches.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 14, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Because you can't trade down to snag someone where it's "appropriate" they be picked.
If you like a guy as the best on your board and you think there’s a chance he goes before you get to pick again, you pick him.
In the NFL if you’re picking, say, 5th and you identify a DE you absolutely LOVE. Think he’s the best defensive player in the draft. But pretty much everyone else has him in the 27-32 range and will probably be gone before you pick again. In the NFL, that’s a simple fix: You trade down, gain extra picks in the process and pick him in a more “appropriate” place.
In the MLB you don’t have that option.
If you think a guy is the best on the board and might be gone before you pick again, you have to pick him there. And there are other scenarios, too. Say the Rangers looked at that spot and said, “We think the best two guys on the board are Hunter and West, we think we can get them both, but we also think they’ll both be gone by the time our third round pick comes up.” Is it still a reach to pick Hunter there?
And, plus, who’s “talent ratings” are we going by here? BA’s? Pardon my French, but fuck that cum-soaked horse shit. BA is the best at what they do, but I could give a shit about their talent rankings. If a team is blatantly ignoring their own talent rankings and picking a guy for some reason (usually that reason is MONEY), then, yah, that’s a reach. But just because some team has a guy ranked higher than BA thinks he should be rated doesn’t make it a reach to me. I don’t agree with that one bit. I the Astros thought Jason Castro was a better prospect than, say, Brett Wallace and Ethan Martin, two guys BA liked more, then how is it a reach for them to select him there? They couldn’t have waited and selected Castro in the second round and they could trade down to snag him in the 20’s.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
This is semantics to me
You and I would agree on like 99% of this topic, but we basically just define the word ‘reach’ differently.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 14, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
In the time it took me to post this someone else voted for Main, making the final margin 1 vote instead of two.
Oh, well.
Still a victory for T-Hun.
That was the first vote where I really differed from the community.
I had Beavan lower, but not that much lower. Hunter I had in the mid-teens, though it’s easy to see why he had some serious helium of late.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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Kennil Gomez
probably should be added pretty soon. And maybe Telis. It’ll be another several days before I’d vote for one of them but they should be added pretty soon.
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Yes, those are names I've considered.
But, honestly, is anyone wanting to vote for them yet?
I’d rather not add guys until someone wants to vote for them and/or it becomes really obvious they need to be on.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Just thought of them
and mentioned it, they probably don’t need to be on for a few days.
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Then again
There are several guys up there now that I won’t vote for until the 20s. Vallejo, Hurley, Smith, Miggy DLS. I like Telis more than any of them.
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I like Hurley and MDLS quite a bit more than Telis, as well as some dudes not yet on the list, but I understand your point.
That’s the problem with adding dudes to the list.
With everyname I add it then opens up the argument, “Well if guy X is on the list, then shouldn’t guy Y be on there too?”
I’ll deff keep Telis and Gomez in mind and will add them soon, but I think maybe not for a vote or two unless you really want ’em.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
you and i agree some here
MDLS > telis to me
hurley i am at a true loss for where to vote for him, probably will be in the late teens/early 20s, so around the same level as MDLS?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I've come up a great deal on MDLS after Hindman's note yesterday that his visa troubles were strictly a "technical issue" and not fraud related, age or otherwise.
I was scared as hell he’d turn out to be 25, or something even worse along the lines of him having committed a Beltre/Ogando infraction that was gonna leave him stranded over there permanently.
Assuming he can come over at some point this year I think he’s really, really a guy to watch.
I just wish it could’ve happened like yesterday.
I have no idea what sort of technical issue could be keeping him over there, but the Rangers need to get that shit cleared up and get MDLS pitching in Spokane or Hickory this season.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if MDLS is a bonafide 21...
He really needs to get stateside to prove this run is real.
The last reliever I was pretty psyched about was Brennan Garr. I’m guessing DLS might get a run at A+ when he’s back…that’s around where Brennan got seriously challenged.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 14, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well he at least has that AZRL experience to show he can do it in the states, albiet at a very low level, obviously.
And he was a starter there last year, fwiw. Didn’t average many innings per start, but, still.
54 k’s in 34 innings in the AZRL is mighty impressive, even if it is just the AZRL.
He’s still walking too many dudes, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure his caseworker resigned/retired/was reassigned
I read that somewhere…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
And goyo has something on that too.
So, I’m not insane, yay.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
from what i understand
the investigators had to start off 100% from scratch
thats why its taking so long fwiw
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Very upsetting for him
but he has been through much worse. He’s a tough man. Cheering for Miguel doesnt require 60’ 6’’ of performance.
Yes, I've heard this as well.
That whole LA system that MLB has in place is just one huge old clusterfuck.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
It's pretty much the same for any territory not covered by the draft
MLB has done a pretty awful job globalizing its game.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
It's the Wild West out there.
I agree, MLB couldn’t have handled it worse.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
So when I was back in China
in both NW China and SOuthern China, there are apparently plans to establish dominican style academies there, but is being held up by regional governments. That was pretty cool.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Wow, really cool.
That’s gonna be a true ordeal getting those things set up and operating with any sort of impact, though.
Talk about governmental red tape…
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That is very cool.
Agree with dirkatron about the “red” tape but that government can smell money. My wife is Chinese, and she says to do business with Chinese you just have to grease the right wheels.
If I was trying to trade for Halladay, I’d have my wife do the negotiating. She’d probably get him here with salary paid for Marlon Byrd.
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Yeah
I loved the Chinese outlet malls. I ended up getting a 350 GB external hard drive for 100 RMB, which is slightly less than 20 bucks. It’s just something you learn.
As far as the red tape, there’s actually an interesting story about that. Maybe I’ll do a whole fanshot/fanpost about Firebat’s adventures in China.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Cool, please do.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 14, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be a good read
Is that flying monkey show still a top tv hit?
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sounds interesting
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
awesome
been wondering when that would happen (or what it hasnt already)
i wish they would do this with australia — or someone would help run a full time league there (i dont think there is one anymore)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, I see what you did there.
I hadn’t seen Hindman’s latest rankings yet.
He has Telis and Gomez in the teens.
Interesting.
Guess you were right.
I’ll add ‘em, cap’n.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
While he does have them in the teens
Remember that he doesn’t include Purke or Scheppers in his top 10 and considers Hunter a graduate of the system. That’s 3 guys of the CPP top 10.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Hmmm... Didn't know that.
Still, I suppose if Hindman’s got them that high it’s prolly time to make like a strip club manager with a staffing shortfall and put them on the poll for the long haul.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I kind of feel that way
I like Telis anyway, but we haven’t talked about Gomez in forever around here, it seems, so seeing Mike’s list made me go “oh yeah”. Some folks here joke too much about his hyperbole and enthusiasm, but I respect Mike’s lists because:
- he sees the prospects in person more than most of us do
- he talks to the organization and scouts so has a good feel for the buzz
- his enthusiasm doesn’t affect rankings. We all are enthusiastic about some guys over others. Mike’s descriptions of their abilities is sometimes a bit over the top (to me, anyway) but that doesn’t mean he’s ranking them any worse for it, one prospect relative to another.
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MJH gets far too much shit on the web from
teens who wouldn’t know a prospect from a prostitute, and would shit their pants if they ever had a phone call from a MLB front office.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Jul 14, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Haha
Rec
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 14, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Edwin Escobar
I think I would vote him ahead of any name that is not listed yet.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
Yes, I'm extremely high on him as well.
I think Sardinas and Profar deserve consideration at the back end of the teens as well just based on the insane (for us) bonuses they got, but it’s so dang hard to vote for 16 year olds you don’t even have good scouting reports on yet.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Just as an aside
I doubt that with Alvarez or Escobar have touched 90 this year…
MJH's prospect overstatements
should always give one pause; if he can source the game that escobar hit 92 this season I would be pleased but very surprised. That 92 # was part of july 08 scouting scuttlebutt that was so varied – ranging from 85-92 – that it cant really be regarded as reliable. Neither one touched 90 in ST and both were said to sit in the86-88 range. JP can speak for himself (and MJH for that matter). My impressions from all of the ST reports are that both project as pitchability guys not the next Perez’s or Font’s maybe Pimentels.
I think Escobar might be putting up stellar SSS #s now because of his pitchability and good BB.
I don’t think projecting these two is as easy as people seem to think esp. given the complete dearth of information on them.
Alvarez and Escobar have both touched 90 this year
at least they both did in Spring Training. They were both 86-88 in the outings I saw, but I’ve had it confirmed by multiple people that those were low days for them and they’ve been up to the 90s at times.
Thanks a lot, Jason.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
so sitting in the 87-89
range flashing 90. So based on the reports that you have for each ranging from minor league spring training until this point, what is it that we now know about the that we didn’t know then that will help us gauge their ceiling? Both have good pitchability, Escobar throws a good CB while Alvarez has a good change…
I don't think we know anything now
that we didn’t know then. They’ve stayed the same in my book since the start of the year, at least. They’re two of the best pitching prospects in the system. Alvarez has a very good curve, as well.
So I hate comps
not very good at them myself but do they remind you of any other pitchers in the system? Pimentel? Boscan? Miggie?
So what
they’re babies. Had Perez done much at or over 90 at 16? I don’t recall, but those guys have time to fill out and increase velo.
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He said just as an aside.
So I’m assuming he meant just as an aside.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think instead of "as an aside", he should have said, "talking out of my ass"
both Parks and Hindman are pretty tuned into the organization, from scouts to pretty high up the totem pole. When both of them say that Escobar is sitting high 80s to low 90s, and goyo says he doubts it, I’m calling bullshit on the gringo.
But that’s just me.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
FWIW Goyo seems pretty clued in.
Perhaps not on like a Hindman/Parks/Jason Cole level, but if he’s expressing doubts there’s probably some sort of reasoning behind it.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Read above
Jason Cole just chimed in and confirmed that the gringo was indeed full of shit on this particular assertion, just as I suspected.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
How does that mean he's full of shit?
Goyo said he doubts it, then Cole says they were 86-88 in the games he’s seen but has sources who say they’ve touched 90 at times.
I think full of shit is a WAY too harsh way to phrase that.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
probably so
Apologies to the goyogringo for being quite harsh. Rough day at work, but that’s no excuse.
The thing that kinda got me going was that I loosely interpreted the conversation to be something like this:
mjh: Escobar pitches in the high 80s – low 90s
parks: Escobar pitches in the high 80s – low 90s
goyo: I doubt he touches 90
me: goyo is full of shit
cole: I know for a fact that Escobar pitches in the high 80s – low 90s.
Now I know that the conversation didn’t read exactly like that, but I thought that gg was disputing a couple of guys that are credible in my mind and a couple of the best sources that we have in this community, so I felt the need to come in and back them up. Looking back, I probably should have just let an innocent remark fly by without raising a stink about it.
Anyway, I’m apologizing to goyo here – didn’t mean to be such an ass.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
No problem
You must have missed the ST reports by Law, Callis, Lucas, Newberg et al. There is still time for you to get a clue even at this late juncture.
Perez velo
spiked in the first half of the 08 J2 period sitting 90-92 hence the 580k $$
Pablo Escobar
I just confirmed that Escobar has, on at least one occasion, hit 94 mph on the gun in the AZL. He’s normally in the 86-89 range, but can obviously dial it up, and we should expect more consistent velo as he matures. I’m excited about this kid, but he still has a long, long way to go.
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by inactive lsb user on Jul 16, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of Gomez
is he injured? Hasn’t started in a couple of weeks.
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isnt he doing the tandem starting thing?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Still, he would at least have an appearance
of some sort. Hasn’t pitched since June 29 as far as I can tell.
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didnt look it up
but yea, thats right
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I probably have both Blake
and Tommy in the high teens, as I see them as similar prospects. But really, it’s hard to argue with most choices at this point.
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Michael Main
again….I understand the Hunter vote but a year from now we will be kicking ourselves for putting Main at 10
Main
He strikes me as the one guy most likely to either be #1 on this list or #20 a year from now. Get back to that low predictability with pitching prospects. Even if they have great stuff and everything seems to be aligning, weird things can start happening and they disappear.
Go Rice Owls!
I can see that
If he comes back next year and struggles again, he’s going to drop big time on everyone’s lists.
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Right after we smack ourselves
for having Hunter, Main, et al over Ross.
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You and JBImaknee could both be right
Main could be in the 20s, and Ross looks tantalizing.
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Id like to see Ross
in low A to compare him with Main last yr. I guess the biggest difference is one is a lefty and one is a righty. They are only separated by 6 months. This is all injury based with Main which is fair to penalize for him but the talent is there. Once Main gets voted in, im probably going Ross
by Michael Cave on Jul 14, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
The biggest difference
is that Ross has a GB% that is more than 2X than Main’s career average right now.
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Main again
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Tough choice for me here
Between Kiker, Ross, and Main. I ended up voting for Kiker simply because he is closest, but I can see the argument for either 3 of those guys right here.
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I throw Max in there for a very close next 4.
by FuturePants on Jul 14, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I keep forgetting about him
He probably should slot in right behind those 3 guys. Tough drop for him, but like Main, you’re basically looking at a lost year for him. And since his defensive position is already questionable, he really can’t afford to struggle like he has in AAA and still be looked at that highly.
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Went Kiker again
I can understand Hunter but the Main choice really makes me curious. Is it just his athleticism that makes him the better prospect?
Kikers and Mains peripherals in Clinton are strikingly similar and now Kiker has progressed onto AA and is doing very well there.
There comes a point where potential has to start showing results and I think Mains star has started fading.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
main
doesnt main (pretty much according to everyone) have better stuff than kiker or is it closer than i think?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive heard people say that
But whens it gonna translate into success?
If Hunter balooned up to #9 based on his recent performances I see no reason why Kiker doesn’t go here. 1 ER in his last 25 IP with an ERA under 1.50 in the last month. All at AA as a 21 year old. The kid is on track to crack the majors at the age of 22, something Michael Main can only dream of right now.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
disagree totally
main is 20 this year, the odds of him getting to the majors at the age of ~23 are pretty good
the odds of him being a SP vs a RP are MUCH higher than kiker’s, his stuff is way better than kikers
basically he and kiker have about the same stats (main higher k/9, kiker lower bb/9)
i just dont see it with kiker — id rather have a michael main over a kiker 10 out of 10 times.
main was a fringe top 100 guy last year. a guy who would have been #1 in both of the leagues he was in (per BA) had he had the innings in eaither right after he was drafted. a guy who had an awesome instructionals, was pegged as the rangers #1 prospect by a pretty good group of rangers guys coming into this year, and who has better stuff and is a bigger talent than kiker.
kiker “cracking” the majors at 22 is not something that is going to happen soon, most def not this year and probably not next year as a SP. kiker is a guy who was seen as a reach when he was drafted. kiker was a guy who was seen as mediocre prospect coming into this year.
yes, he has done quite well in AA. but top 10 in the rangers loaded system? he is a guy without a superhigh ceiling (think beltre), without a fairly high floor (think beavan), who could quite easily be a bullpen arm. heres a pretty good/serious question — what is different between kiker and zach phillips (other than age)?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Main vs Kiker
basically he and kiker have about the same stats (main higher k/9, kiker lower bb/9)
At Clinton at age 19:
Kiker: 7.8 H/9, 0.9 HR/9, 3.8 BB/9, 10.5 K/9 in 96.1 innings
Main: 7.5 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 2.6 BB/9, 9.9 K/9 in 45.1 innings
At Bakersfield at age 20:
Kiker: 10.2 H/9, 1.0 HR/9, 2.7 BB/9, 8.2 K/9 in 121.2 innings
Main: 11.7 H/9, 1.5 HR/9, 6.0 BB/9, 7.5 K/9 in 54 innings
I tend to value actual performance over potential especially once you start getting toward the upper levels of the minors. As you can see Main and Kiker had very similar Clinton seasons except Kiker was able to put up over twice as many innings as Main was. Then their next years Kiker had better numbers while again more than doubling Mains inning totals. Now Kiker is putting up good numbers in AA. For me Main has got to start producing or all that hype over his instructs means nothing. The good part is none of his injuries have been to his pitching arm or legs which may hurt his development. Now its more about getting back into the groove and back on the mound than rehabbing. But I think its silly to rank Main above Kiker simply because his “stuff” is better when he hasn’t been healthy enough to show us that and when he was healthy he was either not as good or just as good as Kiker was himself
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Main's ceiling is just so much higher than Kiker's
that your post is meaningless to me. I’ll drop Main lower than Kiker if he has leprosy and his arm falls off.
Ok, that’s hyperbole there. Kiker looks like a back of the roto or bullpen guy. Main could be a 2nd starter on a good team. The only thing Kiker has on Main is health.
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yuuup
healthy main >>> healthy kiker
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
His ceiling may be higher
But the longer he goes without sniffing it the lower he goes on my prospect list. Right now Kiker has made the most of his time on this organization and Main hasn’t. Therefore Kiker is above Main in rankings
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Okay...
but does that mean guys like Scheppers and Purke need to be below Kiker as well because they haven’t done anything in the organization to date?
Main’s ceiling is far too high to put Kiker ahead of him imo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
clearly scheppers and purke can not be graded
nor can any of the recently signed latin guys (there is actually an arguement for this)
also we should ignore all stats under AA, because they are not always facing age appropriate competition — the DSL might as well not exist. we shouldnt go off of instructional reports either, they arent real games and dont count. extended ST is a waste of everyones time, etc, etc, etc
at some point when creating a prospect list you list players with high ceilings. or else calvin pickering would be a top 10 prospect in all of baseball and the lizard would be a damn good pitching prospect.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 15, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
It would be nice if Kiker quite hitting so many batters.
Is it a lack of control, uncontrollable stuff or “just hit the mascot, Meat”?
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I'm going Ross
he’s got the stuff, and has excellent polish to go with it. The only knock is his size.
I went Main, but this one was tough
Kiker or Wieland are equally deserving, in my opinion, but I can’t imagine placing Main lower than 10th. Next few for me will likely be Kiker then Wieland, Boscan, MaxRam, and either Ross or Poveda.
Going with Max again
So it looks like the top ten is going to shape up with two position players and eight pitchers.
by GregoryM on Jul 14, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions
Max, Max, Max.
Just figured I’d throw it out there.
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Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Deep Deep Deep Sleepers
Keep an eye on DSL Rangers 2 outfielder Teodoro Martinez. The 17 year-old Venezuelan and son of former major leaguer Carlos Martinez, has excellent tools. He is still raw, but currently outperforming 2008’s much hyped LA free agent, Esdras Abreu.
Rangers 2 is a stacked team. Another interesting player is 17 year-old catcher Luis Cedeno. The power isnt there yet, but he has a hitter’s frame and a solid approach at the plate. 3B Alfredo Chalas is yet another hitter that has stateside potential.
I can’t wait to see what that AZL roster looks like next season. Ridiculous.
by jparks77 on Jul 14, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So have you found Steve Nebraska yet, or what's the deal there?
And, on a more serious note, what do you know of our LA class this year?
Are Profar and Sardinas the real deal?
Any other big names still unsigned we’re in on?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Very interesting stuff.
Thanks.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Percolo
The LA class this year is very, very strong. Preller and Co. will definitely keep the pipeline of Latin American talent flowing. Because of the skill and diligence of the international scouts the Rangers employ, the team can uncover 50K guys and 100K guys that have everything the 500K/1MM guys have, minus the price tag.
Profar and Sardinas have tremendous upside, but some of the lesser names that will emerge as the summer continues will have serious potential as well. It’s scary how deep this system goes. Just wait until guys like Rijo, Melo, Escobar, and Alvarez start to harness their stuff. Just wait until guys like Thompson, Tullis, and De Los Santos hit full season ball.
whose your fav signings of the last 2 years
in the non 500k+ bonus category
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Telis
Telis was a steal at 130K. In ’08, LHP Luis Parra and SS Odubel Herrera were under 500K as well, and I really like those guys. OF Hector Martinez, while still expensive, has something.
Feliz was in the 100K range. They can be found.
I just sent you an email, but since you are here
what can you tell us about Edwin Escobar?
Early returns are that he has the k/bb thing down and he has the gb/fb thing going for him as well. Any thoughts on double E that you can share with the group?
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
Escobar
Good combo of size/stuff/intelligence. Can flash an upper 80s/ low 90s fastball that should develop into a pitch that can sit in the low 90s (with movement) and touch a little higher. He has a good feel for command and is athletic enough to make adjustments. Apparently he can throw a decent breaking ball, but his change is still in the early stages.
He is very promising. I was cautious about where I ranked him because of the sample sizes involved. The scouting reports are glowing, though.
by jparks77 on Jul 14, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Or Ted
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 15, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the update, Jason.
This depth is getting very, very scary.
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So KoK said he's voting for Hurley a lot later in this thing
I’m wondering where everyone else sees Hurley falling on their list? ML ready starter, could be a mid rotation guy, he’ll be only 24 next season. Where does he fit into the rankings? I kind of completely forgot about him until now with the whole injury thing, but I’m thinking he should probably start getting some love around this part of the rankings.
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I have him as the 16th guy right now, the very last of my B- guys.
But you know he’s gonna land a lot lower than that.
Injuries like his are very scary, and there’s no guarantee he’ll come back at even 80-90% of what he was, let alone 100%. Also people tend to vote based on who’s occupying their mind at the time. Hurley’s been completely absent for the better part of a year now, and that’s gonna hurt him a ton.
And you know KoK is gonna bust out his flawed “Hasn’t done anything since AA” argument and we’re gonna have to hate each other for a month or so after I get frustrated and call him names and/or hunt down and bang his Mom in retaliation.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't decide on Hurley
that injury is scary. I’m probably in the upper teens, though.
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Did we ever find out
if it was a torn labrum, a frayed labrum or something else?
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The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 14, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Add that to the list of questions for Newberg Night
along with “what the hell is up with Michael Main?”
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heh
really and truly hes not that horrid lol you have him at 16, i have him no lower than 20 — which isnt a lot of difference in the grand scheme of things
that said, i dont know which would be a bigger joke to me — kiker at 10 or hurley at 10 last year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
i think hes in the 18-20 range
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Went Kiker again
Main next. I like Tommy, but definitely don’t have him above those two. I can see the reasoning for it by some since he is already in Arlington.
Also, rec’d this one…but isn’t it time for some folks to unrec the three at the top?
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I know this is off topic but,
I was wondering if you guys would like to see more coverage on the latin market and also the DSL?
Of course we would
and you can do that?
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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 14, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well not exactly...
I’m in college right now and I was wondering if i could get paid to do that anywhere. It would be a dream come true. If some magazine paper or website were willing to pay me i would start next summer after this school year. Its just an idea though.
there is most def a place for that here
i would think there is an ever expanding market for it (for example, while BA has had a monopoly on that historically, Baseabll Prospectus and ESPN jumping into the frey should help it quite a bit) — if we /i can help you out at all let us/me know
your talking about like on-site prospecting, right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you....
What i would like to do is maybe travel to the latin markets and hot spots where the best players are for that year. Maybe interview scouts,coaches, and players etc. Basically keep people up to date and more informed on what its like for players over in latin areas. Also to give people a more in depth look at those good latin players. The problem being is the money to back it. I wouldn’t think it would be too substantial of a cost but who knows.
My advice would be
to start up your own site (maybe with the support of a community like SBNation). Mags/Papers are a dying breed.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
+1
wish they had given (or would give) andy one — would have a damn good following i would think
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 14, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
With Scheppers and Purke already being ranked...
How far down is Tom Mendonca? Does he even crack the top 30? That seems like a big drop off from a supplemental pick to a 2nd round pick.
by GregoryM on Jul 14, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions
Scheppers was a top 10 talent
that fell. Mendonca was drafted right where he was supposed to be drafted. That’s the difference.
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Who is this Tom Mendonca?
Has anybody actually heard of him?
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I finally have some company with Kiker
So far:
- Smoak
- Feliz
- Perez
- Kiker
- Purke
- missed
- missed
- missed
- Kiker
- Kiker
Tomorrow I have to think again.
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by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 14, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions
This is how you voted in each poll right?
Mine
1. Perez
2. Perez
3. Perez
4. Purke
5. Purke
6. Font
7. Ross
8. No poll (tie)
9. Ross
10. Ross
Had to go Max again
Until I hear something definitively bad about his wrists I’m assuming they’re (a) going to be fine; and (b) partially to blame for his struggles this year.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Yep.
I think they’re 100% to blame for his struggles this year.
I know AAA is a higher level of competetion than AA, but Max has done nothing but hit his entire minor league career. For me to believe he suddenly lost the ability to do so against AAA pitching is a stretch for me. I think if his wrists had been healthy he’d be up to his normal .850-.900 OPS shenanigans.
But then again I’m also in the minority who thinks he can be a servicable major league catcher. I have no delussions about him being a plus defense guy, but even if he’s simply below average behind the plate that stick will make him a special player.
Honestly if I was 100% sure about your point A (him coming all the way back from these wrist problems eventually), I’d have him at #6.
I love Max.
Love, love, love.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Point A
If I was sure of that I’d have him right behind Font (my #6) and ahead of Main.
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Is there any precedence
for this type of injury? Rehab time, effects on power? I’m remember Teixeira sitting a game or two with tendinitis earlier this season…
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Yep, he didn't appear to my eyes
to be the hopeless case on D that is the opinion du jour around these parts.
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 15, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow...
my top 10 is quite a bit different from LSB :
1) Feliz
2) Smoak
3) Perez
4) Main
5) Scheppers
6) Font
7) Purke
8) Borbon
9) Boscan
10) Wieland
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Yeah
but a blown up shoulder will do that to you.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 14, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm not sure why Hurley
is on this list as that is a career-threatening injury -RC and Labrum. He might not come back until mid 2010 pitch 1/2 yr in the minors rehab some more over the break and then maybe we get a sense of how he will be during ST of 2011. I wonder if he is the odd man out during a severe 40 man squeeze.
just to interject
Looking forward to your team/prospect reviews.
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by hightowersmith on Jul 15, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. I'm going to roll
them out slowly I think – cpu issues the last couple weeks or I would have has them done already…
Why the big deal over this?
I’m not arguing, mind you.
I don’t really care one way or the other, just wondering.
Good posts get pushed off the rec’d list for shit ones all the time, is it really a huge deal if the CPP’s push them off at a higher rate during the next 15-20 days?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
just go to mavsmoneyball
if you want mavs talk
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then dont get upset when mavs threads get bumped
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just sayin, you want mavs talk go to a mavs site
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i want mavs talk where i can get good mavs talk.
by octoberty on Jul 14, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
here
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/7/14/949670/mavs-talk-thread
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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 14, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Mavsmoneyball sucks.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I stopped posting over there.
Do you still frequent?
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by inactive lsb user on Jul 14, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Nay.
I stopped caring much about the Mavs after they got Bavetta’d by Stern and company in the “Finals”, but even when I do jones for some Mavs talk I don’t go there.
Wes doesn’t really take running that site seriously and it shows in the weak ass community they’ve got going over there. A blog community is only as strong as the foundation laid down by its leader(s) and so the site never took off and never will. It’s a shame, but w/e.
You get much better Mavs/NBA talk here than you’ll ever get there, imo.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 14, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Basically
you’re doing good work and peeps love the CPP list. However when all of the rec’d post are of your mug, pretty as it may be, it pushes other quality posts off. People should just rec the newest CPP and unrec the old ones. Simple enough.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
Just curious...
where does everyone have Robert Erlin on their lists? Past 25? Past 30?
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
hes def a top 30 guy
hopefully for everyone
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 15, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
people really hate on Mike Main now
ridic
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 15, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions
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