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lol

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 14, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I may be completely off-base here,

but I was more excited about getting Gortat than I am about Marion. Still pretty pissed about that. Anyone have any idea of who the Mavs might target next? I read on DB about Odom possibly being an option with Buckner, but that really just doesn’t do it for me

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott

by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Jul 15, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lakers

withdrew their offer for odom per espn. mavs have a pretty good shot then depending on what the jazz does with millsap

by Texican8 on Jul 15, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: Ex-NBA star Walker faces Vegas casino debt

A warrant has been issued for the arrest of former NBA star Antoine Walker on criminal charges stemming from $822,500 in gambling debts. Walker is accused of three felony counts of writing bad checks. County prosecutors say he failed to make good on 10 checks totaling $1 million written to Caesars Palace, Planet Hollywood and the Red Rock Resort.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/31911195/ns/sports-nba/

by GregoryM on Jul 15, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I read the subject line

and thought, Samaki Walker is back in the news…

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jul 15, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he make

close to 100 million during his career?

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 15, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And has now been arrested. While in a Casino.
Rotoworld has learned that Antoine Walker was arrested Wednesday night at Harrah’s Casino in South Lake Tahoe, Nevada.
The charges stemmed from over $800,000 in gambling debts. He was led out of the high stakes area in handcuffs by Douglas County police in front of a celebrity-heavy crowd. Walker was in Tahoe to play in the American Century Classic, a celebrity golf tournament. Walker is currently in a Douglas County jail. Bail has been set at $87,000.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He ought to be able to pay it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walkean02.html

SalariesAbout ▪ CSV ▪ PRE
Season Team Lg Salary
1996-97 Boston Celtics NBA $1,620,000
1997-98 Boston Celtics NBA $1,864,080
1998-99 Boston Celtics NBA $2,107,000
1999-00 Boston Celtics NBA $9,000,000
2000-01 Boston Celtics NBA $10,130,000
2001-02 Boston Celtics NBA $11,250,000
2002-03 Boston Celtics NBA $12,375,000
2003-04 Dallas Mavericks NBA $13,500,000
2004-05 Total NBA $14,625,000
2005-06 Miami Heat NBA $6,880,000
2006-07 Miami Heat NBA $7,606,820
2007-08 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $8,329,640
Career (may be incomplete) $99,287,540

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 17, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ought to....

But you never know with these guys.

by tyd3311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bill Simmons says

that it’s a well known fact that many NBA stars live paycheck to paycheck (which is why he thinks Stern will lockout the players in a year or so — because they can’t live their lifestyle without the income).

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 17, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine

living paycheck to paycheck with paychecks that big? Using Antoine’s annual salary from the Mavericks, and assuming he gets paid every other week over the whole 52 week year (which you assume they’d have to if they live paycheck to paycheck), you have a little over a quarter million every 2 week period (assuming you lose half the check to taxes, agent fees, etc.) to burn through.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 17, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember

Shaq had 1.3 million a month in expenses.

That was without childcare payments, which alot of these athletes have.

by tyd3311 on Jul 17, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everytime I see those things

I keep wonder why “players” like Shaq get married at all.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 17, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on,

how funny is it that he got arrested in a casino?

by GregoryM on Jul 17, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want Morris Almond.
Morris Almond, who remains unsigned after being taken in the first round of the 2007 draft by the Jazz, scored 17 points for the Knicks in Tuesday’s summer league game.
Almond hit 7-of-12 shots, was 3-of-6 from 3-point range and reminded many folks of a guy named Allan Houston. Almond isn’t a guy you’ll want to draft until the final round, if at all, in fantasy leagues. But he might become a hot waiver-wire pick up in Mike D’Antoni’s offense this season. He’s still not officially on the Knicks’ roster, but appears to be headed in that direction.

Source: New York Pos

Former Rice great.

by tyd3311 on Jul 15, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Problems with the Mavs

Is that 3 of your best players now play the 3 or 4 spot. Also, you’re owner way over paid Kidd, and hamstrung himself in signing other players. Most of all your best players are over 30 or will be when the season starts. Also, not getting Gortat hurts a lot. No question, you are improved as a team talent wise, but how will it translate to the court? That’s the big question.

by Big50 on Jul 15, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon know your facts
Also, you’re owner way over paid Kidd, and hamstrung himself in signing other players

The team was already over the luxury tax limit, so paying Kidd didn’t affect their ability to sign anyone else.

. Most of all your best players are over 30 or will be when the season starts.

Age hasn’t been a reason to discount the Spurs and Celtics of recent years — why does age make a big difference for the Mavs but not the other teams?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 15, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here are some facts

Why sign a player for that kind of money, when he is clearly well past his prime and you could spend the same money on somebody who’s better? It’s not like Cuban can’t afford more guys, but that money could have been spent elsewhere. Cuban’s a smart enough guy to have a budget. With a budget you only have so much to spend, he spent a huge chunk on a guy who’s way past his prime. If they could have gotten Kidd for a good price, then it would have been a solid move.

Here’s the thing. The Mavs have one great player. Dirk. He’s a stud, he’s consistent and he’s your best player. Kidd, Howard, Terry and Marion are all nice players some of them are even really good. When you’re relying on 3 or 4 of your players to carry a load and they aren’t top notch talent to begin with, it gets much harder to win when they start getting older. The Mavs have gotten older and other teams, like the Spurs, have spent the off season getting younger. The Spurs and Celtics each have 3 great players, that’s why they can be older and still win.

Also, I’d like for you to address the fact that your Mavs have become an all wing team. You’re sporting more wings than the Knicks did a few years ago. How’s that going to work?

by Big50 on Jul 16, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?
Why sign a player for that kind of money, when he is clearly well past his prime and you could spend the same money on somebody who’s better? It’s not like Cuban can’t afford more guys, but that money could have been spent elsewhere.

First, they are over the cap. They only money they could’ve spent to sign a FA other than Kidd was the MLE and the BAE. So, how do you expect them to find someone better? Next, who is better that was available? Give me names. The FACT is that the salary they spent on Kidd is irrelevant in signing other players. It doesn’t affect the money they are allowed to spend on FA’s per NBA rules. Is that above your head? If they had given Kidd $4M per year instead of $8M per year — how does that help them sign anyone else this year?

I’m skipping your second paragraph because the age thing is completely overblown. Kidd is the only one that is truly “old.” None of the other are “young” — but they aren’t “old.” It’s going to be a bigger problem in future years than it is this year.

Also, I’d like for you to address the fact that your Mavs have become an all wing team. You’re sporting more wings than the Knicks did a few years ago. How’s that going to work?

OK, I’m assuming you mean Howard and Marion? How does 2 players = an all wing team? If you’re including guys like Ross and Matt Freakin Carroll who aren’t going to play a ton, I don’t see your point. Doesn’t every team start 2 wings?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 16, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's probably referring to essentially trading Bowen for Jefferson

But, yeah it’s not like they have a team full of rookies — just like the mavs don’t have a team full of guys on the last legs of their NBA careers.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 16, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Bowen started 10 games last year and averaged 18 mpg. You replaced 29 year old Matt Bonner with 29 year old Richard Jefferson—an absolute upgrade, of course, but I’m not seeing the youth. Add in the big acquisition of Dice, and I don’t see what basis exists for the comment.

Unless, of course, he’s referring to big fat Blair, which, if he is, is a moronically invalid basis to compare negatively with Dallas, who has its own rookies.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agree

But that’s gotta be his thinking, because otherwise they didn’t get any younger than Dallas.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 16, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Spurs, traded Thomas(37), Oberto (34) and Bowen(35) for Jefferson (29). They have not resign Vaugh(mid 30’s) or Udoka (mid 30’s). They have signed Haislip (28) and got Bliar(22) in the draft. McDyess (35) is older, obviously, but still younger than Thomas. The spurs will also be bringing in several guys from their Summer League roster, including Hairston (early 20’s). Overall, a much younger team.

by Big50 on Jul 17, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mavs

Drafted Beaubois (21), Calathes (20) and Nivins (22). Traded Stackhouse (34), George (31), and Wright (25) for Marion (32), Humphries (24), Jawai (22), and Buckner (32 and will not be on the roster). They signed Ross (27) and Bass (24) left.

Resigning Kidd doesn’t make them older because he was a part of the team last year anyway.

You’re right — the Mavs got a lot older, uh-huh.

Care to explain your assertion that the Mavs “have become an all wing team?”

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 17, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright...

Dude, I’m sorry if I pissed you off. I’m not trying to start anything. I’m giving opinions that are based on things I’ve read about the Mavs. Admittedly, I’m not a Mavs fan, although I do root for them when the Spurs are not involved, so I do not follow them religiously.

My point is there were better players out there for the Mavs to get than Kidd. Rasheed Wallace(Mavs could use a big with his skill), Ben Gordon(would have taken pressure off of Terry being the only scoring guard), Charlie Villanueva(another scoring big to help Dirk), Antonio McDyess(Good defensive big). There are just some of the guys the Mavs could have gone after to help more than Kidd will help, IMO. Unless Kidd signed under the Bird rule, I’m not sure how they didn’t use money they could have spent on other players, but I’ll take your word for it (also, if they spend 4 mil instead of 8 mil, you can get some good players for 4 mil a year)

Dirk is basically a wing player. He doesn’t post up and isn’t a great post defender. Terry, Marion, Howard are all wings or wing players. The Mavs have Damp and….I’m not sure in the middle, the loss of Bass hurts here. That’s not to good, Gortat would have helped a lot. The thing is the top rotation for the Mavs are wing type players. They don’t have any solid interior play what so ever. I like Berea and I think that he and Kidd will be fine, but it’s them and Damp in the main rotation that aren’t wing guys. If they are banking on some of the unknown guys to fill those voids, that’s a big hole when playing teams like the Spurs, Lakers, Cavs, Celtics, Magic, ect.

As I said before, I think that over all the Mavs are improved over last year. I’m interested to see how all the new players meld together. The Spurs have the same question, albeit less of a hole on the inside depth is more the question for them. I haven’t been trying to attack the Mavs. I hope they do well, it’s always a better season and more interesting playoffs when the Mavs are good.

by Big50 on Jul 17, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't understand the cap rules, do you?

They couldn’t spend any money on any players except their own free agents. That’s it. All those other guys you mentioned would’ve had to be sign and trades.

LOL at suggesting they should throw all that money at Ben Gordon to play on the same team as Terry. That’s some good analysis.

Plus, you seem to be advocating the Mavs shouldn’t have re-signed Kidd and gotten a Power Forward or something like that instead. So they’d be rolling JJB as the point guard out there? Come on, from the Mavs perspective, re-signing Kidd was their #1 priority for a reason.

You didn’t piss me off, it’s just very very clear that you don’t really know what you are talking about.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 17, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can still use their MLE and BAE if they choose

so, they could spend money on other players — I misspoke above.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 17, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I don’t know what I’m talking about….let me set this up:

The Mavs can sign Kidd and have two PG’s (not a bad thing). One who’s old and on the downside of his career and one who’s young and has not reached his full potential. Also, this young PG can play with the Parkers, Pauls and Williams of the league while Kidd gets owned by all of the above. Kidd is clearly the guy you need to resign and do so at high price, regardless of how it effects your other moves is really that valuable to this team?

Gordon, a extremely high quality offense 2 guard, could not fit in with Terry because…? One would start and the other would come off the bench. It’s not the ideal especially because of Gordon’s high price tag, but Gordon’s going to be pretty good behind Rip Hamilton (who is better than Terry) for the Pistons.

If you’re biggest weakness as a team is in the middle, and it has been for the Mavs for some time, how is it not beneficial to use some money to get a quality big? The Mavs did try with Gortat, and it would have been a really good move to pick him up. Also, as you mentioned, they can still use their MLE and BAE to get players without signing and trading.

I enjoy the way that you rip all of the things I say and yet you don’t back up why:

Plus, you seem to be advocating the Mavs shouldn’t have re-signed Kidd and gotten a Power Forward or something like that instead. So they’d be rolling JJB as the point guard out there? Come on, from the Mavs perspective, re-signing Kidd was their #1 priority for a reason.

This doesn’t give me a reason that JJB can’t be your starting PG, it simply says that Dallas wanted Kidd really badly. I know that.
LOL at suggesting they should throw all that money at Ben Gordon to play on the same team as Terry. That’s some good analysis.

Ok, so why do you disagree with what I said? Anybody can say “that’s dumb”, tell me why your idea is better.

I’m tired of being told I don’t know what I’m talking about when I’m the only one throwing out opinions. Write up something that I can read and say “oh, yeah that makes sense, he’s right”.

by Big50 on Jul 17, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

Ben Gordon is an undersized 2 with no defense. Jason Terry is an undersized 2 with no defense.

Seem smart to you?

JJ Barea is not a good PG. He shouldn’t even be a backup at the position.

Rasheed Wallace has minimal value on this roster, and negative value really, when you consider the opportunity costs of signing him.

Any other brain busters?

by brettgardner on Jul 17, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry and Gordon

bring the exact same things to the table. There’s a reason why neither guy starts in the NBA on a regular basis.

So I don’t know what I’m talking about….let me set this up:

The Mavs can sign Kidd and have two PG’s (not a bad thing). One who’s old and on the downside of his career and one who’s young and has not reached his full potential. Also, this young PG can play with the Parkers, Pauls and Williams of the league while Kidd gets owned by all of the above. Kidd is clearly the guy you need to resign and do so at high price, regardless of how it effects your other moves is really that valuable to this team?

Goodness. For the 100th time — re-signing Kidd didn’t affect the Mavs’ pursuit of any other players. They were over the cap as it was, and considering all other impact players would require a S&T or the MLE, re-signing Kidd was an absolute must. What other true PG’s were out there?

The Mavs could still use their MLE — or they could still trade Buckner/Williams for another “big.” The offseason isn’t over yet.

Ok, so why do you disagree with what I said? Anybody can say "that’s dumb", tell me why your idea is better.

I’m tired of being told I don’t know what I’m talking about when I’m the only one throwing out opinions. Write up something that I can read and say "oh, yeah that makes sense, he’s right".

I’ve done that throughout this entire discussion. You just don’t understand the cap rules apparently.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 17, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

How clueless can you be?

by brettgardner on Jul 17, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Ok

Brilliant, I think I might agree with you now…oh wait, you didn’t have anything constructive to say or something that might help me get a clue?

by Big50 on Jul 17, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again

Signing Kidd did not preclude the Mavs from signing anyone else. They had Kidd’s Bird Rights and were already over the cap. With or without Kidd the Mavs ablility to sign free agents from other teams is unchanged.

by bflood36 on Jul 21, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He cannot grasp that

I’ve said it over and over and over again.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 21, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suck

The Mavs are probably in a lot of trouble. Although, I think they could be interesting if they could somehow get Odom (one of the most underrated guys in the NBA). If they fully gave in to running and put a line-up of Kidd-Howard-Marion-Odom-Dirk they would at least be a lot of fun.

I saw that the Lakers cut off talks with Odom, but they hold all the cards since they are the ONLY ones who can offer more than the Mid-level. The Lakers are just playing hard-ball because Odom has no choice. Maybe they will piss him off though.

In a year if they could use the Damp contract to score Bosh….A lineup of Kidd-Marion-Odom-Dirk-Bosh would be insane. That would be a nightmare matchup for everyone.

"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs

by BAC on Jul 15, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really

playing Marion at the 2 is tough because even he may not be able to guard the smaller PG’s that Kidd can’t handle.

IIRC, the Mavs will usually bump Kidd to guarding the bigger of two guards, while our SG will have to hold their tiny, speedy PG’s.

"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem

by Chase Irwin on Jul 15, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
A lineup of Kidd-Marion-Odom-Dirk-Bosh would be insane.

"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem

by Chase Irwin on Jul 15, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops

I was looking at the lineup in the first paragraph, not the last.

by cstorm15 on Jul 16, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember the last time they tried that?

Nash-Finley-Daniels/Jamison-Walker-Dirk?

Worst season ever.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

David Thorpe tweets...
# DeAndre Jordan.

# I think the player I’ve seen grow the most in a year is…

It may be too late to grab him on the down low.

by tyd3311 on Jul 15, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

x
if Collison is the 21st pick, and Thornton is a 2nd rounder, then this draft is better than expected.

I said it many times. Wasn’t a top heavy class, but deep with players who can play.

by tyd3311 on Jul 15, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kinda gutted Collison went sort of early

Would you have taken him over Beaubois, if it was before he showed what he has in Summer League?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy

It has been a really crappy last week for teams I like.

The Mavs get punched in the gut on Gortat.

The Stars lose out on their bid to sign their goalie of the future, and we hear yesterday that Zubov (probably my favorite Dallas Star) is gone.

Arsenal loses out on Felipe Melo and sells Adebayor to City.

F sports.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 15, 2009 8:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the zubov thing sucks for sure

but he has barely played the last 2 seasons so it’s not like they’ll miss him.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 15, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it depends on how you look at it

They were atrocious last season in PP, etc. So, yeah, if your expectations are that they match their worst in the league showing last season in those areas, they won’t miss him. But not bringing him back, as much of an empty promise as that might have been, and not doing a single thing to replace him is bad. And as I said, it’s one of those sentimental things as well for me.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 16, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well they still have time to do something to replace him, right?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 17, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

City has straight cash homie.

Could’ve got Kaka as well.

I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon

by AirJordan on Jul 15, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm getting over it myself...

DB.com has persuaded me on the strategy of using these expiring contracts…it dovetails with everything I’ve read about the economic state of the league.

The Mavs wouldn’t be attempting on these guys if they didn’t view this as go time. So even though Gortat’s a bummer…he’d have been in for the exception…I’m curious what that loss inspires them to do.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jul 15, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

Not overly disappointed because I was cautiously optimistic in the first place. Gortat is almost certainly an upgrade over Damp, and Damp HAS to be upgraded, so we’re not as good right now as we would have been, but if we can get a different upgrade for cheaper, then I might be just as happy or happier.

This Odom talk is ponderous, however.

by brettgardner on Jul 15, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't it seem

That Camby, Chandler, and Curry are the only viable options?

by brettgardner on Jul 15, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much.

Has the paperwork officially been filed for Gortat? And I know it seems like a joke, but I wouldn’t mind Kwame Brown for Buckner as a last resort to hold us over til’ the trade deadline.

by tyd3311 on Jul 15, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't agree.

He’s worse than Damp.

But in other news, it looks like Miami is trying to sign (or S&T) Odom AND get Boozer in a three-way with Memphis involving Dorrell Wright to Memphis and Haslem to Utah. If it happened, that’d be a pretty salty lineup.

by brettgardner on Jul 15, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Chalmers, Wade, Odom, Boozer, O’Neal. If O’Neal’s health is progressing, that’s about as good as it gets.

by tyd3311 on Jul 15, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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<a href="http://Would ya?" target="new">Would ya?

May seem like a little “meh” return, but I guess it just depends on whether or not you think Rudy is going to be special. I have doubts as to whether Portland would, either.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Fucked up the formatting pretty nicely.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Przybilla is a stiff

but give me Rudy, sure.

"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem

by Chase Irwin on Jul 16, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figure

Pryz and Damp could combine to equal a pretty decent NBA C.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would in a heartbeat

But yeah, Portland probably wouldn’t, because they can’t trust Oden to be healthy.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surely you're not disappointed about Adebayor

Dude was all about the money, couldn’t finish for shit and you ended up getting 22mm for him. I’d say RVP resigning was a positive that far outweighed the loss of Adebayor.

I’m assuming Arsene will bring in a replacement that noone’s ever heard of who’ll do the job about as well.

by LiamP on Jul 15, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, it could be worse.

You could’ve brought in an over-the-hill midget with both of his knees missing to help fill the massive gap left by the departure of your best player.

by LiamP on Jul 15, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That hurts...

"There is the Vegetarian Hot Pocket for those of us who don't want to eat meat, but would still like diarrhea." Jim Gaffigan

by Suicide Prince on Jul 16, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a United fan too.

It most definitely does hurt.

by LiamP on Jul 16, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The price would be fine

but I don’t think that you can make the assumption that they’re going to find an equivalent replacement, and this is a big year for Arsenal. They needed to upgrade on the back end and imo hold what they had up front for once. Melo and Vermaelen would have been a very intriguing element to add, but now they’re just sort of in the same boat that they were in this time last year, when they didn’t do anything to fix it either. Song and Denilson are a year further along, but I don’t think that either is the answer yet.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 16, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Song could turn out to be pretty good.

Melo was incredibly overpriced IMO. I think you’d be better off if you got one of the other rumored CM targets (M. Diarra, Toulalan, Cana).

Seems like Arsene’s in for Chamakh too, who looks to be a pretty nifty player and a fairly direct replacement for Adebayor. I don’t know, maybe my distaste for Adebayor is clouding my judgment, but I think you’re much better off getting rid of him.

by LiamP on Jul 16, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve only seen youtube videos of Chamakh, but I hear pretty universal sighs when his name comes up. The French don’t seem to think he’s very good. Wenger tends to know his French players pretty well, but even if a guy like this proves to be a good signing, he will likely take time to acclimate, and they can’t afford to start poorly again. That’s my concern with swapping Adebayor out, not that I think Arsenal will suffer without him long term.

I’d be fine with a couple of those CMs, they’re just more names on the rotating candidate list that has never been very close to making it to London. I’m just not confident that those two young guys get the job done, particularly in front of that defensive group in 2009. They need a more veteran, more rugged presence.

Song my turn out to be a solid player, but again, the issue is the now, not 2012. And Melo was overpriced for sure, but part of that was mitigated by Fiorentina seeming willing to overvalue Eboue as well. On that level it would have been a two birds with one stone deal.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 16, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'll be an interesting season to be sure.

I’m preparing for the inevitability of #19 for Liverpool, because they look by far the favorites right now (assuming they keep Alonso and Mascherano).

I’ve only seen youtube videos of Chamakh, but I hear pretty universal sighs when his name comes up. The French don’t seem to think he’s very good. Wenger tends to know his French players pretty well, but even if a guy like this proves to be a good signing, he will likely take time to acclimate, and they can’t afford to start poorly again. That’s my concern with swapping Adebayor out, not that I think Arsenal will suffer without him long term.

Agree, which is why Eduardo staying healthy is absolutely vital this year. If he forms a decent partnership with RVP and with a full year of Arshavin, I don’t think it looks all that grim up front.

I’d be fine with a couple of those CMs, they’re just more names on the rotating candidate list that has never been very close to making it to London. I’m just not confident that those two young guys get the job done, particularly in front of that defensive group in 2009. They need a more veteran, more rugged presence.

Well, Diarra’s a distinct possibility this summer. Arsene’s miserly ways and Aulas managing to extract the maximum amount of money from everyone probably means Toulalan’s out of the question. Cana seems like exactly the type of player Arsene would be in for though.

Dunno, it’s hard to get a handle on what Arsene plans on doing. Look at the smoke and mirrors involved in the Arshavin signing.

Song my turn out to be a solid player, but again, the issue is the now, not 2012. And Melo was overpriced for sure, but part of that was mitigated by Fiorentina seeming willing to overvalue Eboue as well. On that level it would have been a two birds with one stone deal.

I’m really not sure about the 15mm + Eboue rumors. Either way, Juventus offered up 22mm (right?) and I’m not sure that Arsenal would’ve topped that. I don’t think it’s a case of you losing the player rather than Juventus being willing to spend more.

by LiamP on Jul 16, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on Juventus

still a disappointing development, though. I guess I’ll just have to see how the next few weeks go.Unlike the Mavs situation, there are plenty of other possibilities that would work great, if they could just get one of them done. I really wish that if they were going to bring in another key player in the summer that they would get it done with some time to get him integrated, though, rather than right at the deadline.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 16, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

The whole Adebayor situation still hasn’t been finalized yet because he’s stalling in anticipation of something from AC Milan. I’m curious to see how it all ends.

by LiamP on Jul 17, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And nevermind.

City deal confirmed.

by LiamP on Jul 18, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#
# david b. thorpe Blatche. Odom. Thomas(tyrus and tim). Smith(Josh). Clark. Very similar guys. Too talented for their own good.

Yep. Earl Clark, can’t wait to see what he has.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 12:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Earl Clark

was one of my favorite prospects coming out of that draft. I’m actually still a little surprised he didn’t go early, with that skillset…

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does everyone think of the Von Wafer idea db.com is talking about?

LINK

I like the idea in principle, but do you start him and bench Josh? Or does he come off the bench and play with Terry alot?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 16, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like it as plan F.

I’d really like to take one of Miller, Foye, or, preferably, Nick Young off of Washington’s hands, though.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agree with that

But even if you get one of those guys — does it mean Josh is traded?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 16, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't know.

My gut says he’s a Maverick to start the year.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would it take

to get Nick Young off Washington’s hands?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know. If it were me trading him, something pretty darn good.

And the problem is, they don’t really have any bad contracts, aside from Arenas, that you could take off their hands.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Von Wafer

He couldn’t get regular playing time in Houston because of his defensive liabilities.

When Rick Adelman says, hey, you don’t play enough d to play for me, he’s not a good fit in Dallas.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 16, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's been improving every year, though.

Look, I’m not gonna jump for joy if we get Von Wafer—anymore than I did for Quinton Ross, anyway, because that’s about the level of contribution I’d be expecting.

I’m still pulling for an Okafor/Bell trade, though I know it’s terribly unlikely.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But they got Ross to be the defensive SG/SF type of guy.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 16, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not me

That makes Marion angry, and we wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I take back what I said.

Howard and Marion both have to start as long as there here.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

And that’s the problem. The only way I’m fine with Howard starting is if he slashes again, but I see no reason to hope for that.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there was some evidence...

Unfortunately it doesn’t appear consistent, and with that ankle…

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

That ankle seems to guarantee his game will continue to be played from the paint out.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get the feeling

That this time next year, Roddy and Ross will be seen as the best acquisitions of the offseason.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For Dallas?

Since they’re two of the three fairly significant roster additions, and the other was Marion, that seems to only require Marion not working out great.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 16, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hah

I certainly hope that Beaubois is looked at as a big pickup. It would really dull the sting of moving Harris. The fact that they’ll probably win 50+ games this year helps a lot with that too.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 16, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would that be 10x50?

Even without a title, that’s still pretty impressive.

I’m starting to warm more and more of Beaubois possibly reaching Harris’s level.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he'll exceed

His PG capabilities pretty early on in his career.

If he matches the point production,my Mavs-pants will explode.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Stein
Philadelphia’s ever-available Samuel Dalembert would appear to make more sense for the Mavs, given his shot-blocking ability and mobility, as they search for a center to fill the void created by Orlando’s decision to match Dallas’ five-year, $34 million offer sheet to Marcin Gortat.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about that earlier today

Would you use the buckshot approach (in its traditional sense, not the DB term du jour)—i.e. unload every single expiring—to get Speights too and hope that we could then trade Howard and/or Damp for a 2 and some roster filler, including a backup PG?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mkbs3l

I wouldn’t, but this is just a fanshot after all—silly trades are just par for the course.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind getting Dalembert

Anyone think that Hasheem Thabeet’s ceiling is a rich man’s Samuel Dalembert?

Is the DUST chip really feasible at this point in time?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

It’s more valuable right now for a team that needs a center; the expiring aspect just hasn’t vested yet, and it’s doing nobody any good right this second. Detroit has long seemed the perfect fit.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

I should add that whatever team took him now would be sure not to give him too many minutes.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s doubtful. Maybe if you could find a third team that had a PG for Philly? Blake? Would LA give up Farmar for anything?

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They drafted Jrue Holiday

Not sure if they see him as a PG or not.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot about that.

Back to the woodshed, I guess.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So they're letting Miller go

and starting Jrue?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They may get Duhon in a S&T from the Knicks

Dont know if that’s dead or not. The Sixers really need to just re-sign him, though.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

david b. thorpe Kyle Weaver fighting hard to keep his spot.

Color me interested.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Morrow

Just destroyed summer league. 47 points tonight.

Dear God Golden State has a lot of talent. Morrow, Randolph, Curry, and Wright will probably all be starters in their careers. As of now, they’re all on the bench.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

12-deep roster the Warriors have.

In a MM thread, my thoughts were:

Curry, Ellis, Jackson, Randolph, Biedrins, Maggette, Morrow, Wright, Azubuike, Turiaf, Belinelli, Watson, Law. That’s 13, and I probably could use any of them when I wanted to. I suppose Speedy Claxton can still play a little too.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too much

They have to give some of it up.

I’ll be happy to help them out. Biedrins, Morrow, and Wright would be my first choices.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Wonder if we could help facilitate their acquisition of a big 4?

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x

Brandon Wright and Marco Belinelli could be on the trading block.

Both players are heading into their third seasons and are in Don Nelson’s doghouse. If their fourth-year options are picked up by Oct. 31, they will become unrestricted free agents next summer. That’s basically the Warriors saying they don’t want their once-prized youngsters.

Source: San Jose Mercury News

by tyd3311 on Jul 19, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Him too.

Belinelli and Morrow would be good targets, I think.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They would probably be willing to do one or the other, but not both.

I was looking at something where we send Howard to Miami, Haslett to GS, and Belinelli and Dorell Wright to us.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

I meant one or the other, not both.

However, I wouldn’t do that one. I like Belinelli, but not that much. I need a little more for Howard.

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was alot of talking about them wanting to trade Ellis last year.

Which I think is stupid, but usually when you hear it enough, there’s something to it.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Isn’t Curry basically the same player?

by brettgardner on Jul 16, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eventually, maybe

But, I think, early on in Curry’s career, you’re gonna see a lot of 10-15 assist games.

Anthony Randolph is gonna be a beast this year.

They are gonna be a fun fun team to watch.

by tyd3311 on Jul 16, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weren't they already?

Anthony Randolph…that guy…my mind nearly explodes every time I think of how awesome he’s gonna be.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 16, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoopsworld

Has this:

Looks like Carlos Boozer is headed to Miami… Udonis Haslem better start packing…

Dunno what that means, though.

by brettgardner on Jul 17, 2009 1:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chalmers, Wade, SF (Jones?), Boozer, O'Neal

Assuming, say, Wright and Haslem are sent elsewhere. Oh boy, that’s not a bad team. No bench help though, but definitely a good team in the East.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 17, 2009 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think Howard's a fit there.

Let’s get involved, take home our AK47 and Miles, and call it a day.

by brettgardner on Jul 17, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would that deal involve?

I’m all for that, but who goes to Utah alongside Josh?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 17, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

There’s nothing but immense cap relief and Beasley for Utah (pick(s) too, probably), which couldn’t possibly be enough.

If you involve AK47, his contract is so ridiculous that the number of players involved is ludicrous.

by brettgardner on Jul 17, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who says no?

The Bulls?

"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem

by Chase Irwin on Jul 19, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miller and Thomas

for a one-year rental of Boozer? Dunno, sounds fair enough.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 19, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x

Dwyane Wade said via Twitter on Thursday that he has some good news to share in the near future.
“I got GOOD NEWS coming…stay tuned…” While we doubt it’s regarding his own extension, it is possible. However, it’s more likely that he’s talking about a free agent signing for the Heat – possibly Lakers forward Lamar Odom.

by tyd3311 on Jul 17, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OKC

Waived Watson today. Let’s get him.

by brettgardner on Jul 17, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Si

Logged in to post just that.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 17, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vet min or BAE?

He can’t possibly get more than that, can he?

by brettgardner on Jul 17, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Mavs will use the BAE

I’m thinking veteran minimum. And for that, he’ll be a very solid addition.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 17, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt.

We can’t have a rookie and midget 2 as our backup points to a geriatric starter and hope for amazing success.

by brettgardner on Jul 17, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never liked him.

Just a player I hate. I don’t know why. Something about him.

by tyd3311 on Jul 17, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really like what the Clippers have done in getting rid of Randolph and picking up Telfair

Telfair’s best days in the league are ahead of him. Love the Clippers roster. Al Thornton is a beast. DeAndre Jordan should be up for Most Improved Player. Eric Gordon can flat-out score. Maybe Baron Davis will wake up and see what he is surrounded by.

by tyd3311 on Jul 22, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Telfair

Isn’t good, but I like that they got Smith, because he’s a good guy to cushion Blake’s transition.

My biggest problem with their roster: too many ball hogs.

by brettgardner on Jul 22, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Telfair isn't bad.

He sets up teammates well, and doesn’t turn the ball over. He’s improving. They could use a true floor general type PG, though, over Baron. Too bad they’re stuck with him because Andre Miller would be a nice fit.

by tyd3311 on Jul 22, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I just saw

The infamous kid-dunking-on-Lebron tape…

People (or Nike) are really making a big deal about this? 1. He’s obviously not exerting much energy, and 2. he wasn’t even in great position. It’s not like he got Bradley’d or something.

Here’s a link:

http://ebaumnation.com/2009/07/22/jordan-crawford-dunks-on-lebron-james

by brettgardner on Jul 22, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shudder.

Who would have guessed that all 4 would be basically out of the league within 5 years?

by brettgardner on Jul 22, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 22, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Your boy Bayless is available as the Blazers try and snag Miller.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 22, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

But we have Roddy now. Gotta at least see what he’s got.

Would still gladly help facilitate his trade to Philly/NY/wherever, though, if it means getting Rudy.

Also, looks like Odom is staying with LA. No big surprise, but thank god.

by brettgardner on Jul 22, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Devin Harris v2 is what I’m hearing. Can’t help but get excited about that.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 22, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nil.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 22, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

joke

I wonder if he still plays somewhere

by tyd3311 on Jul 22, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

with the Capitanes de Arecibo.

by tyd3311 on Jul 22, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes.

I remember he signed with Maccabi Tel Aviv a while back…guess he’s fallen from even those heights.

by brettgardner on Jul 22, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point guard Andre Miller has agreed to join the Trail Blazers, where he should replace Steve Blake as the starter.
The deal is said to be for two or three years, and essentially ruins the fantasy value of Blake. However, it now looks like Lou Williams will be the starting point guard in Philly, making him an excellent sleeper pick. Miller’s numbers shouldn’t change too much in Portland, making him a solid No. 1 PG option. Jul. 24 – 3:08 pm et

Source: Philadelphia Daily News

Good job Portland.

by tyd3311 on Jul 24, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK

So no more Hinrich. Blake or Bayless need a new home right now.

by brettgardner on Jul 24, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andre Miller is da shit.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 24, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheesh.

The stuff at MM right now is pretty bad.

I hate the offseason.

So, uh, Rasho or Diogu, anyone?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 24, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm for Diogu.

Rasho would be acceptable, though bitter.

by brettgardner on Jul 24, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diogu is a cool dude

knew him at ASU.

But he’s not that great. I’d be very meh about him.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 24, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I wouldn’t be jumping for joy by any means.

However, when he gets minutes, he gets more productive. He’s still young enough that I’d be interested in seeing if there’s any talent left to squeeze out of him.

by brettgardner on Jul 24, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Griz rescinded their 3MM qualifying offer to Hakim Warrick

He’s someone I’d definitely be interested in as a backup to Dirk.

by tyd3311 on Jul 24, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Warrick>Bass

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 24, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always loved Warrick.

If he’d come here, sign me up today.

by brettgardner on Jul 24, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLE?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 24, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could probably get both

Diogu and Warrick for the MLE, no?

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 24, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think so

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 24, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In any other market

No way, but this year maybe.

Of course, I wouldn’t take both—I’d get Warrick and still try to find a C in trade.

by brettgardner on Jul 24, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Utah confusion

Why would they want to ST Lee for Boozer?

by brettgardner on Jul 25, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

David Lee?

B/c he’s white? I dunno….

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 25, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They do love 'em white out here.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 25, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drew Gooden to Dallas.

Yay? He’s better than Bass/Hollins/Singleton, and he’s versatile enough to play 4 and 5, but I can’t find myself doing cartwheels.

1 year deal for 4.5 that can go to 5 with incentives per Stein.

We improved at a not steep price, so I’m happy, but not thrilled.

by brettgardner on Jul 26, 2009 12:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really hate him.

Probably more than Earl Watson.

by tyd3311 on Jul 26, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He makes dumb plays pretty regularly.

Still, he can rebound and score a little. However, I don’t like Stein’s suggestion that he will start at C—that sounds…scary. But it’s probably true.

by brettgardner on Jul 26, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any chance we could still get Warrick?

I have this bad feeling a savvy team like the Spurs get him.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 26, 2009 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Unless he takes the BAE for some stupid reason. Both teams are tapped out of MLE money.

by brettgardner on Jul 26, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He must have been plan F.

Stein is pretty plugged in in Dallas, so there’s a good chance Gooden is gonna be our best front court edition.

If he does end up starting at C, I want 12 rebounds w/ 10 FGA or less.

by tyd3311 on Jul 26, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He’s kind of a black hole.

On the other hand, it could be beneficial to have another option, no?

by brettgardner on Jul 26, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I’m still thinking we see McCants for the BAE.

That or there’s a specific target with the loads of roster filler we are going to trade away soon.

by brettgardner on Jul 26, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

C.J. Miles

is there anyway we could get him with a grab bag of expiring contracts + roster filler?

"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney

by Chase Irwin on Jul 26, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably.

And that’s exactly what I hope happens. He’s the perfect fit.

by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

Now talk of us being interested in Tim Thomas?

Gooden I can take, but this is too much.

by brettgardner on Jul 26, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure, they might get Richardson

But it won’t be because of his agent.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 27, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope not.

Too much money, not enough minutes.

That’s why CJ Miles is perfect.

by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

And Terry would either have to find minutes at 1 (gross) or be on the bench more.

That’s why I’m in favor of Miles, Bell, and maybe Mike Miller. We need guys who can produce and don’t have to play for 40 minutes.

by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

My line of thinking is that if we acquire any of these big-name guys, Howard has to go.

by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scattershooting while wondering

Why the hell do I get the Thunder and Hornets confused? I never got the Sonics and Hornets mixed up. I saw that the Thunder acquired Etan Thomas and thought, "Go get Chandler right now "

Idiot.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 27, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DB.com's latest Mavs' targets

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1877

Redd, Miller, Azuibuike, Bell, and Richardson.

Normally I’d love Redd, but his injury is scary. Of the others, I think I like Azuibuike the best of those guys — he just seems like the type of player the Mavs never have.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 27, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't touch Redd coming off that injury

Definitely wouldn’t mind either of Miller, Azuibuike, or Bell.

by tyd3311 on Jul 27, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bell and Miller.

The others? Meh on Azuibuike and no on the other two.

by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus.

This is ridiculous.

by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't make a lot of sense, though, for the Hornets

If they are looking to trim payroll… maybe they do want Damps contract, but we don’t want Chandler.

by tyd3311 on Jul 27, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Hornets and the Bobcats are close to finalizing a trade that would send Tyson Chandler to Charlotte in exchange for Emeka Okafor.
Okafor signed a six-year, $72 million contract last summer, but will earn about $3 million less than Chandler over the next two seasons (Chandler has a player option for 2010-2011, then becomes a free agent). Details are still emerging, so stay tuned.

I guess 3 million saved for a better player is worth it for NO. And come 2012, Peja and MoPete will be off the books, so they can afford the extra years of Okafor’s deal.

Good deal for New Orleans, if Julian Wright can become a player, like I know he can, they have a chance to be pretty damn good.

by tyd3311 on Jul 27, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

per dallasbasketball.com

After a convo with Donnie Nelson, they say Dallas is about to sign a “shooter”

Forget for a moment the "moving-out-some-things’’ part of this. (I’m working on that separately.) Let’s focus on the "bringing-in-a-shooter’’ part.

   A few hints.

   This "shooter’’ is::
   1) "Not necessarily’’ a shooting guard
   2) Could be considered "more versatile’’ a player than Matt Carroll
   3) Is, it seems, presently an unrestricted FA. We’re not talking trade here, but rather vet’s-minimum level money.

by tyd3311 on Jul 27, 2009 9:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Couple more names to keep in mind

Desmond Mason and noted Mav killer Bobby Jackson.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 27, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It just doesn't look right , does it?

Still think Howard gets traded. Just a feeling. However, I’m starting to turn on Donnie a bit. The goodness he might’ve found in Beaubois gives me some hope though.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 27, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’m trying to reserve judgment until all the fat gets trimmed.

I really don’t mind Gooden, but Thomas is a junk player.

And I’m with you on Howard—at least, that’s the only way we can get one of these 2s everybody’s talking about. Not enough minutes/too much salary commitment otherwise.

by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just awful.

Trade for Ian Snell.

by sprite on Jul 27, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good lord.

This roster is improved over last year, but I hate it right now.

Please cut the fat already. It’s hard to refrain from judging.

by brettgardner on Jul 28, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This signing signals that were most likely done in the front court

With Drew Gooden logging most of our minutes at C, and Thomas being Dirks primary backup.

by tyd3311 on Jul 28, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't see it.

Thomas is a negative defender—he gets beaten off the step, can’t defend pick and rolls, and fails his big arms around as a last resort.

I think he’s an end of the bench guy and Singleton is the primary backup 4.

by brettgardner on Jul 28, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy fuckamoley.

Goddammite, Donnie.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Jul 28, 2009 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kill me

just kill me

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 28, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So this is for the remainder of the MLE

Or else the BAE?

Can we assume it’s a one-year?

Also, agree… Weird to see them sign two players with such makeup questions, one after the other, same offseason.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Jul 28, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like

We could have orchestrated a three team trade to give Charlotte their low-post man while giving all sides cap relief and taking home our very own Okafor.

by brettgardner on Jul 28, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

At least the Mavs are gonna be a helluva lot more interesting! This team is much better than last year’s version. Good enough to hang with LA? No, but only a lucky move away from it.

"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Collidge

by hubcityraider on Jul 28, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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