LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #13
by thedirkatron on Jul 17, 2009 6:55 AM CDT
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After garnering 44% of 220 votes, Robbie Ross has won the right to be called the LSB Community #12 prospect!
The List So Far:
1. 1b, Justin Smoak
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. LHP, Martin Perez
4. RHP, Tanner Scheppers
5. LHP, Matt Purke
6. RHP, Wilmer Font
7. (Tie) RHP, Blake Beavan
7. (Tie) CF, Julio Borbon
9. RHP, Tommy Hunter
10. RHP, Michael Main11. LHP, Kasey Kiker12. LHP, Robbie Ross
Time to move on to the vote for lucky #13.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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I'd say Max
then Boscan. After that, I’m thinking Wieland then Beltre then Poveda.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
Moreland for me.
then, in no particular order.
- MaxRam
- Wieland
- Boscan
- de los Santos
actually…it probably will be in that order.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
Moreland
I really like the guy, but at 13??
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
yea i would like to see the reasoning for having him this high
or even having him above maxram (/why you downgrade max)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 17, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
yep
I just love what he brings to the table offensively. He’s a contact hitter with a great eye at the plate and good pop. The man just has a great approach when it comes to hitting. I mean, just look at his splits…his stats against lefties are amazing.
The main thing for me, though, is consistency. He’s been raking since the day he joined the organization. Max, as much as I like him, can’t say that. He had a great year last year, I know…but other than that he’s been pretty…meh.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
okay
I just checked MaxRams’ stats and I’m underrating him a bit. I guess, his play this year has distorted my view of him more than I realized. I still prefer Moreland, though.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
his play this year has distorted my view of him more than I realized
dont feel too bad about that, im sure that can be applied to just about every player on this list not named feliz or smoak :)
(including martin)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 17, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it all depends on if you think Max has the ability to stay behind the plate.
I do, so have Max as a far better prospect than Moreland.
If I thought Max was gonna be a 1b/DH like Moreland it’d prolly be a bit closer, though I’d likely still prefer Max.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 17, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually don't hate this
I disagree, and I’m still voting for Max here, but I think Moreland is a little undervalued by some. I can’t wait to see how he produces in OKC next year.
One thing, though: I don’t see where MOreland has been “amazing” against lefties. Am I missing something?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
since joining Frisco
.370/.424/.481 against lefties.
SSS, I know. But very encouraging, never the less.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Moreland
has historically hit lefties better than he hit righties, though often for less power.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I like that, though.
that tells me that he probably comes in to an AB against a lefty with the mindset of, “I’m gonna shorten my stroke and hit it where it’s pitched”. Personally, I don’t understand why more hitters don’t take that approach when facing a tough match up.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
he actually said in an interview “I come up against lefties looking to go up the middle”
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
That's a smart hitter right there.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
how many AB?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 17, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
In 224 career ABs vs. lefties
Moreland has a .917 OPS
Against righties, he has a .903 OPS.
The dude is Mr. Consistent.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Here a Newberg video report on Moreland
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 17, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
That consistency
is something the Rangers lineup could sorely use. I’d love to see Moreland and Smoak both in the lineup when they’re ready. Don’t think there’s room if Hamilton moves to RF.
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I think
Moreland could very well be a DH of the future.
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi
Check it out, almost every split he has are mirror images.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Yeah, I think he's a good bet
to post about an .850 OPS for several years. Somewhere between John Jaha and Lyle Overbay bat maybe. Chris Davis’ power is more exciting, but I’m no longer sure he’s more valuable as a bat. I think Cahill’s Henry Rodriguez comp for Davis has some merit.
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Dude, I think you just made my day.
I can’t ever recall a message board allusion to John Jaha.
OMG – head ’asplode!
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 17, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I don't think I'm the first
to use Jaha as a comp here. Hmmm, just did a search to see who I should credit and apparently I am the first. I know I’m borrowing that from somewhere, but not LSB it seems. I think Jaha with a slightly higher batting avg.
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MaxRam vs Moreland
The stats are a few weeks old, but a comparison reveals that Moreland’s minor league performance is on par with Ramirez.
Max Ramirez is generally regarded as a very good hitting prospect in the Rangers’ system due to his ability to hit for average, hit for power, and draw walks. In three-plus years of full-season minor league baseball, Ramirez has posted a line of .299/.390/.499 in 1284 at-bats. In 776 at-bats in three full-season leagues, Moreland has hit .328/.400/.540. Moreland’s unusual combination of high contact rate, high walk percentage, and impressive power suggest that he will be a productive hitter when he reaches the major leagues.
I rate Ramirez more highly because I think that he will eventually be able to catch in the major leagues. But Moreland’s successful transition to AA (he would rank in the Texas League Top 10 in BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS if he had ~40 more at bats after ranking in the Top 10 in those categories in both the Cal League and Midwest League) has me convinced that he will become a productive major league hitter.
spurdynasty
where do you think moreland’s long term position is for the rangers?
OF i would presume…right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 17, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Trip has seen him play and suggests that he might be able to play right field in the majors. For my analysis, I always assume that he will be a 1B/DH which means that his bat will have to be great for him to become an everyday player. In reality, I think that he will have to get playing time in both RF and 1B in order to get more than a few hundred at bats per season once he reaches the majors.
Good trade chip at this point too.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Position
From what I’ve seen of him he’s probably best suited for 1B/DH but could play COF if needed (though not with great defense)
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Not really
I dont think moreland plays the outfield as well as swisher, but he has a much lower DB factor.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Vote Max, or...
He is going to come to your house and smash your computer.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Yes...
…but not right away. He will wait until his wrists are healed and then he will come smash your computer.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
hmm
so max : computers :: dirkatron : babies
got it!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 17, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Since Max is running away with this one
How about some Joe Wieland love in preparation for next time? 3.03 FIP, 8.10 K’s per 9 to just 2.70 BB’s per 9 in Hickory, despite a .359 BABIP. That’s pretty much in line with his rookie ball #’s from last year, only this time with a high BABIP instead of a low one.
I can sorta see how folks might be scared off of Boscan because of the sharp decline in K rate, but I can’t understand why Wieland hasn’t gotten more love in the voting. He’s definitely next for me.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
its pretty serious
your telling me that only TWO of these 5 guys will be in the rangers top 15?
weiland
boscan
telis/escobar
moreland
i would think that 3 of those 5 would be in (or VERY clos to) the astros top 10…right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 17, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
From what I gather, I think Wieland and Boscan might be top 5 for the 'Stro's.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
DA tron
check email
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
RW on Norm
Norm asked him about a timetable for a Feliz call-up, and even though it was difficult to pick up any actual English words in Ron’s fucking marble-filled mumble mouth, I was able to hear “…could be 2 weeks, could be a month…”
I’m headed out tonight and tomorrow to watch the games in Rouch Rock and will report back. I hope to have a little video to share…
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
IOW, pretty damn soon.
I think he goes back-back twice and gets the call.
And don’t eff up on the video.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
At this point, I'm not sure it matters.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Yeah, but seeing as how there's already 5 of them up there that don't seem to be coming down.....
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
There's hardly a lot of super worthy posts
being held off by it.
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Exactly.
At this point the constant moaning about having them rec’d has grown more annoying than the actual fact that they stay rec’d in the first place.
I’m considering doing the HH things and creating several ghost accounts just so I can make sure these things stay rec’d.
Cause, you know, WWDJCD?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 17, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
id rather see a 1000 of these threads
than miles rants.
the only downside is having your ugly mug all over the page
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
+1
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Gotta be Maximus.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Hurley has to be close right?
The guy showed some great stuff last season. Torn rotator cuff and some labia issues, he could bounce back
Ummm?
and some labia issues
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
"Did I say labia, Carlos?"
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I think it should be tought
in all broadcast journalism schools that if you accidentally say labia on the air, DO NOT say “Did I just say labia?”
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
lol, too true!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
gotta worry about
Erica Hurley and his lingering vag problems.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
vaginal slice born born.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I love your sig
the worst third base coach in baseball
by blueballlefty on Jul 17, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
thanks
That dude infuriates me. I’m sure he’s a knowledgeable coach and a nice, modern gentleman. But he sucks ass as a third base coach.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Old Greg reference...
…is that right?
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Jul 17, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
this is correct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umt0-6kGzv4
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
No worries, that thing's tough.
It can bleed for a week straight and not die.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
i think part of the thing is
that no one really knows HOW serious his problems are/were nor does anyone know when/where he will come back
i believe DA tron said he was in the 15 range for him, and i think hes in the 18-22 range myself
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 17, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome. Awesome to the Max.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
re: sig....when did KLaw say that?
hilarious
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Cecilio's Guante on Jul 17, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
x
Chat from a few weeks back, with regard some questions about Nefty moving to the ’pen
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Moreland over Max for me
Have seen them both at Frisco past 2 years and I think Moreland will be a better big league hitter.
On TV the other day ...
Moreland faced a Texas League All Star reliever [Samuel] in a late-game situation. He got behind, shortened his swing and slapped a sharp ground single back thru the box on a 97-mph pitch. That impressed the tar outta me.
Wow.
Nice.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Can we add Miguel Velasquez?
He’s better than Whittlemand and some of the others on the list.
Would everyone quit reccing these fucking things!?!?!?!?!?!?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
That's all we ever hear with Beltre...
at some point he needs to start producing. He’s not a top 20 prospect in my book until he does.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
And yes, I know, he’s playing against guys who are 2-3 years older than him. But you have to wonder if its good for his development to push him ahead so fast that he always struggles to be successful. Maybe he would get a confidence boost by beating up on his peers for a bit.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 17, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Max had it in the bag yesterday
But Ross made a late afternoon surge. No one is overtaking Max today.
So far:
- Smoak
- Feliz
- Perez
- Kiker (don’t ask)
- Purke
- missed
- missed
- missed
- Kiker
- Kiker
- Kiker
- Max
- Max
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 17, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions
From BA's "Prospect Hot Sheet"
No. 7 MARTIN PEREZ, LHP
RANGERS
Team: low Class A Hickory (South Atlantic)
Age: 18
Why He’s Here: 2-0, 0.90, 10 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 9 SO
The Scoop: Perez has won his last three starts, allowing only two earned runs over 15 innings in the process. He has continued dominating righthanded hitters all season, thanks to the emergence of his changeup as a go-to secondary pitch. He’s held righthanders to a .219 average, compared to .286 for lefties, and his 2.55 ERA for the year ranks sixth in the SAL. The Rangers have been very cautious with Perez’s workload, but he’s gone exactly five innings in each of his last four starts. Before that, he hadn’t lasted five innings or more in more than two consecutive outings.
No. 10 ROBBIE ROSS, LHP
Team: short-season Spokane (Northwest)
Age: 20
Why He’s Here: 1-0, 0.90, 10 IP, 8 H, 1 R, 2 HBP, 3 BB, 7 SO
The Scoop: Strikeouts? Check. Groundballs? Check, or maybe that should be a check-plus. Making his professional debut after signing last year as a second-round pick, the 20-year-old Ross has a 2.67 ERA with a 41-to-7 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 30 1/3 innings. While Ross has been punching out batters with his low-90s fastball and his slider, he’s done a remarkable job keeping the ball on the ground, as 88 percent of his outs on balls in play have been groundouts.
IN THE TEAM PHOTO
Double-A Frisco LHP Kasey Kiker (Rangers) continued his recent run of dominance. The 21-year-old held Arkansas to one run on four hits over six innings Sunday, striking out six along the way. It was the fourth straight start in which he’s held opponents to run run or less
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
BEAST MODE OVERLOAD
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 17, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
IT'S SPILLIN' OUT THE SIDES
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
short lefties for life!
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Finnerty.Fan
is pissed right now. However, Trip agreed with him.
by Michael Cave on Jul 17, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome
Man, I really need to give in and get BA
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Me, too. But the Hot Sheet is free, fwiw.
You prolly already knew that, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 17, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
but all the other BA goodness isn't
wonder if its worth the extra $25 to get the magazine too
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Ben Badler on Telis
BenBadler: @Kinslerhomer Telis has very good hands and barrel awareness; very short and stocky body is concern #fridaysleepers
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
What's wrong with a short stocky body?
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 17, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
So...Tomas has this?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I'm endlessly ammused by midgets.
That Mini Surloin Burgers commercial makes me giggle uncontrolably.
I recognize that I have a problem, but I can’t help it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 17, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
are they any good?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 17, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The commercials are awesome.
The burgers, dunno. Don’t eat much fast food at all.
When I’m drunk off my ass I Taco Bell it up pretty hard, but I find I’m drunk off my ass less and less these days.
And other than that I tend not to touch the stuff.
My quest in life is to never be a fatty.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 18, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Max-Ram should be in the top 10
Yes, he’s had a down year, but he’s a lock to be a major league contributor, in my frazzled mind anyways. He should be ahead of Ross at least.
That's why they call them business sox
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