LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #14
by thedirkatron on Jul 18, 2009 8:46 AM CDT
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Max dominated that one like it was AA pitching circa last Summer.
After garnering 63% of 214 votes, Max Ramirez has won the right to be called the LSB Community #13 prospect!
The List So Far:
1. 1b, Justin Smoak
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. LHP, Martin Perez
4. RHP, Tanner Scheppers
5. LHP, Matt Purke
6. RHP, Wilmer Font
7. (Tie) RHP, Blake Beavan
7. (Tie) CF, Julio Borbon
9. RHP, Tommy Hunter
10. RHP, Michael Main11. LHP, Kasey Kiker12. LHP, Robbie Ross13. C, Max Ramirez
Time to move on to the vote for #14.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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This one's tough.
I’ve been voting for Max for so long I almost don’t know what to do with myself.
It’s between Wieland and Beltre for me and they’re ridiculously different prospects.
I gotsta think on this one.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
Beltre over Moreland?
I know he has some super sexy tools but shouldn’t we at least see some of those tools translate in to on field production before we start ranking him over players who have consistently produced?
Moreland, Poveda, Moscoso, Wieland, de los Santos and Kirkman are all ahead of Beltre, imo.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 18, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and obviously Boscan would on that list, as well.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 18, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
He has star potential.
That’s a hard thing to overrate.
Is he more likely to bust than some of the other guys on the list? Of course. His bust potential is pretty huge.
Remember that over the Winter BA ranked this guy 7th overall in our system, and it’s not like a whole lot has changed between this Winter and now. Frankly me ranking him this low IS me punishing him for his lack of production this year.
I guarantee you that if you did a poll of the Rangers’ brass and scouts, Beltre’d rank a lot higher than he’ll end up on this list.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 18, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Beltre
I totally agree, Ive been big on the guy before but i’m kind of waiting for that breakout season.
But no matter how you cut it the guys got so much more superstar potential than moreland (and thats not a knock on moreland at all)
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I can't argue that...
I just think, at this point, he’s much more likely to bust and never become a ML regular than he is to reach super star status. If and when he starts to hit with some pop or show some plate discipline, he’ll jump up my list quick, fast and in a hurry. But until that time, I’ll remain skeptical and he’ll remain a twenty-something prospect in my book.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 18, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
He's still very young
Isnt even 20yrs old yet, he still has time to learn and break out.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
curious
can anyone list any ML superstars with a minor league track record similar to Beltre’s?
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
not off the top of my head can you? and it's too early to say he isn't going to make it.
im trying to say the dudes got huge ceiling, whether he reaches that or not is a different matter.
He is still very young and has pleanty of time to develop.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Now if only
we can get Beltre to take some steroids.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
wow, those 18/19 yr old years actually look alot alike on the surface
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
That's an amazing pull.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 18, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
sure is early to say it about someone who isnt 20
thats part of the reason i voted for him
he would be what, 2 years out of HS this year?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 18, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Hed be about where Robbie Ross is right now I believe
SO Ross is in Spokane and Beltre is in Bakersfield
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
and a guy with his tools
that was ross’ age would be highly rated
i feel quite confident that a player w/ beltre’s tools would haver been a 1st rd pick
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 18, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be a lot more optimistic about Beltre
if he was in Spokane and hitting. We just don’t have any evidence that he can hit. I’m not sure he’s a better prospect than David Paisano, who also has a lot of tools.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
really?
paisano, who couldnt hit jack going into this year, showed little to no power and whose best tool was the fact he was a good defensive player — and was a throw in in the danks deal
that pasiano?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 18, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't he lead the MWL in hits last year?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I remember he was compared to Strawberry in terms of ceiling, IIRC.
just browsing through Strawberry’s minors career, it looks like Beltre will have to go OFF next year to reach his ceiling.
Strawberry was 19 in A ball, with a pretty mediocre BA and SLG (.259 and .429)
Then he was 20 in AA, the power came, and he took off. .283 / .419 / .602
The only thing you can say about Beltre’s slash line this year is that at least he is walking a tad more.
I don’t know, Jim Edmonds, for instance, struggled in A ball for a couple of years. The power came at 22 in AA, where he found his stroke for an .872 OPS.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 18, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Wieland or Boscan Here
I had voted Boscan a few times earlier but i keep going back and forth between the two as Ive got them around the same tier.
I think these two and Poveda need to be ranked soon.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Wieland
Hopefully I won’t have to vote for him 3 or 4 days in a row.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Really?
I don’t seen Weiland above Fredo Boscan, injury or not.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Boscan's sudden lack of strikeouts concerns me.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
He was
one of the best pitchers in the minors before the injury.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Yeah, but him and Wieland are pretty similar
At least they look like it to me. Same level, about the same age, both get GB’s at just over a 50% rate, both get lauded for their command and pitchability. Only real noticeable difference is Wieland has strucks out almost 3 more batters per 9 this year (and has a slightly lower HR rate the last two years), which puts him ahead of Fredo for me.
"You know, I’m playing entirely too much." - Andruw Jones
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
And this stretch
is the only time in his career where Boscan failed to register 25%+ K.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Boscan
I had been voting for him, but its obvious he wont get ranked by many, and I have him and wieland about the same spot so I went with the guy more likely to get chosen… dumb reasoning I know but oh well
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I have Boscan and Wieland...
at 9 and 10.
Have been voting for Boscan the last 4 or 5 polls.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Baaaa
Stick with your guns. Don’t be a sheep
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 18, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Wieland, BTW.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 18, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I before the E
just reaffirms his lesser prospect status.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I posted on this a few polls ago, but here is my reasoning
Wieland and Boscan both are solid pitchability guys who do alot of good things with there control and have the arsenal to mix pitches well. Both are aroud the same age, and both have put up great numbers this year, although Boscan has not put up good K numbers so far this year. However, Wieland is the much more projectable pitcher with a fastball that will definitely play at the major league level. He’s got the chance to develop a plus fastball to go with his multiple offerings and pitchability. While Boscan may yet add a little bit to his fastball to go with excellent control, I just dont ever see him having a plus one. He’s never gonna have swing and miss stuff at the ML level, while Wieland very well could.
I think alot are looking at Boscan’s numbers over the last two years and not looking enough at the how and why of it… He’s doing alot of it with stuff that just wont play that well at the ML level imo… I hope he can develop better stuff as he gets older, but right now, Im alot more sure that Wieland will than Boscan.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Speaking of Beltre...
does anyone know why he hasn’t played the last two games? Of course, after he homers one game and has four hits the next…
He's been benched many times in the past for
discipline reasons, i.e. swinging at too many first pitches.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Some people lean more towards certainty in a prospect
I lean way more towards the upside…You win with stars.
I was really hoping Beltre would get voted in before I had to vote for him
Because there’s a good argument that he should be in the top 10, and there’s a good argument he should be around 20. I just can’t make heads or tails of him this year- has anyone seen/heard anything about his defensive play?
I suppose if I had to use the Newberg Ultimatum- who would I least like to see traded to Analheim- I’d have to go with Engel here, then Wieland, ’Fredo, and MX2.
Is it odd that I think a lot more of Mitch than Tim Smith?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Boscan
Beltre might be next for me. He’d be higher for me if he had done anything this year. Poveda, Moreland, Telis, Moscoso, Wieland and Pimentel are all in play for me.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Weiland for me. I love guys who miss bats
So far:
- Smoak
- Feliz
- Perez
- Kiker
- Purke
- missed
- missed
- missed
- Kiker
- Kiker
- Kiker
- Max
- Max
- Wieland
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 18, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions
tough choice but went Poveda
For me, it might as well be a 4-way tie between Poveda, Boscan, Wieland, and Moreland. I give the slight nod to Poveda out of the pitchers because he’s doing it in AA. Then Poveda over Moreland just because I’d rather have the pitcher than the hitter, generally.
I don’t think any of the pitchers will be more than 4/5 starters in the long run with potential ceilings of #3 guys if everything breaks right. Moreland, on the other hand, is a safe bet to contribute to some degree in the bigs as a hitter off the bench on the low end or a decent regular on the high end.
Poveda
Ive got him on my mental list right behind wieland/boscan… then beltre & moreland
I think poveda gets underrated because he isnt posting gaudy numbers
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Scott Feldman says hi
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
hey, ive always liked scooter
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yeah
Just saying some guys CAN actually be successful without striking out a ton of guys. I see Poveda alot in the Feldman mold actually and he is kinda forgotten how young he is. Im a huge Poveda fan which is probably why his lack of Ks this year isn’t that alarming to me.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Omar
Doesn’t look like he has a chance, but the change is real by all accounts, and he’s going curiously deep into games.
If the K rate ticks up, especially to his career norms (8.1 K/9 : 2.9 BB/9), he’d be catching more eyes.
Turns 22 right after this minors season. I’m glad this guy is in the system, even if he’s having a quiet year.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
Poveda's quiet year
Poveda is #6 in the Texas League in WHIP (1.23) and #11 in ERA (3.39). As a 21 year old. Most of the pitchers who rank ahead of him are in their mid-20’s. Lefties are hitting .228 against him. Righties are hitting .230. Statistically, he looks like a future mid-rotation starting pitcher in the major leagues.
The major knock on him coming into the season was that he was a flyball pitcher. This season, he is inducing groundballs at a rate of 51% and flyballs at a rate of 31%. He has turned into a pitch-to-contact pitcher.
The strength of the Rangers’ farm system becomes obvious when a guy with Poveda’s track record barely cracks the Top 20.
That's pretty a strong argument there.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
those numbers look good
but, im pretty worried about his K/BB rates… They were great last year and I really liked what he did in the Cal LG, but this year they are very Meh… I know somewhat said he’s been really working on his two seamer or something like that, but it still seems he lost his ability to miss bats once he got to AA.
The good thing is obviously he’s doing something right and he’s still really a younger pitcher for AA. I think he could be a good pitcher for us, but i dont find his numbers this year very encouraging
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Poveda's BB/9 is solid (3.2)
His K-rate this year has been disappointing. NNOC suggested that his K-rate will tick back up when he changes his pitch sequences. Perhaps Rentz or someone else who has seen him a lot can comment as well.
Boscan
I believe that sub top 100 pitchers are more valuable than sub top 100 hitters. Just me.
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