LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #16
by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2009 3:47 PM CDT
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All he does is hit.
After garnering 25% of 225 votes, Mitch Moreland has won the right to be called the LSB Community #15 prospect!
The List So Far:
1. 1b, Justin Smoak
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. LHP, Martin Perez
4. RHP, Tanner Scheppers
5. LHP, Matt Purke
6. RHP, Wilmer Font
7. (Tie) RHP, Blake Beavan
7. (Tie) CF, Julio Borbon
9. RHP, Tommy Hunter
10. RHP, Michael Main
11. LHP, Kasey Kiker
12. LHP, Robbie Ross
13. C, Max Ramirez
14. RHP, Joe Wieland
15. 1b/OF, Mitch Moreland
Time to move on to the vote for #16.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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poveda
has fallen
Michael Young > Steve Garvey.
Nelson Cruz >Greg Nettles.
Elvis Andrus > Willie McGee.
Ian Kinsler > Darryl Strawberry.
i dunno, that's just really random.
Moscoso
Looks like he might be a solid SP that will provide much needed pitching depth at the ML level.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
too thin
i think it’s the concensus.
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
too old
dont forget too old!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Boscan
Really floored he flew out of the top 15 but hopefully he will get in this time
Wow
Nobody likes the toolsist player in the system, as of 2008… Just wow, how far can a prospect fall?
by FormerLSBUser on Jul 20, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 20, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Beltre is falling because he hasn't shown that much
Hurley is falling because he got hurt?
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 20, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
hurley is falling
because no one knows what exactly his injury was, no one when hes going to start rehabbing and no one knows how the surgery went until he starts throwing somewhere
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Beltre
is next for me. I think that part of his fall is because his biggest weakness (plate discipline) is the big issue with the team this yr.
by Michael Cave on Jul 20, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Hurley for me
I can’t believe so many people think our #1 prospect two years ago is out of the top 15 today. Can our farm really be that much better? I think everyone is just fascinated with what is new and unknown.
So far:
- Smoak
- Feliz
- Perez
- Kiker
- Purke
- missed
- missed
- missed
- Kiker
- Kiker
- Kiker
- Max
- Max
- Wieland
- Hurley
- Hurley
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 20, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions
It's not that the farm is that much better
it’s just that his injury is frightening. I am not at all confident he can come back and be the pitcher he was soon, if ever.
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Yah, the more I went out and read about his injury, the further I loved him down my list.
On a pure talent level he’s a top ten guy for sure.
But that injury is scary.
The prospect of him never being close to the same guy again is very real.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I fear
he’ll basically be Josh Rupe in a couple of years, stuck in AAA rehabbing for eternity.
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Colby Lewis comes to mind...
Its not like Hurley had overly dominant stuff last year. With the severity of his injury, can we even expect him to return that level? I hope for the best for him, but that doesn’t look very hopeful to me.
well it depends on the severity of his injuryt
no one knows it if was a major labrum problem (very bad) or a rotator cuff issue
right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I read that it was a torn rotator cuff and only a frayed labrum.
http://www.texasleaguers.com/articles/eric-hurley-hamstrings-rotator-cuffs-and-mark-connor.html
Hopefully he can come back at 100%, but his stuff looked like it might only be middle to back of the roation material to me last year. Who knows how long he has been having issues though. If he can’t even get back to what he showed last year, I’m not sure how much of an impact he’ll ever have.
Well, he was injured last year, so hopefully when he gets healthy his stuff'll be back to where it was before he got hurt.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought they said originally it was just rotator cuff
then after the surgery or right beofre it it was also a labrum issue
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
its because hurley
while healthy may be there
but there isnt really a consensus on what his injury was, or what his surgery was
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
An exercise in BITA+
Let’s say Bud Selig awards the Angels the right to swoop in
and snatch any player off that list due to a Tom Hicks transgression.
Which player would you least like to see them choose?
There would be a certain amount of poetry if the answer were "Madrigal"
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 20, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah, BITA+ is a big reason I went with Engel here.
He’s got a chance to be a superstar.
A really small chance, but a chance.
(Cue the Dumb and Dumber references…)
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by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I went to check your vote
and you haven’t, so what say you? Which of these prospects would you hate to see in the angels system?
Going against the conventional wisdom, I chose Moscoso. I don’t think there is a high probability of any of these guys becoming stars, and I’d hate for GM to end up being a third starter or shut down reliever for the Halo’s as soon as next year. The dominance he has displayed at AAA lately has won me over, I think he can be a valuable contributor to a pitching staff, real soon.
For whatever reason, I’d rather hand over a high risk lottery ticket to our rival, rather than a “now” asset with a ceiling that rivals just about anybody on the list.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
Couldn't decide
Escobar, Boscan, Poveda or Beltre. I voted for Boscan a round or two ago, but I immed regretted it. Air Poveda might just be another Mathis or Mendoza since he doesn’t K anybody. Beltre is gonna repeat HiA – but he’ll still have the same lack of savvy and discipline. Escobar juuuust turned 17 and is striking suckahs out L and R – but voting for him is sorta rewarding his failure to accrue warts yet.
Poveda.................again
Beltre is next for me. Either one wouldn’t make me mad right here but I think people are putting way too much stock in his low K totals this year. Heck watching the Rangers this year has shown you can be successful pitching without striking out the world
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
mine is the opposite
beltre
then poveda
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
FYI
you can be successful pitching without striking out the world
It is a pretty rare occurrence for a pitcher w/ low K totals in the minors to have success in the bigs. It’s actually not even that common for low strikeout guys in the majors to have long term success.
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 21, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
This is the first time his strikeout numbers have been so low
I think he can rebound them. What I find really weird is how is Boscan getting so much love yet Poveda isn’t getting much. Both have suffered dramatic falloff in their Ks this year. Only problem is Boscans happened in A ball while Povedas happened in AA which makes it easier to stomach for me.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't sense that
Boscan has gotten a lot more “love” than Poveda. They’re going to be right next to each other on this list.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 21, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Well hes got double the votes
And in previous polls people have been talking about Boscan in the ten range
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Well, here's my guess
Boscan has had a terrible July, where all of his numbers have gone in the tank. Prior to that, his line was 45 IP, 34 H, 10 ER, 1 HR, 7 BB, 28 K. While that isn’t a great K rate, it is a great 4:1 K:BB rate, something that has gone in the tank this year for Poveda. This little exercise started on July 6, before Boscan’s statistical swoon began.
So early on, with all of the good vibes he had coming into the season and little to no negative evidence from this season to counter them, it made a lot of sense to some people to rank him clearly above Poveda, because you’re arguments didn’t really apply. Though it’s only been going on for three weeks, as the process has gone on and people have focused in on performance, Boscan has sucked, and that has made his number look more like Poveda’s and moved him more into Poveda’s range.
In other words, you’re dealing with a different set of circumstances looking at it retrospectively than those who may have made those comments that you’re abstractly recalling were looking at a few weeks ago.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 21, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I can understand all that
But for me such a drastic drop in K rate at Boscans level is much more alarming than such a drop at Povedas level. If Boscan can’t strike guys out in A ball what makes people think he will all of a sudden be able to as he moves up? To me that is more of an alarm than Povedas increased walks rates. It goes back to the argument made a few prospects ago. Poveda is walking more guys but allowing fewer hits which while wlaking guys isn’t ideal is alot safer than allowing hits.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Omar's K:BB
It’s changed because his K rate fell. The walk rate is still about the same, only a little higher…
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 21, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It actually fell from 4.0/9 in Bakersfield
To 3.3/9 in Frisco
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
True
I was thinking of career rates…
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 21, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That said, I think Omar has the stuff to bring his SO rate back up
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 21, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Went Poveda
next would be Moscoso for me. I understand that Beltre has all the tools but he’s got to show something at the plate. No one doubts his upside but for me he’s the hitting version of N. Ramirez. Tools and great stuff separate good from great prospects but if you don’t actually come close to living up to those skills then the rest doesn’t matter.
Hurley’s going to have to be pronounced healthy and pitching again before I’d consider him top 25. He was good before his arm situation but a torn labrum isn’t Tommy John and the likelyhood of him fully recovering seems doubtful.
As for Fredo, Boscan just doesn’t excite me. Ask me again around 20 or so and I’ll vote for him but Poveda, Madrigal, and Gomez are all in front of him on my personal list.
Ramirez and Beltre
See thats the problem. The Neil Ramirez comp is pretty good except Beltre is almost 6 months younger than Ramirez and playing a full level above him and has been playing for alot longer than Ramirez has been in our system.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Good points.
Also, as much as I like NeRa’s stuff and ceiling, I don’t think it’s in the same superstar class that Beltre’s tools are in.
Beltre’s got “best player in the game” tools.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
From an obverse pov however
Beltre’s floor is bust while NeRa’s is bullpen (even if you discount the rarity of an Ace ceiling).
NeRa's floor is bullpen?
Yet Beltre’s is bust? How so?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
one is mechanics
the other comprehension – the likelihood that Beltre proves the axiom that pitch recognition can’t be taught is very high.
eh beltre
is a guy that if he makes it to the majors should hang around for a while
think the pitching version of juan morillo?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
A Ruebn Riverra-type, perhaps?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, great spelling by me!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 21, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
i think that guy was signed
by the same scout who brought in neftali perez
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
ruben rivera
was pretty good for a while great prospect, great bust
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there's a ton of bust potential in NeRa.
Nothing scares me more in a young pitching prospect than an inability to throw strikes.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
NeRa's floor
is workin’ 9 to 5 if he never gets that stuff under control, same as Beltre.
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
You can hint at this
only after NeRa gets sent to baseball “time-out” as many times as Beltre has over the last 2 years…
Huh?
Hasn’t NeRa been pulled due to lack of control several times? I would consider that similar to being benched for lack of plate discipline.
Plus I think alot has to do with Beltres lineup spot. Hes been in the leadoff spot last year and this instead of lower in the lineup where his lack of plate discipline wouldn’t be such the issue and perhaps he could focus on his power while using his good contact skills. Just like Kinsler in Arlington. His OBP sucks for a leadoff guy and he should be hitting lower to utilize his power more.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
beltre has been benched for all sorts of stuff though i thought
being late, etc
more than just in-game things
i may be wrong though — little help?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
So, where do the super young LA guys fit in on your lists?
There are guys like Telis, who’s really impressing with the bat, and Leury Garcia, who is covered in tools and is holding his own in Hickory as an 18 year old despite some obvious growing pains.
Guys like Edwin Escobar and Rick Alvarez are doing some interesting things at a very young age.
Then you have the two ridiculous new bonus babies, Jurickson Profar and Luis Sardinas, by far our two biggest j2 signings in terms of dollars ever.
Where do these guys rate for you?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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I thought people said Profar would slot into our top 10
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 20, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
So, where do the super young LA guys fit in on your lists?
After Poveda.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 20, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
How many of those 6 are in your top 30?
They’re all in mine, I think.
The 15-35 area is pretty fluid, but I think right now they’d all make it.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I should get off my ass and write out a proper 30.
Escobar’s there, Alvarez, Tullis, and…Ovispo de los Santos.
I feel like there’s deafening quiet about Guillermo Pimentel, although Hindman’s given him some love. Profar’s weird path past the pitching mound makes me uncomfortable, and Sardinas I want to hear scouting on at least. Something more third-party than Preller.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 20, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
From BA's top 25 int'l list earlier this summer:
6. LUIS SARDINAS, SS
VENEZUELA
B-T: B-R Ht.: 6-0 Wt.: 150
Sardinas, who hails from Puerto Ordan, has a classic wiry shortstop frame. He should stay at shortstop, as scouts across the board say he has very good hands and good range, while some scouts have seen him throw better than others. Sardinas came to the United States in mid-June for the Perfect Game National Showcase at the Metrodome in Minnesota, where he ran a 6.83 in the 60-yard dash there, but some scouts say they have seen him run 6.6 and 6.7. Some scouts say Sardinas struggled with the bat earlier this year, but those who have seen him recently have said he’s hit well in front of them in game situations, to the point where he’s the uncommon high-profile Latin American prospect who looks better in games than he does in BP. The latest buzz from Latin America is that the Rangers are expected to land Sardinas, possibly for a seven-figure bonus.
15. JURICKSON PROFAR, RHP/SS
CURACAO
B-T: R-R Ht.: 5-11 Wt.: 165
Profar emerged on the national scene as the 11-year-old star of the 2004 Little League World Series champion team from Curacao. Profar led Curacao to victory with six shutout innings in a 4-0 victory over Mexico in the international championship game, allowing just one hit with 12 walks and five walks. He followed that up by going 2-for-3 with a home run in Curacao’s 5-2 victory against California in the LLWS championship game. The next year, Profar again led Curacao to the LLWS championship game by pitching six shutout innings with 12 strikeouts in a 2-0 victory over Japan in the international championship game, though his team lost 7-6 in the LLWS championship game. Now 16, Profar’s fastball ranges from 88-92 mph with a curveball that rates as a 55 on the 20-80 scale and should be a future plus pitch, though some scouts are concerned about his durability. While most scouts think his future is on the mound, Profar reportedly strongly has a strong preference to play shortstop. The Rangers are believed to be the frontrunner to sign Profar for a bonus of around $800,000, though it’s unclear whether he will begin his career as a shortstop or as a pitcher.
Apparently they both signed for around 1.5mm. That alone should tell you what our int’l scouts think of the kids.
Obviously that’s mostly a pitching report on Profar, but that’s all I got. Apparently he’s got pretty nice power for a 16 year old SS (reports he was hitting homers during a BP session at RBPIA when he was brought here after signing), and he should at the very least have the arm to stick at SS or, if he outgrows MIF, then 3b.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Those dollar amounts
may say as much about the market this year as they do about scouting, but yeah, the Rangers must have liked them to commit that much.
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i love this part
but those who have seen him recently have said he’s hit well in front of them in game situations, to the point where he’s the uncommon high-profile Latin American prospect who looks better in games than he does in BP
read the story how a lot of the time guys are only showin in BP but not in game situations and then when thrust into game situatiosn they are not always sure what to do/are super raw in game situations
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
im with you
i think they are all in top 30, but guys like garcia, alvarez slot into the right at 30 range, escobar, telis ate in the 25 range and then sarcinas/profar are probably in the 20ish range
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
So hard to vote here
I went with Boscan, could have just as easily voted for Poveda, Beltre. Moscoso, Telis, Madrigal, Pimentel, Gomez are all coming up for me soon. I’d probably vote for a Grullon before I pull the lever for Phillips. Kirkman I just don’t know what to do with.
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Went with Hurley again
The injury is scary, but its not enough for me to discount that if he is healthy, he’ll be ready for the Major League rotation. The other top guys to choose from now all have plenty of risk to never pitch in the Majors, and I don’t think that its any worse than Hurley’s.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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Moscoso is better
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 20, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
moscoso
much more likely to start next year with the rangers than hurley
muchmuchmuch more likely
also i like moscoso more than hurley
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 21, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
If you were a super hero
you would be “anti-common sense physiology man” and this would be your symbol: go/ao=.34
A couple of names to consider...
I’m wondering if Richard Alvarez and/or Pedro Strop should be added as candidates pretty soon.
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Agreed on both
Knowledgable folks have Strop ranked ahead of Madrigal.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
LSB CPP: MS #15 and #16
I went with Tim Smith #15 over Poveda
I’m changing up and going with Poveda as the #16. next Tim Smith, then my buddy Hurley
wow! Boscan still getting some love
by whittlemantastic on Jul 20, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions
Poveda > Boscan and Moscoso
geez… wake the fuck up
by whittlemantastic on Jul 20, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions
most of the list >>> Timmy Smith
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 21, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I really wanted the guy to sign last year....
keithlaw: Jack Armstrong – son of the former big leaguer – was 92-95 tonight for Wareham with a + changeup. #mlbdraft
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
*this guy
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 20, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Did we ever get firm confirmation of what he wanted vs. what we offered?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 20, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I never heard.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 20, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Moscoso is better than most think
Dont underestimate him.
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The biggest characteristic of this list lately: since about #11, you could go about ten different directions and not be that off base. It’s not all good or all bad, but there are a lot of prospects in this system at the moment who look pretty comparable.
Moscoso may be a few votes from making the list still, and I’m not sure that I wouldn’t take him over Kiker if I had to keep one and deal one. And I don’t think that it’s a discredit to the voting in this list, just speaks to the clump of guys they have at a certain level.
Also, one of the things that I’ve noticed myself doing since the Rangers developed such good pitching depth is to use the concept of tiers more in my thinking. Last fall, Feliz and Holland were on tier one, top end prospects. Perez and Main were tier two, to me, top prospects (top 100-ish) who hadn’t established themselves at the same level but had the potential to. A whole slew of guys (speaking in terms of guys who could still be starters) were on the third tier: Boscan, Ramirez, Ross, Wieland, Beavan, Kiker, Font, Hurley, Gomez, Hunter, Moscoso, Poveda, Murphy. And various tier fours, including the really young DR/Ven kids.
Perez has undoubtedly (to me) moved to tier one, Font has moved to tier two for me, they drafted two tier 1-2 types, and after Hurley’s thing, knock on wood, but I don’t think that they’ve had a single serious arm problem yet.
My regret, other than Main’s season, is that, though guys like Ross, Boscan (until recently), Moscoso, Hunter and others have had nice, positive seasons, I’m greedy and wanted a few more of those tier three guys to at least arguably become tier twos, and I really don’t think that any have as of yet.
On the other hand, particularly if they can sign those two picks next month, I probably do feel even better about the pitching in this organization than I did a year ago, which is really saying something.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 21, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
I def agree
I also believe that Ross has the best chance of moving from tier 3 into tier 2.
by Michael Cave on Jul 21, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
my one wish is for another Tier 1-2 position player prospect, hopefully an outfielder. It’s part of the reason why I was so pissed that the Ms signed GP II
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"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Same here on Pimentel
Not only might he have been a top level position prospect, he could have been a premium bat, something that the system will be devoid of once Smoak is in the majors. A lot of the good position players in the system over the past year were more about defense and positional value (Andrus, Teagarden, Borbon) than pure bopping power.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 21, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
defense and positional value
It seems they are valuing that type of player more highly in draft, trade, and signings. Coming home to roost a bit? Maybe they are at the point of overvaluing those type of tools/values and underrating the hit/power tools?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
void of premium bats
Wow, I know. I was thinking about this when going through the minors boxes this morning.
That Spokane club is firing blanks, which makes you wonder who’s going to pick up that slack anywhere around that age range/draft class.
Somebody in Hickory? Somebody in Bakersfield even?
Makes a man more grateful for the Moreland.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 21, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
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