Should the Rangers then be sellers? There’s a case for it, perhaps shopping Kevin Millwood, Hank Blalock, C.J. Wilson, and others who would have value in the market and who have no role on the team going forward. Millwood, having his best season in years, would be one of the top pitchers on the market, and a number of teams could use a bat on the corners. However, and this is not a position I usually advocate, the Rangers don’t have to make that kind of trade. The prospects they could get for players such as Millwood and Blalock would be a drop in the bucket in their system, and the bad PR involved in trading away veterans during a successful season could be damaging. The Rangers are that rare team that should be neither a buyer nor a seller, simply riding it out with the roster they have, treating this as a bridge season between their building years and their extended run of success.
From Joe Sheehan's column today on whether the Rangers should be buyers or sellers. This echoes something I mentioned in the podcast earlier this week, and which you should download and listen to (if you haven't already).
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CJ Wilson doesn't have a role on the team going forward?
by tyd3311 on Jul 22, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I won
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Jul 22, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I didn't
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Jul 22, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad im not he only one with a brian!! hahaha
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jul 22, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is Brian?
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Jul 22, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been asking that question for years now
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ever watch the movie IGOR?
brain writes his name on his face, except he spelled it “brian”
Michael Young > Steve Garvey.
Nelson Cruz >Greg Nettles.
Elvis Andrus > Willie McGee.
Ian Kinsler > Darryl Strawberry.
i dunno, that's just really random.
by gossamer on Jul 22, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does CJ Wilson
not have a role going forward?
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Jul 22, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CJ Wilson has no role on the team going forward??
What the hell?
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by thad728 on Jul 22, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
C.J. Wilson doesn't have a role going forward?
i’m confused.
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by willamos2 on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers should be very specific buyers.
They should get Halladay. I think, however, the Jays really want a SS prospect.
Whoa triple jinx on the CJ Wilson comment. I think he might mean that CJ will become expensive.
The thing about making this a “bridge season” is that it seems there is this assumption that an Ace will just show up from somewhere, once everything else is in place. That just isn’t the case. JD recognizes this. He’s been in on a number of top pitchers, and it’s why he’s in on Halladay.
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by rooster on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he is?
first I’m hearing he is in on Halladay
by kumizi on Jul 22, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
old news. Also, click on the little box that has your link open up a new window
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by RangerMad on Jul 22, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know...
He said it was the first he had heard of it though. My bad on the link.
by txhc on Jul 22, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn on this
On the one hand, I don’t want them giving up as this thing could still be won. However, I don’t want them giving away a bunch of high end talent for a year or two rental.
On the other hand, I wouldn’t mind flipping guys like Milly and Hank for guys a the top of a farm system, meaning not necessarily guys that are the best of a team, but guys who are good and will be ready real soon. If those can be had, then I say do it. But don’t give away the season for guys who won’t be ready for 2-3 years.
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by tasan on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there's no reason to trade Millwood
unless we’re bowled over. Or unless we get Halladay AND sign Sheets. And none of those things will ever happen.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of agree with this assessment
The PR hit of trading Millwood would be huge, as well as a big toll on the clubhouse (basically it is telling the players that they aren’t good enough to take a chance with).
Of course, it all depends on what you could get for Millwood. If Milly could somehow return a Philip Hughes or Joba Chamberlain from the Yankees, I think you have to do that. But I don’t trade him for a bucket of prospects like they did with Teixeira. They’d need someone who they could slot into their rotation or lineup right now that has good long-term potential (even if instantaneously is a downgrade, which is why the other team traded them for Millwood).
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by JBImaknee on Jul 22, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And there is the crux
Millwood will not land a Joba or Hughes alone.
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by boomer1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a perfect world...
Any way to be buyers on Halliday, while shopping Padilla and Blalock? Padilla should return something useful to offset the prospect cost of Halliday, while the dumping of Padilla and Blaclock can offset the financial cost of Halliday now and in the future.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Jul 22, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Padilla went unclaimed on waivers a month or so ago
I doubt you’re going to get anything useful for him now.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 22, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it was a pretty dumb comment from Jack
The Assasin isn’t going to return anything of true value
by Schultzy on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the world ain't perfect, either
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I was just trying to make the point that we don’t have to be solely buyers or sellers. If the market plays out right, we could do a little of both and give it a shot this year, while setting up the team for next year.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Jul 22, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it depends on who else is out there and which Padilla the buyer thinks they’re getting. The Padilla we’ve seen post-waivers has been reasonably effective. If there aren’t many other veteran 3rd starters available, I could see him getting us a Laird-esque return.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Jul 22, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would depend on how much $$$ we were willing to kick in.
I’m guessing if were willing to take on 70-90% of his salary we could get back a decent prospect or two, but I don’t see that happening
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by thedirkatron on Jul 22, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Millwood and Wilson no role going forward
How far forward is Sheehan looking? Millwood has a role next year. Wilson certainly for hte next two years. If he is looking forward, taking thier contract into consideration and thier present value, then those 3 have quite a bit of value on the trade market.
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by RangerMad on Jul 22, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In regards to Millwood
I really think he is talking about the next 2-5 yrs. I agree that Millwood does have a role next year but beyond that I really doubt he is a Ranger. Ideally, by then Feldman would be playing the role of reliable vet. I think CJ Wilson definitely has a value. Just matters whether he will be okay sometimes setting up and sometimes closing.
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by Michael Cave on Jul 22, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldnt this be the perfect time to
trade Millwood? Halladay’s cost is incredibly high. Cilff Lee is not going to get dealt. Milly instantly becomes the best SP option for a lot teams especially with how he has been pitching this yr. This may be a true maximization of his value.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
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by Michael Cave on Jul 22, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
what the hell do you expect to get for him?
if a decent to good organization’s top pitching and hitting prospect, plus a major league reliever that is better than most of the guys we have now, I’d at least consider it…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you
would only trade him for a decent to good organization’s top pitching AND hitting prospect plus a ML reliever? And you would only consider it at that pt? hahahahaha
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
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by Michael Cave on Jul 22, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey man
he’s got a LOT more value than just shedding his contract right now. What do you want in return? We’re a contender this year, and we need him next year if we’re going to contend, am I wrong? Am I wrong??
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read my response
to Adam’s comment below.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 22, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood
He probably brings you something between what Laird brought and what Gagne brought.
I don’t see that return as being good enough to make dealing him worth the hit you take.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 22, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His value to the Rangers
is greater than what he could bring back in trade.
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by RangerMad on Jul 22, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh i wouldnt expect much
just saying that if you were to deal him this would probably be the height of his value over the next year and a half.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 22, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Millwood, it's not just prospects
It’s salary.
I wouldn’t expect it to happen unless the money coming off the books was earmarked for something else.
That said, I don’t predict a Millwood trade.
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by hightowersmith on Jul 22, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think
trading kevin millwood during one of his patented “once every presidential term” good seasons could bring in more than trading a very shaky post injury Gagne for a package that was essentially a grab bag of shit the red sox didn’t really want (except Beltre)?
I have a feeling Millwood, even in this economy, still represents the most viable SP upgrade on the market…
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by clark on Jul 22, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling that package...
…“a grab bag of shit the red sox didn’t really want (except Beltre)” is sort of like saying that the Rangers traded Uggy Urbina for “a grab bag of shit the Marlins didn’t want (except Adrian Gonzalez).”
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 22, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. I still think you're underselling what Millwood would be worth on the market right now.
There’s a real dearth of decent pitchers out there.
He’s signed past this year and he’s not crazy expensive or anything.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 22, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, really?
Adrian Gonzalez was still a legitimate prospect whose swing had scouts drooling. The only knock was that he “might” not hit for power. So he easily trumps a toolsy wild card in rookie ball.
The other two guys were still considered legit guys as well (although not top tier) and they both still had a little projectability. Gabbard and Murphy were both guys who were absolutely buried on the Sox’ depth chart and really had nothing left to prove in the minors. It would be like a package of Nippert and Golson.
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by clark on Jul 23, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he was considered one of the best defensive 1B in the minors
and he was a former number one pick. So the two packages are actually nothing alike.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Jul 23, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and in the abstract it makes perfect sense.
But you have to take into account that dealing the team’s best pitcher right now when we’re right in the thick of the pennant race would be public relations suicide.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 22, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should be cautious buyers
ear to the ground. take advantage of good situations. shed payroll if ability arises where we don’t miss much at the ML level.
otherwise, sit tight and smile
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 22, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jul 22, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ultimately
i agree with you on this.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
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by Michael Cave on Jul 22, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CJ Wilson doesnt have a role on this team?
whoa
by kumizi on Jul 22, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
milwood
i wonder if we can get a top prospect for him
seems like the value of prospects has increase a lot over the last few years. before you could get a semi stud for a setup man.
by kumizi on Jul 22, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think we should look to deal blalock
and promote chris davis, who will have spent enough ABs in OKC by month’s end to constitute a “rehab” assignment.
of course, looking at what the red sox gave up for LaRoche today, this may truly be a buyer’s market, and if that’s the case, you’ve got to think we might try to buy AND sell a bit to get the right pieces in place and mitigate the cost.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Jul 22, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All this talk of trading our vetrans....
will not happen because of the effect on the clubhouse.
Trade Millwood? Trading the workhorse of the staff would cut the legs off of this team chasing the playoffs.
This isn’t fantasy baseball where the only thing that matters is stats….this is a major league club that must also consider the human aspects of a clubhouse.
by death of the cool on Jul 22, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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