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A's trade Matt Holliday to the Cardinals

The Oakland A's have traded Matt Holliday to the St. Louis Cardinals for Brett Wallace, Shane Peterson, and Clayton Mortensen.

All three guys are included in John Sickels top 20+ prospect list for the Cards coming into the season, with Peterson and Mortensen grading at C+, Wallace as an A-.

UPDATE -- John Sickels likes the trade for both teams.  I think his analysis is probably about right, particularly if the Cards decided Wallace can't stick at third base.

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had Wallace #2 and Mortensen #6 entering the season.

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by Lucas on Jul 24, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow

That makes the Cardinals a VERY scary team. Holliday and Pujols back to back…yikes

by ramjam36 on Jul 24, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

dont forget

a healthy DeRo who is no slouch.

You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…

I think you should seek counselling.

(AJM to Josey Donuts)

by Michael Cave on Jul 24, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh

completely forgot about him

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by blalock84 on Jul 24, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea

Its scary to think this is going to help Pujols put up better #’s than he already is…that guy is a freak

by ramjam36 on Jul 24, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't pitch to Pujols

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by RangerMad on Jul 24, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

At him, maybe.

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by thedirkatron on Jul 24, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't sell DeRo short...

“he’s a heckuva slouch”

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by bking on Jul 24, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quote fail...

“he’s a tremendous slouch”

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by bking on Jul 24, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice

Caddyshack invocation ha

You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…

I think you should seek counselling.

(AJM to Josey Donuts)

by Michael Cave on Jul 24, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quote Fail pt II

“Don’t sell yourself short, Judge, you’re a tremendous slouch.”

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by WhipSmart on Jul 24, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn html tags

only the “you’re” was supposed to be bold.

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by WhipSmart on Jul 24, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, I went with a paraphrase to fit the post I was responding to...

I have me Caddyshack quotes down pat. Ask my golf buddies, who probably wish I’d get struck by lighting in my backstroke…

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by bking on Jul 24, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course you say that after you initially messed up the quote

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jul 24, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ratfarts!!!

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by bking on Jul 24, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ludwick, too

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 24, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh.

The Cards don’t really do much for me. They’ve got Pujols and Carpenter, and now Holliday. And Ludwick might be coming on in the second half.

But the rest of that team, in my opinion, is a lot of filler. Joe Thurston? Skip Schumaker? Colby Rasmus (who’s a solid prospect, but a rookie nonetheless)? Brendan Ryan?

I think St. Louis is the third best team in the NL behind Philadelphia and LA.

"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009

by ghtd36 on Jul 24, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Filler

Yeah, you’re right, Adam Wainright is filler, Kyle Lohse is filler, Colby Rasmus is filler. Ryan Franklin is filler. Super analysis.

by pblack on Jul 24, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The A's are throwing some cash in there as well.

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by chrisR on Jul 24, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

1.5MM

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by boomer1 on Jul 24, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that

has to be the reason they’re getting two more players.

by Brett Perryman on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

from the Oakland POV

they ended up swapping Carlos Gonzalez, Greg Smith and Huston Street for Wallace, Peterson, and Morton. Do you think they end up coming out about even on that exchange?

There's more to the picture than meets the eye.

by tricer on Jul 24, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe ahead

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jul 24, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing is

Oakland also got 4 months of a top player just in case they were competitive this year. Obviously, things broke badly for the A’s (or they never were going to be good, depending on whether you trust PECOTA et al or just common sense).

To break even or come out ahead on Matt Holliday, plus get 4 months of him, is a pretty big win for Beane, no matter how you slice it.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jul 24, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed..

Too bad we don’t have a GM smart enough to sign guys and flip them if we fail to compete… Oh yeah……

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by bking on Jul 24, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huston Street has been phenomenal

and has another year of team control. Gonzalez continues to struggle, but with all those tools and being so young, he’ll get plenty more chances. After looking at it some, I’m not sure that the A’s even broke even on the deal.

There's more to the picture than meets the eye.

by tricer on Jul 24, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

x

isn’t Huston Street playing for the Rockies now? when was that trade? any one know?

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by horsedooty on Jul 24, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am glad it amuses

you. Do you know the answer to my question?

I soloed in the Mile High Club!

by horsedooty on Jul 24, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, he plays for the Rockies

November 10, 2008: Traded by the Oakland Athletics with Carlos Gonzalez and Greg Smith to the Colorado Rockies for Matt Holliday.

Baseball-Reference.com is my wingman.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I mean come on now.

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by boomer1 on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The A's traded Street to the Rockies for Holliday

last offseason. That is kind of the whole point of this discussion.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The confusion is confusing me

There's more to the picture than meets the eye.

by tricer on Jul 24, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Relax, it'll be 4:20 soon and all will be well....

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by bking on Jul 24, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dah. Cards.

Did they really have to send something worthwhile to the A’s?

I’ve heard pretty good things about Wallace – should we be disappointed with this?

by Trickman on Jul 24, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah. anyone have any further notes on the prospects?

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by mtex on Jul 24, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Goldstein on Twitter.

“Peterson is 2nd-rnd pick last year (LBSU), LH line-drive bat, + run, can play 1b/lf/cf, maybe CF in a pinch, power light.”

“Mortensen is GB machine, but pretty darn hittable too. Has back-end rotation possibilities, but no guarantees.”

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by ghtd36 on Jul 24, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

yea, both were taken in the top 60 or so of their draft

so they are reasonable enough prospects who have put up decent numbers. Peterson has a patient bat it looks like.

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by blalock84 on Jul 24, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

just looking at those

based off just stats I wouldn’t rank Wallace higher than 5th in our system and the other 2 wouldn’t crack our top 15. Would someone please give us a Holliday deal?

by corbsclinton on Jul 24, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wallace

4th for me. Probably 3rd for most of the national writers, who aren’t fully aware of the greatness of Martin

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by Conjunction on Jul 24, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, he'd be 4th too

and he’d be the B+ type prospect we dont have

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by blalock84 on Jul 24, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, he aint pretty

he’s probably gonna be a rather hated player in a few years down the road. Reminds me of a young Bobby Abreu, who i hate more than nearly any other player.

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by blalock84 on Jul 24, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, id love to have him on my team simply b/c he's about one of the most patient hitters in the game

but playing against him is one of the single most frustrating things for me to watch.

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by blalock84 on Jul 24, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

so true!

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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 24, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha!

That literally made me laugh aloud. Rec’d.

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by ghtd36 on Jul 24, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I look at his picture

and the first thing I think of is “Charlie Brown grew up and looks pissed!”

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by WhipSmart on Jul 24, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hank Aaron/Jason Botts

Easy.

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by TxStCa on Jul 24, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice

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by WhipSmart on Jul 24, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm... Patient, high average/high OBP first baseman with questions as to whether the homerun power will come.

Kevin Youkilis // Lyle Overbay.

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by thedirkatron on Jul 24, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Justin Smoak?

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by RangerMad on Jul 24, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

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by thedirkatron on Jul 24, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

little bit of a stretch. When I think of Smoak I think high avg\high obp. I don’t envision him being a top HR hitter. Doesn’t he project to be around a 25 HR guy?

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by RangerMad on Jul 24, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I mean, what we're trying to say?

That Brett Wallace compares to Justin Smoak?

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by thedirkatron on Jul 24, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Wallace projects to be a

patient, high avg, high obp with questions about his HR power then that seems to be comparable to Smoak. Especially if Adam is right about the Olerud comp.

I would prefer Smoak to end up being comparble with Eddie Murray but I would take an Olerud comp over a Mark Grace comp.

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by RangerMad on Jul 24, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cards are fast becoming to the A's what the KC A's were to the Yankees...

I don’t know if Beane has candid photos of John Mozeliak or what…

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by bking on Jul 24, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

sweet

i’ll get to see holliday play with pujols, ludwick and the immortal derosa later this year against dan uggla and hanley remirez

Michael Young > Steve Garvey.
Nelson Cruz >Greg Nettles.
Elvis Andrus > Willie McGee.
Ian Kinsler > Darryl Strawberry.
i dunno, that's just really random.

by gossamer on Jul 24, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

i dont like this trade as a ranger fan

but if they were going to trade holliday i guess it could of been worse

of course i would of rather them keep holliday and then not offer arbitration and receive nothing…but that wasnt going to happen

but wallace has the potential to be a masher in the coming years and is near mlb ready

by dustinvandeman on Jul 24, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

The only way I fear him

is if he finds a way to stick at 3B and be serviceable defensively over there. I would have rather had them not find a trade or settle for less, but Wallace could make them significantly better down the road if he can stick at 3B. If he has to move, then he isn’t nearly as valuable to them.

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by SaltyDawg on Jul 24, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather them keep Holliday and offer arbitration...

And have Holliday accept and cost them cash to prevent them from signing draft picks or something.

Unless they release him (without compensation) and pay 25% of that arbitration amount.

100% Ranger Win there.

by Trickman on Jul 24, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am assuming the Cards will offer him arbitration.

Will Holliday accept arb?

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by RangerMad on Jul 24, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

That entirely depends on the market this offseason

In a normal FA year, absolutely no way. But if no one is signing FAs, then perhaps.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jul 24, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

Holliday jumps all over arbitration. He would get about 16 mil right? Take that deal, have a full year with pujols in the same lineup and hitting at the new Busch stadium. Seems like it is a much better place to hit than Oakland’s place. Tackle that lucrative, long-term contract during 2011.

You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…

I think you should seek counselling.

(AJM to Josey Donuts)

by Michael Cave on Jul 24, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Who knows. It may make sense. But what if another team is just gunning for him? Jason Bay is a FA, right? Maybe the Red Sox let him go and go after Holliday. The Yankees if Damon leaves.

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by JBImaknee on Jul 24, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe that Bay is, yes

Red Sox are a viable option but it may be a situation where Holliday has to choose between 5/65 or so and 16 mil for one yr with a possibility of a 4-5/60-75 deal. The arbitration decisions this year will be very interesting.

You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…

I think you should seek counselling.

(AJM to Josey Donuts)

by Michael Cave on Jul 24, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see him getting 16mil in arb, but even if he could/did, why not take a long term offer, even if it's at less per season?

No one wants to play year to year, even if it’s the long term option.

I imagine someone will give him at absolute worst 5/65, and that beats the heck out of 1/16 if I’m him.

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by thedirkatron on Jul 24, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree

also, if he has two good months in st. louis he could possibly fetch 100 mil. it’s not like ML teams dont have a history of knee-jerking over guys who have a brief, dominant stretch right before free agency kicks in.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 24, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking at Wallace's #'s....

What am I missing? Looks fairly meh, is he just having a slow year or something?

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by Ryin A on Jul 24, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions  

What did this deal

do to Cleveland’s asking price for Martinez? It has to have gone up.

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by RangerMad on Jul 24, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Seems like Wallace has a pretty good shot of moving across the diamond

Which will give the A’s a mini-Rangers’ situation at 1B/DH. The guys they will have there aren’t the same quality as what the Rangers have (Smoak/Davis/Ramirez/Moreland>>>Wallace/Barton/Carter/???), but they should be able to scrape together a nice 1B/DH situation out of it.

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by SaltyDawg on Jul 24, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

And also

Once upon a time ago the Cardinals traded the A’s BA’s #32 ranked prospect whose projected value was tied to his defensive position © and great offensive potential. Now, the Cardinals have traded the A’s BA’s #40 ranked prospect whose projected value is somewhat tied to his defensive position (3B) and great offensive potential. Now Wallace is definitely the safer bet of those two prospects, but two words for A’s fans dreaming up lineups and Rangers’ fans fearing them: Daric Barton

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by SaltyDawg on Jul 24, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

exactly.

two words: Daric Barton

They do have a guy named Chris Carter who is doing ok for himself.

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by inactive lsb user on Jul 24, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: Kinsler

getting chippy on BAD radio about his “sing for the fences” approach. So tense.

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Jul 24, 2009 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

well then i guess that's not going to go away any time soon

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Jul 24, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's his problem

if he would stop singing in the batters box….

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by RangerMad on Jul 24, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Probably toe tapping to his song also.

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by boomer1 on Jul 24, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Black Betty

I think it was

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Jul 24, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kotsay anyone?

Red Sox just DFA’d him.

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by boomer1 on Jul 24, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Ugh

That is all this team needs, another 4th outfielder who can’t hit lefties

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jul 24, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

and unlike, say, David Murphy

Kotsay can’t really hit righties either.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Jul 24, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

(for the rangers)

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jul 24, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't want the Rangers to give up a similar package to have Holliday hitting behind Hamilton.

From the Rangers’ perspective, that would’ve been an overpay, IMO. I think Beane got a good deal out of it. The Cards probably are going to get what they need for their lineup, but they are also going to age quickly over the next two seasons.

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by rooster on Jul 24, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

I was hoping the Rangers would go after

Victor Martinez but I think he just got too expensive.

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by RangerMad on Jul 24, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't get a read on how motivated Shapiro is to trade Martinez.

The rumors with the Red Sox sound a lot like Rangers-Red Sox rumors from the offseason. Indians want a ML-ready starter. Red Sox aren’t willing to offer Buchholz. So, the Indians could be happy to have a Masterson-type ML-ready pitcher but are just waiting to see if the Red Sox make a last minute improvement in what they’re willing to deal.

If young ML-ready starter is really what they want and only thing they’ll take, they’re asking for more than what Holliday brought back, IMO.

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by rooster on Jul 24, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh, the good news is that Kiker can look forward to years of pelting Brett Wallace

I think he’s plunked him at least 3 times this season.

There's more to the picture than meets the eye.

by tricer on Jul 24, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Hahahaha

perhaps it gives him a good reference point on pitching inside.

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by inactive lsb user on Jul 24, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neyer is losing faith in the GREAT BIlly Beane

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-98/Losing-faith-in-the-A-s.html

At some point in these last three seasons, as I’ve watched the Oakland Athletics lose game after game, as I’ve seen move after move backfire — moves that I have generally supported, by the way — I seem to have lost my faith.

Today’s deal? On paper, it looks perfectly fine. The A’s trade two months of Matt Holliday and get (potentially) 18 years of three young St. Louis Cardinals. One of them, third baseman Brett Wallace, was a first-round draft pick just last year and is widely regarded as the Cardinals’ top prospect. Another, pitcher Clayton Mortensen, was a sandwick pick just two years ago and debuted in the majors a few weeks ago. And another, outfielder Shane Peterson, was a second-round draft pick last year and sports a .377 career on-base percentage in the minors (“Baseball America” doesn’t care much for Peterson, but John Sickels does).

As Erik Manning writes, Holliday’s worth $8 million and Wallace is worth $25 million. Even without considering Shane Peterson and Clayton Mortensen, it’s obviously a good deal for the A’s (we’ll have to wait and see if it’s a good deal for the Cardinals, since that depends largely upon whether or not they get into the playoffs).

If the A’s made a trade like this two years ago, I would have organized a parade to celebrate Billy Beane’s great wisdom.

Today? I just can’t do it. Instead of seeing three prospects obtained for a song, I wonder why the A’s would want a “pear-shaped” third baseman who doesn’t have much power and is widely thought to be a future first baseman, and I think about what a disaster Oakland’s last first-baseman-of-the-future (Daric Barton) has been. Instead of applauding Beane for adding to the organization’s pitching depth, I wonder what the A’s — who already have eight starting pitchers 25 or younger — could possibly do with another young starter. And I wonder how Peterson’s going to succeed where Ryan Sweeney and Travis Buck and Aaron Cunningham haven’t.

Before I can regain my faith in Billy Beane and the Oakland Athletics, they’re going to need to find a real third baseman, and perhaps a young shortstop who can hit, and they’re going to need to actually develop a young hitter.

Before I can regain my faith in Billy Beane and the Oakland Athletics, they’re going to need to start winning baseball games again.

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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 24, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Rangers comp

~ Smoak, Murphy (BA says Peterson’s ceiling is 4th OFer), and Hunter?

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by chrisR on Jul 25, 2009 12:54 AM CDT reply actions  

thats a better haul

Smoak>>wallace, and murphy has done it at the ml level. Not sure about hunter because his stock is high right now in rangerland.

I would say ramirez (pre injury), moscoso, golson/boggs/smith.

Obviuously I’m not too familiar with the other two guys but from what I’ve read the pitcher is a #5/bullpen arm and the OFer is a future 4th OFer with a good eye and fringe CF ability. So boggs is probably the closest comp but golson/smith may be more in line value wise depending on who you like. And 2008 ramirez had similiar value to wallace.

"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks

by SaltyDawg on Jul 25, 2009 2:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

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