LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #22
by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2009 6:16 AM CDT
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Yay! An exact tie! If a tie is the equivalent of kissing your sister, then a CPP tie is like making out with your sister live on the internet with a bunch of fellow Rangers fans! Or, as Brian Thomas would call it: Tuesday.
After garnering a matching 22% of 150 votes, Eric Hurley and Warner Madrigal have both won the right to be called the LSB Community #20 prospect!
The List So Far:
1. 1b, Justin Smoak
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. LHP, Martin Perez
4. RHP, Tanner Scheppers
5. LHP, Matt Purke
6. RHP, Wilmer Font
7. (Tie) RHP, Blake Beavan
7. (Tie) CF, Julio Borbon
9. RHP, Tommy Hunter
10. RHP, Michael Main
11. LHP, Kasey Kiker
12. LHP, Robbie Ross
13. C, Max Ramirez
14. RHP, Joe Wieland
15. 1b/OF, Mitch Moreland
16. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
17. OF, Engel Beltre
18. RHP, Guillermo Moscoso
19. RHP, Omar Poveda
20. (Tie) RHP, Warner Madrigal
20. (Tie) RHP, Eric Hurley
22.
Time to move on to the vote for #22.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And, as always, please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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Really tough.
I’m leaning towards Edwin Escobar.
I’m trying to think of it as: “The Cardinals dealt Troy Glaus to the Rangers today for salary relief and a PTBNL. ESPN has learned the PTBNL is minor leaguer NOT among the first 21 in the ongoing LSB CPP.”
Who would I most want the Cards not to pick?
I’ve narrowed my choices to Escobar, Alvarez, Telis and Lemon.
Zork!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2009 6:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the thought exercise
It makes me regret picking Michael Kirkman, but I’m sticking with this proximity-over-ceiling thing…
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 25, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive noticed during this process most split into two catagories
Those who favor ceiling and those who favor proximity to the majors.
I for one favor ceiling as a prospect to me is what they COULD be not where they play.
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by rentz on Jul 25, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, two ties.
I think NeRam. I was leaning towards the Lemonator…
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by jonthefon on Jul 25, 2009 7:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots of guys fit around here
Strop, Gomez, Escobar, Telis and cases could be made for guys like Smith, Phillips and lil Lemon
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by rentz on Jul 25, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hurley voters??
all should be banned…
phillips has to get the nod based on performance. he has a chance at making an impact in a ML bullpen.
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by NothinG on Jul 25, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hurley has a chance of making an impact in a ML rotation
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by Gdawg on Jul 25, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not if his shoulder explosion doesnt heal
his injury is pretty scary
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by rentz on Jul 25, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scheppers is our number 4 prospect
And he’s got plenty of injury risk attached to him as well. A guy who is an ML ready starter and can be better than a number 5 should be in the top 20 prospects of any system.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Jul 25, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scheppers
I dont think his injury is nearly as sever and he’s already been cleared by medical staffs of a few teams.
The type of injury hurley has is one that is pretty hard to come back from based on what ive read.
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by rentz on Jul 25, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying its not a risky injury
but he’s still very young and doesn’t really have an bad injury history. That’s pretty much the best case scenario for what type of pitcher would go through this kind of injury.
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by Gdawg on Jul 25, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillips
away from the Pen Haven that is apparently Bakersfield, Zach has really lost a lot of his luster.
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by FirebatM3 on Jul 25, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame sample size.
14 IP.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 25, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn between Strop and Gomez here
The Egyptian god of walking more than you strike out, Ne-Ra, just doesn’t intreague me.
I think I’ll go Strop, just based on the electric arm and the chance to make a bigger impact sooner in the ’pen if things click for him.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 25, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neil Ramirez
I dont get it either, especially not over strop,escobar,telis, and gomez
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by rentz on Jul 25, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going up to catch two Hickraw games next week.
Unfortunately it’s looking like I’ll miss Font again which makes my penis frown, but if my math is right I’ll get to see Boscan again and get to check out Namirez and finally find out if I hate seeing him as much in person as I hate seeing him in boxscores.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hickory
I guess you dont live close enough to take a spur of the moment trip to see certain guys? Guess thats where I’m fortunate living so close to frisco.
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by rentz on Jul 25, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, it's like 1.5 hours with not traffic according to people who've made the drive.
I’m gonna make the trip up to see Font at least once this year, though.
Even if I can’t convince anyone to go with me and have to spend three hours in the car and then be that guy looking super pathetic and lonely sitting all by himself in a minor league ballpark… I have to see Wilmer, damn it!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and the Audicity of Strop does nothing for me.
He must be one of hell of a thing to watch, cause a reliever with that cringy of a delivery who can’t get the walks under control makes me flaccid as fuck.
He’s barely in my top 40.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strops delivery
his delivery is pretty damn violent, but he has the stuff to get results. Maybe ive become a little biased because of trips ranking of him.
If strop can keep his arm from falling off he can be a nice piece to the bullpen.
Also with strop you have to keep in mind he’s still fairly new to pitching.
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by rentz on Jul 25, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Binning what's left
Guys with all-star potential but a fatal flaw
Strop – Except for the walks, he looks like a closer (9 K/9, 0.5 HR/9, 1.62 GO/FO). His walk-rate has improved each month and is down to 3.7 BB/9 in July.
NeRa – He just needs to throw strikes. Opponents have hit .166 and .220 against him in the past two years.
Breakout candidates
Sardinas and Jurickson – The most recent prospects whom the Rangers signed with bonuses in the $1.5-2.0 M range? Ross, Beavan, and Borbon
Escobar and Alvarez – Solid results and reports as 16/17 yo’s
Erlin – Kiker, Perez, Ross, Erlin
Brigham – Strong peripherals a year after TJS (9.8 K/9, 3.7 BB/9, 0.8 HR/9, 1.02 GO/FO)
Likely to be unspectacular major leaguers
Lemon and Vallejo – backup MIF
Gomez, Phillips, and Pimental - middle relievers
Smith and Bianucci – 4th outfielders
Pina – backup catcher
My vote goes to the guy whose Spokane numbers look like Derek Holland’s:
Holland – 3.22 ERA, 11.1 K/9, 2.8 BB/9, 1.16 WHIP
Tullis – 2.30 ERA, 10.7 K/9, 1 BB/9, 1.10 WHIP
Tullis is just 19 years old (Holland was 21 when he was in Spokane). He also has that insane GO/FO rate (3.17). Assuming they follow similar development paths, Ross and Tullis should follow Holland/Feliz, Kiker/Poveda, Beavan/Main, and Perez/Font as the next pitching pair to watch as they work their way through the Rangers’ system.
by spurdynasty on Jul 25, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tullis is a solid choice.
If I had to round out this top 30 of ours right ow, my next 9 would be from among these guys: Escobar, Tullis, Telis, Lemon, Brigham, Thompson, Alvarez, Profar and Sardinas.
Again, that’s unordered.
Leury Garcia’d be my 31st, most likely.
I could definitely see an argument for tons of other guys, though. It gets a bit murky down here and you can go a lot of different ways depending on what you want to emphasize.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good argument for Tullis.
I did not realize he comp’ed out that well, or that his numbers were that stout.
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by Rodney on Jul 25, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a small sample size (27 IP), but Tullis has produced like a TORP prospect
High strikeout and groundball rates combined with a low walk rate and BAA (.239). Right now, Ross and Tullis look to be the most impressive pitching prospects in the NWL.
by spurdynasty on Jul 25, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im going with Edwin Escobar
May be a little of a reach but his K/rate at his age is unreal. Also, the reports ive heard on his projectability
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by Michael Cave on Jul 25, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neil for me
Looks like he’s getting it together, and he has about as high of a ceiling as anyone in this system.
by ramjam36 on Jul 25, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting it together?
Yes, he’s finding new and inventive ways to have inconsistent mechanics and walk tons and tons of dudes.
Yay!
~Farts~
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doyle
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by bioaggie on Jul 25, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
O'Doyle rules!
Went with Pablo Escobar’s kid.
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 25, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went with
Tomas Telis for this one. He plays a very important defensive position, and is apparently pretty good at it. He has great contract rates and had a history of great plate discipline for the DSL. He’s shown great improvement in a lot of areas, I have a lot more faith in him than I did for guys like Santana or Yan.
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by FirebatM3 on Jul 25, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I also went Telis
Tullis is next for me.
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by t ball on Jul 26, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Went with Gomez...
but there are so many guys that could go into the 20-30 range that it’s pretty much throwing a dart at a board at this point.
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by slc ranger on Jul 25, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I went escobar but I could have just as easily gone gomez or even telis
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by rentz on Jul 25, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Scott Lucas' 7/25 Rookie Report
Edwin Escobar yielded eight hits but walked none in four innings. He gave up three runs and struck out four. The 17-year-old has a 7% walk rate and 25% strikeout rate in 24.2 innings.
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 25, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went Gomez too
Though by the way things look right now, I may be voting Gomez for awhile.
by naropean on Jul 25, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To those NeRam voters
IP H ER HR BB Ks
37 29 19 4 24 23
GO/AO 0.46
Trade for Ian Snell.
by sprite on Jul 25, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Grullon?
Having major control problems in the low minors, last time I checked.
You wanted to vote for him?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Total grab-bag at this point
Neil, Edwin, Alvarez, Telis, Tullis, Sardines, Juri-curl, Phillips, Strop, and Timmy Smith.
To me, it came down to Jurickson (love the pedigree, and a 16 year old shortstop hitting homers from both sides of the plate in a major league ballpark-yeah, yeah, it’s just BP- is really, really fucking intriguing) and Edwin. I went with Edwin, just because it’s great to hear we’re picking up LA guys with intelligence and character when there’s reports of kids down there living in batting practice and running drills from the age of ten to sixteen, then coming over here with a fourth-grade education and pocket full of cash.
I do realize I just fawned over a report of a Latin American kid having an awesome batting practice show and then didn’t vote for him because there’s too many kids that are impressive in batting practice but don’t know how to play or tie their shoes. Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.
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by Keynes on Jul 25, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops, forgot to attribute the quote
Walt Whitman, that is. Not a huge Whitman fan, but I had an English professor who used that a lot. Funny, the things that stick with you.
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by Keynes on Jul 25, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Profar
Is he a switch hitter? I’ve seen him listed as a RHB, but I remember the same report that you reference above, about him hitting HR from both sides of the plate.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 25, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Chuckles Newberg himself;
Incidentally, Profar, who gained repute as an 11-year-old when he led Curacao to the 2004 Little League World Series title as that squad’s pitching ace but will play shortstop professionally, took batting practice at Rangers Ballpark today and went deep – from both sides of the plate. He’s 16.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 25, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, more relavant but slightly less engorging quote
Profar, Sardinas, and Garia are all switch-hitters and all considered premium athletes with full toolboxes
There you have it, Newberg’s a fan of Profar’s, Sardines’, and Garia’s tools.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 25, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, I saw that but BA has him listed as a RHB
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 25, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used up a lot of internets hitting my Google button
and couldn’t find anything that referred to him hitting from the right side.
Just hoping the little bastard gets over here soon. Instructs, mebbe?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 25, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Namirez?
Seriously?
Yuck’ums.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His floor may be basement-level low
But there’s a decent argument for him having the highest ceiling of anyone on the list we’ve actually seen play at this point.
I ain’t making it, but it’s there to be made.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 25, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the argument, but I hate it
He’s approaching 2 full seasons after he was drafted and barely has any pro innings under his belt while showing some horribly bad control problems. I just don’t see any reason to put him ahead of other high ceiling guys that are just as far away like many of the LA guys.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 25, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoda thunk that
Hunter would be the #2 guy on this list outta the group of pitchers we drafted that year? And not too far from being the highest rated, at that?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 25, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're kind of glazing over the concept of ceiling
There aren’t many high ceilings at this point on the list. Ramirez has a much higher one that most anyone on there. For goodness sakes Phillips has 8 votes to his 24. That’s hardly a travesty. Not saying that I have a strong opinion on Ramirez, but results shouldn’t be 100% of the basis of voting.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 25, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that he has a very high ceiling
But I think at this point, he is very, very unlikely to reach that ceiling at any point. His results do play a part in that for me. There haven’t exactly been any glowing reports on him this season and it looks like he’s going to have to start in Hickory again next season to work on his control. I just don’t see what makes him more special than Escobar, Tullis (who I voted for), Pimental, or even Kennil Gomez who is also disappointing this season but has at least shown something in previous years. I think Ramirez probably fits in somewhere among that group of pitchers, but I wouldn’t put him ahead of all of them.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 25, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t decide what I think about Neil Ramirez right now. I’d like to watch him. Tullis is the other guy who needs serious consideration, though.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 25, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tullis
Im surprised I havent seen much buzz about him in other peoples rankings so far
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by rentz on Jul 25, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
he fell about right here in Parks’ as I recall. Jamey only ranks 20.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 25, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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