LAA/MIN and Saturday Afternoon Trade Talk
by blalock84 on Jul 25, 2009 3:53 PM CDT
Email
Print
For those who dont know, the LAA/MIN game is on Fox (at least in Dallas it is)
Here's a link to the LAA/MIN gameday if you'd like to follow along:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_07_25_minmlb_anamlb_1&mode=gameday
I helped clutter the last trade discussion thread with a ton of talk about Josh Willingham. So i figured i'd start a new one with some talking points to go along with a prayer meeting to call upon God to throw the Angels out of the baseball heaven they've pretty much enjoyed the last 6 years or so.
Halladay:
"the Phillies are now balking at the Blue Jays' asking price, which was formally presented Thursday as J.A. Happ, Kyle Drabek and Dominic Brown. It's believed they're hoping to substitute Carlos Carrasco for one of Happ or Drabek, particularly Drabek."
and now:
the Phillies have formally rejected the Blue Jays' proposal. Philadelphia is reportedly opposed to giving up both Drabek and Happ. (If i where the Phillies I wouldnt deal both of those guys either, but id do everything around that to make it work)
the Angels have "intensified their bid" for Halladay. The Jays are said to be asking for one player from the Halos' major-league roster and "another who could make an impact in 2010." (Ugh)
Willingham:
Newberg's Proposed trade idea:
Poveda+ Moreland for Willingham... I dont think that would be enough, but I do think if we added another mid teens level pitching prospect, like a Moscoso or Boscan we could likely do it. The Nats want young pitchers and I think we could interest them enough with some of or mid level pitchers to get a deal done.
Willingham's numbers: .288/.408/.553 for a .415 wOBA this year, Career: .269/.367/.483 for a .370 wOBA
He's upped his BB% to 13.7 over his career 12.0. His ISO is up about 50 points to .265. Anyways, whether or not he's the .370 wOBA hitter over his career or the .400 wOBA hitter this year, he's a valueable player and could be a useful hitter down the stretch for us. He's under team control through 2 more arbitration years after this year.
Interesting stuff...
and as i made this post the Twins go up 2-0 on the Angels.
113 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Well if the Angels do get Halladay at least they will have to give up something this time
Casey Kotchman and Stephen Marek (doing poorly/injured this year I believe)……… lol.
Go Twins.
the preceding post was a great success.
yep, they wont have much going forward after next season if they do that deal
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Nick Blackburn is hot shit right now
41 pitches through 3… the home side of the board is empty
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jul 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
help me here
If you are Riccardi, who do you ask for from LAA?
Wood seems like he would be an obvious target, then what?
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
im not sure, but apparently the Blue Jays know what they want:
“the Blue Jays have presented similar proposals (or lists of desired prospects) to the Dodgers and Angels. “The ball is in their court,” as Toronto GM J.P. Ricciardi said Friday."
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Is Walden still their best pitching prospect? He's had a tough stint in Double-A
by oc on Jul 25, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Trevor Reckling is.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 25, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Supposevlu
They want Wood, weaver and/or Santana…
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
*supposevly
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My iPod was correcting it to that...
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 11:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wood, Reckling, one of their young SPs
They’d ask for Weaver, but I don’t see why the Angels agree to that.
If the Jays don’t get Weaver back, they’d want the Angels to take a bunch of salary (Wells?)
Go Rice Owls!
Rosenthal
I’m watching the STL/PHI game on Fox. Rosenthal came on to saw that the Blue Jays asked for Brandon Wood, Erick Aybar, Joe Saunders, and a minor league prospect. The Angels apparently were not interested.
can't be true
why in hell would the Angels turn that down?
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
Because some people with the Halos think Joe Saunders is good.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
because saunders is having a bad year but can round into last year's form (at least us angels' fans hope)
plus wood is our top prospect and aybar is fantastic defensively and is starting to round the corner to becoming a really good hitter
plus the minor league prospect was probably walden or reckling
R.I.P. #34
Angels
We could top that package pretty easily.
Tampa Bay is the team that could go him if they wanted to. They have shortstop and plenty of young pitching they could offer, but I guess they can’t take on the salary.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 25, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i would just like to formally guess that we make a hard push for halladay
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
frickin take a walk Span
that was ball four with Mauer coming up
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
how good is the angels
farm system?
is it somewhat depleted after graduating a lot of players the last several years?
and what’s the difference between brandon wood and chris davis? b/c i doubt toronto would accept a deal centered around davis
go here to view my blog: http://dirtfromd.blogspot.com
im not sure, but i feel like Wood is a lesser prospect than Davis
he’s older. Although, he does have the ability to play a more premium defensive spot.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
here's a link to the Angels top 20 according to Sickels
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/12/31/706285/los-angeles-angels-top-20
obviously that could look completely different now
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
its not good
because all of their young players are on the team right now
the top young guys for years have included saunders, weaver, santana, basically the entire bullpen, infield, and both of the catchers
and the difference between wood and davis is wood’s potential upside is a lot bigger and he hasn’t recieved extended playing time like davis has
R.I.P. #34
The Twins are up 2-0 right now
I hope they put the pedal to the metal… Matt Palmer has a 4.76 ERA. He should NOT have a 7-1 record if he has a 4.76 ERA.
that's an angels pitcher for ya
go here to view my blog: http://dirtfromd.blogspot.com
by studcrackers on Jul 25, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I don't know about amazing
but 2-1 with chone on second and no outs.. might as well be 2-2.
the preceding post was a great success.
Ah, chone hr and maicer double then.
And now izturis scores and still nobody out.
the preceding post was a great success.
wow Cudeyer is slow as balls
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
ha, i hate bobby abreu so much
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Brown+Happ+Drabek is alot
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
3-2 Angels now
I’m about willing to make the drive to Anaheim from San Luis Obispo and poop in their water supply.
well that was fast
just leave the field twins
go here to view my blog: http://dirtfromd.blogspot.com
and again, if the twins had Nellie Cruz in RF
thats two outs
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
wish i could see it
we got the cards/phillies game
i hate watching fox b/c the games in hd but since i dont have hd it goes like a second slow and it’s not fun to look at
5 straight god damn hits though, ridiculous
im calling an aybar infield single
go here to view my blog: http://dirtfromd.blogspot.com
by studcrackers on Jul 25, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
So what does Rev think of his theory about MLB trying to fix things so baseball gets big in DFW now?
Seems like MLB actually fixed things so the Angels will win it so that they can lose in the first round of the playoffs again. How else do you explain every team playing its worst possible baseball when it faces the Angels?
No clue
But the Angels are just like the kid who cheats, lies, and steals all the way through school and gets away with it because a parent is in the office weekly threatening to sue and blaming other kids for his son’s weitd behavior. citing everything from Watergate to Columbine and questioning the motives and background of his teachers. And Rev is that parent.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 25, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
hell yea
great play by morneau
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
certaintly close
ball beat him there. Redman blocked the play, but Morales might have gotten in there… still a great play by Morneau
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
shit, how many bloop hits can a team get....
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
it really is... unreal
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
We've gotten one
Bloop hit. Maybe two if you count Howies, even though it was lined…
And Morales was safe. Is a home run, 2 doubles, and two lined singles lucky?
No. And our strike zone is getting squeezed.
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
2 bloop singles now
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
3
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And two home runs
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
All the other people?
I dunno…
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We admit
Those are the worst commercials in eternity…
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He preaches oppo
CONSTANTLY
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
this unreal... three bloop hits in the inning
and one ball that Cuddyer should have caught
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Are you counting Howies
as a bloop?
Figgins is an All-Star. Period. Congrats, my Figster!
by Figgi4life on Jul 25, 2009 4:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
WTF
has gotten into Izturis. This is some bullshit
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jul 25, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions
well
looks like we’re back to 4 out :(
'Howard makes me fear the NKoreans less... If they shot anything at us, he’d be there to block it." - Aquaman56
"Also Ian’s season is following the same pattern as Ricky Martins Career. Both needed another hit, bad." - SaltyGoesYard
It is a big deal
How many teams in the last 10 years have made the playoffs when they were four games out in late July?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 25, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Playoff teams >3.5 games back on this date:
07 Rockies were 4.5 back.
07 Phillies were 5 back.
06 Twins were 8.5 back.
06 Dodgers were 6.5 back.
05 Astros were 10.5 back.
04 Angels were 4 back.
04 Red Sox were 7.5 back.
04 Astros were 13 back.
03 Twins were 5.5 back.
03 A’s were 4 back.
03 Marlins were 13.5 back.
03 Cubs were 4.5 back.
02 Giants were 4 back.
01 Cardinals were 8.5 back.
01 Astros were 4 back.
01 A’s were 18 back.
2000 A’s were 4 back.
2000 Mets were 6 back.
1999 BoSox were 8 back.
1998 BoSox were 15 back.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 25, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
22.3% of playoff teams
during that time frame fit that criterion. not a huge portion, but certainly enough to show it’s doable. I wonder what percentage of teams 4 games back made the playoffs. i also wonder what percentage of teams 4 games behind a divisional opponent with a greater likelihood of trading for a productive veteran (or a likelihood of trading for a more productive veteran) made the playoffs.
not panic time, but not the rosiest of outlooks either.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 25, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Conversely, 77% of the playoff teams do not climb that mountain
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
well, on opening day when everybody is 0-0, 73% of the teams will end up not making the playoffs
So there really isn’t much difference in the probability of any random team on opening day making the playoffs compared to a team 4 or more games back on July 25.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
doubtful
27% of 0-0 teams make the playoffs.
i am just guessing here, but the percentage of “4 games back on july 25th” teams that make the playoffs is probably lower.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 26, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
wow
that was quick
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Is
Gardenhire looking yet?
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jul 25, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions
I wondered what was happening
until I realized R.A. fucking Dickey is in
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Jul 25, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions
i go away for 5 minutes with a 4-2 score
and they put up another god damn 5 spot, christ this is laughable. fuck you twins and fuck you mlb
btw anyone seen our craptastic lineup yet? it’s stupid:
1. Ian Kinsler, 2B
2. Michael Young, 3B
3. Josh Hamilton, CF
4. Andruw Jones, DH
5. Hank Blalock, 1B
6. Marlon Byrd, LF
7. Nelson Cruz, RF
8. Taylor Teagarden, C
9. Omar Vizquel, SS
go here to view my blog: http://dirtfromd.blogspot.com
ugh
i generally dont get up in arms about lineup stuff but i am starting to get sick seeing cruz in the bottom third of the order.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 25, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Murphy sick
or is Wash just wanting to get AJ some ABs?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
apparently he did have flu-like symptoms
i dont know if thats behind the lineup though.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 25, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
id rather see him
stick murph in there for byrd and keep AJ in the lineup. he’s been drawing a lot of walks lately and can still bring the pop.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 25, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
lmao :[ I've watched this whole inning. The Angels have either
Amazing luck or they’re really just this good.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Elvis would've made that play standing up
'Howard makes me fear the NKoreans less... If they shot anything at us, he’d be there to block it." - Aquaman56
"Also Ian’s season is following the same pattern as Ricky Martins Career. Both needed another hit, bad." - SaltyGoesYard
Apparently the Angels offered Jered Weaver
And a pick of Outfield or infield prospects to The Jays for Halladay. They got rejected apparently.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 25, 2009 4:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
hmm
maybe they are waiting to see if any bette offers come in or trying to squeeze another prospect or two out of the angels, but that seems like a pretty attractive deal. is drabek’s ceiling really that much higher than what weaver already is? he still has 3 years before F.A. it looks like, not bad.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 25, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I was able to go get a burger at the corner joint
and get back during that half-inning. It was 2-1 when I left, 2-9 when I got back.
gak
The Angels record after today against teams not named Texas
56-31
25 fucking games over .500
Thank you MLB for shitting yourself everytime you play the Angels.
by death of the cool on Jul 25, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
this is very frustrating
their pitching has largely been bad all year, argueably the two most feared hitters in their lineup are out, yet they can continue to win. can they really keep mizar iztursing and erik aybaring teams to death much longer??
its amazing... I thin everyone sees that its the Angels winning and there like 'oh, this is supposed to happen' but then
you see how they are doing it and its really not whats supposed to happen. They are using offensive juggernauts like Izturis and Ayabar and Figgins to beat teams… it makes me sick
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
as much as i hate that team
and all that ‘smallball’ shit ever since sciosia has been there they have pretty muh made a decade out of perfoming way better than their perphial stats say they should. has to be something to it…
you have to think their team speed
helps their BABIP a little, but it’s definitely above where it should be. and i just dont think that tandem of middle infielders is going to keep producing like this.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 25, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
One could argue that they're saying the same about our pitching staff.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday 10 PM - 1 AM and Tuesday-Thursday 9 PM - 1 AM on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
totally
one could also say the same about our offense. i think on balance they are a slightly better team than we are, but their injuries have not had nearly the deleterious effect that they should have.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 25, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
yea, fully healthy, they are better
but they have been hurt a ton this year.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Fuck the goddamn Angels.
Fuck their Rally Monkeys.
Fuck their career year players.
Fuck Angels in the Outfield.
Fuck Hardcore.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday 10 PM - 1 AM and Tuesday-Thursday 9 PM - 1 AM on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
Yeah! Fuck the Free World.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 25, 2009 5:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
if Morneau hadnt grounded into that DP this would be a tight game
still 9-4 in the 7th against a somewhat shaky LAA pen
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
dont get too excited
gamecast still says 97% win percentage for Angels.
by nathanbaum09 on Jul 25, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
