Rosenthal on the Rangers
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 26, 2009 11:32 PM CDT
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PrintKen Rosenthal with some trade deadline notes, including this on the Rangers:
Count the Rangers among the clubs that balked at the Blue Jays' asking price for ace right-hander Roy Halladay.
The Jays told the Rangers they would want left-hander Derek Holland, first baseman Justin Smoak and "two other top guys."
The Rangers remain in the market for a bat, with the Indians' Ryan Garko and Mets' Gary Sheffield among their targets, even though Sheffield currently is on the disabled list.
Josh Willingham would fit the mold, too, but teams continue to report the Nationals' asking price is high.
I assume it is fair to say that most folks here would want the Rangers to pass on giving up Smoak, Holland, and two other top guys -- say, Beavan and Borbon -- to land Halladay.
Garko is the guy who seems to make the most sense, at this point. You could probably get him for someone like Poveda and, say, a Brennan Garr or Evan Reed. That's a reasonable price.
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Ryan Garko...
He’s a pussy magnet in Ohio.
by miles on Jul 26, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You are a beating.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
wow
they really don’t want to trade him, do they?
Never argue with a fool. Onlookers might not be able to tell you apart.
slightly OT
that is a hilarious picture of Garko. If he looks like that every time he throws the ball, we’ve got to get him here for entertainment purposes if nothing else.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
Has the 3 team rumor been posted yet?
Rays get: Cliff Lee
Indians get: Wade Davis,Derek Holland or another B+/A- prospect
Rangers get: Scott Kazmir
It’s on yahoo!.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 26, 2009 11:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Somethings wrong with Kaz right now.
He wasn’t 100% last year, and he’s been horrible this year – the strikouts are down to a career low, and the walks are up to a career high BB/9 so far. With his iffy injury history, he’s a guy you stay away from unless you get an incredible buy low deal on him. Giving up Holland for him is not a buy low deal.
The Rangers are probably the ones that get shafted in that three-way, getting stuck with the gimpy arm.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
as a fantasy owner of kazmir
these last two years, i echo that emphatically. and even if you admit that kaz is better than holland, that doesnt mean he’s more valuable than holland and his oodles of cheap, controllable years.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 27, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
x
FB down by 1.5mph from last year, Slider down by 1mph from last year.
Forgot to add.
His velocity has trended down basically his entire ML career.
Yucky.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Yah, he's expensive and he's long been a cliff dweller.
Always flirting with disaster but able to survive cause he could dial up the old FB and blow people away to get out of jams.
Suddenly his stuff has gone from great to very good and he’s struggling.
Imagine that.
I’d take a chance on him if the price was low enough, but I wouldn’t deal Der-Hol for him. No freaking chance.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions
not for the last 12-13 months
He’s older, more expensive and has already had a couple of arm issues.
Never argue with a fool. Onlookers might not be able to tell you apart.
Zero interest in Kazmir especially if it costs Holland
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
If only we could get a kazmir for zambrano deal — kazmir for padilla anyone?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 27, 2009 9:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
if we trade kazmir for holland
we could end up being the mets in the kazmir-zambrano deal
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
+40
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Yeah, the Jays can go fuck themselves.
The Nats too, if they’re gonna try and rape people for Willingham. I’d be interested to know exactly what the price they’ve set is, but if it’s anything more than the package Jamey suggested… forget him.
I’d be interested in picking up Garko for that price, but he can’t hit RHP’s – all he is is a platoon guy for Blalock, although we could admittedly use that.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Sure could.
And it’s not as if he’s horrible against righties—just nothing special, which is why the asking price would likely be more palatable than these other goons.
by brettgardner on Jul 26, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, looking at his splits they're not as bad as I thought
Especially for this year. I think he’s improved some against RHP’s this year since the last time I checked.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
How much of an improvement would he be over Jones? I see Garko has a really good 3-year OPS vs. LHP (.896), but his defensive value is really low.
But also, why would the Indians give him away for so cheap?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
They have Matt LaPorta
and Andy Marte, both in need of ML ABs. I think his value is much like Eduardo Perez when they traded him – a guy with no defensive value who is good as the lesser part of a platoon. Those guys don’t tend to cost much, especially when they’re heading into their arbitration years.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Fair enough.
I figured they wanted to clear some room for Laporta, but I still don’t know why they’d give away Garko for a Pimentel or Gomez. But perhaps you’re right.
Oh, and Is Marte a 1b now?
It’s a genuine question. I know he’s hitting now in the minors and they need to call him up soon or 40 him over the Winter or risking losing him over the off season as a minor league FA, but he was a 3b.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I think
Marte is mainly a 1B while Wes Hodges plays 3rd for that Columbus team. I’m sure he could play either corner, but regardless, they need the 25 and 40 man space.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
i could dig garko
i just dont think this is the year to sell the farm for a WS run. just add some cheap, useful pieces and hope a few things fall into place.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 26, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
They might be ready to clear Garko
just to get the 40 space.
I think they’d want someone not on the 40 man, someone like Fabio Castillo.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
err or rather
someone who won’t need to be 40’d after this season.
Would you do Ryan Garko for, say, Carlos Pimentel? Or Kennil Gomez?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Da.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
i really dont understand the need to rape other teams every time you trade one of your own players who has little present value
to you as you arent gonna win anyways… If you were a good, secure in yourself, smart GM, you’d take good value and be done with it instead of holding on to a player to long. Trying to rape us or the Philies and take away a couple top 25 in all of baseball prospects plus a ton of other stuff and ending up without anything for Halladay is counterproductive… If you arent going to win this year or next like the Nats and likely the Jays, why not make a deal that builds you a ton of future value… there shouldnt be that much incentive to hold onto players like Halladay, Johnson, and Willingham when they are at a rather high value or at the highest point of their value.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Remember when the Nationals
SHOULD’VE traded Soriano? And they didn’t. Yeah, those were the days.
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
That was hilarious
especially when Bowden had a press conference to announce that he didn’t trade Soriano.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I believe
I was the first to suggest Garko.
Yay me.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 27, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't really think Garko's going to help out much...
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 27, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
He's gonna get fired
if he blows this right? I mean, next year they have no leverage to deal Halladay, who’ll probably bolt, and Vernon Well’s and Alex Rios’ ridiculous contracts kick in.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I think he's trying to save his job by getting a Teixeira-like return.
I really don’t understand why he’s not giving teams a window to negotiate an extension though. He probably took a couple of suitors out of the picture with that alone.
Probably because
Halladay doesn’t want an extension until he can test the market. He probably thinks he can get CC Sabathia money on the market, while he’d have to settle for something less if he negotiated an extension. Riccardi knows that, but he’s hoping that teams trading for Doc doesn’t.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Yes, and Halladay's got a whole 'nother year on his contract.
It’d be borderline ludicrous to expect a window for an extension or, for that matter, that Halladay would in any way feel like he should be amenable to such talks right now anyway.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that what Johan Santana did?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Off season deal. Completely different scenario.
There’s a very finite time factor here that makes that sort of thing nigh unpossible.
And it’s also important to note that Johan wanted an extension.
As you said above, Roy’s made it very clear he’s looking forward to FA.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions
It's really not at all though.
Their demands on Philly are quite similar to our demands for Tex/Mahay.
Feliz/Salty/Andrus/Jones/Harrison at the time is quite similar to Drabek/OF’er/Happ and for that matter their request from us for Smoak/Holland/2 other dudes.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Halladay/Teixeira
I thought about that parallel, totally.
The Blue Jays would be fools to accept less than JD got for Teixeira.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 27, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The Blue Jays
aren’t going to get what JD got for Teixeira, unless a GM is retiring I don’t know about.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Probably not.
I would be completely unsurprised to see Roy end the year with the Blue Jays.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
The Blue Jays aren’t going to get what JD got for Teixeira
In case I need to clarify, I’m not talking about quantity.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 27, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
The thing with the Teixeira trade...
1. Schuerholz was retiring.
2. The Braves got two major-league players, one a top bat who is also a top defender, and the other an important piece for the bullpen.
3. Halladay is one player… a good one, but he would only improve one area of the team: starting pitching. Atlanta improved three areas of the team with the Teixeira trade: offense, defense and relief pitching.
It makes sense to me that what Atlanta got in return for the five guys it sent to Texas is worth more than what Philly would get in return for its four guys it would be sending to Toronto.
This is why...
Halladay will still be with the Jays come Aug 1st.
No team is going to give up that kind of package for Doc. He’s a great pitcher, but my hell. I think JP is trying to rape someone to try and save his job.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Roy sucks.
Okay he doesn’t suck. But, how long would we have him? Less than 2 seasons guaranteed?
That alleged offer would be a horrible idea.
They’d have him for something like 13 starts this season and next season (he averages 29 per season).
by Brett Perryman on Jul 27, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah, I think there's a 90% chance he's gone.
He’s a dominant #1 pitcher and he’s signed beyond this season.
Number ones very rarely change teams, and when there’s a chance to get one, all the contending teams with the pieces to jump in on him do just that.
I think he’s a Philly by the end of the week, but who knows.
The Angels are apparently serious and may have offered Weaver.
Toronto’s not winning this year or next.
They’d be crazy not to cash in that chip while it’s at it’s most valuable point.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
What exactly does Riccardi have to lose by holding out
for a king’s ransom?
If someone gets anxious and pull the trigger, he might save his job. If he trades Halladay for a lesser deal, he’ll end up in the same situation that he finds himself in now – soon to be unemployed. I think he either gets his package, or no deal occurs at all. Unlike other guys, Riccardi doesn’t have much to lose for holding out for a king’s ransom. If Halladay doesn’t get moved, it’s the next guy’s problem.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I guess.
But he’d probably like to be employed again, and if he’s seen as a guy who put his piddling career before making a move that helped the team employing him, that’d probably put a swift end to those opportunities.
Not that a lesser deal necessarily helps Toronto, but it could.
by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Former moneyball guys
don’t really have a good history of re-employment do they? I mean DePodesta is still an asst. GM for SD. I don’t think it matters much either way in his long term employment prospects.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
May not.
And I’d imagine that settling for a less-than-premium return for your ace because you needed to make a deal probably wouldn’t be looked upon favorably, either.
by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I know DePo has gotten offers but, just like when he got offers in Oakland, he's picky and wants to wait for the perfect opportunity.
He’s fine being an assistant unless he gets something he thinks is an excellent fit (and I think he may think SD will one day be an excellent fit). Of course, he thought LA was. He didn’t count on their psycho media listening to their owner.
Is Riccardi definitely gone?
Toronto’s management seems to love him.
They’ve stuck with him through years and years of good but not good enough for the AL East teams, why would another one this year snap the camel’s back?
Oh, and I think you’re right that he’ll hold out for a great deal, but I think he’ll get an offer good enough that he’ll realize he won’t be able to do better in the off season and pull the trigger.
Toronto needs to rebuild in the worst way and I can’t imagine Riccardi’s so dense as to not see this.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
I can’t imagine they’re all too keen on another year after his 5 year plan went up in flames. That Rios deal and Wells deal both look to be albatrosses, I can’t imagine the Jays ownership will be too happy about spending so much money on a consistently mediocre product.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I don't think the Rios deal looks so bad if you factor in that no one saw the economic thing coming.
If the market was still on it’s regular course of slowly rising I think the Rios deal would look fine.
Rios has struggled this season, enduring a brutal early slump, but he’s really talented and has a track record of being good.
The Wells deal, however, was effing terrible.
Wells could barely handle centerfield at the time the thing was signed and was showing every indication of a guy who was declinging atheltically and would seen be forced to corner and lose most of his value when he did.
Now the Jays are looking at paying 25mm a year to a guy who’s one of the very worst defensive CF’ers I’ve ever seen play and is only a mediocre hitter.
For all we’ve bitched about the FFace extension, the Wells extension the FFace extension times a billion and topped with a nice topping of whipped poop.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions
BtB Contract Review
Suggested that Wells’ contract was worth 5 Halladays in terms of trade value.
Additional looks into the Rios contract suggest that he is just about earning his contract at a value of ~$5M per WAR.
So, Rios is not an albatross, but Wells is probably one of the worst contracts currently in-force as he’s barely been above replacement level so far.
Contract Up
I thought JP’s contract will be up at the end of this year, so management really won’t have to fire him if they want to go in a different direction.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 27, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
That's roughly tantamount to what they're asking from Philly.
Though I like ours guys a good deal better.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
and Philly went a notch or two down with like three of the players in their counteroffer.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 27, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
If you were the Phills would you pony up Drabek/one of their two stud OF prospects/Knapp for Halladay?
Seems like they’re in a position where adding Halladay is worth giving up three AA-and below studs.
But maybe that’s just me.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd definitely give up Drabek and one of their outfielders in their situation
not sure if I would agree to all four of those guys Toronto asked for, though.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 27, 2009 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought the rumor was they asked for one of their two OF stud OF prospects, plus Drabek and JA Happ?
3 dudes, right?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
The Phillies need to bet the farm
They won the WS last year. They are a virtual lock for the playoffs this year. If they get Halladay they are WS favorites for next year. There window is WIDE open right now. How many teams have won 3 consecutive WS?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Two franchises four times.
Yankees won four in a row in like the 30s, 5 in a row in the late 40s and early 50s (dates may be wrong, I don’t feel like looking it up) and 3 in a row from ‘98-’00. The A’s won three in a row from ‘72-’74.
I would like these players...
to still be Rangers come Aug 1st :
Andrus, Kinsler, Hamilton, Cruz, MY, Feliz, Holland, Perez, Smoak, Davis, Feldman, Fx2, BGL, O’Day.
I would like these players to be traded come Aug. 1st :
Blalock, Byrd, Guardado, Jennings.
As for anyone else. As the “Million Dollar Man” Ted Dibiase used to say, “everyone’s got a price.”
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Wash would probably throw a tantrum if Byrd got traded
And the Rangers seem to think the clubhouse would dissolve into anarchy without the team comedian and his bullpen-high 5.55 tRA around.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Eddie...
has been alright lately. A lot of teams are looking for help in the ’pen. Especially a LOOGY. It may not be a popular move with the players, but seeing Feliz pitch should make them feel better.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
it'll cost us money to trade Eddie.
He has a clause in his contract like
You trade me, $200,000 to go to a team in the West
And the price rises with each division that is farthest away from his family.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 27, 2009 1:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I've never seen Wash throw a tantrum
so I’d love to see Byrd traded for 2 reasons.
'Howard makes me fear the NKoreans less... If they shot anything at us, he’d be there to block it." - Aquaman56
"Also Ian’s season is following the same pattern as Ricky Martins Career. Both needed another hit, bad." - SaltyGoesYard
That looks very similar to my list
though I’d allow Davis to be traded if a team is willing to give us 75% of his “preseason value,” whatever JD & co. interpret that to be.
Go Rice Owls!
what percentage of his preseason value
do you think we could realistically get for him if we dangled him now?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 27, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably not much...
I really don’t want to see the Rangers sell low on CD.
I may not love him quite as much as AJM, but it’s close.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
So you are throwing in the towel for this year?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Keeping...
the 4 guys I would like to see dealt will not win the Rangers a pennant this yerar. They’re not part of this teams future, and are blocking players that are. I would roll the dice and see what you can get for them while letting other players like Feliz, CD, and Borbon play the rest of the year.
Blalock especially, should be dealt if the Rangers could get a guy like Garko.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
You may not view it as
throwing in the towel but the players in the clubhouse would.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
depending on who they got in return
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 27, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
What does you
or anyone else think Blalock, Byrd, Guardado, Jennings would get on the trade market?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
ummmm...
room to move a hitting or pitching contact from another organization that’s currently on the market to our team? that’d be the ideal situation. but a prospect for each isn’t out of line
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 27, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Eddie
got Hamburger last year. I wouldn’t call him a prospect. Jennings alone does get one. I believe Byrd and Blalock will both be type B FAs so they should at least net a fringe prospect.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Ryan Garko
looks like he’s looking for a helping hand.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Here's something else...
what if the Phils aren’t able to get Halladay. They still need help in the rotation. Would they be willing to deal either Happ or Drabek for Millwood? Would the Rangers do that? Again, it would probably be a unpopular move with the players, but I’d be all over that.
Not sure the Phillies would though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
while the value would be there to do that
dealing Milly likely wouldnt be a good idea b/c we still have some type of shot to get to the postseason this year and trading Milly would take a good tick off our chance next year too.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
JA Happ
is not very good.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Why not?
A perfectly servicable #3, LAIE-type.
4.14 FIP last year, 4.17 this year.
I really like him quite a bit, actually.
Ratio’s are quite encouraging.
The only thing keeping from getting above #3 status in my mind is the fact that’s a flyball pitcher. In the right environment he could be pretty dang useful.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
If he was in a place like SD he and his unfortunate name would probably make a few All-Star games.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Not with their current OF defense
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Brian Giles would rage-punch so many of his girlfriends if he heard he way you were speaking of him.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions
If he were in San Diego
It’d be more likely that his unfortunate name would be misunderstood.
by brettgardner on Jul 27, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not only a flyball pitcher
but he’s managed to give up less than expected number of homeruns, despite being in a hitter’s park. At 38% GB, that’s a good combination for regression, in my mind.
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Meh, his FB/HR ratio is a little on the lucky side, but I don't think it's crazy lucky or anything like that.
Like I said, that’s what keeps him from being anything more than a #3/LAIE-type, but that’s still a pretty damn useful thing.
I mean, we’d all love worm killing supermen like Roy Halladay occupying every spot in the rotation, but the truth is LAIE’s are useful, FB tendencies or no.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions
True enough
I’d say he was more of a Back of the rotation guy in the mold of Harrison.
His strand rate is pushing 85%, that’s gonna regress, and his K:BB is 2:1, with neither number being where you’d like it to be. To me, he’s a pitcher that’s not great at anything, and that’s a back of the rotation guy to me.
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I like him a shit-ton better than Harrison.
But then again I’ve never liked Harrison at all.
Sure, I enjoyed that nice little run he had there for a while, but I never understood it and I never thought it’d last.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
He's also 3 years older than Harrison
I think given 3 years, Matty ice stands a good chance of being JA Happ-esque.
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I think he'll more likely be a LOOGY, and AAAA-type journeyman, or be out of baseball entirely in 3 years.
But I’ve been wrong about dudes before and believe when I say that I harbor no ill will against Harrison and would love it if you were proven right.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions
KLaw on Happ
Does not think so highly of him:
Happ = 5th starter in AL East. Below avg stuff, gd deception, gd command. The idea that he’s some key to the trade is a joke.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 27, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
He's not so high on Drabek, either.
Apostasy!
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by hightowersmith on Jul 27, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Injury
Isn’t the injury history that causes many people (perhaps KLaw as well) to sour on Drabek?
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 27, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Injury and repertoire
Law’s pretty outspoken on Drabek’s pitches being overrated.
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by hightowersmith on Jul 27, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
So
am I the only one who thinks that the Cardinals completely blew up the whole trade scape by giving up the likes of Perez/Todd for Mark DeRosa and Brett Walrus for Matt Holliday?
Before this, guys like McLouth were getting a grab bag of ML guys and prospects and now it seems that every GM in the business wants the moon for their guys.
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You're probably right about that.
The D-Ro deal was horrible.
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And Chris Perez
yeah. The Cardinals are going for it all!
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Well, the McLouth deal was an aberration, imo.
Pittsburg is pretty clueless.
Their entire upper management team should be killed and their remains should be scatter all over some hair Ukranian dude’s penis.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions
*hairy
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions
What about the first
Matt Holliday trade or the Scott Hairston trade? Or the Jake Peavy deal that was rejected? It just seems like the price for everything went up after that DeRosa deal.
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Peavy is a super-high risk guy with a full no-trade clause and gigantic contract.
I don’t think you look at that perspective package and draw any real conclusions about other deals.
THe Hairston deal was a steal for Mr. Beane and by far the best deal of the season, imo.
I don’t see what’s so bad about the Dero deal.
He was the best 3b on the market and at worst St. Loius knows they can offer him arb and get back some picks for him this Winter.
Holliday’s the same. Really good player who can help you now and bring back picks over the Winter. Wallace is a really nice prospect, but he had no place in St. Loius and he’s not a super-elite guy to me. Package seemed eerily comparable to what the Brewers, right down to the very nice but not super elite hitter without a defensive position with his current NL team as the centerpiece.
I think it’s the trading deadline.
Some deals are good value and some aren’t.
That’s the way it goes every year it seems.
I don’t think you can say St. Louis blew it by waiting too long.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Also depends on how well
they restock with the draft.
Those two trades was just a complete gutting. Perez, Todd, Wallace, Mortensen. Rasmus and Motte both made the graduation to the big leagues, so I guess that’s a plus, but Motte’s 97mph straight fastball doesn’t look so good right now.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
I thought it was a buyers market
until the St. Loius deal. They gave up too much for Holliday.
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Well, the Rangers can't give up depth in all areas of their system.
They could give up top pitching prospects and middling hitting prospects or vice versa but not both.
By asking for players that close to impacting the ML club, they are asking for quite a bit more than Haren or Teixeira brought back. In those cases, there was at most one guy that was ML-ready (the A’s rushed a couple of guys) and the rest were a year or more away. I think two ML-ready impact guys is quite a bit to ask of any team in this day and age of reliance on cheap, productive young players.
Holland+Beavan+Perez+Moreland. I could support that as a core. The Rangers just aren’t in a position to gut their high-end hitting prospects. The Rangers would be basically gutting the system of their high-end LHP prospects (except Kiker). But, with Purke coming in and Edwin Escobar and Robbie Ross showing promise, the Rangers are already on their way to rebuilding depth in that area.
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wtf again?
youre going to give them 2 TORP lefties…are you fuckin serious…so in 2011 and 2012 are we at the bottom of the AL again…yippee
and then Beavan is a very nice looking pitcher as well…cmon
we absolutely cannot trade more than one of Feliz, Smoak, Holland, and Perez
i'd do the deal
Holland is great and all but he wont be roy halladay. Smoak is good but theres always options at first and we have chris davis. beavan and borbon wont hurt at all
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Smoak is good but theres always options at first
Explain the pile of shit we threw out there in the first half last season then.
and we have chris davis.
Yay, another high K/low contact dude who never walks! Just what this offense needs!
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Here is a cold chill
Remember Scheurholz trading Atlanta’s future for Tex?
What is the value of the Rangers if we win the AL with Halladay or win the whole thing? Do you think Hicks benefits now enough under that scenario to make one of these mortgage-the-future trades worth it?
How fun would another decade be like the 80s, watching Terrell and Darling pitch for other teams, only now with Holland and Feliz?
Well
to be fair, Atlanta still had a top 10 system a year after they traded Feliz, Andrus, etc. I still think we’d have enough to get through after a trade, but I’d prob not do it.
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I think its just
talk show fodder.
I don’t think Halladay gets dealt at all, in fact, I think its going to be a fairly boring trade period. Maybe next offseason or midseason.
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Garko - 10 HBP
Our entire team has 22. Just thought that was funny.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Yeah, Garko averages 21 HBP's per 162 games, according to BR's calculations.
In fact, I seem to recall hearing about his penchant for letting things bounce off of him being discussed ad nausem when we’ve played the Indians in the past. I guess it makes him gritty.
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Yeah
He still wearing that clunky elbow guard?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Far as I know
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I hate that thing
If i was in charge, id institute a rule that any player that wears that and gets hit on it doesnt get a free base
that thing is a joke
Sounds like Biggio
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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 27, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
hmm...so
why isn’t the media railing against JP for asking so much in trades?
they did go out of their way to blast JD at every chance…especially ESPN.
usa
because the blue jays are in the al east
and the al east is awesome because it has the yankees and red sox
This is just part of the poker game.....
Halladay will be traded.
Jays ask for the moon….teams balk..
other teams counter with only a slice of the moon…..jays bal.
Somebody will meet them in the middle.
I still say he goes for a Blue chipper, solid prospect, and a lottery tick.
From us it would probably be Smoak, Hunter, Font…or….Feliz, Borbon, Boscan
by death of the cool on Jul 27, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions
How much of an improvement would Garko be over Jones?
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Garko is more of a right-handed half of a platoon with Blalock at first than full-time DH
He’s not particularly great vs. RHP’s, so that unfortunately means Jones would still be the full-time DH.
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Garko isn't an impact player, these people are nuts
by oc on Jul 27, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a better fit as a platoon partner for Hank
than anyone we currently have on the roster.
I doubt he’d cost that much anyway. I don’t see the downside….
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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 27, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah....
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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 27, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed.
I wouldn’t give up more than Mendoza or Arias for him.
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 27, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
The Rangers are going nowhere with this offense
So to trade away several of your best prospects for a guy who pitches every 5 days makes no sense to me when the real problem on this team is offense, not pitching (never thought i would say that)
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Adrian Gonzalez
Did anyone hear that rumor – I think it was on Baseball Tonight or maybe during the game last night that the Red Sox are trying to trade for Adrian Gonzalez?
Seems unlikely to me since they just traded for LaRoche and why would San Diego do that unless they got completely blown away with talent in return – he’s practically the only legitimate major leage player they in their lineup right now
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Because they're a truly terrible team on all levels right now.
They’re not going to have a shot in hell at winning this year or next, and their farm system is bereft of any sort of elite talent.
Trading their only elite major league talent and the apex of his value could restock the system with 3 or 4 usefu pieces and get the rebuilding under way.
A package like Buchholz, Bard, Anderson and Pimentel for A-Gon probably does the Padres a ton of good long term.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 27, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Garko not on the table anymore
Take Garko out of the picture, whether you thought it was going to be a good or bad deal for the Rangers…
He was just traded to San Fran Giants…
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