Tuesday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 9:54 AM CDT
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13 games over, the high water mark since the end of the 2004 season, and 2.5 games back of Anaheim.
Tommy Hunter continues to impress...obviously, he isn't a 2.00 ERA pitcher, but he has a FIP of 3.98 and an xFIP of 4.76, and I'll take that any day from a late sandwich pick from 2007.
Hunter's first appearance in the majors this year, he was activated for game 1 of a doubleheader and optioned before game 2 started, so, as he told Jeff Wilson yesterday, his goal this latest time he came up was to be here long enough to unpack his bags. He's done that and a whole lot more.
Josh Hamilton has been moved down in the order to try to help him relax and get back on track.
Richard Durrett talks about the possibility of adding Adam Dunn. Dunn is owed $12 million next year, would probably be limited to DH here in Texas, is a lefty, and is probably going to be expensive in terms of prospects.
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Not that im questioning moving down
Hamilton but why does he get moved down while Kinsler continues to hit leadoff?
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Kinsler moves this year
If 16 for your last 102 doesn’t get you moved out of the leadoff spot, then I don’t know what does. He popped up a friggin bunt!
by ScratchHorn on Jul 28, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wut?
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash looks like David Cross
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Ryin A on Jul 28, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect that...
…he figures Hamilton is more likely to get positive results from the move than Kinsler. And you probably aren’t going to drop them both down to the bottom third.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not
talking about moving both of them down to the bottom third of the lineup. I would merely suggest move Kinsler to more of a power position such as 3,4, or 5. I know Kinsler is scuffling a bit this yr but he still has an OPS+ of 105. In this lineup that is not bottow 3rd material.
Didnt mean to insinuate moving both to the bottom third.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Murphy leading off (I also advocate Andrus, because I think he can focus on getting that OBP up more if told to, but many don’t agree with that), with Young still in 2nd, then Kinsler to 3rd, Hamilton 4th, Cruz 5th, etc.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect that
he’s not a real smart man riding such an ice cold leadoff man who has such a low OBP for the season.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Watch out
Texas_Dawg will swoop in and label you a racist for such radical statements…
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe he'll recognize that what dan said is smart and valid
as opposed to your blanket criticism of washington that usually reveals your age and experience with baseball
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really doubt it.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
such venom
did I miss a brawl between you two recently?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
but at some point you lose the respect of the rest of your players when you’re so obviously afraid of doing something about a guy who’s killing the team.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a real good point
Let’s face it, Kinsler has been an absolute dogshit leadoff hitter this year (.242 Avg, .314 OBP), especially lately (.151 avg and .198OPB in July). There is absolutely no reason he should get the most ABs on this team until his bat shows some signs of life.
A Murphy/Andrus platoon would be much more effective at the top. Move Kinsler to 5th or 6th.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
andrus?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.398 OBP vs LHP
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus hitting leadoff v LH's probably
wouldn’t be a terrible experiment.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Young had to move for HIM?!
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by Maximilian on Jul 28, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean
what a bleeping* disaster.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Against lefties,
sure. He’s almost got a 400 OBP against them, and Murphy can’t hit lefties to save his life.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are going to hit Andrus leadoof
you might as well keep Kinsler there. Ian kills lefties and struggles against RHP.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the point of moving Ian is getting him into a more natural slot, period.
for now, and certainly for the future, when Borbon/Andrus are leading off for good.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be on board
with a Murhpy/andrus platoon at the top of the lineup
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as the team keeps winning
Kinsler will be leading off. But, what happens in Sept when Borbon gets called up?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 28, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
most likely
he’ll be a crappy leadoff hitter due to a mediocre OBP in the bigs.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or because everybody has already labeled him a bust
before we even drafted him
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is
Borbon actually has to find a way to influence Wash to like him like he does Byrd to actually play and not sit on the bench
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
by Smoak Some on Jul 28, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay Debbie Downer
Borbon deserves some credit for seeing the split between his BA and OBP go from 41 points last season to 63 this year, as his walk rate has almost doubled.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
still feel like the team is done?
Or would you like to change that opinion two days later?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 28, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NO!
the day after adam changed his mind on andruw jones, he started sucking
Adam can continue to hate and we can continue to hate on adam. Does anybody have a problem with the way things are now?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no.
keep the hate.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never really felt like we where "done"
But I did kinda feel like we where spinning our wheels. Still kinda do, although the Angels blowing that game last night helped ease that feeling a tad.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was awesome.
I saw it was 3-2 Angels and just gave up, and before I went to sleep saw the 4 run top of the 9th and about pissed my pants
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was a momentary lapse of reason for Adam.
Either that or he was being overly protective of JD.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only you could believe...
…that saying that a team was out of the playoff hunt is a way of protecting the GM.
But you are the same person who thought me linking Hodson’s blog was a shot at you, so…
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
that was pretty funny (linking the blog). Can anybody possibly have a bigger head?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By telling the masses the team is out of the playoff hunt
Little Boy Donuts gets carte blanche to do nothing but tell everybody that Baseball America still says the Texas Rangers have the number one minor league system.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They probably won't have the #1 farm system this offseason
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll be in the discussion, imo.
Assuming they sign S&P and if Feliz and Smoak don’t get enough PT down the stretch to qualify.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is our competition for that #1 spot?
by rangerjake on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's system got better after the Holliday trade.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 28, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also lost Anderson, Cahill and others.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 28, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The As
won’t be in the #1 discussion. They’ll be top 10, probably top 5, but not top overall.
The Marlins will be in the discussion, with Mike Stanton breaking out in such a huge way.
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by FirebatM3 on Jul 28, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marlins, Rays, Red Sox, Giants, maybe the Nats assuming Stras signs and depending on just how insane you think he is. .
The O’s and Phills both have a lot of talent at the top.
I don’t really follow it closely enough in season to have an an exact read on where everyone is outside of their top guys.
But we’re definitely in the discussion for #1 right now, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The phillies
if they dont trade for Halladay. The Braves may deserve a mention as well but of course they lose Hanson to “graduation”. I dont think we will be the no. 1 system but i would be extremely surprised if we fell out of the top 5.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Schafer struggling
really, the Braves have Heyward and Freeman and a lot of question marks.
I think we’ll be #3, with the Giants and Marlins above us and the Rays, Red Sox just below us.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
by FirebatM3 on Jul 28, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like the Red Sox system.
I might take it over ours, but it’d be tough. I’m biased as hell, but I think we win out with our high end guys.
The Indians have some solid top end talent (I love Laporta and Santana) and if they end up dealing Lee and Martinez they could really skyrocket up the rankings.
I have a feeling the deadline is going to change some things if a few of the big guys get dealt.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little blurb about Perez
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/7/28/966188/hit-and-run-july-28-2009
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see that
May even have us over the Marlins. Just matters whether BA keeps valuing Stanton over Smoak like they did at mid-season. Smoak’s struggles at AAA (although i believe they are only short term) arent helping.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that
right now the Giants and Marlins would probably be ahead of them. I could see Boston ahead of them as well, though, possibly depending on how things sort out with the elite players in the systems down the stretch, and whether Texas signs Purke (probably won’t sign Scheppers in time).
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's something really disturbing about the Red Sox having such a good farm system.
Whatever happened to selling the farm to build the Major League club like the Yankees do.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 28, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won't have enough position prospects
to be #1, though.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Scheppers may not be signed in time, just technically speaking. They don’t include unsigned draft picks in the equation.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are they officially waiving the deadline for Scheppers like they do with senior sign guys (a la the M's and Josh Fields)?
I’ve heard this is probably the case but if it’s ever been confirmed I missed it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was confirmed sometime last week I believe on the DMN blog
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 28, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the DMN post
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/07/some-thoughts-from-gm-jon-daniels.html#comments
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 28, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no
The commisioner’s office confirmed that, but for players who’s played in independent league, not seniors.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
prospects aren’t a sure thing?
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not really that they've had flameouts
They might drop because they’ve graduated guys like Holland, Elvis, Teagarden, Hunter, and Davis.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 28, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True but people have also regressed.
See: Michael Main, Neil Ramirez, Max Ramirez.
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed. We have had some setbacks. But Perez has broken out like a mother. Borbon and Kiker have taken nice step forward, imo.
And assuming we sign ’em we added to elite top 100 prospects in Purke and Scheppers.
We still have a very strong system which matter more to me than if a team or two has passed us in the eyes of pundits.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Font
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Wilmer has been a fantastic story this year.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Font is in the process of taking a step foward.
Skies the limit there
by tyd3311 on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed we'll be solid
but we shouldn’t covet our prospects too much. Some of them should be traded for ML quality players.
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps.
I’m not in the “Hold on to everyone!” mold of fan at all, but I don’t want to trade prospects just for the sake of not holding holding on to everyone, if that makes any sense.
If we have a chance to add a piece that will really help us, I have no problem dipping into our system to make that happen.
But questions abound.
Which guys are dealable and which ones aren’t?
Is now the time to make that move?
Is that guy out there right now, and would the price be at all reasonable even if he is?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Texas is hitting at last year's pace
we are title contenders…11th this year in runs scored, last year 1st.
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Texas is hitting at last year's pace
the Rangers are in first place by a dozen right now. Their pitching has improved at least that much, both starters and relievers.
by Mark from OC on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. But what does that mean in the context of this conversation?
You’re saying we should go out and get a bat?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying it's hard to figure out where exactly
we are. If the offense picks up, wouldn’t Roy Halladay be the one piece we need to get us into the pennant discussion?
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you got it exactly with that first comment.
I mean, to expect us to suddenly start hitting like it’s ‘08 again is a little silly at this point, but to expect some improvement over the next two months wouldn’t be all that crazy. There’s some real talent here.
But given all of the uncertainty around the team right now, I’d be very hesitant to sell off a number of high-ceiling near major league ready talent for a guy like Doc or Lee, both of whom I super-duper love.
I dunno.
I guess I just think that when there’s as much uncertainty about a club as there is with this one, both performance-wise and in terms of our 2/3 year financial picture, we would probably be best served steering clear of doing anything major at this point in time.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so after reading a ton of fangraphs and sites of that nature
apparently I am way undervaluing the value of prospects. I feel like I need to look into their calculations but, for instance, they say that the holliday deal was horribly lopsided and I kind of agreed, initially. But their numbers are ridiculous. I feel like they would think one good and mid level prospect with some filler was just compensation for halladay.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the Holliday deal was about right.
I think the A’s were able to get a bit of a nice deal just cause the key guy in the deal from the Card’s side didn’t have a long term place on the big club and so was kind of burning a hole in their pocket.
But overall I think it was about right.
Holliday is really good and really good players cost you at the deadline.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they had holliday's value at 8M
and wallace’s value at 25M
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it may indeed turn out that way.
But that ignores the value of having production NOW.
The Cardinals aren’t making this trade for the next 4-7 years.
The A’s are.
The A’s get the much greater chance for production over the next 4-7 years, but the Cardinals get present production and that’s worth a ton to certain teams at certain points.
That’s how these deals work.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Which guys are dealable and which ones aren’t?"
If a team had eyes for Salty, would you deal him?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody can be had for the right price
I’m more prone to want to trade prospects. I wanted to trade Salty and Hurley and JMJ for Greinke….most didn’t.
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on what that means, yes, I'd be open to dealing him in the right deal.
But I’m not giving him away.
I love what he’s done in terms of his defensive game, and I think there’s quite a bit of potential in his bat despite the obvious down year.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mos Def
and I don’t want Teagarden hitting in the everday lineup, personally
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not? it would be an upgrade
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tricer thinks one really good month sandwiched in between a year of sucking in the minors and a half a season of sucking as a backup makes Tea a good hitter.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden has hit, when given an opportunity
Salty hasn’t, so I feel Teagarden should get more opportunities. Is that hard for you to understand?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Teagarden should get more opportunities too.
But the guy hasn’t hit since 2007 in AA, save for his 15 minutes as a September Superstar last year.
I don’t think you can say he’s a sure uprgade.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
102 for his career
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohh puke
So we need to throw out the small sample when he was raking and only consider the small sample when he has struggled as a backup?
Why?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bc he hadn't hit well in the minors or spring training
and he sucked in some kind of UT scrimmage I saw him in this summer as well
Even last year he had a 19:5 K:BB ratio
Hopefully his bat turns around and shows promise of last season at some point, but I have more confidence with Salty at bat than teagarden, personally
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hadn't hit well in the minors?
heh, okay if an .899 OPS isn’t hitting well, then I guess we should all just trust your eyewitness scouting report from a alumni scrimmage.
I think there is a decent chance that Teagarden is a better ML catcher than Salty, and I think he deserves more of an opportunity. I’ll leave you with that.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the original centerpiece to the Tex Trade
appears to be a spare.
Teagarden struggles because he’s a kid who is playing twice every 10 games.
Things are working and the team is winning so I don’t see any changes but I think Teagarden should be playing more.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's playing more often now
Lets see if Wash sticks with playing him more and if Teagarden decides to take advantage of it.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we might have that really strong system. . .
. . . behind a team already talented enough to maybe approach or even surpass 90 wins.
That’s really just hititng me how awesome that is.
by philkid3 on Jul 28, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's your reasoning for that?
I thought we had a tremendous draft and we haven’t lost anybody, only graduated Holland so far…
is it from the dropoff in production from the top names – Main, Smoak (in AAA)?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm and Andrus
forgot that one tiny graduate
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's not ready for The Show, so it doesn't count.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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by Maximilian on Jul 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, according to the "bleeping disaster" guy
the Rangers should have signed Orlando Cabrera to a one year contract and leave Elvis at AAA.
by Redcaps on Jul 28, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the fork is still in them...
…it is just dangling now, though, as compared to being all the way in.
To paraphrase the Wolf, though, let’s see what happens the next couple of days before we start fellating each other.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no fork!
2.5 back with 65 games left to play, 10 of which are against the Angels. We’re not even to the trading deadline yet, lots of stuff yet to be decided. Let’s not knee-jerk either way just yet.
by Topgun22 on Jul 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Why don’t you have some sunflower seeds, Josey, and KMA. - LSJ
by JimBonnick84 on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a Jekyll-and-Hyde Ranger fan sometimes
I try hard to be an optimist. But history brings out the realist.
by oc on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
History, and when it comes to this season
Watching this offense hit flail away.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
flail fail away
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by willamos2 on Jul 28, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
6 of the last 12 are head to head.
As long as we are reasonably close going into that stretch, there is a real chance. There is about 40% of the season left to be played. Way too early to be giving up on playoff hopes for a team 10+ games over .500.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ajm
Oh, so you really like Hodson? Okay…
LOL!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody's fellating
just pretty pissed at the leader of this community giving up when there’s what, 63 games left?
I’d say we have to be within 3 games with 20 left before I start really getting concerned. But if we’d have fallen further from 4.5 it could’ve gotten pretty muggy around here
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still have 10 games against LAA, which we win at least 6 maybe 7.
Because good pitching (fielding) beats good hitting, which puts us about even with them. I still like our chances.
by diamond_dave on Jul 28, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trivia Question O' The Day (No Googling or looking it up):
Name the five managers who have managed both the AL and NL in All-Star Game.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The No Googling or looking up...
…one would think would go without saying on these sorts of things, but apparently not.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that guy should be banned
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah.
But with the influx of new blood, I’d rather not take any chances.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sparky Anderson
Tony LaRussa
Jim Leyland
Whitey Herzog
Jimmy Williams
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
disgregard Williams
I know that is wrong…
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other 4 are definitely right
and I feel like the 5th is someone easy that I’m overlooking
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
…he’s only got three right from that original list.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome question by the way
This is true baseball trivia. Not a “do you know your current statistics” but a true “do you know baseball” question. I like it.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were in order of decreasing confidence
I could be wrong about Herzog, but I don’t think so.
Jack McKeon flashed into my mind as well.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Torre ever made the WS as manager of the Cards
Did Billy Martin ever on one of his forays away from the Yankees?
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both Torre and Martin are incorrect.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're done
we have all five
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
And I’ve already said too much. I’m going to shut up until someone gets the correct full list.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Yogi?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Lou
Sparky Anderson
Tony LaRussa
Jim Leyland
Lou Pinella
Dick Williams
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why I said Dusty. Dusty hasn't coached an AL team...
by oc on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we now have one reason the NL hasn't won the ASG in many years...
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That means either Williams or Pinella is right
I know Pinella won with Cincy, but I can’t remember if he ever won with his many AL clubs.
I’m more confident about Dick Williams.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams won League titles with the Bosox
A’s and Padres so he must have managed the AS Game unless he was fired before the ’85 game.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is Williams
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Terry Francona
Tony LaRussa
Sparky Anderson
Jim Leyland
Dick Williams
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got it
LaRussa
Anderson
Leyland
D. Williams
Berra
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is just one guy left!
And I’ve gotten 4 of the 5 – I must get #5!
Is it someone weird like Bobby Cox?
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Francona
sucked it in the NL with the Phils.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, Part II
LaRussa
Anderson
Leyland
Williams
Bobby Cox
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seconded this guess
sadly one minute late.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Frank Robinson one?
LaRussa
Anderson
Leyland
Williams
Robinson
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casey Stengel
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Jul 28, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I grow prouder of this trivia question by the minute.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a damn good trivia question
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the five in the clubhouse
are Leyland, LaRussa, Whitey, Anderson and Williams and there’s one more?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whitey isn't one of them
At least that is what we’re thinking. 3 of my original 5 were right – I presume Anderson, Leyland and LaRussa
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just named five.
And not all of them are correct.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have all 5 been named somewhere in this thread
if the answer is yes, the trivia question isn’t all that great. if you don’t answer, the trivia question isn’t all that great
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
All five have not been named somewhere in this thread.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alvin Dark
Managed 74 A’s and 62 Giants
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
POW POW.
We have a winner.
Jim Leyland
Tony LaRussa
Sparky Anderson
Dick Williams
Al Dark
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasssup!??!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great how you remember the exact years, much better memory than me
by Mark from OC on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
interesting how you remembers that
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting.
Especially after naming a bunch of other guys first.
by brettgardner on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew Williams got fired or quit after '73
and that it was somebody who was off the radar.
I wonder what happened in the ’65 AS Game when Keane left the Cards to go manage the Yankees (both teams played in the ’64 WS)?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After '64...
Johnny Keane went from STL to NYY, and Yogi Berra went from NYY to NYM.
Philadelphia and Cincy tied for second in the NL, but Fred Hutchinson died in the offseason after ’64.
So, Gene Mauch (Philly) and Al Lopez (CWS, who finished second in the AL in ’64), managed the 1965 All-Star Game.
And yes, I absolutely Googled that.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad it got googled
The guessing was clogging up the thread and nobody was getting Alvin freaking Dark.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I couldn’t care less about the answer, but it just seems that cheating on something like this says a lot about a person.
by brettgardner on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheating?
As God is my witness, I didn’t Google anything.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
buckyb
The ’70’s were my wheelhouse…It’s nothing to be really proud of but I can name several members of teams that played in the ’70’s with close to Rain Man accuracy.
‘74 A’s – Managed by Alvin Dark
C – Fosse or Duncan
1B – Tenace
2B – DGreen (who killed the Dodgers in that WS with his defense)
SS – Campy
3B – Bando
LF – Rudi
CF- North
RF – Reggie Jax
DH – ?
Charlie F used to run a lot of DH’s so I can’t remember which one he used that year, possibly Billy Williams or Felipe/Jesus Alou. Claudell Washington also came up that year as a 20 year old and saw a lot of pt as well.
He did have Herb Washington as a pinch runner.
Pitching….Holtzman, Blue, Hunter were his big 3 starters but can’t rememeber who else.
In the bully he was rolling with Fingers, Knowles, Lindblad and possibly Horacio Pina.
As God as is my witness and on the heads of everybody I hold true to me, I didn’t look up anything I wrote above.
It’s also nothing to be overly proud of knowing but it’s just there.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was born in 86, so consider me impressed
my comment was in jest
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bucky
It’s truly wasted space in my mind but I also used to listen to baseball games for about 5-6 hours per night when I was growing up in LA (Dodgers & Angels) and I’d study baseball cards and read books.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
The ’70’s were my wheelhouse
Maybe he really is Grandpa Urine.
by Anonymous New Guy on Jul 28, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I were God
I wouldn’t hang out in a Tuesday a.m. thread just to be your witness. I’d probably be in the CPP for a little while and then over to the Fake Teams blog for advice on my upcoming fantasy draft…
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Josey seems to know random things
So I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt…
But he still only was responsible for 20% of the guesses
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that he knew it
If he would drop some of his hobby horses and me against the world persona, he has some good points and knowledge. (Not all, but some)
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call google
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he absolutely googled that shit
no way a dumbass like him pulls that out of his ass.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew this because Dark managed the '74 A's (which was in my memory wheelhouse) and because I'm a Dodgers
fan I know waaaaaaaaay too much about the SFO Giants (our biggest rival back in the day).
Before 2002, they went to one World Series (1962) and I thought but wasn’t sure that Dark was their manager. Wanna say there were some racial allegations v. Dark or he may have been God Squadder (or perhaps both) but not sure.
Off the top of my head – ’62 Giants …
C – Tom Haller (later became a Dodger)
1B – McCovey or Cepeda
2B-
SS -
3B – Jim Davenport
LF – Felipe Alou (Jesus & Manny were also on team)
CF – Mays
RF – McCovey/Cepeda (don’t remember how they used them)
Rolled with Gaylord Perry & Juan Marichal as their 1 & 2 starters.
Great pennant race with the Dodgers that year. Dodgers, with Maury Wills stealing 104 bases & Tommy Davis knocking in 153 (?) RBI gacked at the end and there was huge controversy with Alston/Durocher. Young kid named Koufax (finally) showed a lot of promise that year.
Yankees won Game 7 of World Series 1-0 at Candlestick when McCovey hit a bullet caught by Bobby Richardson with Willie Mays stranded at 3B.
Again, I didn’t look up a thing….but most of that season was played before I was born. It’s just baseball minutae rolling around my mind so yes, I knew Alvin Dark was their manager.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
this is officially the best baseball question I’ve heard in at least the last 5 years
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure the only four we have
are Anderson, Leyland, LaRussa, and Williams.
There is a 5th who has not been mentioned
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJohnson & Lou
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whitey didn't do it
KC won the AL with Howser.
What about Johnny Keane?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton, to me, looks far more lost at the plate
than Kinsler.
Discussing hitting technique is one of the quickest ways to give me tired head but from a layman’s pov without looking at any video, Josh seems to be dropping his hands during the pitcher’s motion and he can’t catch up. As a hitter you want to go from Point A to Point B in one quick motion and Josh’s hands seem to be all fouled up. I’m going to watch for it again tonight.
I think we need to consider moving DMurphy up to lead-off.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to consider moving DMurphy up to lead-off.
How proficient is he in stealing bases?
by troysboys on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not great
but to me he seems to be a solid baserunner.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
Got to get on base for that to be an issue, something Kinsler hasn’t done much of lately…
by N41D on Jul 28, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn
Dunn’s 2009 splits:
vs. RHP: .283/.433/.609 (298 PAs)
vs. LHP; .268/.339/.438 (124 PAs)
Blalock’s 2009:
vs. LHP: .200/.210/.400 (81 PAs)
vs. RHP: .274/.325/.553 (240 PAs)
If only they could platoon at DH.
by FuturePants on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think Dunn will cost a lot?
Washington has got to be kicking itself for signing him for that much money. They don’t want Dunn on that team – he’s a butcher in the field – an average guy in the stands could play left better than Dunn plays. He needs to be a DH somewhere.
That said, I think Washington would trade Dunn for a couple of serviceable players who could step into the team right now. Maybe something like Davis + Vallejo/Lemon + Boscan
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and they would pay?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't want Dunn on that team?
They spent the whole offseason going after him pretty hard. I don’t know that they’ve changed their mind on him so quickly.
And I know you’re chomping at the bit to get Davis out of here, but I wouldn’t trade Davis for him.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither would I.
I doubt Davis will put up better numbers than Dunn next year, but he’ll be WAY cheaper plus he has defensive value.
Frankly I don’t want to commit 12mm or whatever to Dunn for next season.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i give it 50-50 (putting up better numbers)
well – depends on if we are using a OBP heavy metric I guess
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I make that deal
I probably wouldn’t. I don’t think Davis is anywhere near a 50/50 shot to put up Dunn-like numbers, but as is pointed out, Davis can actually field. But really it is the money. Davis for Dunn straight up, not $$ difference? I take Dunn
But I don’t think that package is that big, and I think that is something that Washington would take. Yeah they wanted Dunn before the season, but he really hasn’t worked out for them the way they wanted…
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Dunn and Davis in the abstract, I take Dunn as well.
But money matters a shit ton.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about contract status?
You have Dunn thru 2010, then he’s a free agent.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, like I said: I wouldn't do Davis for Dunn straight up.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They really really like Dunn there
Obviously I think they’d move him if the right deal came along — but I think they’d have to be overwhelmed.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 28, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that's too much for a platoon player
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been on Willy's nuts for awhile now
But is Washington plans on holding people hostage for him, he may not be an option (especially after his “grand” performance yesterday.
I’m starting to wonder if COL would consider surrenduring Seth Smith. Can’t really hit lefties, but holy on base skills, batman.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, thanks.
I’ve long been in lust for Josh Willingham, but the price is gonna be prohibitive, imo.
He’s not gonna be a bargain at all.
Think Kiker + Teagarden or something in that vein.
No thank you.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to have willingham as well
but not going higher than a B Level prospect for him
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the trade deadline and lots of people are looking for productive bats right now.
Willingham is going to cost more than you’d probably think at first blush, especially since he’s heating up this close to the finish line.
I’d do The Newberg’s deal in a heartbeat, but I think the ultimate price on Willingham is gonna be a good deal more than that.
I wouldn’t deal Kiker straight up for him I don’t think, and my guess is if you offered Kiker for him straight up you’d get turned down.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is my biggest concern, I think
The price, especially after last night, is going to be way too high for a guy who is having a career year. I still think he would bea big jolt for this offense though
by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming we cut Andruw Jones to make room for him on the 25?
Just how big of an upgrade is that, really?
Andruw can be frustrating at times, but he also is showing genuine RH power and has an .866 OPS and a 14% BB rate.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willingham...
And according to AJM, we would just DFA him next year anyway. Because, y’know $5M is too much to pay for a guy coming off of a year with a .975 OPS and a career .850 OPS
by Topgun22 on Jul 28, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Non-tender
A team with a small market budget and Smoak and Davis both ML ready can’t afford to have a $5-6 million bench player.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he continues to play like he has been
he won’t be a bench player. If he can actually do so is the question.
by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he still is putting up a +400 OBP and 950 + OPS
LF, 1b, DH. That is a big IF of course, but well all saw what Milton Bradley did for this offense last year. He could provide the same.
by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is very little reason...
…to believe he’s going to do that.
If you keep him around, you pretty much have to trade Davis, Smoak, or Cruz this offseason.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I truly believe
either Smoak or Davis will be gone within the next 3 years as part of some kind of trade package
by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that we should proceed as
though CDavis will be ML ready in 2010 just yet.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you don't
Because that would make Hank F. Blalock and his 512 post-ASB OPS superfluous.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So..
What if the Rangers could do something like Davis + Beavan for Cain this offseason and have Smoak and Willingham for 1st/DH? Then does it makes sense to pay $5M for Willingham’s approx .900 OPS?
And I don’t necessarily mean that deal in particular, just meant one of Davis/Smoak is gone for a controllable young arm
by Topgun22 on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing
The Rangers have quite a few controllable young arms. I’m not convinced they are going to rush out there and move part of their 1B surplus to get another one.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Count me as most interested
to see what kind of contract Hank F gets this off-season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you still sticking with
3/$30M?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 28, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno
Let’s see how 2009 plays out and if Hank F stays healthy.
He does play a pretty nice 1B and if a 29 year old lefty hits free agency in a decent economy after putting up 30-35 bombs with an .850+ OPS…could be interesting.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually getting a little excited that he's playing his way into the territory where we can offer him arb and expect him not to take it.
Comp pick here we come, baby!
Yeeee-Owwwwwww!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not projecting as a type B yet
so…who cares
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but I think he will by the end of the season.
But even if we go ahead and assume he is a B by the end of the year, I don’t know if I’d have big enough man-balls to offer him arb.
I have no idea how the market’s going to play out this Winter.
My guess is he’s gonna want a 3-4 year deal and think he’s worth it, but I dunno… man, that’d really screw up our financial picture next year if he accepted and ended up getting 7-9 million.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
site isn't loading for me but
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17675287/Rankings-072509
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Padilla is type A
does that mean anything for us?
a) He has an option, so I don’t even know if we can offer him arb
b) The Rangers would not risk him accepting it, I’d have to think
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, no way we offer him arb.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely can't afford a 5-6 million dollar player
That’s why we’re getting killed right now because we’re paying Byrd 3.8 million.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 28, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His OPS of 1.007 is looking pretty good right now
by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he a 1007 OPS guy the rest of the way, though?
Or is he the 850 OPS guy he’s been throughout his career?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if its somewhere in the middle
It’s better than the rest of the team
by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
league change?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do anything to change up our offense
We need to try to pull a Billy Martin…anything to get these guys out of their funk:
“Sometimes he would literally draw a lineup out of a hat if the team was struggling to win such as on April 21, 1977 with the Yankees and August 13, 1972 with the Tigers in the first game of a doubleheader, in the year before the introduction of the designated hitter.”
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember hearing/reading about Martin doing that
but the only problem with that and a lot of other changes is that we’re still winning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SO now Halo Heaven thinks that they're going to get Cliff Lee for Kendrick?
went as far as to say that Kendrick would likely be in an Indians jersey tonight?
by texasraider on Jul 28, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be like us getting Halladay for Davis
Ain’t happening.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There will obviously be a prosepct or two involved.
by tyd3311 on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Indians have Cabrera
I’d be shocked if they had any interest in Kendrick.
by LiamP on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Assdrubal has been playing short
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also have Valbuena.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know
he’s only 24 though.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley
Since the Cubs realized they messed up and are willing to eat some if not most of his salary to make him dissapear, how would he fit back with Texas now?
OR
Did he burn the bridge back to the Rangers with the I wasn’t giving it my all comment?
by Mark from OC on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Won
2010: $9 million, 2011: $12 million
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watching Buster on ESPN...
He says the Cubs will eat some or most of his salary to send him to the Indians to be their DH
by Mark from OC on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Indians want him?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to ask Buster that
I have no idea
by Mark from OC on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton is exactly what Texas needs
a patient hitter who can get on base.
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would have to take most of his salary
And even then, I dont know.
by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHY!?!?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
b/c he is a pos who only cares about himself
by Horns130 on Jul 28, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he's a pos that protected Hamilton last year
and really made this offense go when he was in the games, which was a lot more often than not
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MIssed the TV broadcast last night
Just watched the highlight of the guy catching the foul ball with the baby and realized that I went to high school with the couple. Crazy catch.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 28, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was sitting like a section over
The baby wasnt happy
by eric03tx on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was classic
trumped my friend holding a beer in one hand and catching the ball in another
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Nadel is coming up on Norm's show
Would love to hear his opinions on what the Rangers need to do
by oc on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rockies could use an experienced lefty reliever, according to MLB.com.
Are we okay with getting rid of Eddie?
by tyd3311 on Jul 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could use a bag of corn nuts.
Kind of hungry this morning.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he has an immediate replacement at no cost
A.J. Murray
by Mark from OC on Jul 28, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I mean the Rangers
They aren’t trading Guardado if they are close to playoff contention
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which will likely be a contributing factor in our downfall.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather trade Eddie
but not trading him will not be our downfall
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did say "contributing factor"
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we going to find a way to get someone better than Mark Hamburger?
Despite the fact that Eddie is not as good as he was last year? If we can’t get someone significantly better, then it won’t contribute to our downfall, at all
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guardado has been lucky of late.
His BABIP is down to .262, and when that comes up, having him in the bullpen is gonna bite us in the ass sometime.
Bottom line I expect Guardado to implode down the stretch, a la Gagne, and I’d just like to be rid of him before it happens. I don’t care what he brings in return (which would be nothing, as he’s not worth anything).
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooo I misunderstood you
I thought you were referring to the potential return, I agree whole heartedly with you, in that case
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is...
Pirate Murray is untested in the majors. He comes in and blows 2-3 games in the stretch and you are talking serious problems. Eddie at least has experience.
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Jul 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really give a damn about experience.
Put your best players on the field, and let them do their thing. It’s not like Murray would be a setup guy or anything – all he’d need to be is a LOOGY, the one thing this bullpen doesn’t have.
Of course, this is Ron Washington’s bullpen we’re talking about, so I realize there would be a definite chance that Murray would wind up misused… but considering Guardado can and has been misused as well, it’s kind of a wash isn the Wash department.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you really that sure...
…Murray is better than Guardado?
Don’t you think that releasing Guardado would cause some waves in the clubhouse?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
And I don’t give a shit about the clubhouse. They’ll learn to survive without him.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if they dont
They dont need to be playing major league baseball. Its part of the sport. Trades happen. Players get cut and sent packing. If we have a bunch of babies that cant handle an old veteran who is past his day getting cut, then we have much bigger issues.
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jul 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reality is...
…than in any of the 30 clubhouses, releasing a popular player is going to cause waves.
Especially one who the players are going to look at and say, “Hey, he’s been doing his job this year,” and are going to view the move as one that makes the team worse, not better.
Then you are putting A.J. Murray in a bad situation in the clubhouse, and I don’t see that you’re really making any sort of upgrade.
At the risk of sounding like one of those “watch the games” people, this isn’t fantasy baseball or a sim league…there are personal/political repercussions to moves.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Especially if you read the late night interview EG had with Grilledcheese & DOD.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with every word of this.
Like it or not, it is a reality of team sports.
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Ryin A on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't that happen
with Delucci?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJM
Anti-Hank F shtick aside, do you think Blalock’s awakening in July gave the room good vibes?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What awakening?
Have you seen Hanks stats in July?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The awakening to how poor his OPS really is.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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by Maximilian on Jul 28, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people love AJ Murray so much?
I mean, if you can get something nice back for Eddie, then sure. But I don’t think Eddie → AJ Murray is necessarily a lateral (or positive) move. It’s a random move, which means a risky one.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nickname.
Pirate. that’s it.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd echo that question
and point out that Guardado has an extreme reverse split this year (lefties are hitting .385 against him). He isn’t a LOOGY and doesn’t need to be replaced with a lefty necessarily.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers?
Someone’s gotta go for Feliz. Probably want to keep the lefty, though?
by tyd3311 on Jul 28, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like we bring Guardado in to face a lefty
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Nippert, Mathis, and Eyre are the guys that go to make room for Francisco, Feliz, and a bench player
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nippert?
I’d cut Jennings.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 28, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gagree
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't really get rid of Nippert - he should be our long man
Eyre and Mathis I agree, but I think Mathis has looked fantastic, too.
Is it wrong that I want Jennings gone?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves are looking for a RP.
Any objections to shipping Jennings to the Brave and calling up Feliz?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 28, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are we ok with getting a pat on the back as compensation
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, im not expecting much.
except a Feliz in the ML bullpen.
by tyd3311 on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
250 Comments by 10:45am.
Ranger fans are awesome.
by jam0152 on Jul 28, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody obsesses over the Rangers.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya I've always been slightly offended by it.
Especially when I catch myself obsessing over the Rangers.
by jam0152 on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i find myself wanting to blog on here about everything
like watching ghostbusters on AMC
by kevinkinsler on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, about a third of that was over the trivia question nobody could figure out.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I was thinking LSB should poll its money and buy the Rangers
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like ask its' money a sampling of questions?
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Jul 28, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could
But the franchise would come to a screeching halt, because nobody here would agree on how to run it.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ebbsfleet United
is a soccer team that’s owned by its fans. They pooled their money via a website to buy the club and vote on its management, players, etc.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That idiot
that posted the “Won’t anyone beat the angels” Fanpost had an Ebbsfleet profile pic.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always wondered what that stupid logo was.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be awesome
and offer either 49% or 51% control to Nolan?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random Prediction:
Chris Davis is viewed as the best player on this team headed into ASB next season.
by cmkelly29 on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna take the under, cmkelly
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure a lot of us thought that going into this year...
And it would be true if we were talking about AAA
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Jul 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New Klaw / Jason podcast
Not sure of contents…just starting (talking Cape League now).
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Keith-Law/2009/07/28/Keith-Jason-episode-3
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Random prediction:
Kinsler’s BA drops to .230 by the end of this homestand, Hammy’s dips below .200
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Jul 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want someone to make a trade
bc I seriously have no gauge on this market, right now
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
People've been making trades.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just announced:
“In an attempt to increase revenue all Rangers home at-bats will be corporately sponsored with the sponsor’s name being announced prior to the player’s at-bat. The first agreement has already been reached as the rest of Ian Kinsler’s at-bats will now be brought to you by Planned Parenthood.”
Post.Fail.
by red shoe ranger on Jul 28, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is a joke
He’s saying that Kinsler’s ABs have been an abortion.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I know, my attempt at sarcasm was very very bad there.
by Mark from OC on Jul 28, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah well
My hopes for the unexpected are gone
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Foxsports has an article about the Indians trying to package both Lee and VMart
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jul 28, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hit enter too fast
Would you be willing to give up 2 of the 4 “studs” and then a few other solid prospects to get both of them here? There isnt too much salary for the rest of the year for those two and its nice to have the club options.
Hugh, whould ya, punk!??
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Jul 28, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
negative.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cost on that would be outrageous. That'd likely cost you three huge studs + a few nice prospects.
Feliz, Smoak, Perez, Font, Kiker and Beltre is probably close, but that might not even do it.
Those two guys are really good and their contracts make them crazy attractive.
You’d basically have to gut the whole system to get those two.
So, no, thanks.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 28, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 28, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Tom Hunter = nickname
do we have one for him yet? I was thinking of “hippo” because he’s rather large and you don’t want to f@ck with him…but it’s kinda lame and would probably piss him off even more. Which might be a good thing.
This kid’s pretty awesome. That 5th inning at bat vs. Miguel was pure ecstasy.
And once again, CJ is the balls. 1.01 ERA at home. WOW.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we discussed last night during the CLE/LAAA game...
Tommy “Big Thunder” Hunter (Ceej’s nickname for him)
Tommy “Big Game” Hunter (I think this was AJM’s idea, I really like it)
Tommy “Hoss” Hunter
and Tommy Boy
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 28, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You cannot nickname a badass pitcher after a SC map
I’m sorry, but you can’t
by BuckyB on Jul 28, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
i also like “Dutch” and that nickname has practically been outlawed.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by WHOM?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for "Big Game"
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 28, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently it's "Hoss" on here.
I don’t like it. His teammates call him “Big Thunder”
I like “Big Game Hunter”.
by Too Legit To quit on Jul 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
according to Wiki
A big-game hunter is a person engaged in hunting for large animals for trophies or game. The pursuit of the major objective might place the hunter at risk of personal harm. Potential big-game sought include, but are not limited to, bears, big cats, boars, elephants, buffalo, kudu, antelope, rhinoceros, hartebeest, moose, elk, and deer. Big game hunters hunt in places such as Argentina, New Zealand, British Columbia, Montana, Ethiopia, Zambia and other parts of Africa. The weapons they use include, but are not limited to, rifles, shotguns, crossbows, and some types of handguns.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 28, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
A big-game hunter is a person engaged in hunting for large animals for trophies or pitching in high-leverage baseball games. The pursuit of the major objective might place the hunter at risk of personal harm. Potential big-game sought include, but are not limited to, bearsAngels, big cats (Tigers), boarsMariners, elephants (think about the A’s mascot), buffalo, kudu, antelope, rhinoceros, hartebeest, moose, elk, and deer, Yankees, Red Sox and Rays. Big game hunters hunt in places such as ArgentinaAnaheim, New ZealandYork, British Columbia, Montana, Ethiopia, Zambia and other parts of AfricaBoston, Oakland, and Seattle. The weapons they use include, but are not limited to, rifles, shotguns, crossbows, and some types of handgunsfastballs, sliders, curve balls and change ups.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 28, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I would rec if I was on my desktop.
Excellent work.
by Too Legit To quit on Jul 28, 2009 12:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
kung-fu panda
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Jul 28, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
taken
by Pablo Sandoval
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 28, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shoulda signed dunn in the offseason
usa
by Longhorn on Jul 28, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
didn't see Davis failing
would’ve been a log-jam.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
i think money was making that signing prohibitive as well.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably
but the Rangers (as well as everyone) misread the market and probably thought Dunn would have beenmore expensive
Ideally, the Rangers don’t pick up Blalock’s option, so signing Dunn for 12 million for a Dh wouldn’t be a logjam or a bad $ move. But with Blalock, signing Dunn made no sense
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 28, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is moving Josh down really expected to help?
It may help the team because a cold bat will get fewer plate appearances, but I can’t see it helping Josh. Do you really think that hitting further down in the order will take pressure off him at let him relax? I doubt Wash was telling him “OK, Josh, I’ve got you batting 3rd. The whole team is counting on your. Don’t let us down.” The only pressure on Josh was coming from within himself, which is probably true of all players. He’s not going to be any more relaxed hitting 7th. Hell, he might put more pressure on himself to try to regain his 3rd slot.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 28, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do people prefer to trade Holland over Feliz?
by tyd3311 on Jul 28, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
People think Feliz will end up as a closer?
by oc on Jul 28, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I can tell
a few think that they have observed mediocre secondary stuff from him, and a whole lot of others may be getting misled by folks like John Rhadigan who said on the air after a visit to the ballpark that the move to the pen is the plan for years to come for Feliz.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Can he get fired a few more times already?
by brettgardner on Jul 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Evan Grant on Norm
a couple of weeks ago say he expected the Rangers to make Feliz a relief pitcher in The Show, this year and beyond.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 28, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think I’ve heard him make that comment as well. I think that guys like this are unable to read between the lines of Daniels’ comments, but they’re there talking to him and I’m not.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just call up JD and ask him
I’m sure they’ll take ZCakes call, since you are a powerful member of the DMN media empire and all.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 28, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw him pitch
a few times last year at Frisco and his secondary stuff was not mediocre at all. It was just inconsistent. I guess that could be a symptom of mediocre secondary stuff but when he threw them they had good action and deception. He just lacks consistency with those offerings.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I think that people forget
he’s only even thrown a breaking ball for a short time. Its progress is pretty remarkable, really.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
and excellent point. Even though i have thrown out scenarios with him in deals im beginning to realize this guy is not Volquez or Danks. When is the last time we had a guy that had such an unrefuted 80 pitch? Have we ever?
You are right his CB is developing rapidly. What im amazed at is that he doesnt force it, everything he throws is smooth.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 28, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how's the changeup?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 28, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to THE KLAW
it’s already a + pitch
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
by FirebatM3 on Jul 28, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
95...
Hell of a changeup huh.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 28, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of Rangers Trade Updates on sidebar...
by Agreen07 on Jul 28, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, it just hit me last night.
And I’m sure it only just hit me because I’m never here anymore, but this is probably going to be one of the better Rangers teams in history. On pace for a pythag record of like 90 wins, despite all the offensive frustration.
So despite the fact that we’re not front runners and may just miss the playoffs, I didn’t expect to even be close this year. This really good season is coming with an offense that we can probably expect to be better in coming years and tons of young players yet to hit their primes or even come on, and it’s ahead of schedule.
When I sit down and look at it from that perspective, I can honestly believe it’s about to be awesome to be a Rangers fan. . .
by philkid3 on Jul 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless
they literally trade away their future for Roy Halladay in an act of desperation reminiscent of the 1980s.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 28, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope these rumors are a load of crap
im gonna so pissed if we jump the wagon here so that we can be good for just 1 more year
by Horns130 on Jul 28, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay Optimism!!!
:)
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Jul 28, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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