Wednesday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2009 10:07 AM CDT
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PrintVery nice win last night, particularly with Doug Mathis having to be pressed into service as a spot starter.
There was some drama yesterday, with the Tigers feeling that Jason Grilli and Eddie Guardado were throwing at guys, that led to Guardado telling Tiger manager Jim Leyland to "zip it" at one point.
Jeff Wilson writes that Elvis Andrus led the Ranger attack last night. Andrus has some quotes about the slump he was dealing with, saying that it was just mental, and he was thinking too much at the plate.
Jeff (the writer) Miller talks about Andrus as well, although he quotes Ron Washington as saying that Andrus isn't ready to hit leadoff.
The rotation is up in the air after Scott Feldman pitches today. Vicente Padilla could go tomorrow, if he's feeling better, or Derek Holland could go, if Padilla isn't. Kevin Millwood could go on Friday, if his glut is better, and if not, it will probably be Dustin Nippert.
There are also some quotes from Holland, responding to comments by Rangers fans:
Rookie left-hander Derek Holland knows what Rangers fans are saying about him. He’s heard he needs to develop secondary pitches and he struggles when he faces a batter for the second time in a game.
Holland isn’t buying it.
"I’ve been trying to do too much," he said. "The thing that gets me is that everybody thinks I need to develop more off-speed. It’s more about locating. It’s always been just one pitch."
He thinks the biggest problem he’s had is with his pitch location, not with the pitch selection. Holland is 1-5 as a starter, but his confidence hasn’t wavered.
"The way I see it is it’s going to click and when it does I’ll be helping this club big time," he said. "One pitch away from greatness is what Mike [Maddux] always says. And I believe that’s the case."
Neither Roy Halladay nor Cliff Lee appear to be heading to town to fill any rotation holes. Even if a prospect package could be worked out -- and Toronto wants more from the Rangers than Jon Daniels is willing to part with -- the Rangers apparently can't afford to add the salary Halladay or Lee would require.
T.R. Sullivan says the Rangers are still looking to add a starting pitcher, but can't add major payroll.
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Per Buster Olney's blog
The Texas Rangers don’t have a lot of payroll flexibility, and like a lot of teams with moderate-sized payrolls, they need to cling to their prospects in the way a 2-year-old clutches a blanket. Thus far, they haven’t made a lot of moves, and probably won’t before Friday’s trade deadline. They’ve also dealt with their share of injuries and ailments, from Josh Hamilton’s stint on the disabled list to Matt Harrison’s season-ending thoracic condition to a flu that swept through their clubhouse. Vicente Padilla wasn’t able to take the ball Tuesday night because he is still feeling the effects of swine flu. But they just keep rolling along, and after Elvis Andrus propelled them to a win Tuesday, the Rangers have eight victories in their past nine games.
The Rangers now are 2½ games behind the Angels in the AL West and 1½ games behind the Red Sox for the AL wild-card spot, and they have become one of the best stories in baseball.
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I think I'm over trading for one of those guys
if it really is going to take a king’s ransom, so be it. I was thinking you could get away with trading away one good prospect, some B’s, and davis but if not then screw it.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
At this point I just want the Rangers to drive up the price for the Angels
I don’t know why JD would mention their payroll problems when he should be bluffing to Toronto and Cleveland through the press that he can take on the extra salary.
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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm sure Josey has an opinion on that matter
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JD mentions "payroll problems" because his team is in contention and
his nuts are in a vise.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it has nothing to do with Hicks defaulting on loans
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Bud Selig says
the Rangers haven’t been prohibited from adding payroll so it doesn’t seem like a good excuse to me.
The Rangers may be playing poker so you can’t really judge what their motiviations are at this point but we’ll know in a couple of days.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
apparently,
the last two payroll checks, Selig did write the checks for the team.
by SanDiegoKev on Jul 29, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the payroll problems mostly are
JD has publicly aknowledged the team’s finances make this trade deadline a different type of “challenge”, but he hasn’t indicated it would actually cause a deal to not go through.
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Oops... *mostly are being over-reported.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
More annoying than Josey?
Jackasses that call him out.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 29, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
isn't what you're doing basically similar
to complaining about complainers?
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by willamos2 on Jul 29, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
he did it once
and generally doesn’t do it at all.
whereas the group that responds to him loves to do it
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Isn't what you're doing basically
Saying that “I can do it and there is nothing you can do to stop me because to do so you have to come down to my level and you’re better than that.”
I agree, he is better than you.
no, i just think it's dumb
to act like my post is what elicited a response from him. The post before talks about a possible mistake JD is making, and we all know that Josey will jump on any opportunity (even if it’s not there) to bash JD. It’s not like Josey was waiting for my personal invitation to make his comment.
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I'm so confused right now
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe the payroll problems ARE the bluff...?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Its sounding more and more
like it costs 3 A prospects, and its just not worth it.
Hell, I wasn’t willing to give up 2 A prospects,
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
well Davis I thought could be sold to JP as an adequate replacement for Smoak
obviously not the same caliber player but someone who more than fills a need and is still young and projectable.
so we aren’t that far off
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
The price being bandied about for Lee to Philly right now doesn't sound bad at all.
But I think that’s wishful thinking or a smokescreen by Philly to call Toronto’s bluff.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing
But I think Lee <<< Halladay, so it isn’t that much of a surprise, i guess
Halladay's a notch better, sure. But Lee is really, really good, much cheaper in terms of dollars and has indicated he's open to an extension.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Carrasco, Marson, Donald...
Is NOT the kinda deal you make if you’re the Indians…
Apparently the rumor de jur is that package plus Knapp, which ovbiously makes it a lot better.
Still, I’d match that in a freaking heartbeat.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Major league ready arm without a ton of upside.
No one really directly comparable, though Hunter’s probably close.
Perhaps Moscoso, Poveda, Kiker, etc.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yah, that's fair-ish. Direct comps are always difficult.
Knapp would be the real prize there.
He profiles a lot like Main would’ve after last season if Main’d pitched more innings.
Somewhere in between Wilmer and M-Per I’d say.
A damn fine pitching prospect, but very far away at the moment.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just saw that...
Still not an overwhelming package by any means…
you still might be able to
but the payroll is the new problem.
I’d still love to land Kazmir
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
If Guardado is throwing at your batters in a game where you are behind 4 runs
you should thank him… what damage could it do?
it limits the amount of 85 mph fastballs they get to see
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Garland or Davis?
I’m trying to decide if I’d be happy about either. They seem like marginal, upgrade for the sake of upgrading, guys. Obviously you can’t rely on Nippert, Mathis/Moscoso/, Hunter forever so you kind of have to do these deals. But neither of those guys is going to give you what Hunter gives you on his best days
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
neither of those guys will *exceed what hunter gives you on his best day
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
But Mathis/Moscoso won't be in the rotation
Holland will.
If the Rangers make a move, it will be to replace Holland in the rotation, not Mathis/Moscoso.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
On a side note...
We always hear about Moscoso’s flat secondary stuff, but his breaking ball was easily plus last night. The one that Guillen slapped into CF was nasty.
mathis/moscoso
to be fair, that was an injury slot.
Millwood, Padilla, Feldman, Holland, Hunter
The question is do you not trust the health of the 5 that you think you need a good 6th starter to step in (where Holland would be that 6th starter)?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I think we're to that point
health-wise. Between flu, ass and the unknown effects of this year’s high pitch couts…I’d like to have something besides M&M back there.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Pitch counts aren't higher this year.
Inning counts are because pitchers are getting through innings with fewer pitches per inning.
They are slightly higher this year
98 pit/gm this year vs 91 last year. That has come down a little from earlier this year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Millwood's are
by about 15 pitches per game.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
I wonder
if that average will hold through the heat of summer.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Probably... since we spend the heat of the summer on the road this year.
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I think its a good idea to add a starter...
because of all the missed starts we have been having….that way if we need a spot start it will be Holland instead of Mathis.
However I am not willing to meet the demands for Lee or Halladay….maybe those demands will lower as the deadline approaches. I think a lot of these rumored deals have been b.s. from someone.
Besides Garland and Davis….what are our best options?
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
try to horn in on Kazmir but that seems dead
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
i wonder what deal we turned down for Kazmir....
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't it Der-Hol?
Maybe there were some other dudes involved but I thought Der-Hol was the name connected to Kaz.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd be fine with adding either
Garland over Holland is iffy, but no big deal. But I’d rather have him than end up with another injury after the deadline and then actually be down to nippert/mathis/moscoso.
the preceding post was a great success.
and Grilli's response to Leyland's accusations was great
“I’m not even going to make a comment on that,” Grilli said. "Good pitchers pitch inside.
“I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys.
“Do you think that he gets mad when (Justin) Verlander throws inside?”
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Swagger from the pitchings staff
Never thought I’d live to see the day…
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I'm starting to really like Grilli...
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Jul 29, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
me too
i thought he would be pretty unimpressive, but his stuff isn’t bad.
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And he has great bits...
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Jul 29, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
and great hair
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
yes me too
have you seen how many “I hate Jason Grilli” Facebook accounts there are? It’s unreal.
I hope he’s got even more from the Detroit area after this season’s over
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Also RE: this Mariners trade
I don’t really want Scott Kazmir, but I don’t really want Seattle to have him either if that makes any sense. Of course, it’s just speculation at this point with Jeff Clement getting pulled out of the game last night.
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Seattle can have Kazmir.
I’m happy to have Clement out of this division as well.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
Yes, you never really have enough friends, beer and starting pitching
but this team needs a bat more than anything else.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
The inability to add payroll is not an acceptable excuse
to hold on to your prospects.
Get creative, JD…you were given budget and knew what you could spend going into the season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
There are so many ways you are wrong with this argument. I'll just pick one.
Let’s pretend that JD had a budget at the beginning of the year and made the conscious decision to reserve some funds in the event that the team needed to make a deadline deal. Let’s also pretend that JD made this decision in spring training even though everyone acknowledged that this team was built to compete in 2009, not 2010. Let’s also pretend that it makes more sense for the longterm health of the ballclub to trade away prospects and spend money on rental players instead of investing that money in the draft and in Latin America (as JD has done, based on the philosophy that has brought the team to this point).
Assuming all of that, do you think that JD knew that Hicks wouldn’t be able to meet payroll for two consecutive pay periods half way through the season?
cstorm
If that’s true, a big IF, JD needs to get creative and find a taker for Byrd or somebody else like him.
If it’s Blalock, so be it, but you better have a helluva reason to do it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Get creative?
Do you have something in mind? You hold yourself out to know alot about what it takes to be GM, so if you are JD, what do you do in this situation?
Don't know what JD's options
are at this point so why do it?
If he can’t add payroll to make a move, he needs to get creative.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
But you're assuming there are options, right?
That there is a way to make a move without adding payroll that doesn’t cripple the longterm plans of the organization.
All you’re doing is creating false expectations so that you can bash JD on August 1. If you can’t identify a single “creative” move that you would try if you were GM, then you can’t preemptively bash JD for not making the move. So stop trying.
By the way, you never actually answered my question (although you have a bad habit of that)
Do you think that JD knew that Hicks wouldn’t be able to meet payroll for two consecutive pay periods half way through the season?
I agree with Holland that he is going to get it and
when he does he is going to help big-time. I hope he doesn’t feel the fans are giving up on him just because they make the observation that he has trouble the 2’nd time through the line-up.
what fans?
what the hell is he reading? no ranger player should ever read anything but comments on here. and then they should only read certain commenters. fuck the ignorant masses.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
JD says he reads NMLR & LSB
and I betcha there are some players (probably the younger ones) that do as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Padilla seems like the LSB type
something very internet-savvy about his appearance
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Buck said he read NMLR as well and given how much his
ass is kissed at that place, I’m sure Tom Hicks and his family read that as well.
Wonder if today is the big day for trades or if he prefers to take it to the last second? JD traded for Coco et al on July 28 and Lofton on July 27 but Tex & Gagne were shipped on July 31.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly,
i dont think it is a specfic day. it is more of a specific deal. This is the first time we have been buyers in a while so i would assume any deal would be a last second deal.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't imagine a deal not getting done
and there will be a serious shat storm if something doesn’t happen.
Nothing happened last year and nothing happened at the Winter Meetings and I’m not sure JD can fade the heat if nothing happens again, especially with this team in contention and supposed war chest full of prospects (and the positional logjams we are facing).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone remember what happened last time we said, "JD you need to make a deal"?
Bc I remember a certain Soriano trade that didn’t go so well
You almost sound as if
It would be better to make a trade just to make it rather than do nothing at all. If the right deal isn’t out there I would rather sit than make a trade to appease fans like you.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Oh no, that's not it boomer
There are no medals for trying. He either makes a move that helps the team win this year or he does not.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
And if there's not a reasonable deal that helps the team?
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
I might buy it once that there wasn't a reasonable deal that helps
the team but I’m not buying it three times in a row.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I would have been much more guarded of my prospects
last year than this year because that thing (2008 team) was a steaming pile destined for failure.
That said, I’m always looking for ways to improve the team so yes, I was a buyer but I always am.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
But as you have said
The past two years they weren’t in this position.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
There are pros and cons
of having the top system with 4 prospects that are better than the others. Every team ask for them first and will not settle for anything. They are hoping the Rangers will make a deal to make a deal. That is why i dont want Willinghham here anymore because I really think that the Nats want one of the top 4.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Cave
Who do you consider to be number 4?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Right now
I would rank them Smoak, Feliz, Perez, and Holland. And honestly some of that has to do with Holland’s ML struggles. Prior to the season it would have been Smoak, Feliz, Holland, Perez.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
But you make it sound as if
He should make a trade. If there is not a trade out there just sit on your hands and do nothing. Let’s go back in time with the Sosa trade. Almost in the same position. TAG admits he should have done nothing.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
TAG's problem was that he didn't have a very good read on his team.
They bolted the gate 17-5 and we’re mediocre the rest of the way plus they were in a division with a serious juggernaut with no wild card avenue.
The 1989 team may have found themselves in “contention” but that July but they didn’t have a serious chance to do anything. Making that deal and expecting it to put the Rangers over the top was dumb.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
In contrast
this Ranger team has played well all season (except for June) and is not a fluke.
The wild card avenue is open and so is the AL West.
It’s time to make a trade that helps this team win this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
So this team is not a 73 win team?
So what you are saying is that you were wrong about this team and JD has done a good job putting it together for them to be in this position?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
This does not appear to be a 73 win team but I'm not
going make any more guesses on the number of games they will win.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
So JD did a good job
Getting this team in this position then.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
You really wanna go there, boomer?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
JD
will be evaluated by me after the season but I will say he has done a much better job since Nolan became his immediate superior.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
We agree on that fact, completely
but I assume you are implying a very high degree of causality, which I’d disagree with.
Also, you can’t always evaluate someone based on the consequences of their job.
I’d suggest to you “The Drunkard’s Walk” as a very good book to read
Part of JD's job is to
attract or acquire talent on the fly (at the trade deadline or Winter Meetings) that helps the big club win and JD has not done a very good job of that in the last 1.5 years.
I will give him credit for some nice bullpen moves that have been a big part of this team’s success but he also gets the blame for assembling this offense and not acquiring a nice piece to replace Bradley.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Not if it is not efficient
That efficiency is variable based on prospects, finances, aid to the team
if you arent actually using those in your plans you are being an ignorant fool
Oh I'm sorry Josey
I forgot my place in the food chain. If things are going good it is because of Ryan and if they are not it is because of JD.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
What heat?
I cant imagine that JD will get a lot of heat if a deal doesnt go down. Sure, a few old Granpa Urine wannabes will bitch, moan and complain; but most of the informed fans realize now is not the time to gut the farm system
I really like Holland's confidence in his pitching coach.
In this case, that seems to be something that can help him simplify his adjustment period.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
right?
I keep yelling out “Guillermo Moscoso!” in an angry Spanish accent at work. I think my boss is ready to let me work from home for the rest of the day
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
go team
2.5 back in division
7.5 up on m’s
1.5 back in wild card (red socks)
4 up on the (d) rays
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
m's
don’t need to worry about them. all about looking ahead
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
It would be nice if veralnder would throw one behind Kinsler to start the game....
and get tossed…..(doubt it since the Tigers are in a tight race right now)
speaking of Kinsler….has there been any word on his hamstring/leg injury?
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions
At least he would have a good Game Score
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Jul 29, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Doug Mathis checked in last night with a not so salty
Game Score of 41.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather Verlander get ousted after 3.2 innings down 7-1
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Payroll flexibility (and Halladay)
While I’m sure the Rangers could add the payroll and figure out a way to get it done, it seems like that would greatly interfere with the ability to sign Purke and Shep. When you look at it like that, the deal could possibly cost us: Smoak, Feliz, and Schep… very not worth it
I think that they already have a budget for the draft....
and signing those 2 to a higher deal will just take away money from the lower picks (i could be wrong)
But you are right that the money has to come from somewhere…
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad to hear the Rangers aren't in the market for them anymore
Just can’t do it. When we become a more established team, then you can do it. Until then, stay with the plan.
Tell ya...
It feels nice to get the Tiger off your back.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
now we just need
to do something about that damn rally monkey.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 29, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Tommy "Big Game" Hunter
Needs to take it out.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
we're like the PGA tour on the Saturday of the British
(definitely strained)
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Tough to say
Andrus can’t hit leadoff, when your current leadoff hitter is so ineffective at getting on base. I’d be very surprised if Andrus wasn’t significantly more productive against lefties than Kinsler.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Kinsler
has a .390 OBP vs. lefties whill Andrus’ is at .412. Kinsler’s OPS is 1.120. Andrus’ is .783. Obviously, Kinsler has more power but Andrus gets on at a better clip. Kinsler also has a .668 OPS vs. righties with a .283 OBP. Murphy has a .378 OBP vs. lefties with a .854 OPS. Seems like an obvious choice to me.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
should be murphy vs. righties, sorry
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
and with his "new approach," that batting average has shot up 14 points over the past few weeks...
imagine what his OBP has jumped to. If he could keep that approach, I’d be very happy with him leading off at least against lefties
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
But on the flip side
he said the reason he was slumping was he was thinking too much at the plate. If hes thinking too much in the 9 hole imagine what he may be thinking hitting leadoff where the team is counting on you to get on base almost half the time and you are hitting directly in front of the heart of the order.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I wonder how much
Bonds would cost to add him for the rest of the year? You would lose no prospects just money.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
I have no idea
why someone hasn’t made a move for him, unless there is an MLB directive or collusion.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
In the great words of C-wun
He could do just as good as they are right now.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
and when he was 43
he put up a .276/.480/.565.
Even if his OBP has dropped 100 points in the 2 years off, he’d still be worth a chance. Especially considering he has said he’d sign a minimum contract.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I don't think so
I think you’d be hardpressed to find anyone in baseball who put up a 1000+ OPS, and couldn’t even get a prorated minimum wage contract in MLB the next year. I think there is a lot of reason to suspect Collusion.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I believe there was and still is collusion
Bonds isn’t playing for any MLB franchise again ever.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Bonds is old and was already in a sharp decline
And this was what, almost 2 seasons ago. I would completely give up on any team that signed him. Remember how bad Mr. 3000 was? Bonds would be worse.
by Mark from OC on Jul 29, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Sharp Decline?
He hit .276/.480/.565. Thats an OBP of almost 500.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Yes, sharp decline
In the early part of the decade he was averaging .330/.550/.775. Because of his decreased home run potential, he is going to get 25% of the walks that he previously got. Remember over 1/2 were intentional.
by Mark from OC on Jul 29, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Missed the first part of the statement
Bonds is aging. He was getting worse, not better. Bonds today would be worse than Andrew Jones. Maybe last year some team could have gotten 20 HR out of him and a .260/.350/.450 line, but not anymore as he has been out of baseball too long.
by Mark from OC on Jul 29, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
So their is no room for Bonds on the team. Jones is the only guy he would replace and no way would Bonds be better now.
by Mark from OC on Jul 29, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
cry me a RIVER
I’d kill for a .480 OBP player right now. I’d actually sacrifice a chicken with my bare hands…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
eh
I’m waiting for Rickey Henderson’s inevitable return, trying to be the first Hall of Famer to go back onto the diamond (remember when Jim Palmer went to spring training in 1990 or something like that? of course, those early ’90s Orioles clubs were historically bad)
Go Rice Owls!
to become the Gordie Howe of MLB?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course
since Bonds turned his back on the MLBPA when he didn’t sign the group licensing agreement, I don’t think they have any skin in the game to fight collusion. Barry Bonds is probably the only player in baseball you can safely collude against.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I would take into account
1) About 2 years removed from baseball
2) The fact that the regression a baseball player experiences between 43 and 46 is greater than any other age difference, and
3) The fact that at 43, he was only able to play 120 games
All in order to predict a greater drop than 100 points in his OBP
Maybe he’s really been juicing since then, but I would be flabbergasted if he could come here and put up a 380 OBP and play any resemblance of full time.
Then you take into account his inability to run the bases AT ALL
I'd love to see the signing
but I would gamble money that it would be a huge flop, and he would post a negative WAR, imo
But
there is almost zero cost to getting him. He’d almost certainly come in for minimum salary.
Now, I can see the Rangers making an argument that he’s not worth risking losing someone on the 40 for – the only way I can see them doing something like this is if they are about to give up on Andruw Jones, which I doubt they will do (much to a certain peanut gallery’s chagrin) – but if a team has flexibility on the 40 and 25, then there is zero cost in signing him, seeing how it works, and letting him go if it doesn’t.
Go Rice Owls!
Been out for 2 years and off the juice, no way he has anything left.
Plus that is a circus we don’t need.
by diamond_dave on Jul 29, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I remember
similar comments about the circus that MBradley would bring.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
who cares?
people constantly whine about the Rangers not getting any attention, yet they want to avoid attention when there is a sure way of getting it?
Go Rice Owls!
we'd get a ton of media coverage, that's for sure...
and Tommy Hicks might start seeing sellouts and more money in his pockets
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
it has to be collusion
why else would he have not played the past 2 years?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
i like this idea
although i’m probably the only one.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
the more i think about it
the more shocked i am that Hicks isn’t all over this. Attendance would go up (every HR he hits sets a new record, albeit blemished), and the costs to drive up attendance would be small (minimum salary).
I guess you’re right though…must be some collusion.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
When multiple managers say they wants to sign Bonds and their owners say "no. . ."
. . . and then one of them is told to shut up by his owners when he complains to the media about the situation, I think collusion becomes pretty damn hard to ignore.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE YOUNG PLAYERS HE'D BLOCK!!!!!
WHY DON’T YOU THINK OF BRANDON BOGGS!?!?!?!?!
Go Rice Owls!
Bonds
do we even know if he’s still in playing shape? Has he been working out since 2008 hoping for a chance? You’d have thought he would have gotten the message by now
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Always amazed
that the baseball people here want Bonds on the team
i lose respect for you guys every time this conversation starts up
fuck bonds and his worthless cheating piece of shit worthless asshole self
tell us how you really feel
Rangers fans have to have a warm spot in their hearts for steroiders, i think
LOL that makes no sense.
Do you know how much of baseball you eliminate if you eliminate anyone who breaks a rule or an unwritten rule (which is what using steroids was at the time) or a law?
Damn, dude.
Good grief, people
Is every thread for the rest of the season going to be dominated by arguing with Josey?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
ban him
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 29, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
THIS
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh come on
He’s not THAT bad. Sure I disagree with him 99% of the time but there are a large number of people here who need how to engage in debates with him.
If stealhome’s 20 aliases are not banned, there’s no need to ban Josey.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
"who need how"
I don’t know what you meant.
but the point isn’t about how good or bad josey is or if it is fair to ban josey. the point is that if adam has a problem with people arguing with him all the time on his blog (HIS BLOG), then he shouldnt’ try to change the other 200 people, he should just ban Josey.
it doesn’t have to be fair; he’s not held to a judge’s standard. I know that adam could ban me for any one of my comments and I could complain and plead but in the end I’d just take it because it’s his blog and he can do whatever he wants.
To complain about people arguing with Josey is the true definition of insane; it happens repeatedly (and for almost 2 years now) and he keeps on expecting something different. Well, he has the easy (and probably only solution) so either he accepts the 500 pointless posts or he does the most logical thing.
Anyway, not like it sets a bad precedent. Josey is kind of a special case and he’s taken 3 years to reach the status. I imagine Sharky might have gotten there if he didn’t become so ridiculous (and he also started posting less).
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
yeah i goofed
not true definition but the quote attributed (I’m pretty sure wrongly) to Einstein:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Would help if my main point made sense
“Need to learn how to engage him in debates”
I’d have to disagree with you again. Adam is one of the most liberal moderators I’ve seen in my time with online communities and I mean that as a compliment. The number of rambling morons I’ve seen pass through here is way too high to keep track of. Josey is nowhere near as bad as the Clueless, Ahmads, etc. We may disagree with him completely but its hard to question his passion and dedication. Hell he’s here posting most mornings, which is more than I can say.
Not trying to speak for Adam but I agree, quit taking the bait. If you pay attention it’s pretty clear which of Josey’s posts are just trying to get a rise out of us, and which ones are legitimate points to debate. I wouldn’t classify anything he’s done as bannable, especially on this blog (where it takes quite a lot to be banned).
Just quit taking the bait people.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
you keep acting like banning is a punishment
it doesn’t have to be. it’s just a tool to moderate the conversation. even if you’re not doing anything egregious, if you’re stifling the discussion, the moderator should be able to ban you. I agree, there have been worse commenters but Josey is creeping up on 2 years and for 2 years about 10% of the threads have been devoted to either bitching about him or arguing (in a very non productive way about the same shit) with him. I think this can be considered a special case.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Good point
Lord only knows how insanely long some of these threads get and in fact, if I show up after 300+ comments, I’m usually too intimidated by length to jump into the discussion.
Of course, this is great for Adam/SBN so I don’t really see how banning someone who can drive up your comments by 100+ posts will happen. Think Adam made the right call by just making the point, and hopefully this discussion will persuade a few others to quit taking the bait and feeding the troll. Pick your spots everyone.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
So I'm that rarest of trolls
that actually roots for the team everybody else roots for in the room?
I do believe it was moi who led the argument against sticking a fork in this team’s playoff chances this past Sunday morning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude
I’m sticking up for you. Don’t try to drag me into an arguement
Seeing Pearl Jam 3 times in the next 3 months.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
well as to the last point - I doubt it
and as to site traffic – I doubt there is one extra person that has come to the site because of josey. and the people who do argue with him would probably argue about relevant topics if he wasn’t here.
As it stands, it’s prettty embarassing to the site that a potential ranger fan could come here, read the posts, get intrigued, and then get completely turned off by the back and forth that occurs between Josey and whoever (which by the way is why hurlerhurley should have been banned – I shudder to think that a player actually read some of the stuff he wrote).
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I'd argue
hurley should/could be banned. Re: traffic. If I’m not mistaken LSB has some of the highest comments on the baseball side. Josey certainly doesn’t hurt there. I’m sure no one comes just to debate Josey but he certainly adds to the totals.
I don’t think we really disagree about all that much, to be honest. I avoid the Game Day Threads because of the sheer volume of posts. I look away for 10 minutes and there’s a new thread. I think you just want to avoid a similar problem in the morning posts with pointless Josey bashing.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Yup
Many of us may not agree with the man, but he’s not done much to deserve banning.
Personally when i read a thread and half of its full of arguing with josey i just cruise past and dont read. Its all baiting and nonsense
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
ban the people
who bait him and consistently get in long arguments with him.
They are every bit as bad, if not worse.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
again
you could try to punish those guys but it seems like it would be a lot easier to just ban josey. not like he’s so indispensable that you need to protect him. and I doubt these other guys would find some other troll to bug. for the most part, they are really good posters that get caught up in the bullshit (cstorm).
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
However
you’d have the side benefit of getting rid of lots of bad posters. Most of the guys who consistently get in the long back and forths with Josey and bait him are pretty suckass posters anyway. You wouldn’t lose much by losing them.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I don't argue with him anymore....
I just kinda skim his post……
JD is at fault….blah…blah…..Davis pooped his pants…..Nolan is Jesus….JD is Judas….
and then I move on to read the good stuff in the thread.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
You're not immune to arguing with Josey either.
Practice what you preach.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
The problem is even a civil conversation
becomes “arguing” with him because of his condescending tone and derogatory nicknames for everyone that he drops with such regularity.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
Couldn’t you say that same thing about a good number of people on here? Just sayin’. I don’t think the condescension is the problem…
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
It's on a different level with him
I think that’s pretty obvious, actually.
His condescending attitude is definitely a problem for me at least.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Genius
you’ve created a completely new conversation solely about Josey, and he doesn’t even have to be involved
we all bit hard, and you have hypocrites galore posting comment after comment about how Josey shouldn’t be worth our time
by BuckyB on Jul 29, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think you allow yourself to fall into that trap
as much as anybody here.
I’ve learned to just ignore anything he says that I don’t agree with or seems like bait
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
yep that sucks....
It also sucks that all the headlines were about farve and not Johnson.
He was a great coach and a thorn in the side of the Cowboys for a decade. I hate Philly, but I respect Jim Johnson.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
You're shitting me?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
I was happy he wasn't with the Eagles anymore (Cowboy killer) as of May
but not for the reason he left…and I’m pretty bummed now.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
My stupid thought of the day
The key members of the rangers roster for the rest of this year, and forseeable future (excluding millwood unless he resigns after next year) looks like this:
c: salty/tt
1b: Davis/smoak
2b: kins
ss: Elvis
3b: young
of: Hamilton
of: Cruz
of: Murphy/borbon
dh: smoak/Davis/maximus
I am leaving out some people that I don’t think will play key roles in the future of this team, even though they are pretty important this year (i.e. Blalock, Byrd, AJ etc.) none of those guys are irreplaceable.
Our rotation starting next year could look something like
Millwood
Holland
Feliz
Feldman
Hunter
and our key bullpen pieces include:
Frankie
CJ
Oday
Jennings
Mathis
Nippert
ok so the point of this is to point out, that we have no glaring holes on our roster and could field a competitive team for the next 3-5 years without adding anyone/without spending very much cash at all because most of these players are very affordable. So (here is where this turns stupid) why not package a whole bunch of our lower level minor leaguers or upper level low ceiling guys in a package to get a controllable TORP and a masher at the plate. Pick whatever position in the lineup you want to upgrade, take the player we already have in that spot, and add in some combination of the following Perez/Font//kiker/beaven/Main/Ross/Beltre/Poveda/wieland/ etc… I think you could turn one of our weaker players into a star, and turn a tommy hunter or Scott feldman into a TORP while they’re value is peaking. Does a Hunter/Perez/Beltre/Vallejo package interest KC for greinke? A Cruz/Kiker/Font package get us pretty much our pick of corner outfielder?? This would be a way to improve our team both now, and in the future, without crippling us too much. Also while this would hurt our next wave of prospects it wouldn’t completely empty it out, and a lot of them at the lower levels won’t ever make it anyway. Not to mention if they do they might not be a spot for them. Plus with the way JD has been drafting and signing in Latin America the farm could be restocked in no time, and purke/scheppers should establish themselves by this time next time. Anyways I don’t think it will happen, but I certainly think it’s worth the thought to toss around. Also I didn’t even take into account the possibility of adding free agent talent without having to dip into the prospect pool, but we could easily fill holes with FAs (as long as hicks sells the team)
by rangerjake on Jul 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
The formatting started out SO well....
but I couldn’t make it through that last mega-paragraph. Anyone want to summarize?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Jul 29, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry
On my iPhone at work… Basically package one of our players and a bunch of lower level players for a controllable star because we don’t have any glaring holes now or in the forseeable future.
Hunter/Perez/Beavan/Beltre for Grienke?
Cruz/Font/Kiker for any corner outfielder we want?
The cost doesn’t kill us and it makes us better now and in the future. Quality over quantity.
by rangerjake on Jul 29, 2009 11:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
jesus
typing all that on an iphone would be a beating.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
iphone + LSB sucks… no “z” button, doesn’t show new posts (since it doesn’t refresh), and when you post, it is a separate web page
yeah
I hate reading the mobile version of the comments because you never know which are the new ones. Pretty useless IMO.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah
I use it if there’s a rain delay and I’m at the park – there is ALWAYS more information in the GDT than we’re getting.
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"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
Pretty bad
But when the alternative is actually doing work than it’s not too bad.
by rangerjake on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Basically this:
No holes really on our team with the aforementioned guys. Start dumping anyone and everyone to get a masher and TORP. Shouldnt hurt us too bad because we are replenishing our prospects really well. Uses Purke and Scheppers as evidence.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
It sounds better than it actually is
In theory we’re getting rid of too many guys, so that is a problem…and the second problem, it wouldnt work anyways
just bad on a lot of fronts
There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in a package built on quantity.
The system has a lot of promising players that are a number of years away, but I get the impression that the present demand is for prospects who can ably and cheaply fill holes this or next season. The Rangers need that too.
No thanks
There are still too many ifs with this team. Salty, TT, Davis, Max, Borbon, Smoak, Hinter, Holland, Feliz, Mathis still need to prove they can handle the MLs.
No major trades until next simmer.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Anyone know
The latest on Kinsler’s injury?
by Basehead on Jul 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
tweaked his hammy
He will be evaluated later today.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
OT: New York Yankees
I don’t know why they haven’t already swapped Hughes + Joba for Halladay. I would honestly place their odds at 50% to win the series if that happened. Plus, they know they could resign him.
Halladay, C.C., Burnett would be a hell of a three man punch in the playoffs
I had this same disbelief when they refused to trade for Santana.
I know they are trying to build from within, but this would make too much sense for their push.
Plus
i would think they would have the money to sign him. Im sure the Jays are asking for Hughes, Joba, and Montero though.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I guess when I read this, I assumed that that would be about all it took. Would be a hell of a deal for both teams
Yeah it definitely would be interesting
Honestly i hope that he doesnt get traded at all for a few reasons.
1) we are competing for the WC. If he gets traded that is less starts that he gets to face the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays (teams we are competing against in the WC)
2) It is scary thinking of the teams he is rumored to be going to: Angels, Red Sox, Yankees mainly. If the Angels got him I would think the West would be very hard to win this yr and next.
3) the longer the Jays have him, the less he cost. Hopefully, he will be available next yr and the jays cant say hey you get him for 1.3 yrs. Maybe he would be the piece that puts us over the top next yr.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Am I having an out of body experience? Woke up this morning to see us 14 games over .500
just a tick back from da Sox for the WC and just a smidge behind the Halos who are winning by an unsustainable offense. Whodathunk?
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
Rangers and trades
Because the Rangers have/had the best overall prospect list since the end of the 2008 season, does this mean teams are asking for more value / better prospects in a trade with the Rangers than with other teams? For example, if the Rangers send their #3 and 10 prospect, that may be equivalent to most team’s #1 and 20 prospect. This could prevent any trade for a vet to fill the RH 1B slot or a starting pitcher for the rest of the season.
I like what JD has done so far this year with the low end players Grilli and O’Day. Both have been significant additions at no/almost no cost.
I'm sure some GMs are greedy in their requests
but we can simply smile and say “enjoy half that offer from somebody else”
we have the power here, not the teams with the Halladay or Lee. We have the ability to trump all other offers unless a team is looking for a specific position (SS, 2B) that we won’t give up.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive thought so too
it isnt right to demand our top prospects when they blow the other teams out of the water
that is strongly lacking in equivalence
Josey Wales = Bob Sturm?
http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/2009/07/29/bill-james-vs-scott-feldman/#more-11718
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
What about
Porcello?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Nope
Josey hates soccer. Sturm is a fellow Liverpool fan.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
Soccer is gay.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
+1
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
typical american viewpoint
I still would’ve liked to see what a win over brazil would have done, but I guess we’ll find out what happens next summer. Anyways, can’t wait till August 12th….
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
But naked, all-male bondage
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
as in happy?
Soccer’s not my favorite sport, but you have to admit it’s pretty awesome to go to a live match in England. Unless you’ve never been…and in that case, you need to work that ignorance out of your system.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I just fell down kicking and screaming
due to your meanness. The referee is really pissed now. He is holding a red piece of paper in the air.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
That pretty much sums up what soccer is all about.
Let's hope the second half will be as good as the first half has been.
name the last time several fans died during a baseball, football or basketball game
and like I said, go to a game outside the US some time. The environment is pretty awesome.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Sturm needs to stay away from baseball.
He should stick to the things he likes like Bret Farve, NHL, English Soccer, full contact tiddley winks and all the other stuff that no one else cares about
Interesting tidbit
Feldman had a total of six minor league starts before moving into a starter role with Texas last year. Six starts in 5+ years in the minors. Unreal how his development came out of nowhere.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
it really is
I wonder what his composite ERA, WHIP, wins, losses are in the 2 years he’s started
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Feldman career in the majors as a starter
15-11 4.28 ERA 248 IP 1.274 WHIP
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Seattle trades Clement + ??? for Jack Wilson
GMZ appears to be buying while selling.
by LiamP on Jul 29, 2009 11:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
11:45am: Kovacevic says the Mariners acquire Wilson and Ian Snell for Clement, Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
F me they got Snell
I wanted him here
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I misjudged Clement's value?
Thought he was a better prospect than others here believe. Don’t follow the minors enough, I suppose
Great trade for the M's.
Jeez I hate that they got Dr. Zoinks and his competent ass in as their GM.
Ugh.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Clement isn't good.
Snell has the potential to make us very sad over the next few years.
Effing Dr. Zoinks.
Anyway we can bring back the old guy?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Clement
Why does he keep winding up in AAA? His numbers there over a period of years are awesome.
What is the bug in the ointment with him? I know little about the player, but he looks lik ehe should be killing in the majors.
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by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
He can't catch (knees, mobility) and it doesn't seem like he has the mobility to play a decent 1b.
It’s hard to find room on the major league roster for a DH, I suppose.
But I agree that I’d’ve called him up long ago and given him some run to see what he’s got at the big league level.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Because
he is a AAAA player.
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Caveat: All I know about the other minor players in this deal is what I've read in my handbook as the trade broke.
One of them may have had a Der-Hol-esque breakout or something.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
They got a decent SS who adds to their complement of players who can’t hit worth a damn, and an intriguing arm in Snell who also comes with some attitude issues.
Nice to see the Pirates finally picking up a prospect who could be a cornerstone of their future, instead of settling for a handful of B/C-level guys.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
The guy almost killed himself.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you talking about Jeff Clement?
He’s NOT a cornerstone player at all.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL doesn't like it very much.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Ian Snell is by FAR the most talented player in that deal, and he's a great "change of scenery" bet.
Wilson can play some serious D.
Going fro Betancourt to Wilson in a matter of months i like going from Face to Andrus.
Even if you think Clement was gonna stick behind the plate this is still a massive win for the M’s.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
Who’s the A-type prospect?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
His knees are never ever going to allow him to catch and he's going to struggle to hit enough to justify time at 1b.
And here’s betting he’s pretty bad around the bag at 1b.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Massive win seems ridiculous to me.
For one thing, these guys arn’t going to be around long. Isn’t wilson 2010 and done?
And Ian Snell- come on. He has a 52:44 K:BB this year and was bad in most of his career with much better rates.
I’m not saying its a bad trade, it improves their mlb team a bit for a little while, but charaterizing it as this big huge steal of a trade.. shouldn’t that be reserved for when you actually get an above average player back? Talented or not Snell has sucked this year and most of his career and Wilson is just an acceptable SS.
the preceding post was a great success.
Looking at their time...
Looks like Snell does have 3 more years after this.
Is him panning out really any more likely than Clement doing so?
Again though, not saying its a bad trade.
the preceding post was a great success.
There are some serious mitigating circumstances with Snell.
Like I said, he’s by far the most talented player in this deal. The results are admittedly sup par, but he’s a very high upside guy to take a gamble on, especially when you’re not really giving jack shit up.
And Wilson is a terrific defender at a premium position where they’ve been pretty damn bad.
Seriously, think about what going from Face to Andrus did for our whole team. Going from Betancourt to Wilson (admittedly with Cedeno sandwiched in between) is the same kind of leap.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if they had a 20 year old wilson for 6 cheap years maybe.
The Mariners in 09 are done, no? So its one year at 8.25 million for 2010 when the Mariners are going to probably lose Bedard, Washburn and Branyan anyway.
Wilson helps them a little during a time I think its very unlikely they challenge for anything.
I won’t claim to be an expert on Ian Snell, but his numbers this year just look bad. If he pans out I guess it will be a win. But they did give up 5 players.
the preceding post was a great success.
I think you're in the minority here
There’s no way I’d call this a “massive” win for Seattle, and even if just 1 of the pitchers they got becomes a solid starter down the line for Pitt, it’s probably a win for the Pirates IMO. Sure, Snell could become an awesome starter for the M’s and make this a steal. He could also just be Adam Eaton 2.0.
If I'm a Pirates fan, I'm fairly pleased
Class-A Clinton:
Brett Lorin – 16 GS, 88.2 IP, 87 K, 24 BB, 61 H, 24 ER, 2.44 ERA
Aaron Pribanic – 17 GS, 87 IP, 31 ER, 3.21 ERA, 2.74 GO/AO, 1 HR
Yes, the lower level arms could swing this thing, I suppose.
Neither of those guys is real young for that level, btw, though Lorin in particular looks promising statistically.
Pribanic is very meh.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fine. Believe whatever you want.
It’s still a massive win for Seattle.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't be alarmed
D-tron is very excitable, any deal is either a massive win, or fuck-me-in-some-bodily-orifice
Perhaps.
I still really like this from Seattle’s perspective.
I think Dr. Zoinks knows exactly what he’s doing- and that scares the buh and the jesus right out of me.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Dr. Zoinks
Now that’s a nickname I can get behind. Zebra Cakes, not so much.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Oh, don't mind me, I am just here to make some slightly snide statements
Truth is trades like this are really hard to evaluate, since there are 7 players changing hands and only 2 of them are anything close to being known quantities (Wilson and Cedeno). Wilson is a pretty good SS, and Ronnie sucks.
Other than that, you have Snell, who throws hard, but is something of a flyball pitcher facing declining strikeout rates and deteriorating command in the last two years, throws hard, has depression issues and wants to meet Jesus, and throws hard. You have Clement, who doesn’t have a position, but destroys AAA pitching. He should make a “serviceable” first baseman if he hits enough – but nobody knows whether that will happen. Finally you get a triad of A-ball prospects that look decent, but nowhere to the quality of Perez.
The Mariners get a good SS for 1+ years (but do not solve their SS problem long-term), and a reclamation project with some tools. In return, Pirates get a hitting prospect with uncertain position, a backup infielder, and some generically decent, but not great prospects. I guess a lot would depend on what your views on Snell and Clement are. How would you evaluate the trade if it was split into two separate deals? The first being Snell for Clement, and the second Wilson for Cedeno, and the 3 A-ball kids?
Goldstein
Called it the best trade yet for the Pirates. Would you agree with that?
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
As opposed to what?
I’d say getting Tabata for Nady/Marte was better.
They’ve made some pretty bad trades. I like the guys they got for McLouth, but still don’t think they got near enough for him.
Laroche was a salary dump.
I love Nyjer Morgan and his plussy-plus defense, but I guess there’s some sort of chance Milledge could still tap into that superstar ceiling or whatever so I guess you can’t really fault them too bad for that one.
I hated their end of the Bay deal, though I guess Laroche could end up being good… maybe. At least there’s ceiling there.
Really all the did here was dump Wilson’s remaining salary for this year and get a pu-pu platter of mediocre peices for a guy who needed a change of scenery in Snell.
I don’t really think it’s a bad deal for the Pirates, I just think it’s gonna be a real boon for the M’s. Snell is a great buy-low guy, imo, and Wilson is slick as ass crap with the glove, which is exactly what they need over there.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
What would you have given up for Snell?
This deal strikes me as MaxRam + a couple of pitchers a little less than Beavan/Poveda territory (although a comp to Clement isn’t that easy in this system, I guess Salty with unimproved defense would have been the best).
I don’t know if I give that for Snell, even factoring in that what I wrote was probably a little more what Seattle actually gave up.
Go Rice Owls!
Would I have traded, say, Max + Lemon or Vallejo + Poveda or Boscan or Wieland for Ian Snell?
Probably.
He was one of my favorite buy-low candidates of this deadline trading period.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Errr... maybe that's a bit much, but you get the picture.
I like Ian Snell.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I think what Seattle gave up is in that ballpark, but maybe a bit more (given the # of A-ball arms).
If I were a team like Seattle, I’d be all over taking risks on guys like Snell. But I think it’s still definitely a risk for them, and the type of thing the Rangers shouldn’t be doing right now with this team where it is.
Go Rice Owls!
But the M's also got a very valuable piece (for them) in Wilson, so it's hard to say what they traded for Wilson and what went toward Snell.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if he meant this year
Or Huntington’s regime. I guess he meant this year, because I’d agree with the Tabata deal (Lets just hope his crazy wife doesn’t steal and more babies). Just curious to see if you saw this as a “loss” for Pitt or just liked it from the Mariners POV.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
Bryan Morris was also included in that Bay deal.
He hasn’t had a great season. Neither has Tabata
But meh trades or not, the Pirates are doing exactly what they need to be doing. They’re restocking what was one of the more barren farm systems in baseball.
Guys like Van Benschtoackmaoxk and Moskos have been replaced with guys like Morris and Lorin. Morris and Lorin may not be Feliz and Holland, but give them a little seasoning and they could still be key forces in that Pirates rotation in a few years.
What I mean to say is that the Pirates are getting deeper. And they still have Capps and Sanchez to deal if they want to
by oc on Jul 29, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Those level-headed geniuses!!!???
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, 99% of all reaction professional and amatuer alike don't think so
the preceding post was a great success.
Agree
Snell isn’t that good. While he could turn out to be good, there is a decent chance that he’s just a mediocre, LAIE. His contract is sort of team friendly, with a lot of options, but I don’t see him as a franchise cornerstone.
If anything, this helps the M’s NOT re-sign Bedard, which is good for the Rangers. Snell will put up good numbers in a great pitchers park and won’t be a big hurdle to the team.
Really, what this highlights to me is the utter failure of Clement. He’s a great reason why trading prospects is a good idea sometimes – guys often fail to take that final step. 3 years ago, Clement was the type of player teams would have been begging to get. Now he gets a mediocre, albeit talented, pitcher and a passable SS.
Go Rice Owls!
Fuck, it looks like I cribbed the change of scenery line from you now
Can’t see what others are posting with mobile posting.
by LiamP on Jul 29, 2009 11:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
especially in Seattle's park (Snell)
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
But that's the thing
Pretty much anyone can go to Seattle and it’d look like a win for the Mariners.
If Snell is a mediocre pitcher, he’s a mediocre pitcher even if he posts a 3.75 ERA in Safeco.
Go Rice Owls!
Yes
Clement’s knees are made of straw so he can’t catch. Noone else in that package is particularly valuable.
Wilson is arguably the best defensive SS in baseball and Snell screams “guy with fantastic stuff who needs a change of scenery”
That bald fuck knows what he’s doing
by LiamP on Jul 29, 2009 11:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lee to Philly
And they keep Drabek in the house, wow…
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by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
Fuck me in my penis hole.
We could’ve and should’ve bested that offer.
Damn, damn, damn, damn.
Shit.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Haven't been championing the acquisition of an Ace
Even though Lee’s numbers at the Temple scare me, that’s a deal I wouldn’t mind topping.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
What is the Rangers version?
Or what would top it?
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by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
There have been several of these trades that seem we could have bested.
Cause for concern?
by diamond_dave on Jul 29, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
no major trades please
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
The price'll be much higher.
In terms of dollars and prospects.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Could the Angels if they gave up Aybar?
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless the Angels wanna include Weaver and/or the Rays or Rangers come up with a way to absorb some payroll.
I mean, everyteam has interest in Royden, and most of them theoretically have the pieces to get him, but I don’t know that there’s another team out there with the combo of need/piecessalary flexibility needed to make a huge move like this.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Dodgers have to be lurking as well
especially now that the Phils may have picked up Lee.
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by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
They don't have the pieces unless you believe they're gonna trade Kershaw or Billingsley, which they're not.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
If I'm LA
and this year looks like the year for them to win (they are the best team in the NL, and look stronger than any AL team), then it makes sense to just go all-in for Halladay. I would trade Kershaw.
And if I’m Toronto, and I could get Kershaw, I’d even take him straight up for Halladay.
Go Rice Owls!
INteresting this is that the Dodgers have the easiest second half schedule
Not sure how that plays into Hallady. On the one hand it doesn’t seem they need him – on the other he would be make them fierce in short series.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
I thought
we heard about some “internal discussion” on Billingsley…
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
We hear a lot of things.
I’m not buying that unless there’s something wrong in the kid’s shoulder or in between his ears, ya gnome saying?
Billinsley is the real deal and he’s much, much cheaper.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think the only way the Angels get Halladay is to trade Weaver along with a bunch of other guys, which just strikes me as a dumb move for the Angels. Obviously Halladay is far preferable to Weaver, but he’s not enough of an improvement to justify gutting the top of their farm system and several years of Weaver’s team control.
The other benefit to the Angels, of course, is that the Rangers don’t get him.
I just can’t see the Angels having anything close to the type of offer from the Rangers could put up easily (Feliz + Davis + catcher + 1-2 mid pitchers) without completely gutting their system.
Agree with Josey that the Dodgers are much more a worry (though I don’t really care if he goes to the Dodgers)
Go Rice Owls!
You've got to be kidding me
Who the hell is Jason Knapp?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
A little lesser of a Martin Perez.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Except he's 6'5", 225, and pitches with his right hand.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
For some reason I thought he threw lefty... oh well.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Young stud righty with a bazooka arm. Made the 26-50 group in BA's mid-season top 50.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Philly would be better off ith Halladay
Is Riccardi overplaying his hand?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Toronto's options are dwindling. I hope he isn't traded now.
by diamond_dave on Jul 29, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you give up CDavis
and Feliz for Halladay?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
What if they want Salty thrown in?
Salty, Davis and Feliz for Halladay – I still do it and then I make a run at NJohnson.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes but Toronto's not doing that for some reason
JP is starting to piss me off.
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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I would try to get them interested in TT first
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
The Angels have to be lurking around for Halladay as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The Lee trade isn't finalized at the moment
Philly is probably making one last push to get Halladay without giving up Drabek
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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Holland: greatness
keep that attitude up…I believe he’ll catch fire one of these starts and he won’t look back.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions
Out of curiosity
The Astros, who have unexpectedly hung tough in the NL Central, are not expected to be trading deadline players. Their big move was the callup of their top pitching prospect, Bud Norris, from Triple-A Round Rock. Ace Roy Oswalt(notes) is out with a lower back strain and could be headed to the DL.
I know the Astro’s system sucks, but where would this guy rank in our system??
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
25?
30??
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
Bud Norris would comfortably make the top 10 even with Purke and Scheppers included.
by LiamP on Jul 29, 2009 1:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure...
I pulled that out of my ass. Completely random. Trying to blow some smoke, for no reason at all.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
x
JonathanMayoB3: I’ve gotten confirmation that reports (Ken Rosenthal) on Lee deal are accurate: Knapp, Marson, Donald, Carrasco in return for Lee+ one
less than 5 seconds ago from web
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
12:38pm: MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki hears that Ben Francisco would also come to Philly in the possible deal.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
mlb trade rumors
also says that Ben Francisco would be going to Phili as well.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
What a ridiculous steal if true.
Philly just ownershipped the fuck out of Cleveland.
Shapiro should retire in shame.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The Ben Francisco throw-in is huge.
My question, though, is that why don’t you trade that exact same package + Kyle Drabek for Halladay?
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
yeah
if you look around the NL, Lee was probably sufficient to assure them a spot in the playoffs, and they’re going to need a little luck to get past the Dodgers regardless of whether they got Lee or Halladay. Lee gets them close enough without sacrificing their future too much.
I also bet they read the tea leaves (saw what Toronto was demanding) and figured that LA wouldn’t trade for Halladay.
Go Rice Owls!
They must really like Knapp
And you’ve got to think they’re going to trade Victor Martinez now. Though you’d have thought that if they were going to get Buchholz + Bowden from the Sox they’d have made that deal before this one. I have to think that this trade hurts their leverage with Martinez.
Go Rice Owls!
Yeah
I looked through the list and nobody really blew the pate back.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm playing Verlander tonight
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Seattle-Pirates addendum
The Pirates are also including a “significant” amount of cash. ALso, Seattle will likely pick up Wilson’s option for next year.
In the near term it is a goo trade for Seattle, long term probably Pittsburgh.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
damnit.
we need to pull off a trade where we get “significant” cash.
I, too, personally would like to pull off a trade like that. What do I have to offer though…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
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