Cliff Lee traded to the Philadelphia Phillies
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2009 12:55 PM CDT
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PrintKen Rosenthal reports that Cliff Lee is heading to the Phillies:
The Phillies have reached agreement on a trade that would bring them left-hander Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco from the Indians for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to major-league sources.
Knapp is apparently the key guy.
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Knapp
=Font?
Would Font, Lemon, Teagarden/Salty, and Tommy Hunter have accomplished this trade for Texas?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
Don't trade Tommy Hunter
I really like that kid, even though he’s went to Bama!
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by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Jul 29, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer!
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by Haeger Champ on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Hunter, despite his ‘Bama roots, might be something special. He’s young and cheap—I don’t think I’d part with him, even to get Halladay, right now.
What did you think 6 weeks ago?
Maybe you’ve always liked him a lot, I don’t know, but don’t let one good run effect your opinion TOO much.
the preceding post was a great success.
I know--but it's such an uncanny run
Maybe you’re right—he’s at his peak value, but it would tough to let him go
Agree Shepp this is ridiculous
These people said the same stuff about Matt Harrison when he was rolling earlier this year but that sentiment is gone.
wonder what our equivelent package would be
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
Font/Vallejo/Tea/PovadaORKiker
Lee’s only set to make 2 mil this year. Why couldn’t the Rangers pull this off? This of course assuming the above package is the equivalent
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
You could even take a little off and pass on Francisco, you ask me.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
True
Even involving someone like Beavan OR Beltre would have been acceptable. This money issue with Hicks sucks balls, they have to find a way to not jeopardize a potential playoff run this year.
So Francisco wouldn’t have been an upgrade over any of the present guys?
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Jul 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
anything not involving the top 4...
i think i would have done
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
makes sense salary-wise too, he’s making much less than Halladay. I don’t get it really. I wonder if Riccardi’s asking price goes down. Certainly puts Texas back in play for him since I imagine JP doesn’t want to trade him to Boston or New York. If they demand only one of the top four, we have to do it.
Went and looked at Ben Francisco's #'s.
Didn’t know he was that old, and that he’s not nearly as good as I thought he was.
2010 Philly OF
Every current starter is either under contract or team control for next year. Maybe Francisco will be the 4th OF? Victorino injured his ankle recently, maybe he can take some time off and not have it hurt the team all that much? Fangraphs won’t load for me, so does anybody have some defensive numbers for Francisco? How does he compare to the current starters?
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Goes both ways
1) teams don’t have a fallback option if they can’t land Halladay
2) takes the Phillies out of the running for Doc.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Buyers?
After the Wilson/Snell trade, some people are saying the M’s are now buyers.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Rangers Now?!?!
So can the Rangers swoop in now with a package headlined by Smoak OR Feliz?
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I saw, the M's plan on extending Wilson, meaning it's not just for this year
Isn’t Snell a “for the future” kind of guy too? Seems like this is a good way to get rid of a crappy hitter (Cedeno) and get some pieces for the future, with what happens this year being a bonus. Washburn isn’t part of the team’s future either so I would think they’re working the phones on him.
Snell
Snell is definitely for the future. I don’t necessarily agree with the pronouncement that the M’s are buyers. Maybe the hold on to Washburn, let the season play itself out, hope for the best, and collect the draft picks. I don’t know, but these moves help now and in the future (especially if the sign Wilson).
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
They've pretty much said they're gonna pick up Wilson's option for next year, so he'll help at least 1.3 years.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Option
Did not know it was an option; should’ve checked Cot’s. Thanks for the clarification.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Not so sure...
I think this hurts the market for Doc and the Jays. The Phillies got Lee without giving up any of the guys that the Jays wanted for Halladay. I still think JP really need to deal Halladay. They have a weak system and won’t be able to win the East next year. I think this deal forces the Jays to lower their asking price. There are still other lower tier pitchers available that other teams could settle for rather than giving up the farm for Halladay and I think other teams are going to be more willing to do that unless the price comes down.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Thought about it more and I agree with that
Phillies got to keep Drabek and pick up a nice pitcher. Maybe JP will get it through his skull that people really aren’t in the mood to screwed even for Hallady.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
You think asking for Drabek was trying to screw the Phillies?
I mean, I like the kid a lot, but, that seems a bit strong, no?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Phillies thought it was a screwing or else they would have offered Drabek
The Phillies drew their line in the sand and didn’t back down. That should give JP some pause.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
No, it shouldn't.
The Phillies offer wasn’t good enough for Halladay, imo.
This is rather ridiculous logic on your part.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Lessens the asking price if you ask me because the top team interested in him
just disappeared. Also, Toronto probably doesn’t really want to trade him to Bos or NYY.
this should help screw the blue jays
takes the philles away……jays lose some leverage.
price was much…much….lower than what the blue jays have been asking.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
Toronto
Wonder if that offer from Boston is still on the table for Halladay? Has anyone heard what the offer have been for VMart? Could Boston get both players?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
According to what I've read and heard
that offer from Boston was never on the table for Halladay.
(If you’re talking about Buchholz+Bowdon+Westmoreland)
I would have really liked the Rangers equivilant of this
Especially if you can drop francisco and give up even less in prospects.
the preceding post was a great success.
true...
The Indians didn’t seem to shop Lee around much…
they probably could have gotten a better deal from us.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate throwing this out there
again but do you think payroll constraints took the Rangers out of the running?
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
No - Lee is cheap as hell
4/$15.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
More I think about it...
this is a heartbreaker.
All I can imagine to acquit JD is Cleveland liked Philly’s version better, JD hedged on giving up Teagarden (and/or they didn’t like Pina), or Rangers brain trust didn’t think Lee would play well at the ballpark.
But right now this is a lose.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
Or it was about money
and the indians either wouldnt eat some of it, or wanted too much in return to do so.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
What's Francisco's contract situation?
Was that a salary dump by Cleveland that they wouldn’t do the deal without?
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
1 year/$0.4214M (2009)
francisco was probably more about clearing room for laporta
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
if it was money....
we are not adding anybody then….what was Lee owed? It could not have been but maybe 2 mil.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee
- 09:$5.75M,
10:$8M club option ($1M buyout) - price of 2010 option increases to:
* $9M with Cy Young in 2008 (met) or 2009
* $8.75M with 2nd or 3rd in Cy Young vote in 2008 or 2009
pretty affordable for a cy young winner
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
$2 million???????
I kinda don’t think so, even with Hicks’ situation.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee
Hes actually a really nice contract, its probably the 8mill next year they would have wanted some cushion from.
Of course everything is speculation, they might have not been interested in lee
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
$8m is a ton
But it’s covered by Benoit and Blalock falling off.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
And Padilla and Byrd.
But you also have to factor in some raises for guys like Hambone, Ceej and Two Frank.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
we talk a lot about the guys coming off the books, but not the guys who will get significant raises (especially MY) next year.
Still $ coming off the books, but not as much as many think.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I thought it was an estimated $ 20 million coming off the books this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
Here.
Link.
Young’s raises have already kicked in, btw.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
And it is only $12M/yr
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Ambiguous pronoun, ftw.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand why...
…people keep saying this.
It has been reported pretty widely, both locally and nationally, that the Rangers can’t add payroll, that they’d have to get the other team to eat what was left this year on any substantive deal or move another player to make room in the budget.
I don’t understand why people keep thinking that’s a smokescreen.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess they keep thinking back to Hicks' long running mantra of "For the right player..."
Like what happened with Sheets, etc.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
If Cleveland really liked Knapp
and thought of him in the way that the Rangers (and we) think of Perez, then it would have cost us a lot more than just Font + as people are saying.
Go Rice Owls!
Yah, Knapp > Font.
I like Perez quite a bit more than Knapp, but Knapp is a top 50 guy right now according to BA, and he has TORG stuff.
Something along the lines of Perez/Moscoso/Teagarden/Arias
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
which I wouldnt have done
Perez = deal breaker
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
And I don't give that for Lee
I may think about it, but I don’t. Halladay yes, Lee no.
Go Rice Owls!
Guess I have to defer to BA/scouts
Going by K/BB Knapp looks much more like Font than Martin.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 29, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah, I like Perez quite a bit more than Knapp.
I dunno, like prisoners forced to wear pad-locked iron undewear, it’s tough to directly compare packages.
I’m
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ahhh... hit post too soon.
Meant to say that I really do like Knapp a lot, though.
I just don’t think much at all of Marson or Donald. Maybe I need to do more research, but I don’t really dig either of those guys.
Carrasco’s a prety interesting ready-now piece, I suppose.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Donald
Wasn’t Donald getting a lot of hype recently, but had a huge set back at the beginning of the year?
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
He may be
But there is a lot of subjectiveness when looking at prospects. And each team will view another team’s players differently. We sit here thinking that Perez and Smoak are our golden boys, but it may be that Toronto really would prefer Font and Davis to them, for whatever reason. Who knows – different scouts, different philosophies, different priorities.
So what happens? Toronto asks for Perez and Smoak, JD offers Font and Davis, the deal gets done, everyone is happy! But people scream that Toronto got ripped off, but Toronto got their guys.
Go Rice Owls!
I think this makes it much more possible we land Halladay.....
I am still only dealing only 1 of our top 4 to them.
a Holland/Davis/Font trade has to look much more appealing now.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
I dont
I think halladay is going to one of the big spenders, or hes staying put
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
either way. We can't afford the salary.
:-(
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by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Ding
He will not waive the no trade to come to Texas because the park scares him, imho.
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The twins were told they were not on his list...
would they have not done the same when Texas called?
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
or they want to keep texas in the mix with the press
to drive up the price
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
yeah saw it last night
im thinking
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I don't think Toronto wants to go there
Its not nice to burn bridges with other GMs
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
unless its mutually benefitial
JD gets to look like hes in on the big deal.
but then again I believe ive heard that JP is a bit of a prick anyway
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
and help JD
pretend we’re in on this to appease the fans.
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by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
No, that's not me
but it is exactly what is keeping me from getting too excited about the Rangers being in it for Halladay.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
Ha!
No. I’m a big JD fan, but with the current ownership he doesn’t appear to have much to work with.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Collidge
by hubcityraider on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no way Josey Donuts thinks Daniels is smart enough to "pretend".
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Grant said Hallady would waive it for Texas.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
and TR said Halladay wouldn't waive it
so who knows.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure who to trust
because TR is the loudest house organ for the team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
Well
maybe so, but I haven’t seen a direct quote from someone in the Jays org or Halladay himself that has said one way or the other.
So who knows.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't talk to us if he wouldn't.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
They*
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point I guess
But it could all be media manipulation too.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
To drive up the price for everyone else
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
cause their farm system
sucks the big one.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Don't they have some good pitching
in AAA?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
That's like saying
we have a broken piece of crap and an inconsistent 28 year old to front the package.
Oh wait, that is saying that.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Not with his current
stuff he can’t. It’s been a long time sense the surgery, he still doesn’t have everything back.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Soooo, we need to offer McCarthy and who?
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
I don't know
Nippert?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Wow, I must like Baker quite a bit more than you.
I think he’s a really valuable piece.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a 28 year old (in September)
with 4 years service time already who’s had injury issues and inconsistency. I don’t know what’s so valuable about him.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Cot's has him at 2.12 coming into this year.
Extnsion @:
10:$3M, 11:$5M, 12:$6.5M, 13:$9.25M club option
Solid peripherals.
I’d love to get my hands on Scott Baker.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, huh. Uh, huh.
More pressing issues at hand.
When are you going to take the spriteman bailout package?
Trade for Ian Snell.
Ugh. Was just thinking that.
Losing Lee hurts my balls.
Need time to think…
Second straight year my ace gets dealt to the NL mid-season.
The universe hates me.
Worked out okay last year, though.
I’ll look at it and shoot you an e-mail.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I lost him too
just hoping the other team in my division loses Halladay soon. Come on LAD!
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by Haeger Champ on Jul 29, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, they straight up told Minnesota no.
So, don’t you think we would have heard the same thing about Texas, unless are are just using each other.
That's my assumption as well
It’s the worst kind of irony that the only hurdle to not getting Roy is money at this point. Well that and JP’s ridiculous demands of course.
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by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
likely due to Maddux and Nolan being here
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Maybe, maybe not...
1:32pm: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi hear that Halladay would consider a deal to the Rangers, but would be more likely to accept deals to Boston, the Dodgers, the Angels or the Yankees.
Well they did say the AL East teams had an in-division premium
And now the major NL East team got their guy.
Maybe we have an advantage among the teams left?
Not that i think it will happen, I’ve moved on. I want SOMETHING to happen though.
the preceding post was a great success.
I can't see Toronto not trading him now.
They’re in the same position as Texas was with Teixeira. They almost have to trade him now.
Go Rice Owls!
JB
They could probably wait for the off-season and still get a nice package.
They also might see the wisdom in letting other teams negotiate a long-term deal with Halladay as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
I really think it comes down to we won't offer the package Toronto really wants, and
Doc can read. He knows how he pitches in Arlington. He’s Doc “I only throw mother fucking complete games” Halladay. It might be the offense that has made him look bad here, but I think it has more to do with Arlington and da “HEAT!”
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So we have missed out on Garko, Snell, Lee at what seem to be reasonable prices,
at least to us, are the financial constraints the problem here?
Or, it could be that
As mentioned above, the trading teams simply liked the packages they got better than whatever it was that we may or may not have been offering.
by Outworlder47 on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Snell was a reasonable price....
and the more I think about it, Cleveland would have wanted Perez….and I do not want to go there.
Garko maybe….but Barnes is a good prospect.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Seattle got screwed...
in the Wilson/Snell deal imho.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I think this means...
Halladay ends up in Boston or in LA with the Dodgers.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
How on Earth are the Dodgers gonna swing that?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Billingsley?
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"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
It's Ned Colletti
Carlos Santana and Jon Meloan for Casey Blake?
Yeah, I think I can definitely see it.
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"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Good point.
That deal nearly made my head explode.
Upon hearing about it I suffered a sever psychoitc break, wandering alone for weeks in the wooded area behind my house and, according to police reports attained after the fact, I became so dissolusioned that at one point during my downward spiral I somehow attempted to devour my own genitals.
I mean… Really? For Casey Blake?
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
No Additional Money
It was stupid, but the goal was to not take on any additional payroll, not make a sound baseball transaction.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be...
but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did Billinglsey, Loney, and a low prospect for him.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I can see it.
Torre could just point to the beating Billingsley took in the playoffs last year and sell Colletti on the need for Halladay.
Trade for Ian Snell.
Not to mention
he’s in the middle of a big funk right now. You want that guy to be your #1 in a WS run?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Kershaw + LaRoche???
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Jul 29, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Neal Huntington
would be a real bad GM if he allowed Ned Colleti to trade his players.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Kershaw
Theyve pretty much said he’s untouchable
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
How stupid are the Jays if they deal him to Boston...
to me Buchholz is not that great of a picther that I would want him from the Angels and give them Halladay knowing that he will most likely sign an extension with them at some point…
dumb to trade top pitchers in your division
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Get the best package available.
If it happens to be in your own division, so be it, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
and Boston’s pitchers and prospects >> Angels prospects.
Just depends on if Boston is willing to give up guys like Buchholz, Bard, Masterson, et al.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
People who are fans
of games that finish under 3 hours or people who likes owning lab tops.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Dodgers need to be motivated to do something now more than later
because I don’t know how much longer you can expect Manny to be productive.
They may feel a Billingsley/Halladay trade straight up makes them better in the post-season this year (it probably does).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
It could be possible.....
If I am toronto I would much rather have Billingsley than Buchholz…..and to not help out the redsox.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This from MLB trade rumors
1:32pm: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi hear that Halladay would consider a deal to the Rangers, but would be more likely to accept deals to Boston, the Dodgers, the Angels or the Yankees.
…..i don’t like the sound of that. He has a list…..we are either on it or not.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
That sounds to me
like Jays trying to keep us in it so they can drive the price up for another team that he would for sure accept a trade to.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Halladay would accept a deal to Texas
Otherwise it would have been reported already. It was reported that he said he won’t go to Minnesota.
Well, it's possible
we don’t really know.
I just have my doubts
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It has been reported.
By TR Sullivan. Evan says the oppoisite, but I think EG has major wood for Halladay. Read the roundtable, and u get the impression he would give the entire farm for him.
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Cleveland fire sale.
Go after V-Mart. Include Davis in the deal, and roll with Smoak/Martinez in the coming years.
"Ho visto il tuo agire, non solo rendono per me. Basta un sacco di fluff".
Hell no...
you don’t trade Davis for Victor Martinez.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
No Davis trades...
unless it’s for Halladay. I realize many here have given up on CD, but not me.
Trading him now is like selling him for .40 on the dollar.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Um, not if the .40 is Victor Freaking Martinez it's not.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
LMAO Exactly...
If getting Martinez for Davis is .40/$, JD should have traded Davis this past offseason while his stock was soaring…
when healthy
hes not overrated for a catcher/dh
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
"When healthy"
Words every Rangers fan should fear when considering a trade.
What I thinking but not writing(and figured eveyone else knew)
No way that deal is straight up. MaxRam and another 2nd tier prospect, at minimum, would have to be included. Hence .10/$1
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JD didnt trade a catcher last offseason?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 29, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh, I guess
Laird doesn’t count.
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"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 29, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Why would the Indians take Marson, and how did the Phillies sell them on a package without Taylor or Brown???
by LiamP on Jul 29, 2009 1:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Cleve/LAA starts in 45 minutes
Couldn’t find box score with line-ups but it might be quite telling.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
From Sherman
Ricciardi tells Sherman he expects to keep Halladay through 2010 and try to win next year.
Ricciardi is so full of shit it’s amazing. He’s a loser.
No Aybar in line-up for LAA
VMart & KMorales are both playing today.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
no kidding
i don’t think I hate anyone in baseball more. smug dick
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Of course he is going to say that....
most of his leverage left when the Phillies aquired Lee.
To tell you the truth….it would not suprise me if Ricciardi fucks this up and doesn’t deal him now.
He was offered a BMW, but held out for the lamborgini….
by the offseason he may only get a fully loaded accord.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
not that anything is wrong
with a fully loaded accord.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 29, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
unless you could have had a BMW
for the same price
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe there were alligators
on the car lot.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 29, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He said the same thing
back in Feb on the MLB Network.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
KLaw
KLaw will be on ESPN Radio at 4:10 ET to talk about the trades.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions
THE KLAW
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Or on what you're looking for in terms of straight laced and always serious baseball talk versus intentionally smarmy scattershotting flamebait artist. .
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
he really wasn't
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Yes,
he really was.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
That was never the point.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis
I heard Law mention that he never expected to see Davis put up the numbers he did this year. He expected him to regress, but not suck.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Radio Hits
His radio hits are much more snark free, probably because he is not bombarded with an infinite number of stupid questions/comments.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Its easy to be smarmy
when you get inundated with a lot of idiotic questions from clueless fucks.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Quantity Over Quality
KLaw said that Cleveland took quantity over quality. Knapp is the wild card, but Law dislikes his arm action and was probably available for the trade because he has been shutdown due to shoulder fatigue. The other players are close to the Majors, but don’t have a high ceiling. According to Law, these prospects are similar to their farm system (no real guy that jumps out as you as a future above average player). If Law were to do the trade, he would ask for only two, higher ceiling prospects as opposed to what they got. As far as he knows, Cleveland did not make this deal because of money.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 29, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I still can't figure out this deal.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Hypothetical.
Price has come down, and Ricciardi calls you and says, “Feliz, Davis, Teagarden and Beaven for Halladay. Final offer; take it or leave it.”
Do you pull the trigger?
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Font, Ross, Main, Perez, Wieland (Scheppers, Purke)
by oc on Jul 29, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Those guys are all nice...
but losing Feliz would still hurt me as well. I really think that kid is going to be special. That said, I still do that deal.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Yes...
just have to hope HIcks would be willing to sign off on it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
twice
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 29, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
but I wanna sub Salty for TT.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
Swap out Davis
and add Hank and Moreland. Blalock helps offset $$$ and Moreland gives them a possible 1B. Hank also has a chance to be a type B FA.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Hank and Moreland have zero net value
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Hank is due ~$2M for the
remainder of 2009. It would hlep offset Halladay’s contract.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Why would the Blue Jays take Blalock and Moreland instead of Davis?
They wouldn’t.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Because I want them to. :)
You’re right. They wouldn’t do it.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
We also need to be adding hitters to the big club while retaining Hank
even if we trade for Halladay (still think we’re being strung along in this for pr purposes).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
Now if you wanna get creative and help your team
you could trade Blalock and something else with the big club, plus prospects for NJohnson & Willingham.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
Is this the creative solution you were advocating before?
You ignored my questions from this morning, so I’m disappointed to see you pushing the same arguments just a few hours later. Normally you run away for a day or two before trying again.
Yes, trading Blalock will have to be very, very creative.
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by inactive lsb user on Jul 29, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not that difficult
“Seriously, that guy really, really is Justin Smoak. He just got a few tattoos in the last couple days.”
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Jul 29, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
WRECKED
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 29, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If they were going to get creative
They would try to trade Padilla’s contract to the Dodgers for Hu and package Hu in a deal for Halladay.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 29, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
M's just traded Balentien for righty Robert Manuel
via mlbtraderumors
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Isn't he someones cousin on here?
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
From SI
Right now, the Rangers have one of the strongest farm systems in the sport, bolstered in large part by that July 2007 Teixeira deal. But Texas is strapped for cash. The Rangers have told teams that they would trade from their bountiful prospect base as long as teams pick up a lot of veteran salary. Texas badly wants to add Halladay. For now, though, Toronto is showing no desire to eat any money to trade arguably the best pitcher in baseball.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joel_sherman/07/29/significant.trades/index.html
I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.
If that's true it would piss me off
You don’t throw in prospects to save some cash. That’s what was so annoying about the Abreu to NYY deal from a few years ago. All they had to do was pick up his salary.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Our big tradeline deal will be....
Feliz for 5 million cash.
the preceding post was a great success.
I would shoot myself in the head.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Not go all Josey on you, but if Hicks actually tried to force JD into doing this I think Nolan would haul Hicks outside and do that thing where you tie a guy up by his feet and drag him behind your horse as you ride through town waving your hat.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that kind of makes sense
i think we can now say hicks is the worst owner in baseball
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
At least the soccer team is throwin down!
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by inactive lsb user on Jul 29, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont know how possible this is
but i bet Mike Young Would defer some of his salary if we could add halliday, of course the Players union would likely not allow this.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
So who all thinks that Halladay simply does not get traded before the deadline?
I think he is staying put
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
I still think one of the major markets deals for him...
mostly Boston.
If he isn’t traded…Riccardi blew it bigtime.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
it makes so much sense
that he won’t trade within his division…TOO much sense. Texas, Anaheim…who else? The White Sox?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he stays put
The Lee deal kinda set the market and now after his bluster, JP can’t take a deal that has already been rejected.
Of course, I really didn’t expect him to get dealt anyway. I just don’t think that he can stomach trading him to Boston.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Jul 29, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see it happening w/out Weaver, and I don't see it happening with Weaver.
If that makes any sense.
I mean, what’s their trump card without him? Saunders or Reckling + Wood + Aybar + Bourjos? Meh.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Would the Angels, with Vlad & THunter both getting a year older and losing Lackey to free agency
feel the urgency to win now and trade Weaver for Halladay?
Possibly, it’d make their team better.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
OT.
mlbtraderumors: RT @nyp_joelsherman Giants definitely getting Freddy Sanchez, a source tells me.
14 minutes ago from web
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
I know that
there are some mixed opinions on alderson but do you really think they would pay that much?
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
I bet not.
Alderson is a much better prospect that the guy that headlined the deal for Cliff Lee IMO.
No way SF deals him for Freddy Sanchez.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Freddy Sanchez is a pretty valuable player.
And i’ve read that Alderson isn’t as good as his numbers.
Hell to the no.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, so maybe i overestimated Freddy and underestimated Tim
The teams are discussing John Bowker, Kevin Frandsen and Jesus Guzman.
Anything special about those guys?
My guess the special part for Pitt is gonna be SF taking on quite a bit of that contract.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think those guys are all mid twenties Royce Huffman types
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Gammons just told by JP Ricciardi
that it is unlikely he will be dealt at this year’s tradeline.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
until the deadline is over....
anything out of his mouth or other GMs mouth to the media is complete bullshit
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I expected him to say
“yeah its 99% done, im just waiting them out to see if I can get the last prospect, but if not Ill do it anyway”
the preceding post was a great success.
still, this "hollywooding" is unneccessary
does he think he is some badass that’s conning the rest of the league? I could see him going on a radio station and then telling a caller, “Yeah, when I said I wasn’t going to trade him, I knew I was but I totally faked out Theo. Cause I’m cool like that. So quit asking me why my team sucks all the time – I know what I’m doing!”
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
it's just standard operating procedure for most GM's
disinformation
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 29, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
No reason
not to put off the trade til next offseason or next midseason.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Peak value is now. Cashing in later would be a mistake
by oc on Jul 29, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Not necessarily.
It depends as much on the number of buyers as the time remaining. Now that Philadelphia is out, maybe they wait until more bidders are in next year.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
It's possible
But with winter trades teams can’t be sure what they’ve got. When you do a mid-season trade teams have played a half season and know whether they’ve got a serious shot or not which could make them willing to give more if it puts them over the top.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
he = Halladay
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
okay thanks for clearing that up
because I thought JP was getting traded.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 29, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Good deal for both
Cleveland got a decent deal for a guy who was in the minors 2 years ago in Lee. Philly gets a good starter to make a run at back-to-back titles. I have always liked Ben Francisco, too.
"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008
So it's a good deal cause Lee was in the minors?
Oh, jeez.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it was a killer deal
for the Phillies personally. They got the second best pitcher on the market and didnt give up any of their top 3.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
it kills me that money could have actually played a part in this
at least we didn’t compensate by giving up more prospects.
goddamn i hate hicks.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
yep, exactly
its a great deal for phillie, picked up a guy who is cheaper in terms of dollars than Roy, nearly as productive without giving up a top 25 prospect…. great, great move imo. I like the guys the indians are getting, i really do, but none of them standout to me. I do like how the Indians have really focused on building a core that is about a year or two away from reaching ML productiveness. I hope it works out 4 them. The phillies window is this year and next and they got a perfect piece to help them along in that
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
No
my point is just that he’s turned it around and they were able to turn him into something.
"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008
TR on Galloways show right now!
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
TR, ever the house organ is making excuses for the team
“Are you going to win the World Series if you trade for Halladay?”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
ghtd36
There are no unbeatable juggernauts in MLB this year and this Ranger team is positioned quite well for the stretch run with two avenues to the post-season available.
Nobody knows what’s going to happen in a World Series. ‘69 Mets, ’73 Mets (who extended the great A’s dynasty team to 7 games), ’81 Dodgers, ’88 Dodgers, ’97 Marlins, ’03 Marlins, ’06 Cards….planned for or not, the window of opportunity is open.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
And that explains why you call TR Sullivan "the house organ"?
Bitter at everything, man. Cool your blood pressure.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
TR
No, he calls TR the “house organ” because he doesn’t like that Sullivan isn’t critical of the team more often, despite being an employee of said team.
Surprising, really, that TR wouldn’t criticize the people who sign his paychecks more often…
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
RCCook
TR didn’t criticize the team when he was with the Startelegram either.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
TR
He was also a beat writer then.
Beat writers and team-employed writers are the last two groups of people I expect to launch into scathing criticism of the team they cover. I don’t know why that’s such a surprising concept to you.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
Sportswriters like TR Sullivan are annoying
because they tell you the things the ballclub wants you to hear without questioning them.
He’s also boring as hell to read.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
TR
obviously steals his information from here.
not from me, mind you, but from this site.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 29, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
jesus
TR just said that Byrd should help relieve some of the pressure in the lineup while Hamilton finds his swing
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
meh
the indians aren’t exactly great right now
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Their offense is doing pretty well lately and Laffey is ok.
’tis not hopeless
the preceding post was a great success.
MLB.TV not working for me
Anyone else having this problem?
by Outworlder47 on Jul 29, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm listening to the game on Cleveland's radio feed
And an ad was talking about Indians fandom and fans having a Chief Wahoo tattoo and being a card-carrying member of the Cliff Lee fanclub.
Not no more.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
i assume
if we can’t afford lee then we probably can’t afford victor martinez either right? this deadline blows
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Lackey hits two of first three batters
to start the game.
Perralta up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
Tribe fail with risp
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
Nice Shoppach
Allows a runner to reach by letting a strikeout pitch get by him, allows him to 2nd by letting another get by him. both catchable.
the preceding post was a great success.
geez
M’s steal Snell and Wilson and Phillies get Lee for that??
Maybe if we had a crappy farm we could have done both…
usa
Kendrick and his sparkling .259 AVG is at the plate.
Runners, first and second. Two out.
Some close line-drive fouls by Kendrick in this at-bat, as the Angels seek to capitalize on a Shoppach error
Shake That Laffey Taffey!!!
That Laffey Taffey!!!
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 29, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
hah.
“my name is Achoo”
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
apparently JD hasn't "wowed" toronto yet...
“We’d have to be wowed,” Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi told ESPN’s Peter Gammons. “And we haven’t been wowed.”
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
nice ha
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 29, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I could see him selling Ricciardi on the deal...
You need a little young pitching to spice up your team???? POW!!! Blake bevean…..you need a toolsy outfield….BAM we will throw Engle Beltre.
Everyone loves my nuts, but you will love Wilmer Font!
I’d slap a hooker to make that deal!
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
also....
After 30 days if you are not completely satisfied with our offer you can get a money back GUARANTEE!
note: Guarantee does not apply outside of the u.s.
by death of the cool on Jul 29, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not big on the Phillies, or Cliff Lee for that matter...
but how disgusted must Mets fans be right?
Not only are they terrible, not only is that organization caving from within, but now the first place team in their division (and defending World Series champs) just landed the defending AL Cy Young award winner.
so you're saying we should go get Santana...
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
think he's available?
:) That’d be cool.
ISmoak + Holland for Halladay and then
Feliz + Perez for Santana
Then, Bud, can we have more money?
Top 5th
still 2-1 angels
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Nick Johnson very, very available on the cheap
“More likely, Washington will in the next few days explore trade possibilities for reliever Joe Beimel, utility man Willie Harris and first baseman Nick Johnson. The market for Johnson has taken a serious dive, if only because Boston and San Francisco — two teams that had an interest in the soon-to-be-free agent — both acquired first basemen within the last week. But Beimel, currently in a one-year deal with Washington, and Harris, in a two-year deal, both have value to contenders. Beimel has a 1.89 ERA since June 1. "
No acceptable excuses for this not to happen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
how cheap?
He is still owed ~$2.5M for this year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
The Angels are dinking and dunking again.
"Elvis Andrus has just preformed a MIRACLE!"
-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09
by Jason Brynsvold on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions
I know a chant that will get to Verlander but it requires three drunk men
by oc on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
HOW THE HELL DO THEY KEEP SCORING LIKE THIS!?!?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 29, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
contact + men on base + luck
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
more like
contact + luck.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Interesting SBN factoid
comments about the trade on the Philly site: 258
comments on LSB: 359
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
PhilFansForum
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
Well, at least Lee is off the table and not headed for La la land.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Although, on the downside, this elminates the Phils as suitors for Halladay
Which brings us a tiny step closer to trading a bundle for him. Halladay probably wasn’t going to go before Lee, but I would’ve rather seen Lee go to a team that hadn’t been among the frontrunners for Halladay – less temptation for us to do something stupid.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Really?
4:24pm: Ricciardi tells MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian that he probably won’t deal Halladay to the Phillies now that they have Lee. The Jays are still talking with other teams, including the Red Sox.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
JP Riccardi: king of the fucking obvious
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
Heh, wouldn't that be something, though?
The Phills turn around and deal Drbaek, Brown and Happ for Halladay… roll into the playoffs with a loaded lineup and a rotation featuring Doc, Hamels and Lee.
My baseball boner would explode through the top of my skull.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 29, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
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