Thursday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2009 10:08 AM CDT
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Well, that sucked. Back to 3.5 games out in the A.L. West. And that's probably been the most frustrating thing about this stretch...the Rangers have been hot and have been winning games, and they are basically spinning their wheels because the Angels just aren't losing.
Jeff Wilson writes that maybe the Rangers were due for a meltdown. Scott Feldman looked awful yesterday, and maybe put a damper on the "no, really, his peripherals don't matter because he induces weak contact!" silliness that has been peddled vis-a-vis whether he can sustain his current level of success. His ERA is now 3.99, and we're seeing his FIP and ERA start to converge, as would be expected.
Joaquin Arias was called up yesterday because of Ian Kinsler's tight hamstring. Kinsler is apparently close to being ready to go, though, and if he is, Arias could be sent down to make room for Warner Madrigal, whose presence will be necessary to supplement a tore-up bullpen today. The other alternative would be to option Guillermo Moscoso to make room for Madrigal.
Brandon McCarthy is throwing off a mound again, and hopes to be back in Arlington by mid-August.
MJH has some thoughts about the various potential trade targets out there.
There's also a roundtable discussion with Bob Sturm, MJH, and Evan Grant, that includes this interesting theory from MJH about the success of Ryan Drese that I hadn't heard mentioned before:
Mjhindman: Of course, I’m pretty sure that Drese was loading up the ball and got a warning to stop it. It was a poorly kept secret that Orel was a greaser.
Grant also says this about the attitude among the players vis-a-vis Halladay:
Evan: I think the players believe Halladay can change the race and the playoffs. I believe they think Halladay makes them the favorites for the division. I’d hate to see the reaction if Halladay gets traded and it’s to the Angels instead of the Rangers.
The players probably do believe that, and that's great, as it shows that they have confidence and believe in themselves.
But they are also wrong...the Rangers are 3.5 games behind the Angels, and with or without Halladay, they are longshots to pass Anaheim.
Evan says that he'd give the Blue Jays Feliz, Smoak, any minor league pitchers not named Martin Perez, and any minor league hitter to get Halladay. Presumably, that means Feliz, Smoak, Borbon, and Kiker, Main or Beavan. Too much, particularly given that it is a move being made for 2010, I think, not 2009, when adding Halladay still leaves the Rangers' playoff chances pretty remote.
It is hard to see how, after an 18 strikeout night where the offense once again looked like it was hitting with bags over its heads, Halladay is the difference maker on this team.
Robbie Erlin, a third round lefty high school pitcher out of Cali, signed yesterday.
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OT: deadline
Sean McAdam of the Boston Herald says the Indians already rejected a “one-for-one proposal [from Boston] that would have sent Clay Buchholz to Cleveland for Martinez.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1187952&srvc=rss
Surprised.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupid BoSox
They should just take Jarrod Saltalamacchia for Buchholz and like it.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the m.o. with that decision, also pretty interesting...
The Indians have done extensive studies of deals like this and found that teams which concentrate on “big league-ready” prospects as the centerpieces of these trades often make out the worst.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=4364642
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upside
The article goes on to say that the Indians go after upside, but KLaw said Knapp is the only one with upside, though he is currently experiencing shoulder soreness and Law dislikes his mechanics. The other three guys have limited upside. So the Indians value upside, but only one of the four prospects has upside.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 30, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So no one would trade Perez for Martinez straight up?
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely not
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then there's another source saying Boston rejected that same offer from Cleveland.
Link.
Martinez is not quite as appealing as Gonzalez, which is why the Red Sox, according to a major league source, rejected Cleveland’s initial offer of Martinez for Buchholz.
Oh, trading deadline.
I love you, but only because you abuse me so good.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And both are Boston papers...
Rich. Nice find.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what i read just a few days ago
im so confused i dont know who to believe!!!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw it, lets pull the trigger
David Murphy and Beltre for Eric Gagne
by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 30, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another sub par effort
Slippin.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are only 10 games left head-to-head.
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless there's been a new ruling
I think MLB still has the Wild Card and the Rangers are 1.5 games behind Boston.
Who has a better shot at the Wild Card with Halladay on their staff between Boston & Texas?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold
On this team by any means, but it is odd that AJM seems to never mention the wildcard.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston is a freaking mess right now (lost 2 of 3 to the A's)
and doesn’t look anything like a playoff team right now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if we acquire Halladay
Boston’s staff is better, and their hitting is a hell of a lot better (that’s if our hitting does not get back on track)
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think
However, they’re not winning.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston is 18-17 in their last 35 games while
Texas is 19-16.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhhhh…
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They still have a crapload of games to play against the Yankees and Rays
We run the West
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have three games left in Texas v. Boston
and we’re 5-1 v the Red Sox this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't get Bud's memo?
The wildcard is only allowed to come from the AL East.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah by my count
there are still 10 games left vs the Angels. There’s plenty of time to make up 3.5 games…not to mention only being 1.5 out in the wild card.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think AJM's been a bit too quick to pronounce us dead.
I don’t think we’re gonna pull it off, but he’s been burying us all season long.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Failure hurts less when you expect it
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 30, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you almost didnt :)
i saw your comment a few days ago about “WHEN” you get soria, not if
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh, yeah, i wasn't going to give up.
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hated losing his ratios more than the saves
but in the end it looked like i could make up tons of ground quick in offense
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I desperately needed the ratios
If i’m going to make up significant ground, it’s going to come in the pitching ratio’s department.
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could pull it off
but not without the offense ending the suck skid.
the offense is the far greater problem right now, going all in for an ace won’t help much unless hamilton and kinsler stop sucking
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I haven't
I was actually pretty optimistic in May and June.
I didn’t realize the offense was just going to up and quit on us.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lately
its been mostly Hamilton and Kinsler who are quitting. The rest of the offense has been pretty decent.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those two are pretty much the ones who are supposed to make this offense go though.
Without them, well… this is what we get.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offense
wasn’t the problem last night.
In general, I think our offense will be fine if Hamilton and Kinsler pull their heads out of their asses, or if we bench them until they do.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not going to get benched
At least Kinslers not. Hamilton could get on his way there, but that’s still a ways off.
In the meantime however, we’re left with nobody to carry the lineup, and the reality of it is we don’t have the fucking time to wait for Kinsler and Hamilton to pick their heads back up and screw them on.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me its just a shame
that its somehow inconceivable to bench a starter in a slump.
Afterall, Murphy, who has been one of our more productive bats this year (against righties anyway), sat through his slump and came out swinging.
I think the whole “you have to hit your way out of a slump” is just nonsense.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you are just resigned to the fact that with over 2 months to go kinsler and hamilton won't get it together?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
but when you trade major pieces from your farm system it is to add that one piece you are in need of to make a playoff run.
When you have to assume Kinsler and Hamilton get back on track it takes away from the purpose of putting it all in for that pitcher.
PLUS you have to assume the bullpen, Millwood, and Padilla all pitch the way they have this year. Plus get good starts from rookie Hunter and Holland.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to many ifs
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My optimism for This Thing
kicked in the night Hank F Blalock hit the walk-off v. LAA.
I knew what it meant at the time and then heard validation when Face spoke to the media after the game.
I need another shot to sustain me in the form of a JD trade that fixes this team’s weakness.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you didn't get the memo
4.5 games out was “stick a fork in us”, now that we’ve moved to 3.5 our outlook has improved to “longshot”.
I think it is ridiculous to be so hopeless about a season that has about 40% left to be played.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny thing is...
before the season, he was saying that the Angles weren’t that great, and the Rangers run prevention was likely to improve – possibly even to the point that they could be contenders with a few breaks. He was basically right, but now that his scenario is actually playing out, he’s trying to convince all of us that the situation is near hopeless, when the standings clearly indicate otherwise.
There is a lot of baseball to be played, including 6 head to head in the last 2 weeks of the season. If we can just basically hold our ground till then, there is a real chance we could take the division. And the wildcard is a viable possibility as well.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 30, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does AJM even like the Rangers?
Sometimes I wonder.
Texas Rangers, sometimes they are the windshield, sometimes they are the bug — Evan Grant
by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Jul 30, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
his attitude is much rosier when we are sub .500
it’s hard to figure.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 30, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's just pissed because the big club
keeps stealing all of the talent from the minors. AJM’s pennant is having the best farm system in the majors.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 30, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All signs lean towards option #1
If Doc Holliday is still a Blue Jay when I arrive at RBiA on Friday I will be a happy camper.
If he is a Ranger I’ll be recovering from the initial gut punch of whatever prospects may be lost and start looking forward.
If he’s an Angel I’ll be a sad panda.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Jul 30, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing I simply don't believe
JD will trade 3 of the Big Four for Halladay.
And I’m starting to think there’s at least some chance of a “quantity” trade that only involves one of them.
All that would sway things is the payroll situation, with Toronto buying prospects (ie, sending cash with Doc).
And underneath it all, I don’t think the payroll problem is so rigidly nonnegotiable.
J.P. wants Rangers booty.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's the question
Do you base that package around Smoak, Holland, or Feliz? I doubt the Jays want their headline name to be a kid in A, even though we all know how much potential he has.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they take a "quantity" trade
I make Holland and Perez available (but try to do it with Smoak or Feliz as headliner).
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if Chris Davis is still not hitting? Hate to see us trade Teixeira like player…. on a basis where we BELIEVE CD can be our 1B.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
given our lack of impact positional players, I’d make Smoak untouchable.
Its clear our offense is going to need lots of help, especially if Borbon is the future in CF, and you are having to carry bats at SS, C, and CF.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can find a servicable 1b a hell of a lot easier than we can effortless 100 degree heat
FA bats, especially ones at the corner, are available every yr.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with this offense the way it is performing
Do you think a “servicable” 1B is going to cut it?
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to be looking at this trade in a here and now vacuum
Thinking long term, yes, a servicable 1b will cut it.
Also thinking long term, a rotation chock full-o-Feldmans and Harrisons and Hunters won’t.
Otherwise, I really don’t understand your point. Is Smoak going to get called up in a few weeks and change our offense appreciably? I thinks not.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
but why deal Smoak when you have no idea who your 1B of future is?
I am looking at this trade realistically.
One ACE does not guarantee us playoffs. And no, a servicable 1B will not cut it. Not for me, when you have a future all-star waiting in your minors.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really pushing for the trade, per se
Just advocating that of the 4, Smoak should be the least untouchable.
I find this really puzzling:
One ACE does not guarantee us playoffs. And no, a servicable 1B will not cut it. Not for me, when you have a future all-star waiting in your minors.
So, essentially, you wouldn’t trade Smaok for anyone then?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade smoak + stuff for halladay
I just think it would be premature to deal him when we have so many questions on if C Davis will hit or not.
If C Davis hit earlier this season, I would have less of a problem dealing Smoak. However, our offense is ranked 22nd, and Smoak brings a factor only 1/3 of the lineup brings, which is the ability to work a count.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how
a serviceable 1B will cut it for us unless you forsee an Atlanta Braves of the 90s rotation.
Not getting much offense out of C,SS, and CF pretty much means you need quality production in the other spots, unless you are no longer counting on offense to carry the team.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why not sign an Adam Dunn or reasonable facsimile thereof?
I didn’t say servicable was the only way to go. Do you anticipate us being in a cash crunch for the next couple years?
My simple point is that while Smoak may be a mortal lock for above avg. production, he still fulfills a role that is much easier to replace than an elite pitcher.
I also think it is a little premature to be writng off any possibility of offense from the catcher. And I think we are advancing towards an era where yes, it is quite feasible that the offense won’t need to carry the team.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because signing an adam dunn means
paying 10 mil per year compared to a rookie minimum for smoak.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And another candidate emerges for Mayor of Superobviousville
Thanks.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then think before you ask a stupid question
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep these whip smart bon mots a comin
I’m learning so much.
Smoak has added value because he’s cheap. Nobody here thunk a that!
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
he is such a different hitter than any of ours at the big league level. patience, power, ability to hit for average.
with the way our financials are, you think it would be bright to allocate 10 mil to a position of 1b? rather than just bringing up a stud one from the minors?
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our financials?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
financial situation
do you read every post to find a typo?
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about you spend more of your time trying to find a rebuttle for my argument, thanks.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
as soon as you spend less time being stupid.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
you’re so awesome, do you sit home all day with your hand in your pants?
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
but it’s with both hands.
That simply isn’t a one hand job.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
at-least you have a sense of humor.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, Halladay's level of pitcher would be a cheaper FA sign?
You offer a false choice. Acquiring a hitter of Dunn’s caliber on the FA market would be markedly cheaper and less of a crapshoot than obtaining a pitcher of Halladay’s stature.
You frame this like I’m advocating giving Smoak away so we can sign Dunn.
The choice to me is clear: Would I rather have Feliz/Holland and Halladay, or Smoak and Halladay? I choose the former, b/c I can much more easily replace a top 10 first basemen than a top 10 pitcher .
And when you bring up money, you again seem to be stuck in the here and now only. I highly doubt this time next yr we are this strapped.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with that
I have no clue what a free agent list looks like for 1B. I still have confidence in C Davis to get it done, but nothing is guaranteed. I just think we are a year early in making a deal like this. Way too many questions surrounding this team imo.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
when you frame it that way, you leave out the possibility that Feliz or Holland blows out their arms and doesn’t see 25. At their ages, failure due to not adjusting to the bigs or injury is pretty high with Feliz and Holland, not so high with Smoak.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Feliz and Holland certainly are not guarantees. However, getting Halladay does not guarantee the playoffs either.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On this, I think everyone agrees
I’m not ignoring the fact that the pitchers face many more potential pitfalls than Smoak (although the tail end of injury nexus is about where both are).
The failure rate is another reason why you want to hang onto them. Counterweight to attrition.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
the odds for Smoak being a stud 1B are probably twice the odds of Feliz being a front line ace.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
No argument.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
when your SS, C and CF of the future give you next to nothing offensively, you need more than serviceable at 1B.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're assuming that C and CF are what they are.
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume CF
is Borbon, and C is one of Salty or Teagarden.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Borbon, true. I was thinking Hamilton.
C seems a lock to mostly be Salty’
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And those FAs cost money
unless you want a Brad Fulmer type of player.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can usually scratch together some decent 1b/dh production if you're willing to look for it.
Branyan/Abreu types are out there basically every year, just depends on if you’re willing to do the scrounging and can fight the right ones as opposed to Broussard types.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The easiest position on the team to fill is 1B.
And I don’t envision the financial issues being a long term thing, either.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see 2008 Rangers
Ben Broussard
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that one example clearly refutes the paradigm
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JP & Ranger booty
So if he pulls off a Halladay trade and gets that Ranger booty, would he have to change his name to “J.P. Riccarrr-di?”
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Jul 30, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going on Saturday
and I am excited to see Hunter throw against Felix.
I would not be excited to see Halladay in our dugout, however.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you did there
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 30, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody who says otherwise is lying out of their ass
If you saw Halladay in our dugout, you’d say ‘holy shit! We have a REAL ace!’
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say holy shit we have a year of Halladay!
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it.
I’d rather have had the Lee deal than the Halladay deal if it costs 3 prime prospects and 2 others.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in my opinion
the Halladay deal brings us to the top 5 in pitching ERA. However, that could mean we just lose a lot of 3-2 games, or 2-1, 1-0. It is sad when I get pumped when our lineup scores 4 runs in a game.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but I think my heart would skip about 17 beats when I saw the price tag.
Our financial future is so murky that I don’t know if I’d be comfortable at all making a deal for Halladay.
But, yes, there’d be a holy shit moment the first time I turned on the game and saw Roy Fuckin’ Halladay straddling the mound for Your Texas Rangers.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I mentioned above
Seeing the bounty of prospects go over would be a swift kick to the groin, but it’s hard not to get excited about a talent like that in a Ranger’s uniform.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Jul 30, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay
I dont really care where he goes (i prefer the rangers not sell the farm for a pitcher) just as long as it isnt to the angels
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta think the Sox.
A Halladay + Scutaro package just makes too much sense for them.
Buchholz + Lars + Three high-ceiling lotto tickets sounds about right.
Boston’s got so many lotto tickets in their lower minors I think they’re gonna cave in and include a couple of them to make a deal that solidifies the club down the stretch.
Hagadone, Pimentel, Reddick, Westmoreland, Kelly, Kalish, Hissy, Price, Almanzar, Tazawa, etc.
Their system is freaking LOADED.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could someone tell me why they are so reluctant to trade Westmoreland and Kelly
Im sure theyre very good, but theyre both in their first full year in A ball?…
by Horns130 on Jul 30, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I never knew that about Drese
That would definitely explain a lot.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 30, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I always wondered how fucking Ryan Drese had a 14 win/200 IP season.
Makes sense now.
by behindthebag on Jul 30, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it'd be premature to trade for Halladay
1. Our hitting approach is the worst it has been in awhile.
2. We don’t have some clarity on some of the issues at hand regarding the big league level. Yes I love Chris Davis, but what if he is not the one and we end up dealing Smoak? IMO, Smoak is a for sure thing. If he becomes expendable because CD returns to being a monster at the plate, then so be it.
3. Since when did we have such an abundance of pitching to give away an arm such as Feliz or Holland?
4. If the Texas Rangers want to build from the middle with their defense, it doesn’t , make much sense to deal Borbon.
5. Wait until you graduate guys like Borbon, Feliz, Holland (who will get better), and Smoak (who you need to see is your 1B of future, or is it CD?) 2010 would be a year I would much rather see us deal in, rather than now when 2/3’s of our lineup cannot take a pitch.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It is a year too early to be making this kind of trade. My fear is that they land Halladay and enter into a win mow mode.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a bunch of pussies. This is the reason you stock a farm system.
FOR DEPTH PEOPLE. DEPTH
WE GOT A FUCKING ACE ON OUR DOORSTEP…. HELL…
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK YOU
ASSHOLE!
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK... HUGHHHHHHHHH
Anyone?
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Curb episode...BZA
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I retract my earlier statement
about not being excited about Halladay being in our dugout.
This post made me excited.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 30, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what depth of young players who we have on the Rangers?
Boston and Philly have/had a ton. Howard, Victorino, Hamels, Rollins, Happ, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Youkilis, Beckett, Lester, Bucholtz, Declareman, Papelbon, I can keep going.
You make this trade when you are one piece away from going deep in the playoffs. Not just to squeak by in a weak division.
You don’t trade a talent core that is on the doorstep of the majors. Feliz, Smoak, Holland, Borbon are all major league ready. Wait until you get some of those A ball players moving up before you make a deal.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you, a wiseguy?
You want depth? Font, Perez, Main, Beavan, Wieland, Kirkman, Ross, Jackajoe Profar, Carlos Melo, Mitch Moreland, Bianucci, Beltre, Moscoso, Kiker, Hurley, Strop, Jones… Boscan,
There’s your depth doofus. And don’t give me any of this bullshit about waiting for these guys to hit, so you can justify giving guys away now. Holland, Feliz and Smoak built their values with one solid season in the minors. No reason to think these others can’t.
Halladay makes this a better ballclub in the immediate future. He increases your odds of winning a championship next year. And should he decide to walk before 2011, a lot of these guys will be right there on the doorstep, waiting to contribute
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who from that group is ready to be in the MLB, now?
I see a whole lot of A players in that list, most likely that are 3 years away. Maybe 2 and a half. Who in AA has the potential of Feliz and Holland? And who has the bat readiness/potential of Smoak?
I would love to see us traade for Halladay, just so I could say I told you so at the end of the season.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do they have to be Major-League ready? So they can dazzle the crowds the way Holland is doing?
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you're giving up on the rookie after 6 starts?
Let me guess, you said the same thing about Volquez? If you can give up on Holland, I can give up on Hamilton and Kinsler. Your logic is briliant.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's good
stay with the plan.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want Major-League ready guys?
Tommy Hunter
Brandon Boggs
David Murphy
Ian Kinsler
Chris Davis
Elvis Andrus
Josh Hamilton
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Taylor Teagarden
Darren O’Day
Eric Hurley
Guillermo Moscoso
Derek Holland
All those guys are in their 20s and have played/are playing professional baseball for your Texas Rangers
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on
Add Feliz, Smoak, Borbon to the list and deal from the lower levels of the minors. That’s all I am asking.
Boggs doesn’t really do much for me. Hurley on the D.L., CD so many questions regarding him…
I just don’t see why so many people want to deviate away from the plan because of al ittle success.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does it matter?
Our problem right now is the offense can’t score runs. Adding an ace pitcher is great if we can make the playoffs, but the thing that will get us to the playoffs is an improved offense.
Its like Z and others have been saying, get the ace when that is the final piece. When we are controlling this division and are looking to strengthen the playoff roster, make a push for an ace to lead your rotation in the postseason. Now isn’t that time and that’s becoming clearer by the day as the offense continues to look horrible.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've scored five or more runs four games in a row
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yipee, they struckout 16 times last night.
congrats.
We basically have to assume that Kinsler and Hamilton assume their offensive form from last year.
Byrd has been cold since the All-star break.
Blalock is as streaky as they come. We have so many questions regarding our team right now…
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also faced the reigning AL strikeout leader last night
A LEGIT ACE!
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So?
Hochever isn’t the AL Strikeout leader and Verlander doesn’t just strike out 13 guys in a given night. And after he left the game, 5 of the next 6 outs were on strikeouts.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
but you still see the problems with this offense, right?
I have a hard time believing this offense can win the West right now. I really hope I’m wrong.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
18 Ks last night which is the 2 more than Hochevar/Soria were able to get a few games ago
I definitely don’t think a strikeout for a hitter is the end of the world, but we can’t keep making that little contact while not being able to take a walk.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 30, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we love our
first pitch swings.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one has ever struck out on the first pitch :-)
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"the problem right now..."
We have won 8 of the last 10, including a sweep and a series win against probable playoff teams. The team is playing very good baseball, yet half the people here are seeing all these problems with the way we are playing right now…
Enjoy this people. It’s supposed to be fun when your team is winning and in a pennant race.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 30, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team is a house of cards
It’s foundation is weak and the higher it goes the odds of a collapse goes up.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I’m sorry, but watching this team play lately has not been “fun”. The wins have been great, but they have not been fun, and between how bad Hamilton and Kinsler are going, coupled with the fact that Ron the Geinus keeps benching his best player, I have little faith in the wins continuing like this.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching this team win in May was fun
Some of the recent wins have left me with an empty feeling
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm enjoying it
But I think its pointless at this time to talk about how we have to trade for Halladay when the thing that will prevent us from making the playoffs is offense. The Rangers are in a great position with their defense to make scrub pitchers even be able to have solid starts. Looking at where we are now, I do think that Halladay adds at least a couple of wins and that would be great, but the price for those wins is too high when there is a cheaper alternative to help fix this team up.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think all the Halladay talk is drivel
There is no money to pay him, so I’ve mostly stayed out of that whole discussion.
It just seems like so many people are caught up in pointing out all the horrible weaknesses in the team, that facts like currently being in the middle of a pennant race, and being among the hottest teams in baseball, and having a winning percentage that is 6th best in the major leagues are being overlooked.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about the Halladay talk.
Get the fans excited about the possibility and then play the well worn “We don’t have enough money card.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy it plenty
My complaint is that i want to enjoy it in 2011 and beyond
Halladay is only here for 1 more fucking year…do people understand that shit?…he is going to be a FA, guaran fucking teed
by Horns130 on Jul 30, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is exactly why we don’t need to make a deal.
Boston and the Phils had clarity on what they needed for their team. Phils needed another starting pitcher, and got it.
We are banking that… if we get Halladay, Kinsler and Hamilton will reach their 2008 status. Our bullpen continues to pitch the way it has up until last night. Plus, that we still get solid pitching from Millwood, Padilla, Feldman, Hunter.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck that
So an ace starting 13 games for us and then only being around next year…that is not worth selling the team in 2011
i, for one, want to see this team continue winning…not fall back to 75 wins b/c some people are impatient pricks
Everyone here talked about winning next season and beyond, whatever fucking happens this year is purely bonus
by Horns130 on Jul 30, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't you like to go into 2010
with a rotation headed by Halladay?
I think the Rangers have been 56-43 two other times in their history so it’s far from a given that this thing is in this position without any other obvious juggernauts in the AL.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poorly written on my part -
It’s far from a given that this thing will be in this position next year or any other time soon, especially when there are no obvious juggernauts in the AL.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honest question
if you had one deal to make which one would it be?
1) Holland, Smoak, Borbon for Halladay
2) Beavan or Poveda or Kiker, moreland for Nick Johnson
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do the Johnson deal.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're asking for Josey's opinion
I’m sure, but for me, it’s option 1. Ship it.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really directed at anyone
I would probably do the Johnson deal
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
we probably need an OF that can hit more than a DH/1B.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
however that doesnt really seem to be available right now
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither...
substitute Davis for Smaok and make the Halladay deal.
Of course the Jays won’t do that.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
if you can substitute Davis for smoak you do it.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Option 2
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure I would
But this team has too many questions about it that one player can’t solve.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but do our prospects
answer those questions?
And hell, I have no idea if they do or not. So why not bring an ACE in here to help win games?
Building for the ‘future’ can only take us so far. Sometimes we have to build for right now.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't it just in 2007 when we dealt teixeira?
I’ve seen Andrus make a HUGE contribution to this defense. One of the top reasons our pitching staff has been better.
Hunter has come up and pitched great.
Holland does have his struggles, but he will find it.
Why can’t we trust our management if they think Feliz, Smoak, Borbon can make contributions?
Just because we have had a little success does not mean we need to start trading away major league ready prospects.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that we don't need to trade the farm,
but at some point, the decision needs to made that we cannot possibly find a place on our roster for everyone.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If our farm is as good as we think - agreed.
by diamond_dave on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep,
which is why the 2nd tier and 3rd tier of prospects should be dealt and why we should have been in on Lee.
However, guys like Smoak should be untouchable given our problems with hitting and patience at the plate.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I 100% agree
that we should have been in on Lee
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think happened with Lee?
1) We didn’t match-up well
2) We fucked up
3) Money
4) Other
by diamond_dave on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your answer to all deals right now is #3.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is a mixture of 1 and 3
Cleveland wanted the guys from Philly and the Rangers are probably asking for some money in return with a guy like Lee and weren’t willing to up the price to get that money thrown in.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Option 1
Specifically, most of our top prospects (Smoak, Feliz, catcher, etc.) are all too close to the Majors.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could've trumped the shit out of that package.
I know there’s been talk of how Cleveland wasn’t necessarily targeting close to the majors guys cause that’s a good way to limit the overall long term value of your return (and I agree with this sentimony quite a bit), but we have the lower level and upper level talent to trump that deal.
I just think we couldn’t take on any money at all and/or the price they were asking of us wasn’t to our liking.
The Indians may think a lot more of guys like Marson and Donald than I do. Who knows.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm
I was trying to be sarcastic because I think the Indians were foolish in accepting the package that they did. I have no doubt that the Rangers could trump just about any package of prospects for any given player.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, okay.
My sarcasm detector is on the fritz.
What did you think of your boy Sabean’s deal yesterday? Even if the reports on Alderson’s stuff being all mediocre-y of late are true, I still think that was a prety bad trade.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the issue is that someone out there priobably valued alderson pretty highly
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Surprised how quickly the tide turned on Alderson…never read that stuff last year.
Still, higher street value than Freddie Sanchez.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
Bad trade. The Giants need offense, and Garko + Sanchez are not going to cut it unless Sanchez can call up his buddy Xavier Nady and get some tips for having an uncharacteristically good year.
Even if, as KG says, Alderson is more of a 3-4 it is still a bad trade. The Giants won’t need any help at the top of the rotation for the next several years, so it does not matter if Alderson is not a true TORP. He has flashed some good stuff as a prospect, and he could be an above average 4th starter.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 30, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a thought on that
I think the rangers may be getting screwed by other teams due to their excellent farm system. Im not sure where the prospects that Cleveland got for Lee rank now exactly but in the offseason they were ranked as 2/3/4/9 by BA.
So to match that in the offseason, wed be giving up a Smoak, Perez, Beavan, Borbon type of deal…that just doesnt come close to equating to what the Phills had to part with.
I know some will say that the teams are smarter than that but you have to look at the PR side. Cleveland/ESPN is claiming that they got those prospects rankings according to BA. That sounds good to the average fan since they dont have a clue who they are. Furthermore, the average fan never wants to trade a Lee player anyways since they dont give a shit about the minors. The same happened with our fans when we traded Tex. They were mad b/c their stupid.
Therefore, while an equivalent deal could be made by us, which one looks better in a simple report, 2/3/4/9 or 4/7/10/14….that is simple if you just look at it from the outside.
The rangers shouldnt compromise to other teams’ demands if they are unreasonable
by Horns130 on Jul 30, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
we do need to make a deal. But none that involve players who are highly regarded and on the verge of stepping into the major league system this year.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're not trading the farm. We're trading a few pieces at the top.
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then wait
1-2 years for the same quality of pitchers to reach level AAA?
Who in the system has the arm of Feliz and Holland? To me, they all reside in A or lower.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then wait
1-2 years for the same quality of pitchers to reach level AAA?
Isn’t that what we did with Holland and Feliz?
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's worse than trading a larger amount of lower peices, IMO.
Like Dirkatron says, you want impact players from your farm. Trade the depth, not the fucking impact players – and if that means we can’t have Roy Halladay, fuck Roy Halladay.
Stick with the long-term plan.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I’m fine with trading away depth.
Trading away 3 of Smoak, Holland, Feliz, Andrus, Perez?
No effing way.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak, Borbon, Kiker, and Feliz
Those are quite a few pieces. Basically, 4 of the top 6-8 guys on the farm.
So we can be buyers when we are more likely than not to miss the playoffs.
I don’t get the rational.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 of which are ready to play in the MLB this year or next
SO stupid to give away 3 controllable players who are so ready. If you believe they can make an impact, don’t trade them.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you could take Borbon out of that deal and the Jays'd do it.
Feliz and Smoak being better than the Drabek and Brown part of the package they were asking from Philly, and Kiker being a bit less than Happ just because he’s not ML ready.
I don’t think throwing in Borbon would be necessary.
He’d be s ticking point with me if Toronto wanted him, though I don’t know why they would. Their OF is pretty set with Lind-Wells-Rios and Snider there as well, though maybe they’ve figured out Wells is no longer a CF’er and want to get someone in to supplant him soon.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wells and rios suck
that might be why they want him, I am not sure. I have a big problem trading Smoak with the uncertainties of the future at 1B. If it took one of Holland/Feliz and other stuff I’d do it, I probably don’t deal 2 from the top 4 though.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios absolutely does NOT suck.
He was worth 47 RAR in ‘07 and 58 in ’08. That’s really effing good. He had a brutal slump to start the year and overall his numbers are down, but he’s come back around a bit. He’s a supremely talented player. Plus he’s only 28, so it’s not like he’s done.
Wells is an abortion though. Even without that contract he’d still be brutal. Ugh. I don’t know what I’d do about him if I was Toronto. If you called and offered him to SF for Zito I think they’d laugh your ear off.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes but the way he is being paid (rios)
you don’t hope for him to just “rebound” and come back. I heard reports that he has regressed dramatically from where he was last season and in 07.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios is fine.
Some good reading for those lumping Rios together with Wells in the suck category.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTB also did one
That showed that Rios was effectively earning his check plus some small surplus; whereas, Vernon Well was worth like 5 Halladays in terms of suckitude.
by Trickman on Jul 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throwing Kiker's
name around with those names is a joke.
by Goyogringo on Jul 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's not really there to be considered a major part of the package.
More to illustrate that he thinks we’d have to throw in some mediocre C+/B- types along with the two.
I don’t think anyone thinks Kiker is anywhere close to Feliz and Smoak.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you hate Kiker so much?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jul 30, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate prospects
rather I prefer some prospect writing over others.
by Goyogringo on Jul 30, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re trading a few [the] pieces at the top.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 30, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
ZCakes nails it.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
if you are trading for Halladay, you are getting no more major impact from your minors until another 2-3 years.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
Though we’d still have Der-Hol and Davis if you want to count them (I know, I know, they’re no longer prospects).
I don’t know if people realize how rare it is to see two top 15 prospects dealt in the same deal.
How often does this happen?
The M-Cab deal is the last one I can think of, though I wasn’t as high on Miller as some were.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
Beckett was dealt for one major piece (hanley ram and stuff), Sabathia for LaPorta, etc. If it is any indication, JP (Jays GM) pretty much tells us they would need to bend another team over to deal Halladay. Trading away 3 spects that IMO, could rank in the top 30 in baseball is a huge mistake.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I asked that same question the other day and got crickets
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps yet another reason
this deal hasn’t happened yet. I don’t think The Pimp gets near as much as he currently thinks he will by the time the deadline passes.
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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Jul 30, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have Matt Purke and Tanner Scheppers to fill 'er back up!
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You live in fantasy land
perhaps you and ab03 can room together
by Horns130 on Jul 30, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Klaw twitter
http://twitter.com/keithlaw/statuses/2931379078
Actual question someone asked at my dr’s office: “I had a colonoscopy 2 wks ago and now my toe is numb. Could that be related?”
Just for laffs.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
This…
“no, really, his peripherals don’t matter because he induces weak contact!” silliness that has been peddled vis-a-vis whether he can sustain his current level of success.
…is a good way to annoy the shit out of people. Some people made and continue to make an argument that you (and I) disagree with. It doesn’t seem necessary to caricature and ridicule something you disagree with.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
After a bad outing, that almost all pitchers have.
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't have close to the same movement last night hes been succeeding with.
Its pretty irrelevant. That wasn’t hits falling in that have been caught, it was a total off night.
That said feldman isn’t that good.
Although I think its funny that AJM can apparently think Feldman’s quality of pitching in 2007 and 2008 was around a 5.5 era but still bash the organization for letting Kris Benson get a couple starts ahead of him.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good.
His blog, he can write what he wants. He has been very successful with it. If you make your own blog, you can run it how you want.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a retarded position.
He decided to have a comments section where posters can post their opinions.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes,
and I’m posting that your opinions usually suck ass.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Likewise.
And the wheel keeps spinning.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What happened to you this morning.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jul 30, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except...
Adam’s right.
"After intense analysis, I have come to the conclusion that Neftali Feliz throws fucking hard." - John Sickels
by lonestarJon on Jul 30, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCarthy's Back. We're Saved...
Now, according to reports, he gets to start restructuring his whole delivery to take stress off his shoulder blade. Thank God we don’t desperately need another starter right now.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Jul 30, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Frustration
Look at it from the Angel’s point of view. Their 11-3 since the ASB. They’re on a damn nice run. They’re pulling away. Wait. Check that. They’ve only added 2 games. Stupid Texas Rangers just won’t go away.
I think the frustration is just as bad in the Angel’s clubhouse. To this point, they just can’t pull away. And head-to-head just sucks for them. I don’t think they’re nervous, or running scarred, but they’ve got to be frustrated that they don’t have a nice cushion like the cross town Dodgers.
by Oracle Galvez on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, from the Angels point of view -
Texas, unquestionably has the better pitching staff.
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by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt they see it that way
Even with the stats backing it up.
by rcreative on Jul 30, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just hoping and praying
that Halladay isnt dealt to the Angels. That would be ultimate punch in the gut because not only does it probably close the door for the division this year but it makes it damn hard to win it next yr. Additionally, who is to say he doesnt re-sign with them.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they have enough.
I just can’t figure out how they’d throw together a package with the top end talent Toronto would need.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Angels got Halladay, they'd have to give up a piece of their current rotation
They’d be replacing someone with Halladay, not adding Halladay. Halladay would need to be twice as good as the guy they’re sending to Canada. the only way it makes sense for the Angels is if they do the trade without sending a major-league pitcher back and I don’t think Toronto does the trade without that.
by Inkara1 on Jul 30, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for what it's worth (since I don't want Texas to do this)
I think that assertions that a Red Sox offer of Buchholz and either Bowden or Lars Anderson (MJH threw his name in there in place of Bowden) trumps Holland and Smoak are off base, even without taking the intradivision stuff into account.
It’s funny to me that some of the same people who thought I was so badly overrating Buchholz last winter are suggesting that he and a lesser player blow away any combination of Smoak and Holland/Feliz.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, said the same thing on MJH's comments page
Good to know the big brained badass is backing me up…
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson has fallen way off.
Der-Hol and Buchholz… I mean, if you wanna say Buchholz is way better than Der-Hol, that’s fine. I could see that argument, though I don’t believe that.
But Smoak is so far and away better than Lars Anderson that I don’t know how you could figure those two > our two.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Again because I can’t figure his rate of progress out. Is Smoak stymied at the AAA level, is he slow to adapt normally, or is this daily play against better competition wearing him down (first year of baseball with a workload greater than a college schedule)?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
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by Ed Coffin on Jul 30, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if it helps any
he went 3-4 last night with 2 rbi, maybe he is back on the right track
by rangersfan32 on Jul 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
I haven’t seen him play in AAA or anything, but my logic would be that he was out for a while in AA, then came back and wasn’t necessarily in his best groove when he was promoted. Between that and dealing with the new level, he got off to a bad start. If you look at his last 9-10 games, he’s getting going. He just hasn’t gone 14-25 with 4 HR and flipped around his initial slump numbers overnight or anything.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 30, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i honestly dont think we are a long shot to pass the Angels,
they are due to play some bad baseball soon. But whatever.
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by blalock84 on Jul 30, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If The Blue Jays Want...
If the Blue Jays want Holland, Feliz and Smoak from us for Halladay, what makes anyone think that the Angels can be in the Halladay sweepstakes at all? They can offer maybe a third of that kind of package, if that.
If Halladay comes to the AL West, I don’t see him in any other uniform other than a Rangers’ uniform. The only way I can imagine the Angels getting Halladay is if JP Riccardi has some kind of uber-grudge against JD for not giving him the farm.
by Mister Naxal on Jul 30, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For those saying we need to wait a year to acquire a TORG
Here’s who you can expect to be on the block before next season’s trade deadline.
Free agent SPs after 2010 season (excluding those with 2011 team options):
Josh Beckett BOS
Joe Blanton PHI
Jeremy Bonderman DET
David Bush MIL
Daniel Cabrera WAS
Jorge De La Rosa COL
Jon Garland ARI
Roy Halladay TOR
Tim Hudson ATL
Cliff Lee CLE
Ted Lilly CHC
Braden Looper MIL
Noah Lowry SF
Kevin Millwood TEX
Jamie Moyer PHI
Vicente Padilla TEX
Tim Redding NYM
Nate Robertson DET
Willy Tavarez CIN
Javier Vazquez ATL
Brandon Webb ARI
Jake Westbrook CLE
Dontrelle Willis DET
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 30, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you know, i agree with you
but you kind of suck at arguing.
(p.s. halladay is on that list)
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*I agree with you that we should trade for halladay
not that the list is a whole bunch of shit. because it’s not
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Webb
Been injured this year, but if we could somehow get him, he has legit ace stuff to go along with a sinker that could work wonders at TBIA.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Jul 30, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webb
Didn’t even realize he was a FA. That’s the kind of guy I wouldn’t mind trading some guys for next year. Let the farm grow up a bit more, hopefully Davis/Smoak/Borbon step up and help the big club. Hopefully Kinsler and Hamilton rebound a bit next year. Plus he’d be going NL—>AL so the Diamondbacks would just care about the bounty.
I’m salivating already.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Jul 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got some serious arm problems at the moment though
Somewhat risky going forward
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Definately risky, but having looked at his past stats, he’s thrown at least 180 innings in each of his 6 years before this year and his highest ERA had been 3.59. You definately have to be wary of a guy who has thrown that many innings, but I’m interested to see what happens now that he’s about to start throwing again.
Also, the D-Backs have an option this winter as to whether to keep him at 8.5 million or buy him out at 2 million. Who knows? He may be available this year.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Jul 30, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that woudl be epically stupid
they would be much smarter to exercise it and trade him if they don’t want him.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind
Beckett, or Webb, or Halladay, or Lee …
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with that list
we don’t get their services for a majority of the year next year. we might want them.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish
we could have done a deal for Lee with our 2nd and 3rd tier prospects rather than wiping out our top tier for Halladay.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
it will be even more perplexing if we get halladay but weren’t in on lee.
which is why I doubt we’re anywhere near the halladay sweepstakes
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee
Talk of a deal for him just made me nervous. He hasn’t had many starts at the RBPIA but what he has had have been far from stellar.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same can be said of Halladay.
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by Chase Irwin on Jul 30, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
halladay
has had more and better performances at the ballpark.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Z or someone posted his career line and it wasn't good.
19 games, 5.34 ERA.
If Lee makes you nervous, Halladay does, too.
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by Chase Irwin on Jul 30, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but I was being obtuse at that point, so
by Brett Perryman on Jul 30, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was looking more at the past few seasons
not going back to his rookie year.
either way i dont think they should trade for him, just saying id be MORE nervous giving away the farm for lee
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
the offer that got lee wouldn’t have given away top tier prospects.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did you exclude the guys with 2011 options?
Because those guys are like what we are seeing available this year. Halladay and lee both have 1 full season left before FA. So guys available next year that aren’t free agents until 2011 include Matt Cain, Jeff Francis, Aaron Harang, Ian Snell and Chris Young.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jul 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay
If Halladay accepts a trade here, I would think there will be a decent chance a extension could be worked out. If he does not want to stay here long term, there would be no reason for him to allow the trade because the only real motivation that he has for moving would be to pitch for a playoff team. Of course, he has to weigh that motivation against the “park issue” when he decides on Texas. If he allows the trade, it must mean that he thinks the probability of Texas being a playoff team outweighs his possible performance dip from the park. So, as long as the team is competitive (which it should be), there should be a good chance he will agree to an extension if the money is adequate.
by Telegraph on Jul 30, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well
he could come here, not make the playoffs and then be pissed all next year – especially if his numbers go up.
(worst case scenario obviously but not one that is terribly unlikely)
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Sox get Adrian Gonzales
Who says no on a Jarrod Washburn for Mike Lowell swap?
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would the M's do that?
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 30, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need a 3B. I'm not sure what Beltre's status is the rest of this year, but they need one next year.
The could also use Lowell at DH, they need a RH bat.
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
The M’s value defense. An aging player with a bad hip probably won’t cut. According to UZR/150, Lowell is seeing a 30 point swing in his defense (15.6 to -16.7). Even if he fully recovers I don’t think he will return to his 2008 form. His previous best was UZR/150 of around 8.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 30, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lowell would suck away for Fenway.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 30, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, the M's.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the Sox can throw them a Bowden, as well?
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna happen. Lowell's a pretty big negative asset right now.
That 12.5mm he’s owed next year combined with his health and how it is hurting his defense makes him night untradeable.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 30, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about a daytime deal?
Nyuck nyuck nyuck.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman
I knew the sabermetricians would be salivating this morning after his one bad start of the season.
by kumizi on Jul 30, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if this has been posten anywhere else
Baseball American on the Erlin signing
The Rangers signed third-round pick Robbie Erlin for $425,000 on Wednesday. His bonus exceeds MLB’s recommendation for his slot–$369,000 at No. 93–by the highest percentage of any player signed out of the first four rounds of the 2009 draft.
Erlin’s bonus exceeded his slot by 15.2 percent. The previous high had been 11.1 percent by Cubs second-rounder D.J. LeMahieu.
by tyd3311 on Jul 30, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't read any of the comments in this post, so maybe this has been said.
Of all people, Adam, you seem to be turning into a knee-jerker. Do you honestly believe the Angels are going to stay this hot? No way in hell. The fact that the Rangers have kept up means they’re for real. I’m sure they’ll slow down, too, but if they can stay within this range all it takes is a short Angels losing streak and a short winning streak by the Rangers and things will reverse themselves. The trade deadline hasn’t even passed and you’re proclaiming the Rangers can’t make up 3.5 games??? Seriously now.
And Feldman has one bad start and you’re calling people like me silly, basically. I expect his ERA to go back down and end up somewhere in the 3’s. He really does induce weak contact because he’s jamming batters constantly. If people can’t see that then they’re fucking blind.
by Black Francis on Jul 30, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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