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Maybe we have a chance. per TR Sullivan Rangers still working seriously on Halladay

The Rangers still haven't given up hope of acquiring Roy Halladay. Word is the Rangers still have significant on-going communications going on between them and the Blue Jays with under 24 hours to go before the Trade Deadline.

There are also indications that the Rangers are not going to let money get in the way if they can land Halladay for a reasonable package.

The Blue Jays are not going to give him away. Some of the names that have been thrown around include first baseman Justin Smoak, shortstop Elvis Andrus, outfielder Julio Borbon and pitchers Neftali Feliz and Derek Holland.

The Rangers have to weigh that against having for Halladay for just 11/2 years. But apparently this going to come down to a baseball decision. The Rangers apparently are not going to let money get in the way of getting this guy.

-- T.R. Sullivan

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If they bring up Elvis

JD should hang up the phone!

Texas Rangers, sometimes they are the windshield, sometimes they are the bug — Evan Grant

by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Jul 30, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Elvis is here to stay. If we do get him I hope it only cost us of one our top level players : Perez, Smoak, Holland and Feliz. with a bunch of mid-level prospect such as Beavan and Kiker.

by Monkey Brain on Jul 30, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it down to us or the Dodgers?

5:57pm: Bill Shaikin of the LA Times reports that the Dodgers and Blue Jays spent the afternoon “negotiating extensively” over Roy Halladay. Apparently talks aren’t “dead” after all. The Dodgers would allow the Jays to get a “haul of prospects” but are trying to acquire Halladay without giving up Clayton Kershaw or Chad Billingsley.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Latest from MLBtraderumors

6:40pm: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports hear from a major league source who says the LA Times report below is “not accurate.” However, FOX Sports hears that the Rangers have a legitimate chance of trading for Halladay.

Texas Rangers, sometimes they are the windshield, sometimes they are the bug — Evan Grant

by SonnyKoufaxLSU on Jul 30, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well we have two equally enthusiastic threads about Halladay.

I’d really like to throw my support behind this one, but you didn’t even spell his name correctly in the title

by oc on Jul 30, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

WOW
The Jays sent a scout to watch Rangers left-hander Derek Holland pitch at home against the Mariners Thursday night on short notice. And one executive who has spoken with the Rangers believes Texas still has a realistic chance of landing Halladay.

The Rangers face significant obstacles in trying to obtain Halladay, who has not ruled waiving his no-trade clause to pitch in Texas. The team is reluctant to trade prospects. And owner Tom Hicks faces financial difficulties, leading many in baseball to question whether his team could absorb Halladay’s remaining salary for 2009 — approximately $4.75 million.

by Agreen07 on Jul 30, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions  

as long as Andrus is not a part of this

i’ll probably be ok with a deal involving two of our top 4 guys

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Jul 30, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

boooo

Feliz and 2nd teir players only.And not Borbon.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

then just say

you dont want halladay

rangers fan are getting to be just as bad as mavs fans in their unrealistic valuation of assets

by kumizi on Jul 30, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unrealistic....

Cliff Lee was had for an A ball pitcher (that is not better than our top 4) and a bunch of B prospects

it is not too much to ask for only 1 bluechip prospect to be in the trade….

by death of the cool on Jul 30, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just me

but I’d rather deal Holland than Feliz. And if the deal requires another of the top 4, I’d back away.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Jul 30, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not gonna deal Borbon in any deal honestly

i think we can avoid having to trade him and of all the players we have, outside of Smoak, I think he has the highest likelihood of having some positive impact on this thing going forward.

Honestly, after seeing how much defense has helped this thing along so far, Id not deal Borbon and Andrus, period, they are too important in keeping that trend up for us.

Plus, I think a Feliz+Catcher+Multiple Pitching prospects+ something else gets it done, we may have to do a Feliz+Davis or Smoak package, that would be tough to swallow, but i could live with it/

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Jul 30, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, you are seriously asserting you value Borbon more highly than Feliz and Holland?

Really?

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Borbon

most overrated minor league prospect.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 31, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's certainly my take as well

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

He'll probably be

very Jacoby Ellsbury like and a decent contributor, but Feliz? Smoak? Holland? I’ve seen people say he is a much more important prospect than those 3.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 31, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Borbon

I like him, and think he’s a valuable piece to next years team.
But you ask me to choose between him, feliz , smoak and holland im letting borbon go every freaking time.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 31, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

bleh

id rather keep martin perez, smoak, and one of the feliz/holland duo over elvis

by kumizi on Jul 30, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

ya, to me, Andrus and Perez are the two guys i dont trade

Borbon too, just b/c i dont think he’d ever be a deal breaker and could be substituted for.

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Jul 30, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i can't wait for the stories

of how this was Nolan’s doing and that JD did not want to do this, blah blah blah…power struggle, etc. etc….

usa

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2009 6:52 PM CDT reply actions  

well, i bet there will be a certain push by Hicks/Nolan to do this if it does get done

cuz in a vacuum, i dont think JD ever does this deal. But the fan interest, and team morale come into play i bet.

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Jul 30, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

and when halladay leaves after next season

all the blame falls on JD

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

What difference does it make?

It’s a team sport.
 Let’s just win…and Halladay will help in that regard.

by Clueless on Jul 30, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your handle is appropriate.

"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009

by ghtd36 on Jul 30, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny stuff

First time anybody has said that.
Pow!

by Clueless on Jul 30, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone recall when Smoak signed last year?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Smoak

Pretty sure it was near the signing deadline, and i didnt think a player could be traded till 1 yr after he signed

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jul 30, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't they make it a PTBNL?

"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells

by Taylor on Jul 30, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

That is what I am afraid of

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like the rest of you...

I hope if they do get Halladay they can sign him long term. If they can do that I honestly wouldn’t care what two or three top-tier prospects they have to give up. But if they don’t it’s sure gonna suck once he’s gone and we watch one or two of the players they gave up become All Stars for the Torontos.

This would be a very difficult decision and I can’t really say which way I’d go on it, honestly. I mean having Roy Halladay here for the stretch plus next year is real big, but if these prospects turn out the way people seem to think they are that sure is a hell of a lot to give up. It’s going to take some serious balls to make this decision.

by Black Francis on Jul 30, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

If we win a championship on Doc’s back next year and then he walks, I’ll still consider that a win.

by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009

by boomer1 on Jul 30, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

Part of the reason they’re supposed to be so great is because of the players that we’d have to give up to get Halladay.
And he may very well like it here and want to ride it out, but its tough to turn down a chance to hit the open market with Halladays resume.

by Topgun22 on Jul 30, 2009 7:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Valid points

but I still like the Halladay play.

by Clueless on Jul 30, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because NY

will give him more money than God.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been leaning towards no this whole time

But if its Feliz, Catcher, and some B-B+ arms I say do it.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Jul 30, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Holland peaking at the right time.

I’m one who believes Feliz will be a dominant closer, but Holland will be a good 3 at best. Borbon I think will be Marlon Byrd (not comparing skill sets, just potential/hype vs. reality). Smoak I think will be Will Clark. So hopefully we’ll get Halladay for Holland and Borbon and 2 other guys.

by Apes and Androids on Jul 30, 2009 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that it is useless

to compare rangers prospects with only former Rangers.

Will Clark was really good by the way.

Borbon is about as untouchable as any Ranger to me right now. To give up him and Holland is too much for me.

by rothe on Jul 30, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 at best? really?

There are probably 500 scouts and front office guys that would disagree

by blueballlefty on Jul 30, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hold on......

Douchebag Ricciardi told us all that the deadline for any Halladay deal was July 28th. Remember?

What? You mean a GM was full of shit around trade deadline time? Get out. Shame on any media outlet that actually reported that garbage.

by Hard8 on Jul 30, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

That was always a soft deadline set to give the Jays time to proceed further action if Halladay was traded. Trading Halladay means you get rid of Rolen, Scutaro, Downs, etc. as well.

by metafour on Jul 30, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

when was the Teix trade announced?

the day of the deadline?? or the day before?

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Jul 30, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

july 31st

according to b-r

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by studcrackers on Jul 30, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

How much is Halladay and his contract worth?

Here is what BTB thinks…

Here’s a quick and dirty estimate of what prospect packages would equal Halladay’s trade value. Based on past trading history, some are more likely than others.

•One stud position player. (Win for Blue Jays.)
•One top 50 position player.
•Two top 100 position players.
•One top 10 pitching prospect and a grade B prospect.
•Two top 75 pitching prospects.
•Four grade B prospects.
•Twelve to twenty grade C prospects. (The Ricky Williams strategy?)

I am confident that JD has done his homework and knows what Halladay is worth. According to BtB, Smoak by himself is enough for Halladay.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Yay!?

What strange mix of anger, relief, disappointment, and elation

by devsr on Jul 30, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

aww

I think I got rickrolled

by devsr on Jul 30, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good

How about VMart?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY

by RangerMad on Jul 30, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you haven’t caught on yet, that is NOT Keith Law’s Twitter and is someone pretending to be him.

Totally false.

by metafour on Jul 30, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That isn't the real Keith law

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Twitter

not a credible source.

by TXHC on Jul 30, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

first post
Halladay Traded to Rangers for Huner, Holland, Ramirez, Main, waiting for Halladay’s aproval.about 3 hours ago from web

who’s huner?

usa

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh it is Tommy Hunter

he got hungry and ate the “t”

You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…

I think you should seek counselling.

(AJM to Josey Donuts)

by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is anyone really

surprised by this?

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

psst, read all the replies first

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jul 30, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if that isn't KLaw

would anyone be surprised if Halladay exercised his rights to avoid the trade?

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw you're like the kid who falls flat on his face and then gets up, and acts like it doesn't hurt.

Then cries for a few hours in his room, but stops when his mom gives him a band-aid with a cartoon character on it.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Jul 30, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

A week ago, no.

Now when they have clearly gotten the initial permission to continue the talks? yeah, a little.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jul 30, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minnesota inquired about Halladay a few days ago and were told that they were not on his list of teams he would accept a trade to.

The fact that these talks are on a day before the deadline suggests that Halladay will accept a trade to Texas.

by metafour on Jul 30, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

So cute really

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Jul 30, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if

really?

usa

by Longhorn on Jul 30, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

Oh lord. You DjCahill you.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Jul 30, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

IORANGE! I’M REALLY REALLY SORRY!

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hahaha

This is whats wrong with Twitter….

Not Keith Law’s Twitter account (he has another one). Don’t believe someone who just joined and has only 4 posts

Btw, you would think a writer would get the players names right (who the hell is Huner?)

Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"

by SCDP on Jul 30, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got this from MLBTR

I thought it to be as a credible source. My apologies
Link

by mastermind565 on Jul 30, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

id rather not go after halladay especially for the long term stick with what we got try for someone like doug davis,..blalock is doing to good right now and we cant get rid of holland or feliz there our future

by NolanS on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sell

high on Holland!

This is the highest he will ever be for sure!

by miles on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions  

How can I punch you through my laptop?

Stop caring about the color of your glove and focus on your pitching.

by Texasportsfan on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heyman twitter

#rangers came close to landing halladay sometime today. chances dont appear great now. but 13 hours to go!

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jul 30, 2009 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I wonder if it involved Feliz.....

but the Holland pitches and cave Riccardi a boner.

He then says, NO DEAL!!!! I want Holland!

by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Halladay's no trade clause stoped trade in tracks

texasrangers.com has an article on main page indicating that the no trade clause with Halladay is what kept the trade from happening. I’m not sure who the Rangers would have given up, but I’m not sure if i would have wanted Halladay anyway, he probably would have gotten injured if he was a Ranger. The next time Halladay and whatever team he’s on at the time come to play Texas is Arlington, all Ranger fans should give Halladay nothing less then the worst booing imaginable. He’s apparently afraid of the Texas Heat, I say the Texas fans should give him plenty of it too.

by Ryan2907 on Aug 1, 2009 9:37 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

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