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that was just awesome
please don’t trade him.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
I wonder if that stuff just got Holland scratched off the available list...
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
Evan Grant
9:26: Maybe this is an emotional decision, but based on the reaction of the fans and his teammates and just his flat-out performance, I think there is no way the Rangers can put Holland in a deal for Halladay now. If it costs them Halladay, it costs them Halladay. And if it forces Toronto to hold on to him rather than trade him to Boston or Philadelphia, all the better. This has been an incredible night and one I predict will be revisited a number of times at the end of this season after all the results are in.
I agree. If we do trade for Halladay no way Holland is in it.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
which i thin just effed up any trade
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I was willing to put him in a Halladay trade earlier today but not anymore.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 30, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I still want Halladay
If you look on the side post. I said i’d rather trade Feliz and not Holland.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I would do a
Smoak, Kiker, Font, TT and Lemon.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
At this point
I’d wait till next season, where Halladay will cost a fraction of the price.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
I don't know really.
I’d think about it. Sadly there ain’t a lot of time to be thinking about it.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Then i think youve lost your mind
how can you trade 2 prospects in the top20/10?…how
and then you also trade a couple guys in the top 100
that would make it look like Atl gave us nothing for tex
I just think we could easily still have a bright future without those two guys.
Obviously it’d be brighter with them (probably) you never know what prospects will become.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Look at the reaction from the rangers
How do you trade him after that?
MY has really liked Durch since he was called up
I can’t see him being traded.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
I didn't realize MY had to approve all trades
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He is the FOTF
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Dutch is the shit.
I just misremembered that I remembered something.
Dutch won’t get dealt because of F Face.
Trade for Ian Snell.
um, that is incorrect
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I am John Daniels.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 30, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
John?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 30, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Three
What are fighting for? Don’t ask me. I don’t give a damn.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
something about vietnam
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Next stop is Viet Nam
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
how do you know?
I don’t know but I can surmise from the rumors we’ve been hearing, common sense, and the prsence of scouts
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Common sense?
Not sure how that applies.
Specifically, what rumors are you referring to that show the Rangers have seriously considered trading Holland recently?
Are you retarded?
His name pops up in nearly every story. Of course you don’t hear JD saying “yeah we’re definitely considering throwing in Holland.”
But you never hear that kind of stuff. Doesn’t mean there haven’t been a shitload of rumors.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Chill...
I was simply asking for the specific rumors leading ab03 to believe the Rangers were actually proposing trading Holland.
Chill?
Go fuck yourself. You’re being an abrasive asshole (and I know what that’s like) and a smarter asshole than you (ab) is calling you out on your bullshit.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
What is that?
Mooning?
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
that's the best kind of asshole to be!
"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs
LOL.
Yeah… chill…
Walk back through this sub-thread here.
Someone said Holland wasn’t getting traded. I said he never was. ab03 said that was wrong. I asked how he knew. He told me he was going by rumors. I asked what specific rumors he was referring to. Seems like a pretty rational discussion…
And then you showed up flipping out. 
He's not flipping out.
He’s flipping you off. For good reason.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Pre-game call
7.1 innings, 8 Ks, 1 walk, 1 run.
Pretty pretty close.
the preceding post was a great success.
I had just given you props in the GDT, but it got closed.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Credit where credit is due
Or maybe “Even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut” :-)
You were a bit pessimistic, though.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I would just like to say...
To everyone who has ever doubted Derek Holland… FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
by LSJ on Jul 30, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think you mistake people who have simply pointed out to you that the
guy isn’t a 10-time CY Award winner yet as “doubters”, fwiw.
What about the Salty doubters?
Cuz that’s the only dude I remember you squawking about.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 30, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m withholding judgment until I see Holland’s game score.
by Black Francis on Jul 30, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
By the way...
With the Rangers having won more games through the first 100 games in any season save for one… what would you like to say to the Ron Washington doubters?
I'd say
“Thank you, Mike Maddux”
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
A much better mustache?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
He coaches defense too?
Man, now if Mike would just give the hitters a few pointers ….
All we can be sure of is that whatever the reasons for the Rangers
putting together one of their best seasons ever… Ron Washington is definitely not one of them.
Or so the thinking goes…
If I remember correctly, Ron Washington was the manager last year, too
Maybe he’s teaching something this year, that he didn’t do last year.
Or it could be the fact that we have a fucking good defensive shortstop this time, to go along with our pitch-to-contact pitching.
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
From the reaction the guys were giving him
I think even if they got Doc, the clubhouse would be a little upset after that performance.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
What time is the trade deadline?
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Thanks.
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by Brandon Worley on Jul 30, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Without any of the top four
we’d have to put in so many other guys we wouldn’t be able to field a team in the minors.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Madrigal and Mendoza for Halladay
Get the Canadians drunk and make the deal
by Mark from OC on Jul 30, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Derek Holland's middle name...
…is Freakin’.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 30, 2009 9:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I didn't know what a mancrush was.
Derek Holland showed me.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 30, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
go team!
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
there is also a rational reason not to trade him now
and that is the fact that you have the chance at plugging him into the rotation every 5th day the rest of the year and him being so good that halladay realyl wouldn’t be enough of an improvement.
still say a feliz trade will probably be offered to toronto (hopefully minus smoak) but given that holland has shown himself to be pretty close, it just doesn’t make sense to trade for halladay (given what else you would be giving up). Actually, that is a bit of an overstatement since its one game against Seattle but you would at least start to think along those lines
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Seattle or not
this was a 22 year old against major leaguers.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't watch the game live,
So I went through inning by inning on Mlb.tv. After the 4th inning, I stopped watching the Rangers batting and just skipped ahead to the top of each inning.
That was magical.
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Followed by Madrigal
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sacred superlative
Has there ever been a more impressive start from a Ranger rookie pitcher?
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
Ever heard of a kid named Clyde?
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 30, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
was gonna say
hopefully holland don’t end up like that (though he at least pitched in the minors and is a lil older)
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
Good point
As a 20-year old, those memories aren’t as entrenched in my memory.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
i wish i arrested
somebody for not respecting me so i could have a beer with the president
go rangers!
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
used to be
speaking english was the only requirement. heck, george bush could barely do that
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
This from mlbtraderumors.com
9:27pm: Ricciardi is “not saying definitively” that Halladay will remain a Blue Jay, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. However, the GM says it’s looking more and more like Halladay will stay put.
9:23pm: ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reports that, as of an hour ago, the Jays had no active talks about Halladay. The Dodgers approached the Jays yesterday, but the two sides aren’t in the process of exchanging names.
8:38pm: MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian hears that there’s “nothing to” the reports that the Rangers are going hard after Halladay.
8:30pm: Evan Grant of D Magazine hears that talks between the Blue Jays and Rangers remain “very serious.”
Let’s hope this is true.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Weird how different the accounts of what's going on are.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 30, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really.
That’s life around the trade deadline.
Very easy for “You know, the Rangers really should consider sending ________ to ________ for ______________..” to quickly become “We’re hearing that the Rangers are considering sending ________ to ________ for ______________…”
I don't believe a word anybody says. the rumors mean nothing.
No one knows what will happen.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Heck of a change there for ya, boomer.
Welcome to the sane crowd.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Evan
I hope his sources are pathological liars.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
I still say it's all in his head
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Yep.
8:38pm: MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian hears that there’s "nothing to" the reports that the Rangers are going hard after Halladay.
And there never has been.
Did Tommy tell ya that?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
josey jr?
how exactly do you have any cred? name one thing you’ve been right about?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Well... I'm right about my source being who I've said it is.
And I was right about a sale of the team not being a thing that was coming any time soon (back when the Nolan Ryan and David McDavid and other rumors were flying)…
And I was right about the Rangers not trading for Halladay…
Not ground-breaking stuff, I realize… but stuff I didn’t waste my time thinking was pending as others here have…
you were right about:
-something only you can verify (I am also right that I am wearing a blue shirt)
-something that everybody already knew (I was right that Lincecum will not be traded)
-something that actually you don’t even know is right
awesome. this is where I hope you’re like 15 so you have an excuse (and I get embarrassed about arguing with a 15 year old).
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Eh..
something that everybody already knew
Not really. And easy to say now of course.
something that actually you don’t even know is right
Sure I do.
if i wasn't lazy, i could show you where maybe 10 people and lots of media said the same thing about the sale
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Funny that the DMN was running articles for several days
that had everyone here talking about an impending sale…
But yeah, I’m sure you could find some links that came down weeks later…
i'm pretty sure there were some mentions of david mcdavid
without any serious talks and people (front office types) immediately saying that a deal wouldn’t happen until at least the offseason.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
The no deal till off-season stuff came down
through a Ryan comment weeks later.
But whatever. Like I said, not ground-breaking stuff. The examples of that I’ve come into definitely don’t go on the internet.
dude
dont be THAT guy. Everyone knows someone who knows someone. Unless you have a direct line to Ryan or Daniels, you dont have a “source”. Also, it is pretty apparent that there are some rangers and FO personnel that read this board. If you were to stab your source in the back (i.e. spill the beans about something on here that hasnt reached the media) then im pretty sure instructions would come down to that “source” of yours not to divulge a thing. Just a thought…
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Well not in your head you arent
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummm...
Sure I am.
It’s not a big deal nor am I claiming it is. Just dropping a fwiw in the middle of the Holland trade rumor freakout stuff.
Dude on a message board. Take it or leave it.
Free country....for now :-/
Ill talk baseball with anyone :-)
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
Fwiw, just double checked again (hadn’t talked in a couple days) and it sounds like I was wrong…
Lot more consideration given to it than the emphatic “No” of the last couple weeks…
Definitely off the table after tonight’s performance though.
fwiw
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Or something like that says some dude named Texas_Dawg...
Dawg bless the anonymity of the intertubes.
right
so you were wrong.
or more likely you have no sources.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
...and am thus OK admitting that he had
softened his stance since we last spoke a few days ago.
(Sorry for the double post. Accidentally hit “Post” too soon.)
FWIW: Misleading a message board
and then recanting because you hadn’t spoken with your “source” in a couple days, with the trade deadline tomorrow?
That’s only one of many reasons folks here think you’re an asshole and a douchebag.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
LOL.
Fair enough. Well put.
I hadn’t checked because the “Not considering it”s had been consistently emphatic for several weeks up until as recently as a few days ago.
And I’ve been busy getting ready for a move lately and thus not on here too much recently… and thus not prompted by any comments or rumors here to ask.
Didnt you say your source was your neighbor?
You are moving away from your source! Where will we get our insider information! Don’t go!
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't really care.
I’m just adding a FWIW in the middle of the Holland trade freakout stuff.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Because he started it with FWIW?
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
you're actually a douche on a message board now
i hope you enjoyed that
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 30, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
lol
rec
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Odd that being told Holland isn't going anywhere and never was
has gotten you this fired up, imho.
When I asked and was told I was very relieved.
i think it is common for douches not to know why people think they are douches
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Not really
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
cause jordan bastian knows
you’re wrong
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I'm definitely open to an explanation of why I should trust your sources over mine, fwiw.
I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.
Tommy Hicks is his good buddy
Surprised you haven’t noticed him pimp that before.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
ha
i get the feeling that tom hicks has jack say in what minor leaguers get traded.
of course, he could put the kaybash on taking back an salary and if that’s the case, I believe it. but that’s a stupid way of saying they were never interested in trading holland
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
read the full sentence
and I’m actually fairly confident about it
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
fwiw
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
help a brother out
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
evan grant actually knows the rangers and probably has an in
there are reports that holland was being scouted by toronto
there are multiple reports that holland’s name came up
there were reports that the rangers were willing to give up 2 of 4 and holland would probably have been included in one of the 4
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Even his loverboy
Wash said he thought there would be a trade.
by behindthebag on Jul 30, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I've met Evan several times in the clubhouse at Rangers road games.
Good guy.
His sources are no better than mine, fwiw.
You are now on my list of people I hate.
by Black Francis on Jul 30, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
No...
…but I just know his don’t know anything about Rangers trades that mine doesn’t know.
Anyhoo… this isn’t meant to be a “my source is better than yours” thing. Michael Cave is right and I’m not trying to be that guy…
Just adding a fwiw in the middle of the Holland trade freakout stuff.
yep
Right after you finish telling everyone how smart you are and how you know all
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
fwiw
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
This is to both of you
It’s “Dog”. There’s no such thing as a fucking “Dawg”.
by Black Francis on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
how old are you
for my piece of mind
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
fwiw
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
fwiw
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop that
.
.
…fwiw
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
done
fwiw
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Anybody seen that South Park episode when the Internet goes out?
Jamey Newberg is like Stan’s dad at the end of that episode.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Jul 30, 2009 9:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
hahahhahahhahhahahhaahhaha
that is such a perfect analogy.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Nice post game interview with Holland on KRLD
Asked if he was thinking about the shutout going into the 9th. Said no, just taking it one pitch at a time. Trite but whatever Nook
He sounded pretty damn poised.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Still could happen....
Feliz, Davis, Tea, Beavan…
…Although, I’d imagine J.P. would require that Dutch be a part of it, and that’s where talks end.
Fine
If he hangs the phone up oh well
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
yeah im sure Halladay
could be had next trade deadline for a cheaper price when a true ace may put us over the top
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd hate to see a trade ... hate it hate it hate it ...
but I could live with that offer … considering we’ll get 2 compensation picks in the 2011 draft when Doc fails to re-sign.
I enjoy that its still only 9:43 despite our good offensive night
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by DShep on Jul 30, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
those nights are always nice.
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
Batting Stance Guy.
I am tired of you.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 30, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
post it on your twitter
maybe then he’ll listen to you
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
Maybe this start....
Is the baseball Gods saying….“You need to hang on to this kid”
by death of the cool on Jul 30, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
wheeeewwwwwwweee!
how bout that derek holland!!!!?!?!??!?!!?
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
mine as well
Usually after bad starts, he makes his status something that indicates he isn’t happy with himself. Can’t wait to see what it is tonight
Yeah? Well, he's my Myspace friend.
I’ve even had the pleasure of exchanging a few messages with him. Very nice, polite, and loving guy.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Jul 30, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
MySpace?!
Holland is such a loser
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe he has a band
or is a pervert
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
yea, he's already got about 100 wall posts in the last thirty minutes haha.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Same here.
I left him a mushy worship comment and I don’t even GIVE A FUCK.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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We have read reports sabout
what Toronto would like from the Rangers, have we heard what the Rangers counter offer was If they even made one.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
just ask Texas_Dawg
he can check his sources.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet Texas_Dawg is Miles's dad.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
or his gut?
If so, I’d like to punch him so bad.
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
by chrisR on Jul 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
source schmourses
can we continue to talk about the greatness that is Derek Holland please.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 30, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wanted to add...
I guess have been on the pro-Halladay bandwagon, but I really want to keep Smoak. I would prefer to keep the pitchers who are most MLB-ready. The thing that I don’t get is, why doesn’t Font get included? I understand that people want to keep Perez, but I feel like Font would be a good/fair addition.
No 2 out of the top 4.
Feliz + Font + Teagarden + Davis/Kiker/Beavan.
Also
MY with 3 left field homeruns in a few days? Seems like he might have had 3 in entire years.
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OT- http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/index.html
I find it funny that they have a Red Stripe on the picture.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
OT/oLOL
Josh Rupe with this masterful line in AAA
2.1 IP, 9 H, 12 ER, 4 BB, 2K
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team. - LSJ
"I really think that" - LSJ, on being asked by AirJordan
call him up
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Or even Halliday!
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
or even Halladay!
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 30, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
D'oh!
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
The 5 Greatest Pitchers in Rangers History
Derek
Derek
Derek
Derek
Derek
Why?
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Solid
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
For anyone confused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9lg6HqJeY0
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
Yeah
Nobody’s ever heard of Chappelle’s Show. Thank you.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
its not exactly rick james
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Wreck that...
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
LOUD
DEREK HOLLAND RELATED NOISES
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
Man, after watching that performance
radio will be amazing tonight. Good vibes all around.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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Is ODIS on your show tonight?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
They were just on actually.
I was running engineering for the Local Show with Dead Air Dave.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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man I missed it
do you guys podcast that stuff? I’d love to hear it. I’m goin to see them at Glass Cactus in about a month. Thinking of checking them out at Moon Bar too.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
We recorded it into Adobe Audition, but haven't put anything together yet.
Go see them at the Moon on Saturday. If you’re the first person to tell them Dead Air Dave sent you, you get a signed CD from them for free.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
Ha nice
If you get it online somehow let me know, I’d love to hear it.
I’ve already got their CD signed, but yeah I’m thinking of checking that out.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Hah I figured. The odds were good since you knew them already.
I’d probably go if I wasn’t in Dallas.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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Nice guys too. Gave me their cd for free. I dug them.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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Their CD is good
they put on a hell of a show. First time I saw them, they opened up for Flickerstick at House of Blues. They just stole the show. We left halfway through Flickerstick’s set because we had already seen the best band that night.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The Fan?
Is that station still doing sports talk from Joe in Crowley?
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Jul 30, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
My show, not The Fan.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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yesterday and today
why baseball is awesome
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Seems alot of our deals are the same
I go this far for him:
Feliz, Davis, Teagarden, Font
Holland and Smoak are off limits
I am willing to change Perez for Feliz
I am also willing to exchange any combination of players at the bottom of the deal (Bevean, Kiker)
I would prefer to keep Borbon….but if they had to have him i could live with it.
by death of the cool on Jul 30, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions
pretty sure that is everybody's trade
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I agree with all of this except I'd
prefer to switch Perez in for Feliz rather than just be willing to change.
I’d much rather keep the guys closer to the majors.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
offer Neftali Perez and see if they'll bite
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
So...
is Derek still a better fit in the ’pen for the rest of the year?
Damn did he look good tonight. So sorry Toronto.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
A starting pitcher
who can strikeout batters. I wish I had thought of that.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Jul 30, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions
Dear Rangers Fans Calling Me a Bust
Tell me, how does my A** taste now?
Signed,
Derek “Freakin” Holland
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
Update from Bob Nightengale (who?)
Nolan Ryan just said they actively are seeking Toronto Roy Halladay, but suggested that LHP Derek Holland won’t be part of any deal.
“It’s still premature to make a prediction whether it will happen,‘’ Ryan said of a deal for Holladay. "Obviously., we’d like to have him.
Hope to God this doesn’t mean they’ll compensate with Feliz+Smoak+more.
Btw...
Not sure if you saw my Q earlier… or maybe I just missed your response…
…but what makes you so sure Jones won’t be around next year? (Not saying that you’re wrong, fwiw…)
Nothing really.
I don’t think I ever said that so strongly, I just operate under the presumption free agents will leave.
But I think AJ will probably be able to get someone to tell him they will start him next year… I’m not sure the Rangers will do that, they might plan to give Davis/Smoak the first shot and deal with it from there.
If we have smoak in 24 hours anyway.
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OK.
Fair enough.
And that would be my guess as well… although I’d love to have him back as our #1 right-handed DH next year.
I’d trade Davis though. Surely there’s some sucker out there that would take him.
credibility
maybe you an try to buy some somewhere
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Comment about Josey being the best poster here pretty much did it for me.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman, Esq. on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
wanting to get people "fired up"
no, you’re not a douche. that’s just endearing.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Another thing you a JW have in common.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that a tick you have? fwiw?
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Jones probably thinks
he has re-built his value, and may want a more FT gig. He might be right…
Never argue with a fool. Onlookers might not be able to tell you apart.
My guess
is he can get a starting gig somewhere else.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
maybe this convinces them to
look for a bat, or a cheaper pitching alternative(Davis)?
Never argue with a fool. Onlookers might not be able to tell you apart.
but who gets bumped?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
don't know
Would’ve said Blalock or Jones, but they are most of what “pop” they’ve had lately, along with Young. Sure would like to have a high OBP guy somewhere in the lineup
Never argue with a fool. Onlookers might not be able to tell you apart.
referring to pitcher
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I've never seen the necessity
to add a P, though Halladay would be a helluva get, to me the cost isn’t worth it. I just added that part for those who feel a SP is a necessity. We are getting a little thin, but the king’s ransom for starters is too rich for my liking.
Never argue with a fool. Onlookers might not be able to tell you apart.
"Holladay"? Really?
Who is Bob Nightengale? No cred if you can’t spell the headliners name.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
really old one
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
'nuf said
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I finally like Nolan.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
.911 ops overall
.899 is his career high.
MY has been fantastic in july and solid the rest of the time.. and i havn’t even noticed a screwup at 3b in weeks!
the preceding post was a great success.
I looked on fangraphs today
He is no longer the worst defensive 3B. Thank you Chipper Jones.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 30, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
wow, thats a good sign
hopefully this is a continual sign of improvement to an only below avg 3b.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
well according to cal ripken (and invoked my Josey Donuts a lot)
his learning curve should be over. So from here on out this is what he is at third
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Cal Ripken also thinks...
….Baltimore is as hot as N. Texas in the summer. The last few days he’d be right.
by Black Francis on Jul 30, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I just want these damn storm systems to hit hard or move out.
Enough of this thunderstorm knife-edge shit.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Michael B. Young
Has been carrying This Thing since the all star break.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
So, he's really just been carrying Hank
Because Hank has been carrying everything else.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Hank was 2 for 4 tonight and got us off
the schneid, thank you.
I also believe that was a LH pitcher who he homered off as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't realize you were lurking about
You’ve been very quiet. Letting texas_dawg take all the heat.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
First time in a while I actually laughed out loud rather just typing it.
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Is it possible that Texas_Dawg and JW are the same person?
While Texas_Dawg was active, JW was totally quiet. And then TD gives JW props.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Big night for Hank
Got his post-ASB line up to .226/.226/.377
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Brandon McCarthy
throwing whiffle balls off a flat mound yet?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
nah
too stiff of a breeze in arlington today. Tried to throw a pitch and got blown off the mound. Damn El Nino
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why you have no cred here. fwiw
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
there are many reasons boomer
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It was going to take him some time to learn a new position
But his defense has vastly improved since the beginning of the year. No batter in baseball is on a hotter streak right now.
by Mark from OC on Jul 30, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
He had a pretty bad stretch in late june.. it was every other day with the “ole” plays past him into LF.
But generally yes its been trending up.
the preceding post was a great success.
I haven't seen as many bunts for singles to him recently.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
My MY theory
Last year he didn’t get his 200 hits, breaking his streak. Now that he’s not as concerned about getting 200 hits, he’s swinging with a bit harder, giving up average (potentally, but not really in this case) for power.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be
But if you give credence to what he said near the end of spring training, the break on each hand really hampered him, and he does go after the max number of hits he can get. The difference is that he finally did what some had been begging for for three years – got off the back end of the batter’s box, and moved a couple inches closer to the plate. Since he was beaned and had to have surgery (ear and temple) in ‘06 spring training, he’s been back and deep, and vulnerable to two areas of the strike zone where he used to hit pretty well – down and away and up and away. This year, not so much. He’s always had fence or better power, but sees his job as getting hits.
IIRC.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 30, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
wild card?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Yeah, the Angels don't seem to ever lose
I think Wild Card is a much stronger possiblity now than division title.
by Mark from OC on Jul 30, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking at LOL
Jeff says this is the first time he’s seen an M’s game where every M player has a negative WPA.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions
Halladay deal
who does get bumped if they pick him up? Would they still bench holland?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
really?
not hunter?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I'd rather
Sit Feldman than those two.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there's a chance they remove him from the rotation
after tonight. Unless they blame his 118 pitches for a sore arm.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
this, no one is looking it this, but the Ranger's brass have made it clear that he's walking on thin ice here
I wouldnt mind just telling him to sit in the bullpen.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
What are ESPN?
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
no trade please
you’re not trading holland now, and you don’t trade away a guy who hits triple digits with command. use doc money to sign sheets this offseason.
Agreed
See, here’s the thing. The only scenario that can really derail this team over the next 5 years is that they give away 2 of the top 4 for Roy, sign him to a big fat extension for 20% of the team payroll, and then his arm falls off.
by mikedallas45 on Jul 30, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
If 50% of our Top Four become successful big leagers were doing pretty well
The trick is to trade the other 50%.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
This
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
We should have
a guess the 2 successful and the 2 non successful ones :)
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
The GMs who are considered brilliant are the ones who get it right most of the time
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
If I had to pick 2
I’d probably go with Smoak and then it gets tough for me between Holland and Perez. I’d probably go with Holland.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
My guess is Smoak and Feliz, but I think Holland has a good chance.
I pick Feliz over Holland because I can’t think of any prospects that could throw 100+ and ended up being busts. I’m sure some of the prospect-nerds here can name a bunch. I’d love to see 3 of 4 make it.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Capellan comes to mind
And Zumaya isn’t setting the world on fire. When he throws a pitch It’s as likely to wind up behind the ump as it is in the catcher’s mitt. Not to mention his injury problems.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Jul 30, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I know who Zumaya is and he's in the majors
I’ve never heard of Capellan. So, there’s your counter example.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there is a good chance
that its 3 of 4. Its still a fun game to play.
As far as guys who have thrown over 100 and were never much, here’s a partial list.
Kyle Farnsworth
Joe Table
Guillermo Mota
Dustin McGowan
Jorge Julio
I’m sure there are others. Jose Mesa had some decent years, but I still think of him as a choker, so I acknowledge personal predudices with him.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
mark wohlers?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Almost threw him in
but he had a couple good years til he lost complete control.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Never heard of Table
The others all had “careers” in the majors. I think that has to be considered “not bust”. Certainly not stars, but not busts either.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
jose mesa
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Got it.
Sometimes I’m slow.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think if Feliz
turned into one of them, folks would be pretty disappointed.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I'd be much more disappointed than surprised.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
McGowan showed some good stuff before his shoulder surgery.
Could make it back, but he’s probably done.
Trade for Ian Snell.
Yay for injured pitchers
…because that’s worked out real well for the Rangers and all.
by Black Francis on Jul 30, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, Nightengale fucking blows
Here’s a more complete write-up of Nolan’s comments.
The “him,” of course, is Roy Halladay. Rangers president Nolan Ryan talked about it just after the Rangers’ 7-1 win over Toronto on Thursday.
“Obviously, we’d like to have him, but there are players who are a big part of our future that we’d like to retain,” Ryan said. “We have players we don’t want to part with. You have to give up somebody you don’t want to part with to get a guy like Halladay.”
Ryan said it would depend on the combination of players that were on the table and the club’s areas of depth.
“We’ve had discussions with them,” said Ryan, referring to the Toronto Blue Jays, adding that lots of names have been talked about. “It’s still premature to make a prediction as to whether it’s going to happen.”
Ryan added that he spoke with Rangers GM Jon Daniels a few times during the game and that Daniels is working the phones.
Ryan was also impressed with Derek Holland’s performance and wouldn’t say whether Holland’s performance impacted what the club might do.
That makes it sound a lot less likely that a deal is going to happen.
Yes but no one else knows it yet
talk about a scoop
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Nightengale now says
Nolan Ryan said directly of Holland: "His status has not changed.’’ He has not definitely said he would in or out of any deal.
"Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane." ---Red, The Shawshank Redeption
Halladay rejects Texas
see Fanpost
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
ha yeah, that's not KLAW
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
jokes on me
hides face in hands
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
+10000000
La naiba cu Monkey Rally !!!!!
by Captain Fubar on Jul 30, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
So damn stupid...
Put this crap on the Versus Network…
Is this true?
Halladay decline trade, thought it over but won’t go to Arlington.
about 2 hours ago from web
Halladay told his agent that he is going to think it over, he doesn’t like the idea of playing in Arlington, but likes the Rangers
about 3 hours ago from web
Halladay is seriously considering the trade, the deal is done and awaiting his approval.
about 3 hours ago from web
Halladay Traded to Rangers for Huner, Holland, Ramirez, Main, waiting for Halladay’s aproval.
about 3 hours ago from web
dude
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 30, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
i like how we traded 4 pitchers
and toronto wants a catcher and ss
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
you are just guessing?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Nobody outside of this group
knows who Neil Ramirez is.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you assuming that it was someone from outside this group that made up that account?
Actually, I am too
by Mark from OC on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I hadn’t considered that it might be an inside job.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't me
But you can guess who it might have been
by Mark from OC on Jul 30, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we've discovered Texas_Dawg's source!
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly!
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You get the creds for discovering
I just pointed out your discovery
by Mark from OC on Jul 30, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It is him, Keith Law is like one of my best friends.
He would never lie or allow someone to act as him, when they’re not him cause that would be wrong.
FWIW
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I threw in the random comma for shits.
FWIW
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
This is Keith Law's real twitter page
That one is a fake….
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
2 - 7 give 404 errors
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Between wanting to listen to radio talk on Holland's start
and the trade deadline…
i’m not projecting high productivity tomorrow.
the preceding post was a great success.
The Rangers have a sub .500 record on the road (one game under)
The Angels have 3 less games on the Road than the Rangers left. The red sox have 4 less games on the road than the Rangers. The rays have 9 less on the road left.
We need to win win win at home while we can!
Go Rangers! (And don’t trade Derek!)
bad night
to be an OKC pitcher, 18-4 Isotopes, bottom of the 5th
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
holland dealt
didn’t just try to throw it by everyone. mixed it up. i didn’t see anything over 92 on the tv gun.
Rupe gave up 12 of them
He is just filling a spot on a minor league roster now. What a fast fall he had, from the most over used pitcher in baseball last year to almost out of the minors this year
by Mark from OC on Jul 30, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
damn
missed the game..so exactly how magical was it???
Impressive game by Holland
total control and just dominated Seattle
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Holland's Line
24 of first 25 retired, 10Ks
8.2 IP 2 hits 1 BB
La naiba cu Monkey Rally !!!!!
by Captain Fubar on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Modest Mouse
Their new track, The Whale Song, is the best thing they’ve done in years.
Anyone else love them?
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
Si...
I listened to Lonesome Crowded West on my flight home Tuesday. I enjoy that band tons.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This song reminds me of that album so much.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
Just lightheartedly busting balls...
But these conversations remind me of a good episode of South Park:
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody busts balls...
like you Brett. I take it as a compliment.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 30, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
lol well played.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
It's OK
I respect people’s diversions.
I basketball threadjack any time I get the chance.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't blame you though
as I usually participate in said threadjack.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
Yeah.
I overrate Belinelli I think, but that’s pretty much a free gift to Toronto.
It makes me wonder if they’ll sell just as low on Wright, cause I’d jump all over that.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be pretty fantastic if they can recapture LCW...
Do they have a new album coming out soon?
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 30, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
We just got their single here at the station, so I'd imagine soon. A new EP I believe.
Won't lie
I’ve really have tried to get into them, I’ve gave them a chance, but I dunno, I’m just not that into them. A lot of my friends like them here at school, so I will listen to them off and on, but I dunno…
Weird, right?
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
Hell yeah..
All this dog and pony
Still monkeys the whole time
We could not help from flinging shit
In our modern suits and ties
"I’m out there to do well, not just to serve cookies to guys..." Jason Grilli
by Pocket Ninja on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm 45 seconds in
and I can already tell you.
This song fucking owns.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Going to have to listen now.
I’ve missed Modest Mouse.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Yay on MM returning to awesome status!
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
yeah I had completely forgot about them to be honest...
I was really in to them my senior year back in ‘04. It’s good to hear that they’re still putting out some good stuff.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 30, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
drunken grammar ftw
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by JimCrankshaft on Jul 30, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't tell
I have moments of love and moments of apathy…will this new song push me over the edge?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
You should at least check it out. It's 6 minutes long, and the first 3 or so are instrumental.
It’s worth a listen for sure.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
I just did.
and I basically sit where I used to – on the fence. But I think it’s a mood thing. Also, I’m pissed at Pandora because that’s where I heard them most and it just tried to make me pay a week ago, so I’ve been boycotting.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I was incredibly underwhelmed with their last 2 cds, but this is fantastic, IMO.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Monday - Thursday, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
I've also been stuck on Kings of Leon for about 2 months now...
and a steady diet of The National, Arcade Fire and Band of Horses
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw the Arcade Fire open for the Unicorns
(along with Death from Above 1979) at the Black Cat in DC about 5 years ago (?) now. Amazing show, mostly because the Arcade Fire were, well, en fuego.
Told friends incessantly that they should be keeping an ear out for the Arcade Fire. Got a lot of rolled eyes… until Funeral came out.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Blast from the past...
Holland was the first Rangers lefty since Matt Perisho in 1999 with at least 10 strikeouts in a game.
AP recap
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 30, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions
Am i the only one whose page randomly scrolls way up everytime a new comment
updates in?
its not even going to the comment, just randomly up. kind of annoying when reading.
the preceding post was a great success.
yeah. same
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Yeah
It happens for me from time to time.
Annoying as shit.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I've grown to accept it.
If you’re ‘z’-ing down a page with 250 updates, and people keep commenting as you keep going down, as soon as you hit the bottom, it takes you to the newest comments that you missed
It’s kinda become useful. That’s just me.
Oh that
I wasn’t reading carefully enough.
Yeah, I don’t mind that.
I thought he was referring to the phenomenon of the page scrolling all the way to the top whenever you z or post a comment.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes...
that phenomenon has happened to me before. It’s as annoying as threads with South Park images. ;-)
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Not watching
But I can only imagine the level of pukeworthiness.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
80-90 percent of baseball did it
good, great, grand, get over it. More stringent testing and lets enjoy the drop in HR totals and the “odd” drop off of popular power hitters
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 30, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh.
ESPN definitely kills things at times… but this is the same day of some pretty big news that was broken by the country’s paper of record.
Peter Grammons died a little inside....
When he heard that the Red Soxs (and Ortiz) weren’t as clean as they were suppose to be…..
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
And also
When he had that massive aneurysm.
But the Ortiz thing too.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I laughed, despite myself.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I trust this source
from Jeff Wilson
General manager Jon Daniels said this when asked about Derek Holland’s availability in a possible trade with the Toronto Blue Jays after the rookie left-hander allowed two hits in 8 2/3 innings: “We didn’t have any more interest in trading him at 7 p.m. than we did at 10 p.m.”
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
If a deal could be made...
without Smoak or Holland involved. I might do cartwheels and I’ve never successfully achieved a good cartwheel.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 30, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
If its one without Smoak, Holland, Perez or Feliz
I might do naked cartwheels across the Ranger’s diamond over the weekend….
Never will happen though….
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
while on fire.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Jul 31, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I did once
When my 3rd grade class took a field trip to some gymnastics center (….)
So I’ll be there to join in.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I can do pool cartwheels
does that count?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't say Holland wont be traded
It says his availability hasn’t changed based on tonight’s performance.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
THANK YOU.
I was waiting for a lawyer or something to chime in.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 30, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Youre both wrong
it more or less states that they never wouldve traded him
at least that is how i understand his wording
Which says nothing
except that he understands small sample sizes.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
New stuf from EG
nothing groundbreaking though
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
EG is awesome
but I can’t wait till we pass the deadline and hopefully Halladay isn’t here. His obsession with getting Halladay here sucks.
by behindthebag on Jul 30, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Hrmmm...
“In addition, 1B Justin Smoak and OF Julio Borbon are believed to be part of the Rangers package.”
Well crap. Again, I only do this deal if I only lose one of the near major league ready guys. Feliz/Holland, Smoak and Borbon are all in the group I’d only want to give one up of. Not that Borbon is untouchable, just that I’d rather include someone with a higher ceiling who’s farther away.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 30, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont like giving up so many guys who are at AAA+
That has to push our timeline out. It kills the whole “first wave” of prospects.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I could do it
but Ogulnick will start crying.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 30, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The frowny one, apparently.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I brought up Martin Perez and Wilmer Font. I said if we dealt Feliz that we had arms in Low-A that would be waiting to contribute by the time Halladay's time was up in 2011 if the Rangers chose not to extend him
Not to mention the signings of Purke and Scheppers would restock the loss
I also said that having Halladay as your No. 1 in a short-series playoff gets you a lot closer to the World Series
It was the night Ogulnick was teamed up with KRLD sports reporter Mike Young
Ah Okay i got confused I thought last night was Tuesday.
I didn’t listen Tuesday night.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
do it josey
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
CHW beat the Yankees
MLBN studio show starting in a minute or so. Do they leadoff with Big Papi?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Of course they do.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 30, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Ozzie
just release the whole list and get done with it
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Buckles said he felt the same way on the Baseball Tonight look in during Sportscenter
I agree with him. MLB should’ve destroyed those results after the 2003 season anyway
"Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane." ---Red, The Shawshank Redeption
Hmm
Sources tell Grant that the Rangers have asked the Jays to pay a significant amount of Halladay’s 2009 salary in a potential trade. Ryan confirmed that the team would need ownership approval to make a trade for Halladay.
I don’t like that they’re asking them to pay a chunk of his salary.
I know it's been said elsewhere...
…but seriously, FUCK YOU HICKS if you’re the one who screws this up for us. It’s hard enough to do these deals without getting raked over the coals, now a prospect has to be included to make up $4 million dollars in salary!?! @#$(*&%!!!!
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 30, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i don't like this deal anymore
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Me either.
Maybe we can just get Nick Johnson now.
Or something.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe if we all pitch in a few bucks?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I don't understand why this update would chaneg anything 0.o
the preceding post was a great success.
sounds like we are no longer dealing from the position of power
its not a “here’s our offer. take it or leave it.”
they obviously know that toronto paying his salary is going to cost us and they apparently are willing to do that. completely stupid.
i still think a feliz/davis/tea/font would have gotten it done but looks like we aren’t going down that route
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Sounds the other way around to me.
If they really want the players they want… they can throw in some extra cash for them.
I’m just glad Holland’s off the table, as I think trading for Halladay would be really stupid.
The only thing I can think of.
Is that if the Jays are going to pick up some money, the cost of the package goes up.
Either way, I sincerely hope this (or anything else really) causes the deal to break down.
I love it
run them over the coals for Halladay. Make them take a lower package than we’d like, AND pay.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
If we can't pay him
we shouldn’t be going after him. Throwing in more prospects just so they’ll fork over some cash is stupid.
I agree 100%.
unless the other prospects are third or fourth tier prospects, I don’t want to see more prospects in the deal.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
i don't see why toronto would just give us millions of dollars for third or fourth tier prospects
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Seems unlikely, doesn't it.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Maybe we're not going after him...
…as much as the Blue Jays are going after some prospects of ours.
Which they can pay up for if they’re that interested.
That's not how these things...
work, though. Toronto doesn’t call Texas and say, “We have this really great pitcher named Roy Halladay, you heard of him? Well, we might move him and we’ve had our eye on that kid of yours, Wilmer Font, how say you to a deal?”
by ghostofErikThompson on Jul 30, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you challenging the man's sources, goET?
I hear they’re impeccable.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
FWIW: You really need work on your understanding of the concept, "chill out."
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
And you were so recently lauding me on what a good point I'd made.
Twice. Too bad you didn’t actually follow my point.
Ah, well…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Um... not sure what that has to do with anything.
You are the one that started back in about sources.
Btw… just curious… do you think I’m lying about who my source is?
did you say who your source was
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Again, I don't care.
I think the fact that you compared yourself to Evan Grant earlier means I’m going to mock you and your sources for a long, long time.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I didn't ask if you cared.
Can you answer the question?
(And I didn’t “compare myself” to Evan Grant, fwiw.)
Yes, FWIW you did.
However indirect it might have been, your comparing the sources for your posts favorably to the sources for his reporting is a comparison to Evan Grant.
I don’t have any idea if you’re lying about being buddies with the Hicks (or the quantity or quality of Rangers information they feed you), and, once again, I don’t care.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
What exactly did I backtrack on?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I'm not the one who compared myself to Evan Grant.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I didn't.
Just compared our sources on a specific topic.
There’s a difference, fwiw.
(You sure do respond to me a lot about this for someone who doesn’t care, fwiw… 
)
You did, you really did.
Three more concepts for you to add to “chill out,” in terms of studying up:
(1) Comparison
(2) Backtrack
(3) Apathetic
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Seems past your bedtime, TDawg.
Sweet dreams.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
You ever stay up late watching
an infomercial, while working on some stuff you didn’t want to work on, but had put off too long already?
The role of the infomercial is basically what your posts are playing for me, tonight, though they’re somewhat less entertaining.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I hear they are the fake Law
A reliable source on this board told me so
by Mark from OC on Jul 30, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No...
The Rangers say "We’ll give you _.’ They say No… but after looking at some things we want “_______.”
The Rangers reject that.
The Blue Jays are still very interested though so they keep pursuing it with a name or two changed… and the Rangers say “throw in $__,000,000 and we’ll think a little more about it…”
that doesn't even make sense
but there’s no way that ends well for the rangers. if the blue jays are going to pay, they are going to want good prospects. i only make this deal if I don’t deal my good prospects. no amount of money (at least definitely not what the jays would be willing to give) would be worth giving up one of the top 4.
if there is any talk of jays taking on money, this doesn’t end well for the rangers. best we can hope for is no deal – but there’s no point to go down this road at all
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Just thought I'd throw this out there:
There are 5 teams currently with better records than the Rangers. 2 in the NL, 3 in the AL.
If only we could be in the Central division….either league really.
I didn't get to see the game
but are people knee-jerking the other way?
After all, this is the Mariner’s offense we’re talking about.
One of the few teams worse in the AL in offense (slanting toward OBP) than the Rangers (the other being the Royals).
Still, it’s nice that he was able to dominate a major league team.
R
Your first line there was pretty important.
Rather a better offense could have snuck in a few runs against him or not, he looked much better today. Control, offspeed.. it was there.
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yup
it was probably the most impressive showing by a pitcher this year, visually and statistically. So, Mariner’s offense or not, it was a great start.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I don't think most folks are suddenly convinced that Holland's a Cy Young candidate,
or even in the running for Rookie of the Year, after one great start.
It’s just really nice to see the kid show signs of what he could be.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
increases the chances that he could be servicable again
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
there's a better chance that he will be useful sooner rather than later
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Ah. Yeah. I was thinking longer term, but yeah.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Mostly just some celebrating by young kids around here who thought Holland would be an instant
CY winner and got their feelings hurt when others pointed out that he wasn’t exactly lighting it up immediately when they screamed about various moves involving Holland.
Talk about dead horses...
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Not really.
It was pretty funny how several here were about Holland awhile back.
Funny to watch them take a victory lap now when no one ever said he wouldn’t be pretty good at some point.
You've sort of mentioned it already.
And it didn’t bear repeating.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
young kids?
Where’s Z?!?!
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Well...
they did have 11 hits off Halladay the night before. Just sayin’.
I know their offense isn’t great, but Holland looked so good I’m not sure it would have mattered yesterday.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Did anyone else catch Josh
call Derek the “Dutch Oven?”
made me lol a bit
"I hope a bartender appears, with a shot and a beer everytime ya holler, cause yeah man, that's lucky"-Pat Green
"I want to be wearing the red, blue and white."-Matt Purke
yea i heard that
it was pretty funny
also heard the dutch treat line
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by studcrackers on Jul 31, 2009 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions
You know what I just remembered?
I had tickets to tonight’s game. I decided to give my tickets to my dad because I didn’t want to drive up tonight, drive back, then drive back to Dallas on Saturday.
Ugh.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 30, 2009 11:27 PM CDT reply actions
Would you drive up to see Halladay or would you be too bitter?
the preceding post was a great success.
his basement
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Hughes Town
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, thanks, dude...
me and Suze enjoyed the game.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
no, he pitched today.
So.. tuesday, assuming we move the rotation to suit him.
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He tried to pitch yesterday
Got bombed, 11 hits, Jays lost
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
It's nervewracking, not knowing if you're going to move to a new country in a few days...
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Good one
US = new country, Texas = newer country yet.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Milwood is schedule for that day
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
As long if his ass ain't hurting any more
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
And do you have any nervous twitches that might cause you to suddenly jerk your head 6 inches in either direction.
by oc on Jul 30, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Stop, please, stop.
Tears run the risk of damaging my keyboard.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Idk,
I havn’t bought seats yet but when I do I’ll be sure to tell you, only if you want to fight though.
FIGHT ME ON GREEN HILL.
I’LL FIGHT EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD, I SWEAR IT.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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I will
beat your white ass all day.
I’ll be the king of that fucking green ass hill all fucking day.
make sure and tell mommy and daddy
what a great education you’re getting.
it’ll ease the concerns of the ‘seapage’ from their wallet.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
not getting in the middle.
but funny.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I WILL RIP OUT YOUR THROAT AND SHIT DOWN YOUR NECK.
lol @ calling anyone “white ass”.
"Look out, Itchy! He’s Irish!"
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Holland
was great and all, but talk about trade him while his stock is high?
Highest it will ever be.
It will be higher
This was just one start. I expect many, many more 10 plus strikeout performances from Holland throughout his long Texas Rangers career.
by Mark from OC on Jul 30, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Heyman
“#rangers came close to landing halladay sometime today. chances dont appear great now. but 13 hours to go!”
the preceding post was a great success.
I dunno, it says they came close to landing Halladay SOMETIME today.
How convenient we hear this after Holland tosses a gem
I guess
I didn’t take that to mean that they were close until 11 pm.
by brettgardner on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
JD did say
his mind didn’t change from 7 to 10 but did it change from 3 to 7?
BAM.
Trade for Ian Snell.
chris davis
hank blalock
jason jennings
eddie guardado
and that fat closer on the drillers
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
well
Going off our prospect list just as a basis…
Lets say Feliz/Smoak/Holland/Perez are tier 1.
Font/Beavan/Borbon/Hunter are tier 2.
Main/Kiker/Ross/Max/etc. are tier 3.
Maybe one from each tier and let them pick a lower guy or 2 they particularly like?
the preceding post was a great success.
OK.
Screw that, imho. Holland/Feliz should be off the table. No need to rush this and make a gamble now. Stay the course, imho.
I don't have a problem with someone thinking that.
But i don’t think its just impatience and irrationality to be ok with it.
And I’ll add that obviously that was just a guideline, you could find a mix of 3 players on there I wouldn’t do.
the preceding post was a great success.
Blalock, Benoit and Padilla, no?
Go with the prospects at 1b/DH/relief rather than signing anyone significant.
the preceding post was a great success.
Getting railed on the whole thread wasn't enough?
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by inactive lsb user on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I think
Most of us would do that.
But of tier 1, I’d rather take Holland and Smoak off.
I dunno—I realize that if we want to make a move like this, it has to hurt dearly, but I’m starting to chicken-shit out, I think.
by brettgardner on Jul 30, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree with what you said
and out of tier 2 beavan would be the only one I’d be wanting to deal. But obviously they wouldn’t do a Perez/Smoak, Beavan, and Kiker plus C level prospect package. The reality is that this is not the time to do thsi deal, plain and simple
Don't take too much into what Heyman says
It seems that all his rumors are feed to him by Boras…..
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
I honestly think he just wanted to write something.
Or just came to the conclusion that with all the rangers/jays rumors today they were close, but now that it’s so close to the deadline it might not get done.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
No offense
but thats what everyone said when it was reported by him that Andruw Jones was close to signing here
i think that was the joke
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
My bad
if it was but there were a lot here that were making that claim in all seriousness when he reported the Jones interest
maybe it wasn't a joke
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
This is why I don't trust Heyman
A few weeks ago, he reported this
#mets rejected request of package of f-mart, niese, parnell and ruben tejada for halladay. #jays
Then a couple hours later about a dozen other media outlets (including Keith Law) said that that trade proposal and rejection was bogus and it never happened….
This is why I just can’t believe Heyman at all
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
Oh I know
Just saying that almost all his rumors that he has are most of Boras’ clients or ways to make the NY teams look good (because he use to work in the NY media for so long)
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
Smoak
scottrlucasAAA’s Justin Smoak 3-5 with 2-run jack, taking a bit of the sting out of a 23-6 loss to Albq. Not a typo. #texasrangers.
I really would hate to see him go…….
Weird that both him and Holland have great days when they are rumored to be in a big trade….
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
Heyman Twitter..
#rangers came close to landing halladay sometime today. chances dont appear great now. but 13 hours to go!
OK
I was at this game. It was AMAZING. I have NEVER been at a game where the first hit a pitcher gives up gets a standing ovation.
Holland was DEALING tonight, and I want Halladay less now than I did before.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/1512841.html
A source said that the Blue Jays have asked for four players, including two on the big-league roster — pitchers Derek Holland and Tommy Hunter. First-base prospect Justin Smoak, currently in Triple A, is also a Blue Jays target.
Eff off JP
usa
My guess is Daniels said the same,
but more diplomatically.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
First time I've seen his name.
Makes sense since they wanted Happ from Philly.
I’m guessing that’s what JP asked for to pick up the remainder of Halladay’s deal this year.
I love Hunter
But if we can give them Hunter and dance around some of the other names mentioned, that’s definitely a positive.
by brettgardner on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Not much ballroom involved in the deal
if Holland and Smoak still are.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Yup.
I doubt including Hunter gives the Rangers any flexibility with the other two (or three).
Well
I wouldn’t just toss him in with Holland and Smoak, that’s for sure.
Those are the two I least want to give up.
Plus our rotation would be pretty meh without either Holland or Hunter (if for no other reason than the “hey look a rookie’s pitching” mentality I have).
by brettgardner on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
and lets just say that this gets done with Holland and Hunter included. That makes ur rotation Halladay, Millwood, Padilla, Feldman, and Nippert I guess. That in no way makes us the favorites to win the division with how awful the offense has been
Even if we could have gotten Lee and Halladay
One has to think that this offense of June and July could carry this team into the playoffs
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
If hunter is a major piece in a deal I'd view it as a positive honestly
the preceding post was a great success.
Because I think hes a #4 at best, #5 in probability.
And that this could be the highpoint of his value.
If they want to believe in his run this year and take him in place of a higher upside prospect that would make this deal easier for me. Not that I think he sucks, hes
I would not give both he and holland up in a deal though for the effect it would have on the 2009 season, obviously a major part of any halladay trade. We need one of them in the rotation.
the preceding post was a great success.
I agree with the last paragraph
which is what I was implying when I said I wouldn’t give both up, for the reason you described
There is zero harm done to the jays by asking for the max and hoping somebody folds.
Doesn’t actually matter if internet commentators call him an idiot.
We will see what happens at 3 pm.
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I find that hard to believe.
If it was I don’t think the talks would have ever gotten “close” or “serious”
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
So then our rotation would be
Halladay
Millwood
Padilla
Feldman
????
Guess Nippert would be thrown into the 5 spot and Feliz coming up to the bullpen to take Nippert’s spot
I just really don’t see us doing that
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
forgot Ben Sheets
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
more
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9874088/Source:-Jays-won%27t-lower-Halladay-price-for-Rangers
Fuck off JP, just go away …
So, it wouldn’t be a surprise if the Jays asked for three players from among the group of Feliz, Smoak, Perez and Holland.
bwahahahaha
usa
It really just sounds like JP is trying to save his job right now
By asking for the moon
He honestly is screwed if 3 pm comes tomorrow and Halladay is still a Blue Jay
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
Its like Training Day
And Denzel has to meet the Russians.
by BrentTaylor21 on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep - JP can drink sewer water
I know it’s Roy Majesty Halladay, but as earlier said, he might be worth 3 additional wins the rest of this season, and only is super valuable in playoff series – if the Rangers get there! And contrary to some of the opinions, and some of the prospect value rankings, my list of players exempt from any trade for pitching includes Holland – Feliz – Perez – Borbon. Anybody else can be either backfilled or replaced.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Smoak's not on your list?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
No he's replaceable
Teixeira wasn’t, and Justin isn’t.. There isn’t anyone else in the system to bring up who could provide Smoak’s OBP-OPS, but IMO the potential pitching goodness and defensive upgrade should mean more – continued run prevention – than trying to make the 1-9 lineup all hitting studs. Now I admit I’m counting on Kinsler and Hamilton to pick it back up, if not the rest of this season, the 2-4 years following. Right now you’ve got Young and Cruz and occasional outbursts or small streaks. It is bound to get a little better without any one designated bat.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 31, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Your list is exactly like mine, except id consider dealing Feliz
I want to keep our up the middle in tact, the corners can be filled in rather easily. Keep Andrus, Borbon, and Salty, that alone + Kinsler guarantees a pretty strong defense moving forward.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I think this clubs
lack of OBP is going to be the number one reason for bitching on these boards over the next 4 years or so. We just got so many low OBP guys, and not much on the farm, other than Smoak, its gonna be ugly. Just a bunch of HR or bust offenses.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I'm not as worried
I think this is a problem that can be fixed, just maybe not mid-season. These players are all still pretty young, and they set patterns or showed promise before this year:
Saltalamacchia: .352 OBP in 2008, .291 OBP this year
Andrus: back to back months of .347 and .342 in May/June
Hamilton: .368 and .371 in his first 2 years; .272 this year
Kinsler: .347, .355, .375 before this year; .313 this year
Davis: .331 last year before .256 this year
Add Murphy, Cruz, Young, and if we keep him (most likely) Smoak, and I think this team’s OBP could easily be in the top half of the AL next year.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Im not so sure
Kinsler and Hamilton aren’t on the Hank Blalock development plan.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I can't guarantee that they're not
that would truly suck. But while I’m frustrated like hell with this year’s OBP situation, I think it’s certainly salvageable and I have faith that everything will be done to mitigate the situation in the off-season. JD has called attention to this problem. EVERYBODY knows about this problem.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Smoak's likely part of the solution.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
He seems the biggest part
available on the farm. Maybe a healthy Maxram might be also.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I think Borbon's skill set is more replaceable than Smoak's, for this team.
Along the lines of Cahill’s thoughts below.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Or, rather, above.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Yep
Good defensive CFs who hit 270/330/370 aren’t that tough to come by.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Also could be
I just don’t see a candidate who is both available and affordable and would be under control for some duration. Maybe I’ve not looked “out there” sufficiently.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 31, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll admit I haven't done my homework,
but I’d be very surprised if there weren’t similar CF candidates out there (perhaps still in their current clubs’ respective farm systems) who could be had for the right price if the need arose. (A couple names have been bandied about here in recent days ~ can’t recall them offhand, so maybe someone can help me out there.)
I should also say that I’m not as high on Borbon as some…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
A young, controllable
CF with plus defense and plus speed and an average bat isn’t “out there” unless you give up legit talent. Sure he might end up being a 4th OF simply because his bat doesn’t show up, but he could also be a solid starter. I’d rather keep him and smoak. Each are vital for the future IMO
The question isn't whether finding a replacement for Borbon
would cost the Rangers talent; it’s whether he’s worth so much to this club as currently constructed as to be “untouchable” in trade talks. I’d argue he is not.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I wouldn't
classify him as “untouchable” either. That said, I have no interest in packaging Borbon with Holland/Feliz, and Smoak for Halladay. Basically all I’m saying is that there aren’t as many guys like Borbon out there as you seem to hint are
I think Borbon's reasonably replaceable. That's all I'm saying.
As I wrote, I don’t know how many guys like him there are out there, but I don’t think he’s as rare a commodity (especially in terms of the Rangers’ future needs) as, say, Smoak.
And I’m not a fan of putting Holland and Smoak (or Feliz and Smoak) into a deal for Halladay, so adding Borbon to the mix does nothing for me.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I'd argue
that although Smoak is a better prospect than Borbon, Borbon is just as vital to the future since he will slide Hamilton to the corner, thus completing an OF of Cruz, Hamilton, and Borbon. We need a true CF to keep Josh healthy and allow us to rid ourselves of Byrd and put that money to better use (like Sheets).
I completely agree Hamilton needs to move to a corner.
I just can’t believe Borbon’s the only answer to the question of who takes over in center.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I hear you
and agree with that. A move could definately be made if we dealt him to plug CF, i’d just rather not see that happen. Especially if it means resigning Byrd
I honestly think you could get away with
Boggs, Murphy or Golson in CF. But Boggs and Golson haven’t proven they can hit at the major league level yet, and Murphy might be a notch below at CF. He certainly won’t be above average there defensively.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a big reason why Boggs's development
(or, rather, lack thereof) has had me majorly bummed. I’d really thought he’d be a high-OBP, good-CF-defense guy, even if only as a 4th OF.
Now he seems more likely to be a 5th OF, at best, and it’s not clear he can be all that as a CF…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
yeah we've had some disappointment
Boggs, MaxRam and Main – and to some extent Neil Ramirez – have all had a pretty rough 2009.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. The latter three guys, though,
will be 25, 21, and ~21 heading into next season ~ and of that trio, only Max was expected to be on the cusp of helping the big-league team this season.
Boggs will be 27, and it’s hard not to think his window is closing. I’d hoped he might be one of those guys…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
i think
Murphy would be awful in CF. He’s barely average in LF. If he could handle it, then he’d be out there this year
Yeah, I want no part of Murphy in center.
I want my dreams of Boggs back, though.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I guess my definition of "not above average"
could be translated to your “awful” – I don’t think he’d be a game changer, and I don’t think he’d be the worst CF out there.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
the problem with this line of thinking
the “Borbon can be replaced” line of thinking is that by trading him, we’d probably have to sign Byrd to an extension, which will cost more than we’d hope to spend; and/or it means Hamilton stays in CF. I think most on here want to use the money we’d have to spend on Byrd elsewhere, and most on here would like Hamilton out of CF in the future.
In addition, Borbon’s got a pretty high upside, I’d say – he COULD be an above average defender and a high average hitting, solid to high OBP, base stealing threat to set the table at the top of this lineup, which would move Kinsler down to a more natural run-producing spot in the lineup. Not saying he’s a lock to reach that, but I think he’s got a better chance of that kind of success than he does of failing to reach that potential, personally.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
If Byrd's the only option to replace Borbon in 2010,
then I’d be more inclined to agree with Ed. I’m going to have to look into this more, though, because I’m not willing to accept that premise (yet).
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Also, you're more optimistic about Borbon than I am,
particularly in terms of his OBP potential. Though I’ll admit to not being completely sure how/why I’ve formed that opinion…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
many of the names that post regularly on here were very anti-Borbon
come draft time, and they’ve carried that over for the first year he was here. Their biggest concern was a lack of patience at the plate. But if you look at his minor league numbers, which may not be transferable to the majors but certainly indicate that he’s been more patient at the plate, you’ll see he’s progressed:
2007: sub-.300 OBP
2008: .346 OBP at A+, .380 OBP at AA
2009: .373 OBP at AAA (his most at bats at any stop, by the way)
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
He's gotten better, no doubt.
I’m not sold on his potential as a leadoff batter, but I’m trying to keep an open mind.
Still, I wouldn’t consider him untouchable in terms of trade talk. Or, at least, not “as untouchable” as Smoak. (Or Holland, for that matter.)
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I think I'd give up anybody for the right return
if Halladay agreed to an extension before coming over, I’d trade any one of our “Big 4” and some lower levels, but not two in the same package.
But if it’s not a Halladay-type pitcher, or a Pujols-type hitter, I’m not even thinking about including Holland or Andrus on the ML level or Feliz, Smoak, Perez on the minor league level (and soon to be Purke) for anything else. And I’d also like to avoid giving up Borbon, Hunter (vs. the “sell high” routine I’ve seen here), Main, Beavan, Font or Moreland – so I’d have to get pretty nice value in return for any of those names.
Anybody else can be had.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think our thinking's actually not all that far apart on this.
I’m not trying to say the Rangers should be eager to deal Borbon. But I don’t think of his inclusion in a deal the same way I do that of Holland, Perez, Smoak, or Feliz.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Neither do I.
I would have to think long and hard about a Holland or Feliz; Borbon; Beavan; Beltre deal for Halladay, and that’s one I would imagine Ricciardi would scoff at. So really, if I were GM, there’s nothing to worry about. Of course, I’d screw up many other things…
Oh and by the way, if this were a few years ago, and this were Johan Santana we were talking about, I’d have already pulled the deal on ANY offer. I’ve had man-love for that guy for years
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Sadly, Santana did not heart Texas.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Just speculating
but I believe we had a deal in place but Santana wouldn’t wave his no trade clause. Elvis was a part of it if my memory serves correctly. Just saying
I wonder if it was
as promising as the Beckett/Lowell trade in terms of hindsight…
who were the prospects, do you remember?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with your list, but I add Smoak to it as well.
I like this team’s long term prospects a hell of a lot better if all of those guys get a chance to have a future in Arlington. Roy is a pitching god, but he’s on the wrong side of 30, he has a ton of innings on his arm, he’ll cost us significant pieces of our future in 2010 and beyond, and we’ll only control him for a season and two months. Short term thinking killed this team in the first part of this decade and it should be avoided now that we have good long-term pieces ready to burst onto the scene.
Holland on the phone with BBTNN
RIGHT NOW.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
about 30 seconds
basically he said he’s never thrown that good, and that he was begging wash to stay in for the last out. And that the team has amazing chemistry
Yup
Very quick. If you saw the postgame interview with Knox it was basically the same stuff.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
too late, jizz is all over my TV screen
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Mariners have probably done that.
I don’t think they will be as completely dead as they were for certain stretches earlier, but the offense isn’t awake until hamilton is.
the preceding post was a great success.
we can only hope
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
No Halladay
move along. Nothing to see here. Keep all highly ranked prospects, go get Nick Johnson for a bargain, and let’s see what we can do to crack into the Angels when we play them head to head.
I wrote this a few days ago: “Holland: greatness…keep that attitude up…I believe he’ll catch fire one of these starts and he won’t look back.”
I think this qualifies as catching fire. I hope he doesn’t look back now…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 12:30 AM CDT reply actions
You know...
Michael Young is having, maybe, the best offensive year of his career right now.
.911 OPS (9th in the AL), .326 BA (5th in the AL), 31 doubles (3rd in the AL)
His defensive stats might be disappointing thus far, but his offensive numbers have been incredible.
Just an observation… Now back to the Halladay talk.
by Stephen Rushin on Jul 31, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions
yeah so much for his"regression"
apparently multiple broken fingers happens to decrease production. Who knew
If you ask me...
I think his improvement this year also has to do with his move to third base. When he first moved to short stop, he was absolutely terrible offensively, but he posted some very nice years in terms of power in 2004-2005 (SLG% of .483, .513 in 2004/2005). Soon thereafter, Young was confronted with a lot of statistics indicating his defensive deficiencies, and between 2006-2008 his defensive range improved, but his power seemed to taper off. (SLG% of .459, .418, .402 in 2006-2006).
Now, he is at a position that is less demanding in terms of range and he spoke about adding on some extra bulk in the off season. And now his SLG% has peaking to .532, closer to what it was in 2004/2005.
I think moving him to 3rd base has been a great move, if for no other reason, than because Young can focus on hitting for a little more power; when he does hit for power, he is a much more valuable player. I also am of the belief that he will improve defensively over time at third, but maybe that is unfounded. Either way, even with his defensive problems, he is still a pretty valuable player right now.
by Stephen Rushin on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Whoops...
In that first paragraph, that should say, “when he first moved to short stop, he was absolutely terrible DEFENSIVELY.”
by Stephen Rushin on Jul 31, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that
he will improve defensively. He has already shown improvement over the last few weeks. He’s no longer the worst 3B defensively. Thanks Chipper Jones
I donno - he had a pretty bad error the other night...
but I do agree he’ll improve over the next year or two.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
someone was
saying how Young’s UZR had made improvement over the last few weeks. He still sucks though
It has been fun to watch.
It got pretty lonely around here last season for the few MY cheerleaders that remain on this board.
Young's decline over the last fvew years has been almost as exaggerated as his value.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Geez...
I leave for a couple hours and this thread explodes. Of course, my troll blocker indicates plenty of troll activity, so that explains most of it.
We need a Postgame thread #2!
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
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