Halladay trade to the Rangers just about dead
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 10:01 AM CDT
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PrintT.R. Sullivan says that the trade talks between the Rangers and the Blue Jays involving Roy Halladay are somewhere between on life support and dead.
Sullivan says the Jays were interested in catching, Justin Smoak, Tommy Hunter, and Julio Borbon, but wanted Derek Holland in any deal, while the Rangers weren't interested in parting with Holland.
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Yay!
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... I believed in
letting her die with dignity as much as the next guy, but that’s kind of a dumb thing to say.
DNR
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
Boy I hope that's true
2009 is gravy – the party really starts in 2010.
"He struck him out swinging! Hello no-hitter number seven!" - Mark Holtz
hey, Jamey's emails
last 2 i have received have nothing in them…anyone else getting that as well?
usa
mine were fine
as long as you forgive the brevity.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 31, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I choose not to
"Listen to Ted. Trust him. If he cuts you off, switch gears and go with it." -- Shroomer
same problem
all the info was in a ‘text’ attachement
by kevinkinsler on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
did you get any at 4 in the morning?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 31, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
i used to...
I think it because Yahoo often delivers them several hours late. I re-signed up with a different email address and haven’t had any problems since.
by Topgun22 on Jul 31, 2009 10:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, I was willing to part with Holland in a Holland/Perez/Moreland/Beavan type of deal.
But, I would guess they believed all along that Holland could develop much more rapidly than the average pitching prospect, given the comments from JD that Holland was never really anything but untouchable.
Well, at least the Halos didn’t get Halladay, and I have to wonder what JP thinks he can accomplish this offseason to make them a more competitive team next year. It seems really likely that he’s gonna get less this offseason than the Rangers’ best offer right now.
Hopefully more offseason trade targets for an Ace will emerge.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
I am NOT ok with that type of deal
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 31, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
So, what would it take to get VMart
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Last I heard he was labelled "untouchable"
Apparently the Indians fear the PR hit of trading him. Of ourse, that info is a couple of days old and probably trade deadline BS anyway, but that IS what I read.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I heard
that the Red Sox are talking to the indians, and the Indians got worked by Philadelphia, so it makes it an interesting question.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Yeah, the Bucholz (sic) talk seems to have made him touchable again...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Vmart
Considering the indians reportedly asked for buchholz from the red sox, probably too much.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Part of the problem is that they wouldn't need catching back, so Salty/Tea/Max couldn't be any part of the package going back.
Shoppach is a fine catcher and Carlos Santana is the shit like I am on the dance floor… only maybe even BETTER than that.
I love me some M-Per, but if they were willing to talk about a package built around Marteen and a couple other guys… I’d be intrigued.
V-Mart is a beast.
Total difference maker.
Let’s say V-Mart and Pavano for M-Per + Brandon McCarthy + Boscan + Moreland. That’s semi-comparable to what they just got from Philly for Lee, and frankly I like M-Per a good deal better than Knapp.
I’d hate, hate, hate the thought of giving up Mateen, but, man… I’d think about that shit at least a little. I dunno. I can’t decide if I’d be down with something like that or not. Sometimes I’m glad I’m not a GM.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I would totally NOT do that
If im not giving up perez for halladay (we can only assume they wouldnt ) then im certainly not for vmart.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I'd give him up for Doc
But I wouldn’t for Martinez. Martinez is what we’re missing though.
Trade for Ian Snell.
I don't think I would either.
But, I’d at least think about it.
Especially if I believed he could still handle 80-90 games behind the plate. I’ll be honest, I’ve only caught a couple of his games behind the plate this year and he looked kinda bad back there, but not Mike Piazza terrible or anything.
And, fwiw, if the above price was offered for Halladay I think that should would be done. The BJ’s were asking for two of our big 4, and more valuable ones than Marteen.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Perez is as untouchable as holland and feliz to me
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Perez for Victor Martinez?
Take that back.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm a little surprised
we’re not hearing the Rangers talked about a little more when it comes to him. They could get a switch-hitting 1B in here, and the presense of a veteran catcher that we keep hearing is missing from this team. No clue what it takes.
Vmart
I think its that 7.5 million option in 2010 thats stopping them.
But from what ive read/heard the indians are in cost cutting mode so it might not take a huge package if they really want him dealt at the wire
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
You think 7.5mm in '10 is stopping us from acquiring him, or them from dealing him?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
from the rangers aquiring him
not the only hurdle but id guess its a big one.
Ive been reading the indians are trying to dump payroll , i guess it all depends on how bad they want to lower it
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I hope it's over......
I wouldn’t even go Feliz, Smoak, Bourbon, etc…….much less add Holland. They must be nuts……Now they’ll end up with Casey Kotchman at next years deadline…..serves ’em right!
Doc staying in Canada is excellent news for Rangers.
1) We don’t give up farm
2) LA doesn’t get him
3) He is there to harass NYY, Bos, TB rest of year
Best thing that could happen, outside of him going to the NL.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Looking at Toronto's August schedule
If you take out the last game of the month against us and their first two games against Oakland, they face nothing but NYY, Boston, TB and LAA. Looks like Doc could end up helping us out after all.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
What are the odds of the Rangers making any deal at all today?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Crossing fingers for a decent deal for Victor Martinez
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
have we heard the asking price for
Doug Davis?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
You would think
he’d be fairly cheap.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Yuck
I don’t see how he is an upgrade over anyone in our rotation
by Captain Snappy on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Davis would look great in a Ranger rotation
I feel he is one of the most under valued pitchers out there. A LHP that will pitch 7 innings per start and keep the team in the game. Could be had fairly cheaP and the Rangers have a plethora of talent to trade from.
Davis is likely
Remember, Doug Davis’ best years were with Maddux as his pitching coach.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
Nobody is enamored with Doug Davis.
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by inactive lsb user on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Who knows?
So many options out there.
If Boston makes a deal today and decideds to unload Brad Penny, do you jump on that?
Carl Pavano? Andy Sonnanstine?
No clue.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd jizz so hard that California and half of Oregon would fall off into the Pacific if we could buy low on Sonny right now.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Sonnanstine
I saw you got your grubby hands on him today, ive been waiting for some sign that hes coming back :(
IF the price wasnt high id be inquiring if i was the rangers gm.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Hard not to feel sorry for Doc if he doesnt get traded
I think he’s just for one of those nice guys who you have to root for. Its just a shame he’s stuck up there in Toronto. Ah well, taht being said, I’m still glad we didnt make that trade giving up Holland, Smoak, etc.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
trading all those guys no longer means
we have a top five farm system!
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Gasp!
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by inactive lsb user on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice
I was never in favor of giving up 2 of the top 4-5 in the first place.
Here’s the weird thing. When we traded Soriano I was happy because I could see the issues with Sori being here (low obp, big contract, not enough power when he was here to bat in the midde; basically not enough to justify top of the order and too expensive for the bottom).
I see all the upside with Halladay and am not positive about the guys JP wanted yet I’m still happy with no trade. Perhaps I’m overvaluing prospects too.
Whatever. Happy is happy.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Please not Casey Crosby, please not Casey Crosby...
by LiamP on Jul 31, 2009 10:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Amen
You can almost feel the fit, though, huh?
by Brett Perryman on Jul 31, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Luke French and another prospect
according to mlbtraderumors
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I know nothing about Robles
But that doesn’t seem like very much.
by LiamP on Jul 31, 2009 10:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He's pretty good
one of their better prospects. But he’s not Crosby to me.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 31, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
KG:
kingclip: New #Mariners P Mauricio Robles is a small lefty with a big arm, 90-94 mph with +command, breaking ball flashes plus, prob. bullpen in end.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Only guy that makes sense
They don’t need any more Ryan Perry types….
I hate how GMZ knows what he’s doing.
by LiamP on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What are the Mariners doing?
Trading for IF help from the Pirates then trading away SP?
Am I the only one confused???
I suspect that
getting Jack Wilson is intended to be a solution past this year, not a stop-gap.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 31, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
In a word: Yes.
The glove is super slick.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
he'd a rangy ss with an average bat
nothing spectacular
anyone reading the first GDT last night will understand
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Eff you...
lol
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
How would you describe Elvis in 10 words or less?
and I didn’t say “nothing spectacular” nor was that the intended effect.
by ncrangerfan on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
I thought Washburn was staying put…. But the Rangers don’t have to face him this weekend, and he stays on my AL-only fantasy team!
Win / Win !
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by inactive lsb user on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
In addition to that...
I wonder if last night’s game played a roll in the Mariners becoming buyers or sellers.
Derek Holland: single handed whipping the trade deadline into shape for the Rangers.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Inconsistant approach from the Mariners....
Good for the Rangers.
It still suprises me that professional organizations can trade for vets one day and then trade away Vet SP a few days later.
Any word on the Rangers going after
a SP such as Zack Duke, Doug Davis or someone similar?
What would the Rangers have to give up for one of those guys?
only thing i've heard
is that the D’Backs had a scout here to watch Moscoso.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Jul 31, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Moscoso trade makes sense
Sell him when he is highly valued. Davis would look great in the rotation, but I love LHP for this ballpark.
I'd rather be out of the playoffs
losing in a play-in game than trade Holland.
Here is the problem
There is every possibility that JP Ricciardi is going to push as long as he can for Holland, then step back to Feliz as his backup later in the day. I suppose that someone like Tommy Hunter could still be a sticking point, but think about this logically. A deal led by Feliz and Smoak trumps even deals that Toronto was reported to request from Philadelphia and LAA, deals that those teams didn’t even come close to agreeing to. I’m still sweating. No Feliz+Smoak!
by Brett Perryman on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
yeah
classic negotiating tactic. I don’t think he wants holland that much, or he might be fine with feliz headlining the deal. but for him, it might be smoak – and he doesn’t want to get involved in a davis swap.
step away from the table JD. you don’t have to make this tarde
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I like that
“tarde.” French-Canadian for stupid.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
Right
If Hunter is a sticking point, and they want a catcher, they could do Feliz, Smoak, Teagarden and Borbon, which would still be better than anything else talked about.
I wouldn’t do that, but if the Rangers are willing to do Feliz and Smoak, and Toronto will take Feliz instead of Holland, there’s a deal to be made. The other two players won’t hold it up given the depth of talent the Rangers have in their system.
I’ve moved pretty solidly into the don’t make a Halliday deal camp. I would focus on something like Teagarden and a couple second-tier pitchers for a hitting or pitching upgrade.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 31, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Its still a concern
My problem is theyve had all this talk about a plan and building from within, etc. and its starting to show dividends and now they want to blow that plan out the window because a pitcher under control for 1.3 yrs is on the market?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
The plan ALWAYS included trading for special players when the time was right...
That’s why you draft and develop so many pitchers – they are the currency of all deals.
Of course, I’m not trading two young ML-ready pitchers for Doc, but its not like that is deviating from the plan.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I think its deviating
If he was under contract for longer it would be a lot more understandable.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I don't think it is.
For an ace like Halladay you do a disservice if you DON’T kick the tires.
No Halladay, no deal. I like a 2010 rotation of: Holland, Millwood, Feldman, Hunter to start with and Feliz as your new closer. Can you imagine a 7th of Wilson, 8th of Francisco and 9th of Feliz. WOW!
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
Yeah
The time just isn’t right, and they’d be overpaying too heavily. But I’m going to feel completely differently about this sort of thing in a year or two, when it’s Purke, Font, Scheppers, etc. that we’re talking about and the full monster is in place.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
When some of these key pieces are in place in the next 1-2 seasons then it makes more sense to me to add that 1 key piece that will put this thing over the top.
Right now I dont think this team is 1 pitcher away from a world series or playoffs
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
That's my point..
I don’t have a problem with trading stud prospects for that “one missing piece” when we’re clearly that “Full monster”. It’s a year too early for me, which is why I’m hot on dealing for Halladay, but I’m not opposed to adding a stud with only 1.3 years left when this team is a little further along.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
*not hot on dealing for Halladay
BIIIIIGGG diference that word “not” makes.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
nope.
I’m not sure smoak won’t be as good as AGon eventually.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
No
Smoak is cheaper, under control for longer, and liable to be just as good.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
"liable to be just as good"
Love me some Smoak, but I’d tap the breaks on that a bit … its a long way from a month in AAA to liable to be a ML All-Star Starter.
by capcity ranger on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Nick Johnson to Florida for B level pitching prospect?
According to Norm’s ticker man.
Quick search found this
If that's all they get for Johnson and we pass on him
I’m gonna be pissed. Really pissed.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Unless we moved Byrd I see no room for Johnson without creating serious issues in the clubhouse
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Fuck the clubhouse
We need a high-OBP bat.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
C'mon you know it just doesn't work like that
it’s not a video game
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
It does work like that when you have a chance to add a mid-order bat for cheap
We don’t currently have a mid-order bat, with the possible exception of Cruz.
So fuck the fucking clubhouse. They’ll learn to like the move when Johnson is mashing in the cleanup spot.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
He doesn't mash though
He walks. Which may make your saber-weinie go nuts but dropping a guy who produces like Andruw has for a guy like Johnson will not go over well
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Middle of the order masher?
The guys got a .810 ops and is on pace for 10 homeruns.
Obviously thats mostly OBP though and the rangers need obp, id be glad to have him in the lineup, but heh he fits the 2 spot more than anything.
the preceding post was a great success.
lol
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
You don't cut a good clubhouse guy like Byrd
who isn’t killing you in the middle of the clubhouse.
It just doesn’t happen.
You need to chill out.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
*middle of the pennant race
got distracted by the radio
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAAHA
Oh, I wish Firebat where here.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
It just doesn't happen man
Do you want me to die in a fire or something now?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
No
But I do have building pressure in my head.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Exactly
The fact people don’t realize the personal stuff that goes into these decisions drives me crazy. You could have the greatest players in the world but a disfunctional clubhouse can bring you down as fast as a shitty roster.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Well golly gee, I guess we'd better sign Marlon Byrd, Andruw Jones and Eddie Guardado to lifetime contracts then
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Never said that
But you damn sure don’t dump them for a marginal at best upgrade in the middle of a pennant race
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You are being ridiculous
That’s not what we’re saying at all.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
No, you're saying "good clubhouse guys" should stand in the way of patching a major hole in this offense
Which is fucking rediculous.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
All Nick Johnson is gonna do
is increase our LOB percentage. hes not gonna produce what Andruw or Hank has produced. Instead of bringing in a OBP guy why don’t we try and get our own guys back to their normal OBP levels and then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
x
why don’t we try and get our own guys back to their normal OBP levels and then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Oh is THAT what we should have been doing all this time?
by brettgardner on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be the biggest addition we could make right now on offense
Nick Johnson is not a middle of the order masher. He is a walker. Which is great if you have guys behind him who can move him along or whatever but in our case the majority of the time hes just gonna be stranded on 1st.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Ugh.
The Dusty Baker baseclogger argument.
Steam is hissing out my ears right now.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Its not a baseclogger argument
Its mere fact. If he was hitting in the cleanup spot like you have proposed right now he would come up most likely with no one on since hamilton is in front of him (maybe Young will be on base) and he would have either Cruz or Blalock or Jones hitting behind him. Those guys are great mashers who hit home runs but alot of the time they make outs.
I just don’t see Nick Johnson as the savior you have him pegged as
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Actually, it makes a good bit of sense
It doesn’t help a lot to have a high OBP dude in front of a guy who’s making an out 70-75% of the time anyway.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Huh, I didn't realize we only got one out per inning...
I thought that the guy behind that guy would also get a chance, and maybe even the guy behind that.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Didn't say it was a perfect argument
Just a valid one- that we’ve got so many low OBP dudes swinging for the fences each time up, one high OBP-middling slug type might not be a wondrous fix-all that we’ve been hoping for.
I’d still like a decent priced trade for Nick Johnson, but BigSteve’s argument isn’t the total shittoast it’s being made out to be.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Having men on base is never a bad thing man
We need more men on base. Nick Johnson gets on base.
I don’t know how much more plainly I can state it: Nick Johnson is what this team lacks. If you can get him for a type B prospect you do it, and you don’t worry about “clubhouse ramifactations” of having to cut a guy like Byrd or Jones.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
dude
shutup. you are like a parody of stat heads that was created by traditional writers.
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by ab03 on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What if guys are already on base?
Nick Johnson can be a “walker” and a “Mover”
by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
If hes hitting in the middle of the order there probably isn't anyone or only one guy on base
Given how Hamilton, Cruz, Hank, and Jones have played
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Of course that would be better
If every hitter turned in 1.000+ OPS and every pitcher threw perfect games every time, we’d be golden.
But that hardly seems like a plan.
by brettgardner on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
No,
the biggest addition would be replacing SaltyTea with VMart.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
True
But I would still prefer Salty long term to VMart.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You'd still have Salty
or Tea, depending on whether you threw them in for a trade. I think you have like 4 more years of control for Salty? I also think you may have an option left on Salty, but I’m not sure of that and maybe an option on Teagarden.
You could also try to trade VMart in the offseason, I believe.
However, right now, this year, it is difficult to upgrade the offense significantly anywhere but Catcher. Quite frankly, our DH spot is productive. 1B is probably close to league average with Blalock there. I just don’t see us making up a lot of ground making a trade to patch places we aren’t hurting.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
We need more OBP even if our current guys do return to their career norms.
That has been the problem with this offense all fucking year. We don’t have anyone who gets on base at a consistent clip. Johnson is exactly what we need, and you can probably expect his power #’s to go up as a LHB in the RBiA as well.
This just makes too much sense to me to pass over.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
They're apparently asking the moon for Willingham.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Define moon.
Couldn’t we start with a Hunter/Kiker/Beavan, and build on something like that?
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Wasn't the talk being they asked for Fleas?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Just mentioning that
means I won’t be able to get an erection for a few hours.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
I think there is a structural problem
with this team in the future if you look at OBP-AVG.
League average is about 70, and just about the entire team is below that. The only guys above it are platoon guys like Murphy, or guys who are leaving like AJ. We have a couple guys who are close to average, like Kinsler and Cruz, but everyone else appears to be well below average.
This team needs a high BA to have a competitive OBP, and its going to be that way for the forseeable future.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Are our guys just below it this season
Or are their career numbers below it as well?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
career numbers
and the numbers generally are fairly stable year to year for most players. It would be surprising to me if anyone in the current lineup, outside of maybe Murphy (and Jones, but he isn’t here in the future) put up a 100.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Theres a difference between..
Thinking thats how things are done and thinking its how things should be done.
I think they could fit him in though.. they have been saying they will go with an extra bench guy for a while and have been stopped by injuries.
the preceding post was a great success.
Except
it isn’t a major hole in the offense since they moved CD to the minors. 1B and DH are fairly productive.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
You can get as pissy as you want
But moves like that just don’t happen.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
You never say what you'd do to create room for him?
And, no, they’re not cutting Byrd.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
get VMart.
then at least you are replacing one of your sub 300 OBP guys. Our catchers are probably the biggest black hole position, other than Kinsler and Ham.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Keep talking... you're winning me over to that idea.
It IS the one place we can clearly upgrade with minimal angst, although I’m not clear on whether or not VMart is a useful defensive catcher right now. What’s the word on his defensive skills right now?
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Its not particularly good
and would be a downgrade over Salty.
However, if you want to upgrade your offense, going from some of your better OBP guys to a slightly better OBP guy seems to be a move that isn’t likely to pay off much.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Ryan Tucker is the pitcher reportedly offered per mlbtraderumors
by ncrangerfan on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
And aparently Florida asked the Nats to pick up
the remaining $1.8 mil of Johnson’s salary.
by ncrangerfan on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Tucker still a reliever?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Tucker
I think he is.
I know his name was getting tossed around a lot in the offseason catcher trade discussions.
This may also give them more bullpen room to trade for a guy like bell
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Seems like a solid deal for Florida
Had to figure Johnson would get dealt in the end, wish it was to Arlington.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Would anyone be interested in Adam Dunn?
Assuming you could get the Nats to eat some of the salary? Dude’s a beast:
.276/.405/.554 for a .959 OPS and a .403 wOBA
Add in that a lot of people think that Washington signed him just to be able to trade him. I have no idea what it would take, but that would be a pretty amazing option for 1B/DH.
If we have this much trouble getting money to try to get Roy Halladay, theres no way they
give up nearly as much for Dunn. Why would the nats give any salary?
the preceding post was a great success.
Just throwing this out there.
If you moved him from LF to DH, he becomes goes from a 1.3 WAR player to a 2.4 WAR player this season.
He has a lot more value to us than he does to the Nationals.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
unfortunately
fangraphs is down for me at the moment, but I’d be curios to know how many War you pick up from Dunn over Jones if you prorate Jones to a full time player like Dunn.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I was actually trying to do that.
But it went down for me too…
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Very sloooooowwwwwww
for me too.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Assuming both are full-time DHs
And assuming they maintain their current rates of production through the final two months…about half a win.
by Joey Matschulat on Jul 31, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Not worth trading for then, it seems.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Thanks.
Yeah, that’s not really worth it (in terms of dollars and prospects).
So…V-Mart or bust?
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
If there was a big time OF
available, maybe, but there isn’t.
There just isn’t much juice in upgrading 1B/DH. So you are stuck hoping Kinsler and Hamilton get their acts together and give the team a shot in the arm. You can ask for VMart, but I suspect the cost will be fairly high, in terms of salary and prospects.
I think the Rangers may well just stand pat.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Has anyone looked at the 40 Man roster
coming up for this off season?
Are the Rangers in a position that trading away some prospects before they may get exposed to the rule 5 draft?
I guess that list really depends on excercizing the options on Milly and Padilla.
This year isn't a problem
Next year is when shit hits the fan
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Thanks Bigsteve
Filling in my ignorance on specific topics could be a full time job. Peace.
Everything you need
here, from the greatness of Scott Lucas.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
The fortypacolypse is nigh...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
And trash like Willie Eyre,Luis Mendoza,that Bannister guy.
Byrd,Blalock,and that guy who’s name is not Chris Davis but strikes out alot.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
not really....
He is better than Kiker/beavan
but no where near Feliz/Holland
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
good
but we are probably gonna hate ourselves when LAA gets halladay and he goes something like 10-2 with them and holland goes back to his old self
but i’ll take that chance. i don’t want halladay unless he can be resigned.
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
shhh
if Holland goes back to himself he will be pitching like he did last night.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 31, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Posted this in the other thread..
…but what about Adam Dunn? If you moved him from LF to DH, he becomes goes from a 1.3 WAR player to a 2.4 WAR player this season.
You would have to overpay to get the Nationals to pick up some of the salary, but he has a lot more value to us than he does to the Nationals.
Dunn gets on base and that's a good
but I don’t think he mashes LH’s like he does RH pitching.
I have to believe the Angels are going to do something today and knowing how the Rangers struggle v LH pitching, I wonder if they’ll go hard after Davis or Duke.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 31, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
It seems I remember JD saying....
That any offensive improvement would have to come from within.
Plus Dunn’s money for the rest of the year would be tough for us.
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
interview on the ticket....
He talke about the biggest piece that we could add was Hamilton getting on track
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Simply hoping the offense is going to get better is failed.
We’ve seen this for 4 months and it’s not a fluke.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
by Josey Wales on Jul 31, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
It could just be GM talk....
can’t believe anything you hear from a GM this time of year
I would really like to add Nick Johnson….
He could play first and have Hank/Jones split DH duties.
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, just spin you can't do anything, get Angels complacent....
and BAM you add a bat at deadline
by diamond_dave on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
You realize that this offense...
…is not failed right? That’s it’s actually average to above average?
You have to look at the whole picture. As a team, they have a terrible OBP, but their SLG leads to them having one of the better OPS and wOBA’s over the course of the year. And while June was truly horrific, they were a legit top 5 offense in April and May. Personally, I think their level is somewhere around what they’ve shown in July, which is around average. A move is not a necessity, but it sure could help…
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it?
http://statcorner.com/team.php?team=TEX&year=2009&leag=A_L
Batting Runs Above Average: -14.0
by Joey Matschulat on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm..
Here are some numbers I posted yesterday from fangraphs:
OBP/OPS/wOBA (ranks)
April: .329(23rd)/.826(5th)/.358(5th)
May: .333(15th)/.816(4th)/.352(5th)
June: .288(30th)/.677(27th)/.300(26th)
July: .307(25th)/.740(17th)/.324(16th)
2009: .315(26th)/.765(9th)/.334(9th)
The point I was trying to make at the time still stands though, that this team’s hitting has been better than their starting pitching.
Pitching Runs Above Average: -43.0
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunn
You wonder if he’s regretting signing with Washington now?
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
I think he regretted it then..
…he thought he was worth a lot more than what he signed for. I’m assuming he didn’t even want to sign a 2 year deal, thinking he could get more this offseason.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, French starts against the Rangers again Sunday
YAY!
lol
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Bombardment time!
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
by LSJ on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL......
Talk about a nightmare for French.
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he is glad to hear that.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
I need to go eat lunch....so....
Garunteed something happens while I am gone.
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
OT: I know injuries habe obliterated the team, but still
Jose Reyes + David Wright + Carlos Beltran + Johan Santana + K-Rod + JJ Putz = Sub .500 W%
I can’t believe they’ve failed so miserably
That franchise is comparable to a good looking prostitute...
She’s got some new clothes, looks decent, nice body…
then you undress her and you find gunshot scars, herpes, chlamydia, 3 toes on the right foot, and a smell you won’t lose from your nose for the next 5-6 days.
by cmkelly29 on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Woah!
All I’ll say is i wasnt expecting that comparison, but well said indeed. rec
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
If that same prostitute had a penis
that would be the Nationals
Omar Minaya is such a massive fail.
That org is in shambles.
Resigning Ollie Perez pretty summed up their horriblness in one nice shiny little package.
He’s fucking terrible at baseball and they gave him a big fat three year contract.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
If only someone could have seen that coming...
…like, if there had been a track record to go off of. Oh well, guess it was just bad luck.
by GhettoBear04 on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder what Neil Huntington means when says he needs to be "moved"
to be trade Zach Duke.
With the way some of their deals have looked, I figure the price wouldn’t be crazy.
Per the BBTF chat
Perez has been talked about in a potential Duke deal.
Which would be bad. Like, really really bad.
Trade for Ian Snell.
Perez's shit in 3 or 4 years is what Duke is now.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Twins just picked up O-Cab from the A's.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Hmmm...more evidence against
the 2 of the Big 4 Argument from fangraphs
$52 million for Halladay’s performance + $8 million for the draft picks = $60 million in total value. He will be paid $22 million over that time frame, so 60-22 = $38 million.
To acquire the Jays ace, teams should be expected to surrender something like $40 million in value.
What does $40 million in value look like? Something like three terrific prospects who are not that far from the majors. No one’s giving up players from the Matt Wieters/David Price mold, but it’s going to take several players from that second prospect tier, the top 25-50 type guys.
Phillies fans – that’s Dominic Brown, Kyle Drabek, and Carlos Carrasco. Mets fans? Fernando Martinez, Wilmer Flores, and Jenrry Mejia. "
AKA, not 2 of the top 15 prospects JP.
yeah
I’ve posted something similar from BtB. They basically say Halladay in worth one top 10 hitting prospect (Smoak). I guess that is assumimg Toronto doesn’t pick upthe rest of Roy’s 2009 salary.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
The fact this deal is about dead
makes me mucho happy
This is somewhat funny..
re: Adrian Gonzalez
12:26pm: A Jayson Stark source says the asking price for Gonzalez is “astronomical, three times the asking price on Halladay.”
Whatevah!
SI’s Jon Heyman hears the Red Sox are still in talks for Gonzalez. Buchholz, Lowrie, and Masterson are “in the mix” with the Padres asking for Westmoreland and Anderson. Heyman adds, “However, the sides are still pretty far apart, and Boston is still in the mix for Martinez.” Heyman also says Bell’s name has come up in these talks.
Also, VMart may end up in BOS…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Yeah I saw that...
I’m assuming the Padres don’t mean Buchholz AND Lowrie AND Masterson AND Westmoreland AND Anderson.
After careful consideration with my analytical analysis assessment team, I've come to the conclusion that Buchholz is
Overrated
Trade for Ian Snell.
I think he has a rep as a head case
He may be good for a short time, but I don’t think he has the “upstairs” part together enough to become what he could,
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Posted this in the AM thread, should have put it here...
It looks like the team chemistry is starting to build up tremendously. Which makes me kind of hoping we stay put at the deadline. We have the pieces, they just aren’t clicking yet. Offensively that is.
The only guy I see who isn’t producing up to standards and who will probably be gone soon any way is Hank. But getting rid of him now for a Nick Johnson would not be seen well by the clubhouse. I kind of picture Hank and MY as the Biggio-Bagwell tandem and it seems Ian likes him too. We DO NOT want to upset whatever MY has going right now by getting rid of Hank!
Besides, CD will probably be getting a call up in Aug-Sept and that will help out. (hopefully Stella has her groove back) I think that will give everyone a little punch in the arm.
My last two cents would be who to get rid of in the pen for CD’s call up. In a perfect world I would just like to flat out cut Jennings. He isn’t a pen guy, and that’s all he will see with the Rangers. He just looks like he hates pitching out of the pen and will give us half assed production (see IRISP, if they aren’t his, he doesn’t care about it) So that makes him at best a mop up guy and I’d rather see one of our young arms take that on.
I had to post again today… The Rangers looked so damn good yesterday I didn’t want to jinx anything!
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