Trade Deadline Discussion Thread
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 PM CDT
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hey dude
did you look at my defense of my belief in Luke French? Luke French, Tommy Hunter, Guillermo Moscoso are all potential TORPS.
Bobby Jindal '12
You have a very lose definition of a TORP then.
Those guys could be decent back-end/mid roto peices, but none of them have TORP potential.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
ERA should not be a measure of a pitchers ability.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
but not useful for projection is what he's saying
and bottom line is runs allowed, if we’re getting technical (you can argue that wins is the bottom line, too, i guess)
the fact that you can put millwood in front of this year's defense
and get a completely different result than putting him in front of last year’s defense is all you need to know about ERA
and you are projecting. you are trying to project TORP – using ERA as the criteria as to whether you are correct. might as well use wins (which is actually the real bottom line).
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
ok let me get this straight for you guys
I explained why these guys would have low ERA’s in the “Washburn Traded” thread. I’m not an idiot, I’m a stats guy to the core. I don’t just think that they would have low ERA’s because they have/have had low ERAs.
Bobby Jindal '12
"not an idiot"
youtube begs to differ
and i have no idea what you mean by your last sentence. are you contradicting yourself? weren’t you trying to say hunter was a TORP?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
yes
and it is for the same reasons that I give in my defense of Luke French… in the “Washburn Traded” thread. Tommy Hunter is very similar…
Bobby Jindal '12
...wow
Fuck, I wish FJM was still up and running.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Me, too.
Thing is, the folks who most needed to read (and get) it, didn’t.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
That statement deserved a total
‘Fuck the heck?’
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
This reminds me
of Volquez’s first start (or two or three) in ‘05. I can’t watch and I really feel bad for the kid. Someone should go get him.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
anyway
3.75 is a pretty low standard for a TORP
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
At the moment, it would put you 18th among AL starters..
It’s a horrible yardstick for measuring TORPs or anything else, but it ALMOST works at this moment.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Woulnd't that be RA?
Because, you know, unearned runs count too.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
it'd be wins
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Wins, gold gloves and manager of the year
The only metrics I trust.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
all star games?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
only the fan vote
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
If only there was a 'Gut Factor Index'
GFI would be such an awesome stat
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
grit+ is the tell all
highest scorers include eckstine, erstad and ra dickey
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Awww, grit+
That was a shining moment of internets greatness.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
If by potential you mean they have a 2% chance of being a TORP
then yes
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 31, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
no i mean if
a manager would stick with them for 7 starts… then there’s a likely chance that they have below a 3.75 ERA.
Bobby Jindal '12
yes it is in my mind...
it is the threshold. Have an innings eater with under 3.75 ERA then you have a lot of wins.
Bobby Jindal '12
hahaha
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by inactive lsb user on Jul 31, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No, there isn't
There’s a more likely chance that they have over a 5.00 ERA.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
How is it you can rocket to moron status in my head...so quickly?
…I think it’s partly the headshot. But also this.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 31, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He climbed to the top of moron mountain years ago
Persistent little bugger’s been maintaining ever since…
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Why hasn't anyone helped him?
I mean I know it’s vicious pack of wolves around here, but jeebus the kid’s stabbing himself in the temple with an ice pick…
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Because he's a bigoted lil gay-basher
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
I’ve long believed that DStar is the reason Jesus took a break from his busy schedule of owning the dance floors of South Pittsburg to invent the word “Fucktard”.
Cause, holy smokes is that guy a god damned fucktard.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But according to your standard I'm very nearly a TORP!!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Jul 31, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Made it, ma!
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by inactive lsb user on Jul 31, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
None of those guys are potential TORPs
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at his
K/9 last year… and how his ERA drops this year without the strikeout numbers. THAT is a guy that be effective pitching like 2 different pitchers.
Bobby Jindal '12
Gammons says
Masterson and Hagadone (who is doing well in his return)
by Brett Perryman on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope we make A trade for a starting pitcher.
Just not a big one… I’m not savvy enough to know: who are some names I should hate/love to hear?
who do you want to kick out of the rotation?
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Like with a shiv?
I woudn’t do that. He’s feisty.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
No
Jerking him around is the absolute wrong thing to do. He’s finally starting to find some success as a starter and Imo I’d keep him there
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Id be careful there. He had one amazing game.
I want to see 3-5 solid starts in a row before im convinced he is finding the success as a starter. I love the kid and dont like how out stupid manager has handled him, but he still has a ways to go
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
I think he crossed a threshold last night
and will have two or three similar games this season, and you’re wrong
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Its absolute stupidity
that as soon as he gets stretched out from the bullpen, they send him back. Fuck that.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
How about Hunter to AAA
If we have an injury he comes right back
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
My reply to that
would be something along the lines of “fuck you motherfucker”.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Seconded
I’ll chip in w/ a nice sex and travel package.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
There's really no non-big SP names out there worth accquiring.
Duke and Davis are meh IMO, guys like Jon Garland and John Lannan kinda suck, and Carl Pavano is Carl Pavano.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
He sucks.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 31, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
should be a fun 3 hours
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Rangers aren't going to make a trade, are they?
I was surprised by some of the 100% throw-outs in earlier threads, but I could be wrong
I don't think we make a trade right now....
and maybe look at a D.Davis or Garland after they clear waviers…depending on how our rotation pitches the next few weeks
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions
What does D. Davis or Garland bring to this team
I’d rather have Feliz get a chance to start, or even see spot starts eventually from Poveda or Kiker. That could be interesting.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
They bring a vetran that has had success....
If Feliz or Kiker was going to get a chance to start this year….it would have already happened instead of throwing Mathis/Nippert/Moscoso
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
that's not true
Kiker and Poveda may not be ready yet, and Feliz wasn’t ready earlier in the year. I don’t think you can say “because it hasn’t already happened, that it can’t or won’t happen.” That’s ridiculous.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
kiker
would be horrid in the majors right now
same w/ poveda
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Kikes could prolly be an okay 'pen lefty right now.
As a starter though… whoah.
Bad idea jeans.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
well meant as a starter
sorry, should have been clear there
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Same token, Poveda might be ok out of the pen
wonder how that changeup would play in the bigs right now.
That said, waste of a 25 roster spot and an option
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
The options already been used
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
i already meant a starter
sorry guys
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn my misunderstanding of the draconian machinations of the 40
And fuck Bud Selig, while we’re at it
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
I have no desire to see Feliz
in the rotation this year, and really not much desire to see him in the bullpen.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Come on at least givem e SOMETHING
this team can at least improve one roster spot on the cheap. just one!
the preceding post was a great success.
If we make a move, i want a bat
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Any chance we can get
Justin Duchscherer?
"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley
Isn't he on the 60-day DL again?
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
no, he's likely to be back by Aug 10th or so
he is rehabbing in the minors right now
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Hmn.
I guess I’d be down for that then.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Had scouts to watch him pitch the other day
God chance, I’d say.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Is that
a chance to be a God or a chance from God?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Knowing Oakland
they’ll prob ask for much more than he’s really wroth.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
1:45 to go
Very little Ranger rumors.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
which makes me wonder if something big is happening
or it could be nothing at all.
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
that's the quintessential tired-head statement that I'm so ready to be rid of
by jam0152 on Jul 31, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks...
thats what I thought as well.
Welcome to the MLB trade deadline
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
since it doesn't sound like the Jays want to trade Halladay
without screwing someone….your probably right
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
They dont want to screw another team...
they want to fuck the everliving shit out of another team
dumbasses
Victor
According to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, “The Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from Indians.”
This was also rumored to be potetnial three team. I would love to see Buchholz to CLE and then to TEX for Teagarden and two SP prospects (say Kiker, Main, or C-wun).
If Cleveland
gets Buchholz, i think they will be holding onto him
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hasn't some of Buchholz's shine worn off this year?
I know he’s been dominant in AAA, but why isn’t he desirable to the Jays enough for Halliday?
because the jays want westmoreland and more
which is why Halladay will be in a Blue Jay uni in 2010, and walk away in free agency
by rangersfan32 on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah i think
that JP is incredibly mismanaging this which is why i give JD even more credit with how he handled the Tex trade.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
so you are going to give up
3 prospects for 1 prospect?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Huh? Of course you'd do that deal if you were the Rangers.
No way in hell they’d acquire him just to deal him for a pu-pu platter, though.
If they get Holz, they’re fingerbanging him for as long as they possibly can, buh lee dat.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
keep up
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Trying
Didn’t see anything on that in this thread. And hadn’t see the three way discussed.
by atlantaranger on Jul 31, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Clevland does NOT need a catcher.
Shoppach, plus the awesomeness that is Carlos Santana, and for good measure they just acquired Marson.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
LOG JAMS!!!!!
"Guys are visual creatures, that’s how we’ve been wired, for millennia…only fat and or ugly chicks use that word you just typed." - Rodney
by inactive lsb user on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not really relevant at all to the situation.
And Cheese Santana is the shit.
I enjoy him like I enjoy going to the food court at the mall and doing a bunch of sets of pushups so the little teen mall skanks can see what’s up with my rippling pectorals.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
saw him play vs bowie earlier this year
kid is legit.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
anybody know
Chuck morgan’s email?
My friend’s parents are attending the game tonight and it’s their anniversary
Yep
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
thanks
man, he is really a great part of the Ranger’s organization
by kevinkinsler on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
2:50 pm:
4th movement of the day.
I may get 6 by nightfall.
Any luck at your end?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Please kids...
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
BOO
the Red Sox did not include either right-hander Clay Buchholz nor right-hander Daniel Bard in the deal, according to a source.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
I'm calling it...
Michael Bowden + Lars Anderson
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 31, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
thats an interesting deal
wonder if there is some JD-like throw in?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I say Bowden straight up
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
surely not
right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
ill say this
bowden is a guy id be all over if i was SD
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hagadone and Anderson?
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
thats a *lot*
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I just cant get a feel on
Martinez’s value especially after the deal the Indians just struck with Philly. I would think that Lee would have had move value than Martinez.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
well from what i read
/understand they wouldnt make one move without making another
and thers what, less than 1.5 hrs left?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hagadone and Masterson
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
meh
i dont like bowden a lot, but in SD i like a lot of pitchers a lot more than i do as a rangers fan lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
MLBTR is saying
Hagadone + Masterson.
Fuck, we could do that, couldn’t we?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Pretty good haul for the tribe
Assuming Hag stays healthy.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That's like Font + a better version of Moscoso.
Yah, we could’ve bested that.
But, ehhhh… it’s a pretty strong package if you believe in Hag’s health.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I kinda have a boner for V-mart
that most don’t
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
He is the only position player
who did much for me. Catch versus righties, 1B versus lefties. Was the only position player I saw that patched our obvious holes.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Hmm.. i hadn't really considered just how well it fits. That does sound good.
Well, I’m sure JD was involved at some point Ill trust he tried.
the preceding post was a great success.
Somewhere in North Dallas, the post is being written right now claiming...
that JD hid behind this money problem and used it as an excuse to avoid pulling the trigger.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I'm kind of OK
with standing pat, but it really sounds as if JD should have had Cleveland on Speed Dial. I’m wondering what we could have done for a Lee/Martinez package.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
How has JD
not had Shapiro on speed dial?
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Angels trade coming?
from some OC paper..
Something is afoot in Minneapolis.
The Angels recalled two players from Triple-A Salt Lake when they only have one roster spot. Coming up are utility man Sean Rodriguez and catcher Bobby Wilson.
Adding to the suspicion that a trade is imminent: Juan Rivera figures to get most of the designated-hitter at-bats on the artificial turf at the Metrodome, so why do the Angels need a third catcher?
Is one of their catchers being shipped out in a trade. Rodriguez’s arrival could mean either Howie Kendrick or Brandon Wood is being sent to another team.
Details are just coming in. Stay tuned to the blog.
evidently he has a hammy strain (per MLBTR)
but yea, its strange
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Please no Halladay.....
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
me too
I know the WC is there but that would make it really tough to win the division this yr or next
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
They make a LOT of sense as a landing spot for the Harangatang.
And Cincy is looking for a 3b to take over for shitty EE.
Brandon Wood + a prospect for Harang?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
mlb network
talking about almost getting oswalt and moving him to another team (rangers)
“cant ruin a relationship” was the reason he didnt
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
oops
lost a line in that
is the former GM for the orioles that was talking about when they were thisclose to trading for oswalt and then flipping him to the rangers (IIRC the astros wouldnt move him to texas) but then told the stros and they yanked oswalt from the ddeal
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
But just as a tv commentator, right?
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
I like him as
the Mets manager when they hire John Hart
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
V-Mart
MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal.
"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley
A Rangers comp
Hunter + Kiker?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Well, it'd be tough to figure out what to do with VMart after this year
But yeah…
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Damn we
like to assume Smoak is going to fucking Tex next year
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
and our catchers are "NOT GOOD" offensively
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
No we just assume that if we bring him up,
we;re going to want to give him as many at bats as possible
Either you
trade him in the offseason, or use him like Cle is using him now and trade him in the offseason.
Doesn’t seem real tough. You have Catchers with options and 1B with options.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
As I mention in the chat at BTF
….you can’t top that without tapping into the Big 4.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew he was bigger
but I thought they both profiled as mid-rotation at best
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Is that real TORP potential
or dstar torp potential?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Honestly
Main = Hagadone…a lot of potential but injury problems. And hunter = masterson
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
So hagadone
has no health problems? Didnt an arm injury knock him out for an extended period of time last yr?
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Main is three years younger
and has thrown twice as many innings this year
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
meh
hagadone > kiker IMO
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Hagadone >>> Bowden, imo.
But absolutely you’re right on the no Bard and Buchholz part.
I’m floored.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 on hagadone > bowden
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree on both
and to the people saying it wouldve been cheap…Hagadone is a very good prospect and it wouldve cost us a lot to match that
Yah, Font + Kiker would've hurt plenty.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
too low
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Masterson + Hagadone > Kiker + Hunter
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know that there is one
Masterson is sort of like Tommy Hunter, but a little better
Hagadone? He’s better than Kiker or Beavan, closer to the majors than the low-A arms, higher ceiling than anyone the Rangers have in AA or AAA other than Feliz.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
but don't you think everyone is better than Hunter?
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
No
I like Hunter. I like Masterson. They are similar. Masterson is just a little better.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
ok why, and not being a jackass
I just see them as equal
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
im gonna disagree
I think Hunter is more legit as a starter, whereas i view Masterson as a pen guy
as for Hagadone, yeah, really like him and as you say, we really dont have a legit comp for him at all
i think wed have to send 3 prospects or 1 of the big 4 to really match it at all
Substitute Font or Main for Kiker.
Though I’m not a big fan of Masterson at all, I guess some people are so maybe he equals Hunter.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
Hagadone has more value than Font or Main.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Hagadone is in low-A.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not further along
He’s in A ball right now and he’s 23. He could very easily move fast through the system, but he’s far away right now.
I disagree.
Font has more value than Hagadone.
To me, at least.
Hagadone is 23 in low-A with a history of arm trouble.
Font is much younger at the same level without the major arm trouble in his recent past.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Bitch
Stop beating me to the punch by seconds.
Except
Adam hates the Rangers.
Just wanted to be the first to get that in.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Hmmm
I think he was higher up. I may be wrong then.
Of course, if you give up Hunter, you then have to make a trade for a starting pitcher.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Doogie Davis!
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
God, if Only
Stacy gets an account on LSB, and Sharky starts posting here more, it will be AWESOME!
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Disagree
I think he has more value than Main and less than Font. Font’s like, 4 years younger than him, and he doesn’t have a TJ surgery under his belt already.
Hagadone’s also displaying some crazy wildness even in low A right now.
Yep, and Font could knock both your eyes out of their sockets w/ one changeup
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 31, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
we probably
couldn’t take on the salary.
Damn, would be nice to get production out of C from time to time even with VMart catching and playing 1B versus lefties.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
if we had any sort of money
we would clean up.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
from MLBTR
1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
wow
did reynolds just say that some liked v-mart more than adrian gonzalez?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
Chacarron
OOOAAAAAAGGGHHHH-OOOOAAAAGGGHHHHHH
Chacarron!
Chacarron!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
really?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Ding Ding Ding!
They played it on the Ticket…evidently Chacarron is slang for Cocaine.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
LIke the Mexican, non-union equivalent
of Biz Markie
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Here's where I first heard that song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYtadRiuIxY
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
what did I do to be
at the top of moron mountain but talk about baseball? But because I disagree with you guys’ I am a moron.
Bobby Jindal '12
he is still a kid
once he goes to college like young miles, he’ll be…better?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 31, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Not my opinion...
but it certainly explains a lot of the moron talk.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 31, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Look
if you disagree, it’s fine, but you need to understand that there are a lot of people here who are:
1) infinitely more informed than you
2) pissed off at the world/frustrated from lack of sexual activity
3) drunk
4) itching to take a gigantic dump on your head
If and when you disagree with someone here and decide to voice that disagreement, you should first:
1) Make sure it’s not Josey.
2) Research your position and theirs thouroughly using metrics beyond ERA and/or AVG
3) Craft a well-thought-out, humble response
4) Put on a cup, because you are going to get kicked in the balls
Basically, my point is this, you’re among many wise and ornery sages in this place (of whom I do not claim to be one). You should probably spend more time reading/listening than posting. Just sayin’.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he has been around a lot longer than you think
you are wasting your breath – or – finger strength
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Nevermind
Just saw that you’re an Aggie and believe in the Reagan coalition. Forget everything I said above go choke on a pistol.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
I didn't really mean that.
You shouldn’t kill yourself. It’s bad for you.
But you should cut your fingers off and never type again.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
So who would do Main and Hunter
for Victor Martinez? I think those are decent comps
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
Another catcher who is looking like more of a pure DH these days?
Glad we didnt.
Rocky Mountain Ranger
What does that mean?
Are you suggesting that anyone in this organization other than Ramirez fits that profile?
by brettgardner on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Im saying
that adding a C/1b is the last thing we need. Take a look at the depth chart. The pure DH comment had more to do with him being on the DL alot the past two years.
Rocky Mountain Ranger
Why is that
The last thing we need?
Seems like one of the first things we need.
by brettgardner on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you
Feel comfortable with Salty’s offense?
by brettgardner on Jul 31, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldnt say comfortable but...
to go out and pick up A type C like Vmart is not justified. Funny though last year you would be asking me if I feel comfortable with his defense. Im only assuming here obviously but if a deal was made one of our C would have been packaged in .
Rocky Mountain Ranger
VMart
would have only on the team through the end of 10. Plenty of time for those players after then.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I would rather not stunt Salty for another 18 months in his development
Hes made huge strides this year defensively playing everyday and I think his offense will come back.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I do worry
that he’s at the 750 PA mark Thad Levine and JD believe in, and his career line ain’t so great
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Hes 23 years old
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
24
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
OK still
ILl give him at least one more if not two full years before calling him a bust offensively
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You can give him
as many years as folks gave Laird. I don’t think it will change much.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Hey, maybe I'm wrong
but I think the whole “Salty is gonna hit like a 1B” or around 850 OPS is a lot of crap, and he is likely going to be another 250/300/400 Rangers catcher.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Good luck with all that
255 BA and 350 OBP? You can put down the crack pipe as those two numbers will never coexist for Salty.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I don't necessarily disagree longterm, but..
2008: .253/.352
the preceding post was a great success.
Maybe not, but his history suggests its possible..
Last year – 99 point spread with a .253 BA
Average spread in the minors – 97 points
Only 1 year in the minors with under an 80 point spread.
I’d say the kid has a good eye; he just needs to remember that it appears.
I’m willing to give him another year before I jump ship.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
See thats where we disagree
I think he will keep his power hes shown this year while getting back some of that patience he showed last year and eventually end up a .255/.350/.400 type hitter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I doubt it
I don’t see a lot of hitters gaining patience under Rudy. Maybe pick up some power, but thats about it.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
of course, my post above IS contingent on Rudy not polluting his approach
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Mebbe no Rudy
in ’10?
I mean, how hard would it be to justify paying what it would take to keep him, with the financial bind we’ve been, and fountain of suck our offense has been this year?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
That's the problem
the only patience you see is from veteran hitters who got their basic approach with another team, and just use Rudy as a swing doctor. I also think its more than just Rudy, but our Team Leaders like MY endorse the approach.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
What makes you say that?
Team Leaders like MY endorse the approach.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
cause he derives most of his OBP from BA
and you can see it in their approach. 2-0 doesn’t mean potential walk; it means hitter’s count
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Because he and Kinsler
were quoted as saying this offense didn’t need more patience, just more energy. Career MY is like an OBP-AVG of 50 career.
When he doesn’t hit 320, he isn’t so productive. He needs a high BA to be productive.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Is there any science behind looking at that spread??
Just a gut feel, but I would bet there is a pretty strong correlation between a team’s OBP-BA number and the consistency of their offense.
I know it’s there using simple common sense, but does anyone know of anyone analyzing it?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Except
our C is one of the worst performing positions we have offensively, and neither Davis or Blalock have shown they can reliably hit lefties.
IF you are going to upgrade the offense, I don’t see any other player that could have done it and meshed in with our team.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Not necessarily
If we played VMart at catcher against RHP and 1B against LHP (allowing us to sit Hank) that would be fine. The problem I see is we would only play him at catcher and you would essentially be stopping Saltys development for the season and possibly next season since he has a very reasonable option price for next year. Plus the drop in defense from the catcher position could be a huge issue
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Sucks to be Salty
if you are the guy that is the easiest guy to upgrade in the lineup, thats generally a bad thing.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
It would be an upgrade offensively
But a pretty big decline defensively which I don’t know how that fits this club. Our defense has been superb so far and helped us more than an improvement from one guy offensively will
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Realistically
its the only way to upgrade this offense though.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Completely agree
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Hell, I'd love one of those on the 25 right now
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
More:
Mayo also says the two clubs are looking at additional names to add for Cleveland.
"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley
Well that could change things COMPLETELY
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Pure guess
but I’m thinking JD, lottery ticket style guy
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Matters who it is
but i think you are right in assuming it wont be a main guy
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Still wonder if Boston's gonna deal Penny today, and if so, will we be interested?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Im sure we will
and im sure that every team is calling us because our farm system is so deep.
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends on the price
Waddya think he’s worth, Dirky?
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
wouldn't we have to make someone take
Padilla in any trade for a starter?
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Yep
they’ll hold on to Doc, Soriano style and get fucked. Good luck with that JP.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
The Pimp deserves
all the hate he gets.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
EG on the Ticket in 3 minutes.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Next year
with a maturing farm system and financial flexability (hopefully) the Rangers will be the one scooping up players at the deadline.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Playing with league averages
to further futz with the 3.75-ERA-makes-you-a-TORP dude-
League average ERA in the Al is 4.38 right now. That means the difference between dude’s TORP and real league average is .63 runs per nine innings pitched- which equals out to 14 runs over a 200 inning season.
I’m not the best sabremeticulist in the world, but that’s a pretty fucking narrow margin from awesome to average.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
it's dead
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely still possible
I just don’t think it’s terribly likely.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Either we're in JD's signature calm before the storm...
Or it’s dead.
Pray to god it’s the latter.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
sorry
stick with the plan. If I actually thought he could get Halladay for mainly one of the top 4, then I’d be happy.
But I know that it would cost 1 of the top 4 + Borbon + Chris Davis + Beaven, most likely….. soo incredibly not worth it in my eyes.
i'll pray to god ricciardi folds and does it for an acceptable package, thanks!
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I don't see how anyone could completely rule out the possibility,
unless they’re party to the talks (or lack thereof).
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Heh. I wasn't going to post it.
But I’m glad someone did.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
From FOX:
The Angels also are talking to the Padres about Bell.
"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley
Now that is something I could see them doing
They need bullpen help something fierce
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
1:18pm: Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times says the Angels and Dodgers are battling for Bell.
Fuck yeah, battle ’em good, Dodgers.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
At least
drive the price up :-)
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hope they
have to give up Wood and Kendrick
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Its painful enough to spend weeks talking about trades and then for nothing to happen
I wonder how JD feels after being on the phone all day for weeks trying it.
Of course, hes getting paid.
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I do think Newberg may have been right
when he said people would only look at our top prospects because we are so deep
by death of the cool on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a little disappointed by the anti-climatic trade deadline.
Oh well though. Let’s hope we have enough.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
The Red Sox deal is done. Done deal.
"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley
so has anything happened/
I’m working from my car today and found some wifi but it’s so bright I can barely read. Anything (of siginficance) happen yet?
For who?
Tigers got Washburn, Redsox got V-Mart, twins got O-cab…
Rangers have had abosolutely nothing in the rumor pages.
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I think the only hope is the Jay's settling without Holland.
Ain’t happening though.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
victor martinez to the bosox
hagadone and masterson
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
thnaks
I was wondering who the hell ‘v mart’ was. Hate these abbreviated nicknames.
well back to work and thanks for the info KO and Shep.
by Black Francis on Jul 31, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
let us know if you come back
in abt 45 or an hr nd can update
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Rumor has it they're asking for the moon in return.
And getting mooned in response.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I think he's wrong, but certainly it's close.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw he said he likes masterson better than hunter
so i wonder what pitcher would have made that deal better
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
eh....
Seems like any BOS or NYY prospects are always going to get bonus points for being in their systems
by Captain Snappy on Jul 31, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
So?
There was discussion about what an equivalent package from the Rangers would have been. There’s been quite a bit about it in this thread.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have said Masterson > Hunter
I know that was up the thread.
Masterson doesn’t even have a change to retire lefthanders. That sort of puts a ceiling on his starter profile.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we at least give away Guaradado again and call up feliz?
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Ron would flip out
with Ceej being the only lefty in the pen
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
That'd be less of a problem if Frankie ever plans on pitching again.
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To a rational person, yah
But I’m talking about Ron Washington
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 31, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guardardo
I dont think hes going anywhere, they are close enough in the division that they wouldnt want to lose a bullpen/clubhouse leader
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Who would tell the other team's manager to zip it?
I wish he had done hat to Sciocia>
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
I think you send Madrigal down
and dfa Diamond? or Mendosa?
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Bannister is still taking up a spot on the 40.
Whatever magic he had last season is now gone.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 31, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah him to
but any of the three and Bannister is the youngest
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
He's also the worst.
I can almost guarantee you that he’s the next guy off the 40.
by NoNameOnCard on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup
Bannister would be candidate #1 to move off the 40
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I think any of the three would make it through
with Mendoza having the best chance to go all Gallaraga on our asses
by blueballlefty on Jul 31, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Diamond is the most likely to make it through
and stay in the system
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
mlbn just reported its 2 pitchers to cle
brian price
hagadone
masterson
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
pay attention to the chat adam
people be asking you questions
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Yeah about 20 of them are asking if the Rangers will make a move.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
MLB Network’s Tom Verducci says pitcher Bryan Price is the third hurler going to Cleveland in the trade.
"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley
Oh, wow.
That changes things quite a bit.
Price is really, really interesting.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
He’s fun to talk to. I’d date him.
by rangersfan32 on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Man, you should keep bring the clever super hard and making this same joke.
It’s only going to get funnier.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
did he dump you because you couldn't get it up?
i heard that about you
by rangersfan32 on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Supplemental 1st rounder from last year out of Rice.
Big time arm, making the odd swing guy/reliever in college to starter in the pro’s transition.
They snagged him with the comp pick from Gagne I believe.
I saw him pitch in person earlier this year.
He’s good.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
jbimaknee sez
all Rice pitchers break down.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Not unless they're willing to deal Kershaw or Billingsly
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Doubtful
because they wont give up Kershaw
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
No way do the Dodgers have enough to pull that off.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Dodgers are going all in
like they should.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
So apparently the Marlins don't think they're gonna get anything done
Guess that takes them out of the running for Johnson and Bell…
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Yep they're just gonna close shop with 45 minutes to go
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Adam LaRoche back to the Braves
Hah, Kotchman sucks. I can’t believe the Angels got away with that trade.
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kotchman
and they kept trying to pawn him off on the rangers in a teix deal
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I still remember some angels fans trying to tell me kotchma was almost as good as tex at the time
it was fun.
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i still remember angels fans bitching that they had the best package
- you’re within the division, dumbasses
- no…no you didn’t at all
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
OH SHAZAM!!!
Jerry Hairston jr is a Yankee.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
I'll never forget the day the Nevin-JHJ trade went down
And Mike Ogulnick was just hyping JHJ up like crazy. Good times.
by Joey Matschulat on Jul 31, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
i think he should put in that move NOW
you dont want to mess around with jhj!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
C'mon JD
get Josh Willingham.
"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley
Johnson or Willy
Whichevers cheaper.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
I don't like adding bats
They never seem to work out, or help out that much.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
Carlos Lee worked out pretty nicely.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
especially
when all they are are platoon help. Adding a DH just seems borderline retarded when one of your top OPSers is the DH.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Joe Beimel to the Rox
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
i still cant believe that they wouldnt trade drabek for halladay
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
I can
Considering they got lee for less
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
For realz
What’s so hard to understand about that?
Lee+Drabek is a better deal than Doc-Drabek
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
halladay > lee to me
not as high on drabek as some
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course Halladay is better than Lee
I don’t think that was his point.
by brettgardner on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
my point was that i dont think drabek is that great
equally i dont think happ is great
but yea, dtron brown >>> donald/marson
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Halladay would've been much more expensive in terms of prospects and cash.
Don’t forget that Drabek/Knapp weren’t the only differences in the Halladay/Lee deals.
Brown and Happ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Marson, Donald and Carrasco.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You are going to hear this quite a bit over the next few weeks... but this trade deadline means less than most years.
Anyone owed a decent bit of money is still very much a threat to get dealt the coming weeks.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
I've already heard it quite a bit over the past few weeks.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
We hear that a lot
that there are still deals made after the deadline, but it rarely happens. Guys like Halladay are still gonna get claim blocked. The guys that make it through are the Blalocks and Padillas
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
rockies got joe beimel
interesting
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
no shit? ha
You are obsessed with bodily wastes A turd being held under my nose, this team being a steaming pile, Jonny Donuts having a stinky diaper, the front office pissing themselves, the team crapping the bed…
I think you should seek counselling.
(AJM to Josey Donuts)
by Michael Cave on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
AJM, from the BTB chat
Should have made it a three-way deal with the Dodgers and gotten Loney involved.
LOL
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
all potential Tex trade targets if i remember correctly
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I also remember multiple analysts saying we'd be smart to
take salty for tex straight up if thats what it came down to.
start hitting salty!!!!
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Wow. I find this funny.
"I can wake up out of the bed and play outfield. It's easy." --Milton Bradley
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