4th of July Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2009 10:04 AM CDT
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Back in a tie for first place. 8 games above .500. Things don't seem so bad for a Rangers fan right now.
Jeff Wilson writes that a solid effort from Tommy Hunter and strong defense let the Rangers overcome another weak offensive night last night. Hank Blalock had a huge homer, but otherwise, the offense was pretty much stymied again.
Jeff (the writer) Miller writes that this series has the potential of being a "trap series", coming between a home series against Anaheim and a road series against Anaheim, but Hunter and the defense came up big to take game 1.
Getting Josh Hamilton back is expected to provide a boost to the offense, but Hamilton has gone 1 for 16 in his rehab stint thusfar, and Ron Washington and Jon Daniels say it will now be Sunday at the earliest before Hamilton is back. They want to see him have better ABs before he's activated.
mlb.com's write-up of players who have debuted in the majors this week focuses primarily on Julio Borbon.
Nolan Ryan and Jon Daniels both say Tom Hicks' financial situation hasn't impacted what they are doing so far, and Ryan says he suspects that any sale of the team won't happen until after the season.
Brandon Boggs suffered a separated shoulder last night, and the Rangers are going to evaluate him today to see how serious the injury is.
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Smoak to AAA
Joey with the breaking news, Goyo with the fanshot.
Happy 4th everybody.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
by lonestarJon on Jul 4, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Err, make that spurdynasty with the fanshot.
I’m getting my LSB guru’s confused this morning.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
by lonestarJon on Jul 4, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak vs Omaha for 4 games
He’ll face Lenny DiNardo, Kyle Davies, Sidney Ponson and Brandon Duckworth.
by shroomer on Jul 4, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to think if he continues to do in AAA what he was doing in AA
that he’s going to be up with the big club sooner rather than later. I think the longer the Rangers stay around 1st place will also increase the odds. That’s exciting.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 4, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
~12 months from Draft to MLB
Stunning.
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Jul 4, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
1 XBH since coming back from the oblique.
I blame Rudy.
by LiamP on Jul 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, nice.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in: MJH loves Cankles, hyperbole.
Link.
I’ve been trying to sort through the prospects at the halfway point of the minor league season to figure out how I’d rank them at this point. One (Martin Perez) and two (Neftali Feliz) and three (Justin Smoak) are definites. After that, it’s up for grabs and Wieland would certainly be in the top ten for me right now, if not the top five.
I have to kind of pinch myself and remind my baseball pants that MJH is an excitable guy, especially when it comes to young pitchers.
But, still, praise like that is fantastic to hear.
His numbers through 31 innings are nuts.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, MJH is like the anit-Finnerty.
But still… awesome. I can’t wait for our midseason CPP man.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
by lonestarJon on Jul 4, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Wieland is 12 months younger than Blake Beavan.
One year from now will Wieland be in AA?
by shroomer on Jul 4, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a good part
of that decision will be whether we’re still in the Cal league next year.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 4, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obvioudly the main factor will be Joe W's performance
but I wonder if they’ll be more apt to let high-end pitching prospects play out a full year in High-A if our stadium didn’t play like the moon at that level.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addendum
Two points-
1. I obivoudly don’t know how to spell.
2. Wieland is still about a half-year behind Beav, given that Cap spent the whole year in low-A last year as opposed to all the time Joe served in EST. Which just makes Beav’s rise up the ladder look all the more impressive, given the relative caution they’ve shown with other high-end stateside prep arms.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 4, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not quite sure I follow
Wieland was added to HIC on May 18th
Beavan was added to CLN on Apr 29th – 3 weeks difference
by shroomer on Jul 4, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Beav started last year in Clinton, and Wieland was in EST longer
My mistake
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by Keynes on Jul 4, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to MLBTR, the Rangers are apparently interested in Yankee's Wang,
What would it take to get him and should we be interested?
by CRUSHDAVIS on Jul 4, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wang?
He’s been pretty awful this year. I’d rather keep using guys like Hunter.
by Redcaps on Jul 4, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
do the last few years not matter at all?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 4, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Wang's a bit of a risk, but he's got some nice upside.
He could just be completely gone, never to recover whatever it was that allowed him to succeed without missing many bats. But there’s an equally good chance that he’s still gonna be good once he gets his head back on right, and I suspect getting him out of NY might go along way towards helping him do that.
He’s got two more years of team control after this so it’s not like he’d be a rental.
Seems like an extreme sinkerballer-type like Wang would be the kind of pitcher we should be looking to bring in here and play in front of this defense the next 2-3 years.
Yah, I’d be interested.
Depends on the price, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could we foister Blalock to them for him?
Elsewise it’s tough to see us taking on the salary owed to him, and he’s bound to be more pircey if they’re picking up the tab
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 4, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like they want something of value back,
Per Joey, via espn:
Philadelphia reportedly offered a prospect “not to the Yankees’ liking” for Wang
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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by Rodney on Jul 4, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, read that on mlbtraderumors.
That’s gloriously vague, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They already have a 1b and a lefty DH incapable of playing the field in Matsui.
They ain’t gonna want Blalock.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suggested Byrd last night.
However, I don’t think the club can afford to trade him, given Hammy’s season thus far, and two, I don’t see Wang helping too much this season.
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jul 4, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would do byrd for him in a heartbeat
but thatsjust me
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 4, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, me too.
I’m fine running Borbon out there in CF for the time being (or even for the rest of the season if necessary) if it means getting a guy who could help us this year and the next two.
I like what Byrd brings to this team, but Byrd for Wang is a no-brainer I’d think.
And it could help the Yanks, too. Though I’m guessing we’d have to throw a nice piece or two with Byrd to entice the Yanks into biting on that one.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would they be interested in Murphy?
don’t know, just asking. I would like Borbon in CF, Byrd in LF and Cruz in RF-Hamilton DH for a while.
Definiton of insanity-doing the same thing and expecting different results
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by randyd on Jul 4, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd think they'd prefer Byrd.
Murphy needs to be platooned vs. LHP’s and is limited defensively to LF, and that’s where they have Damon.
Though he is cheaper and could be useful for multiple years for them, so perhaps they’d like him better… I mean, anything is possible.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's not where the Yanks have a need.
Try the bullpen (I doubt they’d take Guardado straight up.) Maybe CJ.
by Redcaps on Jul 4, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may be overvaluing Siege here
but ugh on that one.
I wonder how well the Wanger could do in Jennings’ role
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by Keynes on Jul 4, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i probably wouldnt want to deal Ceej for Wang either
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jul 4, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, no.
Byrd is the only dealable ML piece I can see them having a real interest in.
Maybe Teagarden since they need to rest Posada so often and also need a guy around who can play regularly now that Posada is entering his “DL twice a season” phase.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they have an interest in Byrd?
They are having bullpen issues… kind of like the Rangers.
by Redcaps on Jul 4, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have bullpen issues.
Other than Guardado. Mathis will be gone soon enough.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 4, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like an extreme sinkerballer-type like Wang would be the kind of pitcher we should be looking to bring in here and play in front of this defense the next 2-3 years.
this is exactly my reasoning
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 4, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ground ball rate is nice
and his last couple of starts have showed a lot of improvement. Not a guy I’d get all excited about, but might be worth a shot.
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by t ball on Jul 4, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes not a guy your ever going to get going into last year
even going into this year
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 4, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wang
He’ll cost $7 million or so in arbitration next year, so he seems like someone the Rangers would more likely non-tender than keep around.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he pitched well enough for us to want to keep him around at all then I'd think 7mm would be fine for next year.
Right now we’ve only got one veteran starter coming back next season and only three names I feel comfortable writing into the rotation (Millwood, Feldman and Der-Hol). Salary wise we’ve got plenty of gristle coming off the books this year. I don’t think the idea of paying 7mm for 1 year of Wang is really that outlandish. I think it’d be a rather foregone conclusion, actually… assuming he doesn’t completely implode.
And, if he does implode completely once here, what did we lose?
It’s not like we were gonna multi-year Marlon Byrd. (Assuming the price is Byrd + some filler, as mentioned above.)
And if he came over and was hit-or-miss like he’s been of late, why would he get a raise in arb?
It’s traditionally 40/60/80, but I’d think 40 of what he was purported to be last Winter might actually be more than what 60 of what his worth will be this Winter.
Or is there some rule that you have to offer a raise in arb as you move forward?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wang
Let’s say he comes here and posts an ERA of around 5.00.
You’d be fine going into next year with him on the book at $7 million?
Realize that means there’s no money for Ben Sheets, for example…you probably can’t afford both of them.
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 4, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think Wang would have to be a bit more than an LAIE in front of this defense in order to justify bringing him back, at the expense of Sheets. Granted, Sheets is no guarantee, but worth the earmarking of money.
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 4, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends a lot on how he looked, but, maybe.
Though I think he’d be a bit better than that here. Certainly has the potential anyhow.
Right now we have one veteran starter of any experience penciled into next year’s rotation. I’d feel really nervous about going into next Spring rocking a rotation where were counting on Sheets as one of our veteran anchors.
What sort of deal do you think Sheets would get coming off all these injuries? Not too much, I’d think. Incentive laden.
And don’t even pretend to know what our payroll picture is gonna look like this Winter. No one has any idea. This is a team that should be looking to add some payroll for next season, especially given all the money coming off the books, but the ownership situation could have us shedding.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 5, 2009 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
$7 mill? Yikes. I'd rather sign CJ to a 3 yr $10 million deal
and be assured a top shelf reliever / potential starter than gamble $7mill
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Jul 4, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
potential starter?
uhhh what?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 4, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CJ as a starter needs to be put to rest
There was a time when that might have been a possibility, but that’s no longer the case. He’s not going to start another game for the Rangers.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Jul 4, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is still talk in the clubhouse about it
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Jul 4, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's cool, but its never going to happen
we’re going to have a lot of guys looking to break into the rotation and moving a great bullpen piece to try the rotation for the first time in years isn’t going to happen.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jul 4, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pee-wee's Playhouse?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jul 4, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
an appropriate name for Washington!
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Jul 4, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You work in the clubhouse though, right?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jul 4, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we played Wang, his stuff seemed to be there
he was throwing a pretty good sinker at 94 or so… I dont think that’s really the problem. He was hurt early in the year and thats gonna skew his # this year, but if he’s there mentally, Id love to have him. As you said, with our defense, he could be a very effective guy to bring in here
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jul 4, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well scratch the Wang talks...
he left today’s Yanks game with a strained shoulder.
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
by rangers85 on Jul 4, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prolly for the best.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jul 4, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I’m ok with that option being off the table.
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by t ball on Jul 4, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more than OK with it.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"I don’t think we ever envisioned that anyone could shut this offense down to one hit" - Ron Washington
by lonestarJon on Jul 5, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more like the Yanks pulled their Wang early
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Jul 5, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well my "Rangers are hopeless and should start trying to trade everyone"
post the other day is looking more idiotic with each passing win. Of course, I prefer being an idiot with the Rangers in first than being a prescient genius with the Rangers out of it.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 4, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MY quote ...
"It’s probably been the strength of this club, making sure we bear down on the task at hand," 3B Michael Young said.
Except when you have RISP, right Mikey?
by shroomer on Jul 4, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or when he's, you know, having the ball hit to him in the field.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8 games above .500
not 9 games above .500
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by willamos2 on Jul 4, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
also, isn't Hamilton 3 for 16?
i think i read that somewhere else
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Jul 4, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He had a coupla hits for OKC vs Roundrock back in May
probably where the numbers get crossed up – 1/16 in this latest rehab stint
by shroomer on Jul 4, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers:
So Broke, We Can’t Pay Our Electric Bill
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by PM Productions on Jul 4, 2009 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But...we made payroll
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Jul 4, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And drafted players demanding well above slot...
…and paid $2.5M for international free agents…
by Texas_Dawg on Jul 4, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Centerfield camera angles
Interesting story about dead-on vs. offset camera positioning for broadcasts.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 4, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
Many stadiums would seem to be ill-equipped to allow those sorts of dead center camera angles, though.
Where would they stand at the RBIA?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 4, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
there’s a concessions building at the top of the hill — right in front of the kids park — with a seldom used walkway between the lawn and the building. Seems like a perfect fit.
by robert_d_wilfong on Jul 4, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i suggested the straight on camera to chuck last year and he said he'd pass the idea along
guess someone was opposed or they didn’t like where the camera would be heh.
i do like the straight on camera, i dislike having to guess how inside/outside a pitch was/is. Or look it up on still somewhat questionable pitch tracking.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jul 4, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really went out on a limb with that one. 0.o
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jul 4, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For many reasons, it would be awesome for the team to go on a roll right now,
but one in particular I like is that I think it would allow Hamilton to relax and not try to win games by himself when he comes back.
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by t ball on Jul 4, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Ryan says he suspects that any sale of the team won’t happen until after the season.
by Texas_Dawg on Jul 4, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, team sales typically take a while
so I don’t think you’re alone with that opinion. It would be quite shocking if a sale happened even as soon as October or November, in my opinion.
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by t ball on Jul 4, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Just a fwiw for Dirk Diggler.
by Texas_Dawg on Jul 4, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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