LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #2
by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 11:08 AM CDT
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It's oh so nice to get the ball rolling, isn't it?
Lot's of good discussion generated. I like it.
After 274 votes, Justin Smoak has won the right to be called the LSB Community #1 prospect!
The List So Far:
Time to move on to the vote for #2.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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Yay, #2!
AJM seems to have left everyone high and dry this morning, but I knew you’d come through sooner or later Dirky.
Feliz all day, all the way for me.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who voted for Kiker?
Speak up and justify yourself.
I voted Feliz; Perez is next.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow kiker?
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
i guess taking a no hitter into the 7th gets you a vote. Definitely Feliz for me.
1. Smoak
2. Feliz
3. Perez
4. Purke
5. Scheppers
6. Beavan
7. Main
8. Wieland
9. Ross
10. Beltre
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoak
feliz
perez
scheppers
purke
beavan
and then 7-10 something like the guys you have, just unsure b/c i want to se more from ross/wieland and find out wtf is going on w/ main
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Main and Beltre have been disappointing but both are still really young. Ross has just been flat dominant while Wieland just seems like the type of prospect that will steadily climb up the list each season.
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im just not 100% sold on weiland as a top 10 guy
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, me too.
I have a hard time ranking him and Ross over guys like Font, Borbon and Max.
They’re certainly in the mix in that range, though.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to vote Wieland here, since he's gonna be a Hall of Famer and all
But not wanting to appear crazy, I settled on Feliz.
by tyd3311 on Jul 7, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have kind
of soured on MaxRam for now. Even though I wanted you to put Borbon on the list i have kind of eliminated him from contention because im HOPING he gets 130 ABs this yr to make himself ineligible. Font would be #11 with Kiker right behind him
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im very "meh" on kiker
i would put font above weiland come to think of it, but then again im as big of a fan of font as you will probably find lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Thomas would like to debate that last part with you.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, I love me some Font, but no one is as perpetually engorged for Wilmer like Old painty Can Thomas is.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's good to see him back on the mainstream radar
Last year, I was dumbfounded by the lack of love he was getting.
It was like Longhorn at da club lack of love.
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 9, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not pitching very much + some rather serious other problems will do that to a guy.
But he was still young and still had that golden arm.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 9, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This year
it will be Main that plummets for many. There are a lot of “what have you done for me lately” voters here.
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by t ball on Jul 9, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Main
Ive been a main supporter and im even down on him some. its not so much a what have you done for me lately more of what has he done. He just hasnt had much chance to shine yet but has all the potential in the world.
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by rentz on Jul 9, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
everyone has their favorite prospects. Mine is definitely Beavan. I think he will surprise a lot of ppl with his success in the pros
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Main is still the guy I follow most closely.
What a weird beginning to his career. Stress fracture, undiagnosed fatigue-inducing illness. ugh.
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by rooster on Jul 8, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now!
A little suspense please. We’re only up to #2. Lets not post our future picks.
Here’s a thought. Each day, everyone can post who they have voted each day up to the current day. At the end, we will be able to see how close each person’s opinion is to the group. For this exercise, if you don’t pick with the crowd for a day, you will probably end up with duplicates in your list since you will most likely pick the same person again tomorrow.
My list so far is boring:
1. Smoak
2. Feliz
I’ll probably be boring tomorrow, too, but doubt I’ll be with the majority on #4.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 7, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same for me.
Smoak followed by Feliz, though I considered Perez instead of Feliz.
I’ll admit it, the move to the ’pen scares me.
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by Aquaman56 on Jul 7, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak and Happy also
NorCal makes a good point. It would be nice to see the list created without the room abusing the outliers. I see both sides of the argument, but I lean more towards the unbiased selections. I agree with Tball that some picks should be validated with some reasoning. The way Moreland is hitting this year, it doesn’t surprise me he rec’d some votes(I don’t agree, but I can see it).
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by Parman on Jul 8, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People like showing their hilariousness by voting for random people.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
and two slackjawed fools just voted for Poveda and Moreland.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there anyway
to check who voted for who besides clicking the user’s name?
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None that I know of.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not advocating
some sort of witch hunt, just a severe beating. Seriously, though, if you’re going to vote for someone completely out of the consensus like that, have the balls to show up and say why.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odds are, Longhorn is the culprit.
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really, you could probably leave most of those random guys off when we're going through the first few polls
There shouldn’t be too much debate until the top 3 is rounded out this year, and you wouldn’t have had to painstakingly place all those random dudes on the poll.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After #3 an interesting battle will ensue...
Scheppers or Purke? Then #6 will be a free for all
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scheppers has the higher ceiling
Perez might eclipse them all, but he’s far enough away that I give the nod here to the guy with the incredible fastball, control issues and secondary pitches be damned. Scheppers #4, Purke #5.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
The Schepps/Purke debate should be interesting. The more advanced arm with the injury history, or the high school kid with the bigger learning curve ahead of him?
What I’m really looking forward to is filling out the last half of the top 10. I’m not really even sure how I’ll vote 6-10 yet, so I really can’t wait to see what other peoples angles will be on ranking guys who are on the rise and dropping guys like Main and Max.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Main will be the most interesting case for me
I have him at 7 right now but im really lost on where to rank him. I have Purke over Scheppers mainly due to potential but how can vote FOR potential when are you are voting AGAINST a guy who throws as hard as Scheppers.
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so why?
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kiss my ass, bitch.. i voted for kasey
i’ll take kiker over feliz.
hell kiker is having a damn good season so far. kiker’s going to be more important in the long run anyway
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by whittlemantastic on Jul 8, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
I’m going to just step away very slowly. That just blew my mind.
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by WestTxAg06 on Jul 8, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please explain this
how is he going to be more important, he has what — at 15% chance of being a starting pitcher
beyond that, his ceiling in the pen is what, CJ Wilson — so say he has a 5-10% chance of being that
how is kiker > font?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 9, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, it's HH
that’s your explanation.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering my #3 prospect just went off the board, I'll go with my #1 again.
Feliz, Feliz, Feliz!
Huge, easy fastball + 2nd best FIP in his league as a 21 year old in AAA.
Yah.
Daddy likes the way this chicken moves.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is the biggest stat of all
The 2nd best FIP, decreased walk to K ratio, and hes 21 in AAA… Whats the median age in AAA, 26-27? Dominance…. I have my doubts that he will be a good starter, but we shall see…
Last 5 Games:
11 2/3 inn…
10 Hits
2 Runs, both earned
2 walks
13 K’s
1.45 ERA
Thats with 1 start, and 4 relief appearances…. Prett darn good
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by PM Productions on Jul 7, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best part of that line
Is the decrease of the walks. He really is adjusting to that league now and is really getting ahold of the command issue that he had at the beginning of the year. Probably realized he can’t throw his fastball by guys all day wherever he threw it i guess
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by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Median Age in AAA
should be less than that if you exclude all the “non-prospects” and journeymen.
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by chrisR on Jul 7, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, Martin at #2?
Above Smoak. Wow.
Lot of crap can go wrong with Martin Perez, considerably less with Smoak, and the ceilings at their positions are about the same.
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by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIP
his FIP is due to in a very large way to his 1.6% HR/FB ratio. Do you believe he will be able to carry a ratio that is about 6x better than Brandon Webb, Johan Santana, and Roy Halladay and 3x better than Lincecum? If you regress the HR% his FIP is more like 3.77 which is still very good.
He’s still very good but I think FIP is a bit misleading here I think.
by bushe on Jul 7, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, he's been this way all the way up through the minor leagues
I dont think he can maintain that low of a HR rate, but i also bet he has a real low one compared to the rest of the LG… Im not sure what its related too exactly, but i bet the movement + velocity makes it almost impossible to put a good HR swing on it.
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by blalock84 on Jul 7, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta think feliz wins in a runaway here
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Happy
FIP of 3 that’s even lower if you take out the first month or so, when Feliz was evidently battling injuries. Possibly the best fastball in the Minors (Until Stras signs), two developing secondary pitches, and still very young.
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by Conjunction on Jul 7, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Feliz was battling injuries?
I hadn’t heard that. What kind?
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by bigsteve on Jul 7, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably talking about the shoulder issue he had at the beginning of the year
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by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think Feliz has a better Fastball
at least, its hard to beat an 80 fastball. His movement+velocity is just so unique. Obviously, Stras’ secondary pitches set him apart
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by blalock84 on Jul 7, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I almost voted Perez just because I think it needs to be a lot closer
They are very different but both very good.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone is voting some proximity
in terms of Feliz. He is sooooo close. Plus an 100 mph FB is always tantalizing. My friend and I were discussing this yesterday and he is steadfast that Perez will be the best pitcher out of Holland, Feliz, Scheppers, Beavan, and Purke.
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you made me lay down a bet
I might go with Perez out of the whole group too. You have to project his pitches to believe that, but the makings of the whole package are there.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well what will be nice is that
by the time Perez should be ready to make his debut (sometime im 2011 i hope, probably near the end of it) Holland and Feliz will hopefully be firmly entrenched on the staff. I keep harping on this but these unending waves of pitching prospects is amazing.
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez again.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
by scoop16 on Jul 7, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cahill voted for Moreland
Cahill voted for Moreland
by tyd3311 on Jul 7, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Seriously?
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he hasn't posted in this thread, and I'm too lazy to go find one of his comments, so I'll take your word on it.
Wonder why.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause Cahill thinks things like this are lame and so he finds pleasure in voting for someone silly and watching us get riled up.
Cahill is pretty much just a real douchey dick.
If you’re ever wondering why he’s doing anything at any given time, it’s cause he’s a real douchey dick.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's wha t I thought
I would’ve been willing to give him the benifit of the doubt, but yeah, that’s probably it.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's definitely it.
He voted for Max the first time.
And trust me he’s loving that we’re talking about it.
He thinks he’s hilarious and awesome.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I can't believe is that tyd actually went and found out who had voted for Moreland.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not hard to guess.
Something pointlessly douchey goes down, there’s a 95% Cahill is behind it, chuckling into his morning milkshake.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
chuckling into his morning milkshake
Hilarious.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see dirkatron
turning beet red while he borders on a stroke and flinging things around because not everyone is taking his awesome poll seriously.
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by DJCahill on Jul 7, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz for me
I love Perez and he’s right up there with Feliz for me, but why wouldn’t you vote for the ace in AAA over the ace in A.
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by Gdawg on Jul 7, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Feliz makes perfect sense,
but I wouldn’t say their ace domination is comparable this year. Perez has been more dominating. But it’s 6 of one, half a dozen of another.
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by scoop16 on Jul 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talking about the potential
Neither of them have been pitching like complete aces this season with Feliz working on his stuff in AAA while Perez is working on building his stamina in A ball.
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by Gdawg on Jul 7, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
id disagree with that somewhat
I dont know what more needs to be done to pitch more like an ace. Perez has been absolutely dominate in low A with a redic K rate and a rather low walk rate. Feliz’s ERA isnt amazing, but his FIP on the year has been. Id have to say both have pretty much pitched like aces this year
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by blalock84 on Jul 7, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
happy happy all the way
Derek Holland-2011 AL Cy Young
by Martijn1309 on Jul 7, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Feliz's entrance music when he joins the bullpen later in the year
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by WestTxAg06 on Jul 7, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Escobar
He should pitch tonight or tomorrow – watch how he does. Just turned 17. If he puts up another good outing you should probably add him to the list – ’cause he smells like he might need to be in one of the next talent tiers we consider.
by shroomer on Jul 7, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a chance he sees Spokane?
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 7, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The HIC and SPO rotos are pretty crammed.
Especially with Doyle signing and Tullis emerging.
Any other year I might say yeah, but this year probably not.
However, if he DOES go to SPO – suckahs need to recognize.
by shroomer on Jul 7, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doyle
Nothing out there about when he’ll debut, I guess?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No hint - bet he's been throwing sides
Will probably pitch in relief a coupla outings, then get some starts.
But, could be his 92 college innings dictate he do like Tommy Hunter and just pitch late relief the rest of the season – maybe even in the HIC pen eventually. We’ll see.
by shroomer on Jul 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
in a year or two we may be talking about him like we do Perez.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think most of us could handle another Perez
I mean, in a good way……
That's not hail you see in Frisco....that just Justin Smoak's Home Runs coming back into orbit....
by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may be overstating that
another monster like Perez isn’t likely.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by bioaggie on Jul 7, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
nothing I have read seem to give me that much hope. In addition, there is not a whole lot on him out there other than brief post-signing snippets and some stuff on his ST outings . He doesn’t seem to be all that projectable (he’s built a bit like padz right now) and his FB doesn’t seem to be all that special. He seems like more of a pitchability guy, and that, coupled with his age, he doesn’t sniff top 30. I think of Alvarez the same way, pitchability guy and not all that projectable but in his case due to his small stature rather than Escobar’s, let’s just call it, non-classic build.
For a top 30, they just don’t enter into the discussion IMO based on what we know right now. Might be Fall Instructs before we get a lot better scouting material on them unless Jason Cole might be able to interview the AZL ptiching coach by season’s end…
by Goyogringo on Jul 7, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martin for me.
The kid is AMAZING!
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 7, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm probably pissing into the wind here, but
between Feliz and Perez, who is more likely to be a Top-of-the Rotation Pitcher?
On average, top of the rotation pitchers in MLB feature a 92 MPH fastball that they throw ~60% of the time and one or more off-speed pitches that they use the other 40% of the time. They walk 2.6 and strike out 8 hitters per 9 innings and have a batting average against of .245.
At this point, Feliz has the fastball of an ace but it appears unlikely that he can throw his secondary pitches to major league hitters 40% of the time. Although he has shown progress recently, Feliz’ BB/9 this year (3.9) is only slightly better than his career number (4.0). Feliz has always been difficult to hit, but it is worth noting that his 2009 numbers (8.1 K/9 and .246 BAA) are a step down from his career numbers (10.5 K/9 and .211 BAA).
By most accounts, Perez is currently throwing three above average to plus pitches. His control (3.2 BB/9) and hitability (10.7 K/9 and .242 BAA) have both shown marked improvement this year (7.7 K/9 and .274 BAA in 2008).
Although I believe that Feliz is one of the top 10 pitching prospects in the game, I think that Perez at the age of 18 is farther down the path of becoming a TORP than Feliz at the age of 21. To be clear, I don’t think that Perez is currently as ready as Feliz to compete against major league hitters. Rather, I think that Perez has exceeded Feliz in acquiring the tools of a TORP (pitch mix, control, etc) and is thus a better bet than Feliz to become a legitimate #1 pitcher at the major league level.
I’m with kinslerhomer.
by spurdynasty on Jul 7, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
but they’re close enough that I lean towards the guy much closer. Anything can happen when you’re 18 and in A ball.
Which reminds me, do we really have a good scouting report from this year for Feliz? All I’ve seen are guesses since he left Frisco. Do we have a report of exactly how his secondary stuff is looking right now?
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Current Feliz scouting report
I caught Feliz throwing a bullpen session several weeks ago, but it was right after his shoulder thing and he was only throwing fastballs.
There are indications that his secondary pitchers are improving (link, link), but no one has come out and said that Feliz has a breaking ball or a change-up that are ready for major league hitters. That concerns me.
by spurdynasty on Jul 7, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
we had more to go on than that. Trip’s is nice, but from mid-April, the other one is just vague. If I was sure he’d end up in the bullpen I’d vote Perez ahead of him, but I just can’t imagine they’ll give up on having him in the rotation yet.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll catch him
next week in RR after the ASG.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 7, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
post some comments here after
we’d all appreciate some first hand reports.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll do you one better
Mrs. Jeezus just wasted my hard-earned money on bought a new camera w/HD video.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 7, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suhweeeeeeeet.
Thanks Mrs. J for us. Video of Feliz is like porn, eye candy.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if Feliz did porn
Would your head explode?
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by Gdawg on Jul 7, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wowwwwwwwwww
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO
they are so close that the “eye test” must be applied. I have Feliz over Perez right now however i will admit i have not seen Perez pitch. Saw Feliz several times last year. I was just amazed by the ease in which he did everything
While i have not seen Feliz pitch this year i do think that he is working on his secondary stuff. I think he has a better idea of how to pitch, it is just the execution that is tough because he can still just sit back and rely on his plus plus FB.
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martin
Can he sit at 92 MPH?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From BA
Perez can ramp his fastball up as high as 95-96 mph when he needs to, though he usually works in the 92-93 range.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 7, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
He is Dutch… I find that when guys are coming up through the minors, I subtract 2-3 MPH off their “velocities”
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by PM Productions on Jul 7, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland can throw 97...
most of them can throw what we here they can throw, but just not consistently.
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by blalock84 on Jul 8, 2009 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I feel.
Feliz is full of shiny prospecty good-ness, but his BB/9 and lack of off-speed control worries me.
He won’t be able to just sit on his fastball and blow ML batters away, and they’ll take the walks that are offered to them. Not to mention, I understand he is “Millwoodian” in his ability to hold runners.
Perez; however, already has command of the strike zone with three solid pitches. I think he simply needs to continue growing up and will slot right into the rotation in 2011/2012 so long as he doesn’t suffer any serious injuries.
by Trickman on Jul 7, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between throwing a 60 FB and an 80 FB is considerable...
As dominant as Feliz’ fastball is, you don’t want him throwing it only 60% of the time.
by ramjam36 on Jul 7, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, even Verlander who has likely the top fastball of all starters in the bigs throws his FB
only 67 % of the time.
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by blalock84 on Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SpursD's
post on BBTIA was very eye opening. I think any pitcher would have to throw his non-FB stuff at least 35% of the time. The only guys that can get away with less are closers which Feliz may turn into.
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you only throw
a FB, the hitters know it’s coming. Even a 100 mph FB can be hit hard if they know it’s coming.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mo Rivera disagrees.
But he’s a bit of a special case.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny that you mention him
That is the guy that Feliz has been compared to since he was like 16.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 7, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odd considering Feliz throws 8-10 mph harder than Mo.
And I don’t think he throws a cutter, but I could be wrong about that.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the comparison is based on the repertoire or velocity
Feliz FB has been described as an 80 pitch for a while now, and there just aren’t many guys with 80 pitches to compare him too.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 7, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
riveras cutter > feliz FB
see zumaya
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because they both have high velocity fastballs, it doesn't mean that they are the same
Zumaya has no control. Feliz does.
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by Gdawg on Jul 7, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and from what i know
it seems like Feliz probably has more movement
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by blalock84 on Jul 8, 2009 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew someone
would bring him up, but yeah, he’s special.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a good way to put it
and i agree, i think Perez has more ‘potential’ to be a true #1. He’s got the skills and tools to do it and his progress is amazing considering he is just 18. I voted for Feliz, but only b/c i believe how close you are to the bigs should matter considering how much can go wrong between a ball and aaa. I love Feliz, but i agree that he’s likely not gonna be a top of the rotation guy for at least the first few years of being in the bigs. However, thats not to say that he cant be, cuz if he ever figures out how to really use a quality CB and CU, watch out. I also feel like the lack of a quality breaking pitch that he can throw for strikes has alot to do with the walk ratio. It seems like Feliz gets into too many spots where people are just fouling off his FB b/c they cant catch up to it, but instead, they force an eventual walk by just waiting him out.
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by blalock84 on Jul 7, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz
because he will see time on the staff this year and could break into the rotation out of spring training next year. Proximity aces and all-stars always get the nod in my rankings.
by Goyogringo on Jul 7, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz
All I can say is “duh.”
Martin’s secondary pitches make it interesting, but I need to see it happen at a higher level.
And yes, I’m the guy who’ll rank Kiker above Ross.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be right there with you on Kiker
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jul 7, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was ready to bury Kiker a month ago
Dude has really solidified and chicken-fried his game.
And I’m even the original Ross hawker.
by shroomer on Jul 7, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My "duh" above
The discussion has really opened my eyes to Martin’s ability.
I was looking squarely at his Low-A status before, but he’s got a ton going for him.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ot: mobile commenting
This is going to make driving near me much more dangerous
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by SaltyDawg on Jul 7, 2009 11:57 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
This is like the easiest vote ever
also, I am shocked to learn that somebody has a higher Poveda Love Quotient higher than my own
by Telegraph on Jul 7, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
martin perez
How many other organizations would have him as their #3?
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by SaltyDawg on Jul 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
San Fran is the only one that comes to mind
and Perez would probably be #4 in that org.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Baltimore
even without Wieters. Tillman and Matusz would be the alternatives.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some other possibilities
Nats once they sign Strasburg. Him and Norris.
Braves until Hanson is no longer a prospect. Him and Heyward.
TB’s shortstops? Brignac and Beckham
Pirates until McCutchen is no longer a prospect (though Alvarez isn’t a real popular prospect right now)
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alvarez
He has looked awful. Gotta feel for Pirate fans and hope he turns it around. I would have perez ahead of Beckham though I may be in the minority there. Mccutchen and hanson should lose their prospect status.
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by SaltyDawg on Jul 7, 2009 12:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
At least they're looking pretty good for Sano
with the Twins and some big market teams dropping out and maybe only the O’s standing in their way.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is so much going on with sano
Questions about age/identity, bonus figures all over the place, thoughts of a surprise bidder jumping in late. And, with all that, he will probably wind up right where it was said he would a couple months ago
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by SaltyDawg on Jul 7, 2009 12:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Good perspective on J2 players here
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Brignac is considered a better prospect than Pere
Maybe Wade Davis would be higher.
Buchholz/Bowden/Anderson? Hosmer/Moosetacos? Gamel/Escobar?
by LiamP on Jul 7, 2009 12:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
x
Give me Perez as #2 in boston behind Buch, #2 in KC ahead of hosmer. Milwaukee…not sure, but I think I’d have him #2 behine alcides. Bias?? Probably, but I love me some perez
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by SaltyDawg on Jul 7, 2009 12:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Brignac definitely not. Bowden definitely not.
Anderson, even maybe. .765 OPS in AA, injuries or not.
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 7, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen how Hosmer's been doing this year?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Jul 7, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sickels today...
The perils of small sample size: as I mentioned yesterday, Eric Hosmer didn’t look very good for Burlington on Sunday, but on Monday he looked much better, pulling a Wily Peralta 92 MPH fastball for a home run to right field, and in general just showing a quicker bat. Don’t judge a player on just one game!
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/7/7/940590/small-sample-size
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by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
imho
perez > brignac
>norris
<heyward
<beckham
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only ones that are viable to me are the Nats and Braves
even the Nats would be up in the air, Id take perez over Norris i think. The Braves wont be that way for long too.
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by blalock84 on Jul 7, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Norris
Now there’s a guy who’s stock has increased this year, wow.
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by t ball on Jul 7, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, a C that rakes in the 4th round.
Nice find, there.
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 7, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By "organizations"
I assume you mean minor league groupies like us:)
As for what # a kid is, I think that is completely irrelevant and arbitrary, rather it is projected ceiling that matters as much as one can make an argument for this (arguably light years more difficult with the 16yo DSL kids). Rankings are fantasy fun but thinking of the system in terms of talent tiers is more useful IMO.
by Goyogringo on Jul 7, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im on board with that school of thought
It just is fun to look at how great perez has been and be able to say that this community feels there are two other guys ahead of him right now.
By thinking about the perez at #3 question, you also get a pretty accurate look at teams with a first tier on par with the rangers.
Smoak/feliz/perez as a first tier is only rivaled by a few teams. Seeing where perez fits in with other top systems is one way to gauge where your first tier of prospects fits.
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by SaltyDawg on Jul 7, 2009 2:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The Perryman Top 10
Z: I just ran across your Top 10 from a few weeks ago:
1. Justin Smoak
2. Neftali Feliz
3. Tanner Scheppers
4. Matthew Purke
5. Martin Perez
6. Wilmer Font (yes, tons of projection necessary right now)
7. Blake Beavan
8. Julio Borbon
9. Wilfredo Boscan
10. Engel Beltre
Based on your comments from the last two days, it sounds like your interest in Perez has increased. What got you going?
Also – Is Main still outside your Top 10? And are Beltre, Boscan, and Beavan still in?
by spurdynasty on Jul 7, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To be honest
I think that was right after the draft, and I was probably trying to bring home the point that these guys are going to be very highly ranked by BA, et al. I probably should have put Perez ahead of them, although it’s fairly close with all four of those pitchers. I think I was overcompensating some because I was so shocked to see guys like Boscan and Beavan ranked ahead of them on here.
I don’t know what to do with Main. In my gut he’s certainly one of the top ten prospects in this system, and with Beltre not hitting at all now it would be pretty easy to put Main in front of him. If you really pushed me I’d still probably take Main over Beavan, but that’s close. I think that Beavan belongs in the top ten. Mine right now might look like Smoak, Feliz, Perez, Purke, Scheppers, Font, Borbon, Ross/Beavan/Main/Boscan/Wieland.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Main – I’m the opposite – My gut sez “yechh”, but I’m trying to be rational so he stays high for now
My gut thinks Scheppers might be ridiculously good. health health health
And my gut is kinda down on Boscan – but he goes tonight – redeem thyself, Freddo!
Otherwise, I’m right wid ya.
by shroomer on Jul 7, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez over Feliz for 3 reasons
Secondary pitch(es) for Feliz are a real concern. The current move to the bullpen probably won’t help this situation. Major league hitters will at least learn to foul off his best heater.
Control. Command, for those of you who are anal. Or K/BB ratio like spurdynasty says.
History. Yes, history. You are going to have a hard time finding any pitcher in major league history who had an excellent won/loss percentage as a top of the rotation starter, if their fastball was 100+. Don’t say Nolan please, his won-loss percentage is just over 50%. Walter Johnson is the only one who comes to my mind.
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by rodcarew on Jul 7, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
W/L percentage?
Are you shitting me? We’re using that as a viable stat now?
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by Conjunction on Jul 7, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two issues
Control and command are entirely different. For example, Holland had excellent control vs. the Padres but terrible command.
Nolan Ryan’s %W/L was more a product of the teams he played for than his peformance. Also, Bartolo Colon, Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, JR Richard (cant control his injury), Bob Gibson. Also throwing 100+ as a start is a rare occurrence so of course that is going to decrease the population IMMENSELY. Lastly, with all the information available in terms of stats you choose W/L percentage? Okay…
While you choosing Perez over Feliz is understandable one of your reasons you dont even understand yourself and the other is just wrong. I do agree on your first about the secondary pitches. Perez does seem very polished for his age.
by Michael Cave on Jul 7, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted Marteen as number one, so I gotta stay consistent and vote him here. This Happy-bullpen noise scares me just enough to give Perez the nod, even though I’m in the ‘Feliz will start’ camp.
So if you want to say i’m only putting Perez above Feliz because wev’ve seen Neftali isn’t perfect, but haven’t ran into that with Perez yet, I wouldn’t argue.
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by Keynes on Jul 7, 2009 1:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
#3 is where it gets interesting to me.
1. Smoak
2. Feliz
I’m going back and forth between Perez and Scheppers for #3.
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by rooster on Jul 7, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't believe
It’s this time of year already.
Feliz
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Jul 7, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT.
More July 2 bonus info: Venezuelan SS Luis Sardinas to TEX for $1.2M
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 7, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 7, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like kiley mcdaniel's twitter
the former SABRscouting, current BP writer
http://twitter.com/kileymcd/status/2520260979
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
link fail
its in “SS Luis Sardinas”
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 7, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
$1.2M
Wow.
I guess they had it budgeted…
But wow. I’m so much more on board with the smaller-bonuses-more-prospects philosophy.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with 1.2 for Sardinas and .85 for Profar
My guess is that Perdomo is not likely to be a Ranger. Unless the reports of a 2.5M budget for LA signings was incorrect.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 7, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their budget was 2.5?
All I heard connected with that number is that it was what was committed on signing day. I didn’t take that to mean that it’s all they would spend.
Frankly I wonder if they shouldn’t jump back in on Sano if the price really has cratered.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I'm remembering wrong, or read it wrong
you’d know better than I would.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 7, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's where this financial situation hurts
Sano: price could be falling, 2 small market teams in on him (Twins, Pirates) and the third team viewing him as a late 1st round talent (O’s)…that’s the kind of guy you could snag at a bargain (relatively).
But, you have to think the LA signings were budgeted out pretty specifically along with the two high profile (high demand) draft picks. That can’t leave much money to throw at a guy when he wasn’t in your original plans.
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by SaltyDawg on Jul 7, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only thing
They’ve been on the fringes with him for quite a while.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
regarding sano
read a couple of places theres no way that the O’s give him more than mautz/hobogod (yea, i know i know)
the pirates have been in on him from day 1 though…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
seems like the bone marrow thing his agent did or whatever that was should pacify concerns some. Unless that’s a fake, he’s no more than 17.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you sign him if he was 18?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pay him roughly the same amount if he's 17
Again, unless that test was bunk, he’s not 18. I’d sign him if he’s 18, no doubt about it, but no I wouldn’t give him as much money.
by Brett Perryman on Jul 7, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats my viewpoint as well
i mean, if he has the talent, and is guaranteed to be like 18 or 19 — hes a guy that would (probably) go in the first round you have to think
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Went Feliz
Even though it was tough not to go with Perez. Just love the potential that Perez has. But I went with the guy that I have seen pitch in person (Feliz) than the one I haven’t (yet I’m hoping that Perez next year is starting out in Frisco).
One concern I have though is the jump from A to AA for Perez. For many that jump is possibly the toughest any minor leaguer (especially a pitcher) can go through. I do have high hopes for him though
That's not hail you see in Frisco....that just Justin Smoak's Home Runs coming back into orbit....
by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Adding on though....
If one of them two (Feliz or Perez) had to be traded, I think I would rather part with Feliz than Perez
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighbor naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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