Tuesday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jul 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT
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PrintSo, yeah, this road trip could have started better. And yesterday's game highlights the vagaries of all star selections, since if the picks were made today, leaving Kevin Millwood (who is 10th in the A.L. in ERA now) off the team suddenly looks more reasonable.
Jeff Wilson says Millwood had trouble with his location last night, which led to his worst start of the season.
Dustin Nippert starts tonight, and Evan Grant thinks that Julio Borbon may be headed to AAA to make room for Nippert on the 25 man roster, with Brandon McCarthy moving to the 60 day d.l. to make room on the 40 man for Nippert.
Nippert thought he was going to only be out a couple of days when he strained a back muscle during spring training. That strain ended up costing him a spot on the Opening Day rotation and keeping him out for several months.
Josh Hamilton had a couple of hits in his return to the lineup. A healthy and productive Hamilton would go a long way towards getting this offense back on track.
The Rangers want to look at David Murphy at first base, with Chris Davis down in AAA. Murphy played first base in high school.
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Why oh Why
Do I have to be updated as to Vladimir Guerrero’s batting average vs. the Rangers every single hit he gets?
He's making history
yuck
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Man, we really gotta get ourseleves a backup 1B
I don’t even wanna think about the Three Stooges imitations that are going to ensue if we really throw Jones and Murphy out there.
I can’t believe they’re really considering that.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
Murphy to 1B
The article said that the Rangers, “will see if he can play there” (emphasis mine). However, the author notes that Murphy has yet to take any grounders at 1B. Hopefully, Murphy will show himself to be less than adequate with the glove, but then again could he really be any worse than Blalock/Jones?
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Since Murphy has at least played the position in high school, I'd have a little more faith in him re-learning it than Jones learning it
But Blalock should be passable enough there, far more passable than two OF’s would be.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
I'm not sure if it's that Blalock looks so bad to me or that Davis spoiled me.
Either way, I am not positive about the future of 1B defense.
Davis UZR/150
Was actually down to -1.1 when he was sent down. He his defensive #‘s had been sliding for quite sometime, actually. The eyetest still indicates he was much better at picking/catching wild throws than anyone else since Teixeira, but as far as everything else goes he hadn’t been all that special for awhile.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
Eyetest
It’s also tough when Young sails a throw last night that was over Blalock’s head. Could Davis have gotten that one? Maybe not, but it’s still frustrating that it got by Blalock.
Get your high school mitt out, David
I think he’d be fine at 1B for a while. Don’t know his range on sharp grounders or protecting the line, but all his other skills would seem to translate OK. He’s also tall enough, with a little vertical, to surround high or wide throws.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 7, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
The "real fix"
to 1B defense is to get Young and Andrus to suck a little less with their throws. Neither have particularly accurate arms it seems.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Can't really give MY too much fault...
for that throw last night. He was moving away from 1B, throwing across his body. It was a throw that was all arm, since he didn’t have time to get his whole body into the throw.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
That's still his fault
You have to know when you can make the throw and when you should hold on to the ball for the extra second so you don’t throw it away.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
This
Usually, he would just pocket that ball and not throw at all. The outcome was the same either way, but it could have been worse.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
"When it comes to Jeff Mathis, the story ends with us putting one in his earhole." - AJM, 7.7.08
Disagree...
The throw beat the runner to the bag, if the throw is on target, the runner is out. That’s a very tough play, but one that can be made. The more MY plays 3B, the better he will become at making throws like that, there’s no reason to put that ball in your pocket in that situation.
what he should have done is try to long hop it to first
that lob throw gets there slower and its much more likely to sail, a skipped throw at least gives blalock a good shot at blocking it if offline and if its long hopped it should be easily scooped
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Murphy to 1B
Well, that sets up nicely.
You can move Josh to LF, play Borbon full time in CF, Cruz in RF. Keep Marlon as the 4th OF’er until you can trade him. If Davis comes back, send Borbon down. Move Marlon back to CF if you haven’t traded him. If you have traded him, keep Murphy as the 4th OF’er and start Borbon in CF.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 7, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
Borbon is going down today
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I sure hope so.
His being used to warm the bench in the majors really jacks me. Total waste of a callup.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
yeah
getting your first RBI single in the majors against a division rival for a go-ahead run really sucks
If Murphy is moved to 1B, I don't see why.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Need a roster spot for Nippert
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Send Mathis down.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course, if they can't find regular playing time for Borbon
there’s no need to shoehorn him into the lineup.
But I’m leery of making Borbon the full-time CF in ’10 and expecting him to be championship caliber at that point.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 7, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
When does Borbon have to stay on the roster for good?
I know that since he signed a major league contract right away, options started counting from year one. At what year does he have to be on teh 25 without being sent down to the minors or risk losing him to waivers?
by Mark from OC on Jul 7, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Hes got two more years of options left
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I agree I think thats what should happen
But with Padilla not being injured enough for the DL but needing to be pushed back I think the Rangers want to be covered pitching wise this last week before the ASB.
Depending on what they do with Nippert (starter or reliever) I think either Hunter or Mathis get sent down either later this week or during the ASB
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I would hate for the Rangers to keep
Nippert over Mathis or Hunter. The likely scenario after the break is that Mathis gets sent down, Golson gets called up to sit on the end of the bench and Nippert becomes the longman. After a few appearances they will dump Nippert and bring back Mathis.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
are you aware of what Mathis has been...
……. to this bullpen, he’s been like J.Wright last year but good
by blueballlefty on Jul 7, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Never gonna happen
Ron has to get his toy Andruw as many AB’s as possible now that Blalock has vacated the DH spot, and he’ll never bench his gritty Byrdman, ever. You wait see. Between Jones and Byrd, I get the feeling that Murphy is gonna be shit outta luck when it comes to playing time for awhile.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
Yeah, you're right.
That’s exactly why they’re looking at Murph to 1B.
God dammit. This again? I wish we could just move Byrd and be done with it. Jones is perfectly fine as the spare vet / 25th man / etc. etc.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 7, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I dearly wish they'd move Byrd
Maybe that Hamilton is back and they’re playing him in CF they will, but my guess is there’s no way they’ll trade him while they’re on a playoff run. This team and it’s manager both grossly overrate Marlon Byrd, and I’m not sure why.
As for Andruw, he needs to be canned just so Wash won’t be able to bat his sorry ass cleanup. He’s gotten just as bad, if not worse than Hank and Kinsler when it comes to taking HR swings at every pitch lately.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
chicken and egg
Keeping Byrd helps them this year but playing Borbon helps them in the future.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland - 2009 Rangers Minor League POY
Yea But...
Jones is perfectly fine as the spare vet / 25th man / etc. etc.
He would be fine if Wash would only play him like the 25th man but he plays him like the 9th or 10th guy…
I can not believe they extended Wash, just crazy.
Yeah, I don't have a problem
with Jones, but I have no idea why you sit a hot Murphy against a righty like last night. When you have someone who is obviously locked in, like Murphy has been, sit someone else, like Jones, or Cruz.
I also have no idea why when someone is lost, like Kinsler currently is, you don’t take them out for a game to give them a rest. I’d have Vizquel spot Kinsler for a game or 2 a week until Kinsler heats back up.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
You could always sit
Cruz. He hasn’t exactly been on fire, I don’t see any problem giving him a night off.
Considering with the Rangers being a see the ball, hit the ball team, there isn’t much point in playing someone every night when they aren’t seeing the ball, and there is all the reason in the world to keep playing them when they are locked in, and Murphy is probably the hottest Ranger going.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Maybe Wash is playing Jones because Daniels wants to pad his stats for the trade deadline?
by oc on Jul 7, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a dumb reason to play Jones more
Jones isn’t going to be bringing anything of significance back in the deadline unless he plays every game and is able to hit better than he has as well as play solid defense. You play Jones because you think he can contribute to this team in a division race, not because you want to see what he can get at the deadline.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
We signed Jones to help lead us to a division title?
by oc on Jul 7, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
What does that have to do with anything?
He was brought in to contribute to the team. Now, that contribution is expected to help the team win the AL West.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
umm, no
Wash may like Byrd and Jones more than others, but you are overstating the hell out of what he’ll do with the lineup. Now that Hamilton is back, Byrd will go back to being more of a 4th OF than a full time starter like Wash has used him over the past 2 years. And Wash isn’t going to be benching Murphy anytime soon. In fact, all the bitching about Murphy’s playing time around here comes from Wash playing Murphy too much (specifically against lefties).
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
You must be assuming that they'll be using Josh in CF, then.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 7, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they'll be playing Josh at DH everyday, so yes
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
you do realize
they started byrd against a righty that is REALLY tough against righties last night, don’t you know that
by blueballlefty on Jul 7, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
1 night means little if anything. I would have started Murphy yesterday but it wouldn't have saved the game for us
Now if Wash is benching Murphy constantly now that Hamilton is back, then there is something to complain about.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
weird.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
thats why i love baseball
if this was football, i wouldnt be able to watch sports for a week, like i couldnt even turn espn on… Baseball, I can go back to it tonight
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
as much as it sucked
it was reallllllly nice seeing Hamilton back
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Nippert pitches a gem. Calling it now.
by TooLegitToQuit on Jul 7, 2009 12:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
How does Nippert do tonight?
I hope he last at least six innings.
Texas Rangers, sometimes they are the windshield, sometimes they are the bug — Evan Grant
Last season...
Nippert pitched 5.1 innings, gave up three runs, 5 hits, 2 walks, and had 7 strike-outs against the Angels. (Aug 29)
And pitched 7 sparkling innings of relief against them earlier in the season.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
I'd rather go by his late stats than his earlier ones.
More meaningful. He was also starting that game.
I doubt he goes more than 5
Hopefully, the Rangers don’t use 4 pitchers for 1 inning each after he departs.
by Mark from OC on Jul 7, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
that's unpossible
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
dont need much range, dont need an arm
3 requirements, tall, lefty, and decent glove. and out of the 3 things that make a great fielder: great range,great arm and great glove only 1 is even close to being required to play the position.
hence, you get this: kinda stuff
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
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Exactly. And…
If Murphy has some experience there, that’s not a bad idea – after all, replacing CD’s production won’t take much. This also allows Smoak some time to develop.
1B at AAA
So, how do you divvy up the time at 1B in AAA between Davis and Smoak? Or does is not really matter where Davis plays in the field because he needs to work on swinging the bat?
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 7, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
1B at AAA
That is a difficult problem to solve. I think you might need to see the (private) organizational plan for Davis. He’s so good on defense that DH seems like a bad decision. Smoak should play in the minors until Sept, my opinion.
Davis at AA might be a better solution. Even though a lot of people may bitch about it. Using the Roy Halladay approach for a hitter?
I'm kind of surprised
they didn’t put him at AA if for no other reason than it would be close to home for him.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
I wouldn't have minded seeing that
But they want Davis to get work against better pitchers. Like last night, he faced Sidney Ponson. Far from a super stud or anything, but he can do something and allows Davis to get his head together against AAAA/borderline ML pitchers.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
how'd he do?
Walter = lazy today. Too much work.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
me 2, cahill
i was pretty surprised he was sent to OKC but maybe they felt putting him on the club with smoak maybe would put that extra bit of pressure to get his shit together
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Confused . . .
I thought that the call-up of Borbon signaled the end of Hamilton playing CF. Now that Josh is back in CF (which I just don’t get), bringing up Borbon seemed silly.
"A good start would be not giving up 900 runs again." -Jon Daniels
by Randy Richardson on Jul 7, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
I found myself cheering when the ball didn't make it to the wall
last night while he was in CF
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
oh my gosh
this sucks!
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
who is MJ?
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
Your gonna have to 86 that signature there BROSEPH.
It is longer than my masters thesis.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jul 7, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Michael Jordan
I think he’s still alive though…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Man, I'm sick of him dominating the news
Meh.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
he's the most famous person in the world
it’s expected. it will be over in a day or so for the most part
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
Really?
If Michael Jackson is actually the most famous person in the world, this planet is absolutely doomed and has been for as long as that’s been true. Of course, I bitch every time I check a news portal and entertainment stuff is the headline material. The “capture the imagination” press will kill us all. Even on my lawn.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 7, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
who is more famous?
princess diana rivaled him maybe, but jackson had her beat. he did all sorts of great humanitarian things and was loved in europe africa asia…
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
Elvis
and he’s not dead
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
remind me what michael jackson has done in the last 10 years
to warrant my attention
other than be in trouble/jail/lawsuits?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
who is more famous?
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
not gonna be a soccer player
and Jesus doesn’t count
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
I thikn to many people on here forget that
even though MJ was a recluse here in America for the last 15 years, he was still considered an icon throughout the rest of the world. He ma have slipped out the the limelight in the US, but on the international level he was easily one of the top 5 most recognizable figures in the world’s public eye.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Well...
He hasn’t really been relevent in about 15 years. And if by famous you mean everyone knows who he is (ie notorious), off the top of my head I would say the Pope and The President of the United Statesare more famous. Hell, David Beckham is probably more famous.
Go to every corner of the world,
and show people a picture of the Pope, Beckham, and MJ. Who do you think gets recognized the most?
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
One thing
Which picture of MJ would you use? He has gone through quite a number of transformations.
Actually the question is remotely silly. Wen Jiabao could trump them all simply because as premier of China, his country’s population alone would outnumber most other people. I’d think popularity (recognition or fandom) is hardly important at all when compared to significance.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 7, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
ah hah
now jackson is being compared to world leaders.
Wen Jiabao’s “fame” or whatever has borders though.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
doesnt matter
look how many people know who he is there
china, FTW!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
Pope
every1 knows the pope even if its just the hat, 90% of China coulda tell ya the pope was the pope and they arent christian. then you have prob the same % in india and then the christian world.
pope. no doubt.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
the pope
might was well be mickey mouse. it’s an institution. John Paul II was famous. current pope? most people don’t know his name.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
Pope...
There are over a billion Catholics in the world, and over 2 billion Christians. You don’t think Pope Benedict is famous?
John Paul II
i would give you as a viable “opponent” to jackson, not Benedict though.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
I think that would have to be at least part of it
I think if you were shown a couple of old men who weren’t in vestments, most people would be hard pressed to identify which one was the current Pope.
R
Well
Even if he hadn’t, I’m sure people would have been able to identify it since he would have still sang with whatever face he had.
That’s the point.
I’m wondering if part of the issue is that you might have a bias AGAINST Michael Jackson.
Sure, a lot of what he’s done recently has been questionable at best and criminal at worst, but that still shouldn’t sway opinion about whether he’s famous or not.
R
Acknowledging personal distaste for him
That goes back long before the pedophile intimations . yeah, notoriety IS a form of fame.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 7, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
you could look at it this way.
He became famous for his performance and entertainment and philanthropy.
Then, he became even more famous for becoming black or white, having numerous nose jobs and potential pedophile intimations.
Whether it’s good famous or bad famous depends upon what you want to pick and choose :)
R
I think Mickey Mouse is as good an answer to global icon as Jackson
both are just marketed products at this point. icon is a key word, b/c it doesnt even have to be an individual. coca cola symbol was determined to be the most recognized icon on earth. MJ like coca cola was just a sellable product at this point and an imitation of the original.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
nah
there are probably equally or more famous players than beckham. ronaldo, zindane.
the pope? maybe john paul the 2nd, but not the current one.
obama is probably close.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
You Guys do realize....
That Jackson has been completely irrelevent for the last 15 years, right?
If it wasn’t for the child molestation charges, he would have been completely out of the public eye.
irrelevent?
if he was completely irrelevant then is comeback concerts would have not made the news, but it was pretty damn big.
he may have not been HUGE in the US anymore (though still popular) but he was still huge in europe.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
and other places
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
by what scale?
i mean The Specials are HUGE in Europe, that doesnt mean a 5 year old in the foothills of Tibet has any clue who MJ is, nevermind the specials…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
The guy I buy my beer from is from Tibet,
and we were talking about MJ. I asked him that question, if he was popular in Tibet. He said ‘very’.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
being VERY regional there
who is the average 5 year old in the foothills of Tibet gonna know? dahli llama?
now if you take that average 5 year old in the foothills of Tibet and an average 28 year old on the streets of Calcutta and an average15 year old in boarding school in London, who are 4 or 5 people that they are most likely gonna ALL know.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
Jackson...
Wouldn’t he have to be less recognizable by people all over the world under the age of say 20ish? He hasn’t really been on the scene for a while.
and arent there more people under the age of 20 gloabally then over?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
the age
was just thrown out there. the point is jackson was known by people all over the globe in varying socioeconomic status.
sure, he’s not as known by people probably say 13 and under but i’d say teenagers all the way up to people in their 60’s across the world understand and know who he is.
it’s debatable that he is the most famous person in the world. probably half would say he is, and half would disagree on who the other most famous person is. what does that tell you though. what is not debatable is that he was top 5 for sure.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
he's famous globally the most since '91 for being more gary glitter than Michael Jackson
i mean, hitler is famous too, that doesnt mean its good
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
you know who else wore flair?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
waiters
at shenanigans?
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
2 women
at the same time?
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
if he was so relevant
why were his 50 concerts in the UK instead of worldwide?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
He was 50, frail, and ultimately
on death’s door. Couldn’t take the travel, I guarantee he woulda sold out anywhere. He’s a flippin’ icon.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
couldnt move his drugs from nation to nation as easy
keep’m all in one spot and that way your low risk its similar to the grateful dead theory
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jul 7, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
winner
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
No, MJ was irrelevant in the US for the last 15 years
not on the international scene. He is still considered an icon throughout Europe, Asia ans Africa.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Jackson...
I’m not doubting his popularity in his day, but a lot of that has waned over the last decade or so, here and abroad. Yes, he is still famous, but the most famous person in the world? Hardly.
And I read somewhere that last week from Thurs(the day he died) through Sunday, 65% of news stories in the U.S. were about Michael Jackson. Not that N. Korea may be preparing an offensive, or the ongoing situtions in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan.
It’s really quite absurd.
Again,
who is more famous than Jackson?
I didn’t even know Wen Jiabao is the current premier of China until I someone brough him up.
I don’t even recall who the current Pope is, and they’re both essentially POSITIONS.
Which PERSON was more famous than Michael Jackson when he died throughout the world?
Heck, even though he’s waned in popularity in the US, he’s still KNOWN throughout the US.
And like others have said, he was still held in awe and idolized throughout the world.
R
Aren't you using yours?
I’ve asked for YOUR knowledge, just to try to see some counter-examples, but the ones that have come out are world leaders and positions.
Tiger Woods was an interesting possibility, but frankly, golf isn’t THAT popular. Or maybe it is, and I just don’t know why.
The point is that when asked for a counter-example, there haven’t been many viable alternatives suggested.
Which suggests in itself that he just might be the most famous person.
R
exactly
i pointed out above that probably half would say jackson is the most famous person in the world (as of a few weeks ago of course) and the rest would argue on who it is.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
What I never got
was the whole Princess Di thing.
Granted, she was slightly before my time, and she was a great altruist and stuff, but the whole pageantry around her death I felt was a little overblown.
But even there, I felt it was reasonable, since she seemed famous, and according to some friends, all girls knew her when she got married….
R
I have a vary hard time of finding an example
that will be relevant on all continents that is not an elected or appointed official.
Maybe the Queen on England. Maybe Micheal Jordan, maybe Ronaldo, maybe Obama…
The list is extremely short. Micheal Jackson is easily in the top 10 if not the top 5.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
right
i believe jackson is most famous. i don’t think i can be swayed. i do think it can be argued (it’s not a fact). i also think it’s stupid thing to argue about anway and i don’t wanna do it anymore.
when it’s all said and done, josh hamilton will be the most famous person ever.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
I thnk a lot of this is going to be
more of a disagreement of those with an American centric viewpoint of the world vs. those with an international flavor instead.
Right, wrong or indifferent, the facts state that in the last 15 years his popularity had slipped in the US did not exclude him from the international eye. He may have been more popular in the last 5 years internationally than 15 years ago.
American’s sometime dismiss the fact that other cultures do not recycle their cult icons as quickly as the US.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
re: possibly more famous
Which PERSON was more famous than Michael Jackson when he died throughout the world?
Off the top of my head:
Muhammad Ali (when he dies)
MLK.
Kennedy.
John Wayne.
Elvis.
Sinatra.
Marilyn Monroe.
John Lennon?
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
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by Brian Thomas on Jul 8, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Elvis hasn't been relevant for 40 years,
but everyone knows who he is. Icons celebrity lasts a while. (Presley that is, not Andrus- he’ll be more famous than them all).
As an aside, Bin Laden might be the most well known.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
VALDERAMA!!!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
No one, other than MAYBE a US president.
Most of the world has probably heard of Bush and Obama. I still think it’s MJ. Madonna’s probably close, music really reaches every corner.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
It has really been
quite ridiculous, but that’s what our tv media does, gorge themselves on every big story until we just puke it out of every orifice.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
this is understandable
but crap like natalie holloway and jon benet ramsey is ridiculous. those 2 were famous BECAUSE they died.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
Two more who were famous only after they died
Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
I think my complaint is legit
To clarify, I understand completely when he is the lead story on the Today show, TMZ, People magazine, 10 oclock news, etc.
I’m just tired of it hijacking hard news. I watch the news to understand serious events, not hear showbiz testimonial anecdotes.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 8, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree the 24/7 media, Internet, et al. is a beating,
but I doubt there’s a more well known person on the planet. For that reason the coverage is understandable to me. But I’m a fan, so there’s a bias.
"I saw your act, just didn't make it for me. Just a lot of fluff."
Its taking away
from the important coverage of Steve McNair getting offed by his strange.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
Heh
I knew there was more important stuff afoot!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jul 7, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
More important Celebrity News
because I know you like it. Joyce Dewitt of threes company arrested for DWI.
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She frightens me.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
lol
That’s not that bad of a picture of her compared to how she looked in recent years
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Oh, good lord.
She must have been really frightening. I may have to look for worse pics.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
IIRC, she was pretty heavy throughout the 90s
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
She has Mr. Furley face in that picture.
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by txranger7 on Jul 7, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
who hasn't been arrested for DWI
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
x
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Would ya?
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 7, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
final blow in the "will Cahill goto hell or heaven debate"
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Don't you need people
on both sides to have a debate?
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 7, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Heh
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 7, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm more worried
that you think that’s actually a relevant question with someone her age.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
McNair
That’s gotta be among the all-time worst ways to die.
What’s worse- getting killed by your mistress, or pulling a David Carradine?
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
getting caught in a fire
either breathing in the smoke or burning to death would be a bitch because it’s prolonged pain. granted it’s not as embarrassing as carradine, but probably worse.
Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was on the same pitching staff with Danny Darwin during the 1986 through 1988 seasons. Both were described by Milo Hamilton as "tall, tough Texans." It was a source of debate amongst Astros players and fans over who would win in a fight, Ryan or Darwin. Though Astros pitcher Bob Knepper attempted to set up a fight between the two during spring training in 1988, manager Hal Lanier stopped it before it could commence. Many experts, including Astros shortstop Rafael Ramirez, felt that Darwin would win because he "looked like someone no man would want to mess with."
I gotta believe
you’d never want to go like Carradine.
The only problem with McNair being offed by a mistress, is that she just wasn’t hot enough. Same problem with Dirks mistress.
If McNair’s wench looked like Megan Fox or something, it would have been a perfectly acceptable celebrity death.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 7, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It wasn't Dirks mistress
it was his fiance a little different, and he hired somebody to investigate her
by blueballlefty on Jul 7, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
you're just here to set everyone straight huh?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
LSB's resident fact-checker
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Jul 8, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Smacks another one out of the park.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by inactive lsb user on Jul 7, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
that has to be a
shitty feeling when you realize this isn’t going to look good now is it
by blueballlefty on Jul 7, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
he's even plastered all over FOX News.
with Al Sharpton screaming out in that annoying voice
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
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