What's your best offer for Roy Halladay?
by Agreen07 on Jul 7, 2009 3:12 PM CDT
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I know this was posted as a fanshot early this morning but it isn't getting much attention hidden down there and I'm pretty sure this could turn into an interesting debate/discussion....
Per Buster Olney
Toronto Blue Jays General Manager J.P. Ricciardi has spoken with Roy Halladay and prepared him for the possibility that he will bring trade possibilities to the pitcher in the weeks or months ahead.
Halladay, 32, has a no-trade clause that will allow him to dictate whether he will be dealt before he becomes eligible for free agency next fall.
"He's open to at least listening," said Ricciardi. "He's not going to be a guy who will let you do all the work [preparing for a possible trade], and then he's not willing to listen. If it makes sense, he will listen."
Alright, what package of young players/prospects are you willing to give up for Halladay? I assume if we pulled off a trade for him, we would try to extend him immediately. The Twins asked for Phil Hughes when they were dangling Johan Santana. The equivalent of that would be Holland or Feliz. Are you willing to part with one of those guys in a package for Halladay?
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Because it doesn’t matter. The team can’t add salary, so why bother?
by pblack on Jul 7, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the blue jays arent gonna take him
they wont want much if any salary back..
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jul 7, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
The Rangers are in no position to bring in that type of salary and the extend him. I would love to have him but it won’t happen. But if I had to guess Feliz, Kiker and Boscan for Doc.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on Jul 7, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
if you put hank on waivers would anybody even claim him?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 7, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
hank isnt great, but hes hot horrid out there either
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then they should try it.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Jul 7, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not without a replacement
He’s not that good, but we certainly can’t replace a .900 OPS vs. RHP internally.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 7, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock
I think he would get claimed on waivers, since he’s now down to costing about $3 million for the rest of the season.
I think the Giants would claim him, and the Red Sox might depending on their infield injury situation.
That said, if you have to give Blalock away, and possible deal another position player to get Halladay, this offense will be even worse than it is now.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 7, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants
I was just about to post something about the Giants showing some interest in Blalock. They need to upgrade their offense, and Blalock would be an improvement at 1B:
Blalock vs RHP – .256/.309/.568
Ishikawa vs RHP – .258/.326/.426
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 7, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz/Poveda/Max/Beltre.
Trade for Ian Snell.
by sprite on Jul 7, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Almost the same as trading Teixeira, Lofton, and Gagne.
Almost.
Just interesting that three of those four arrived via veteran trades.
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by hightowersmith on Jul 7, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not quite the same at all actually
by blueballlefty on Jul 7, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, dude.
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by hightowersmith on Jul 8, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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- Davis
- Kiker
- Vallejo
- Main
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FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by Butters on Jul 8, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd also throw in
Hunter or Harrison if they wanted.
FIRE DAVE ANDERSON!
by Butters on Jul 8, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We cant do it b/c of salary and i doubt the blue jays would take any salary back
but here is my proposed deal:
Borbon
Feliz
Teagarden
N.Ram
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by blalock84 on Jul 7, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is probably what it would have to follow
feliz/smoak (i think hollands value has gone down some)
borbon/beltre
teagarden/salty
neil ramirez/weiland
maybe a bullpen guy (beau jones?) or MI guy (lemon? vallejo?)
+ melo-type throw in
so would you do feliz, borbon, teagarden/salty, neil ramirez, beau jones, vallejo/lemon, melo?
i dont think they trade him at all.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and fwiw
i wouldnt trade that much
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's your reasoning believing that Holland's value has gone down?
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighbor naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
compared to where it was this offseason
yes, it has
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause of a few bad starts in the majors?
I’m sure any team in baseball would be willing to take him
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by Smoak Some on Jul 8, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
but to say his value is higher now than it is the offseason
is not going to be correct
i didnt say it cratered, just that it was lower
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think that is true at all
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 8, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually say it's higher.
The way we called him up so fast coupled with the flashes of the talent everyone was so in love with last year in the minors.
He’s struggled, but there are lots of positives when it comes to Der-Hol.
Remember that over the Winter you could easily say that he could be a one year wonder and that you’d need to see him do it again before you really believed. Well, he hasn’t come right up to the bigs and dominated, but hardly any young pitcher does that. The bottom line is he’s impressed the Texas brass enough to earn a quick callup and has shown everyone that his stuff will play at the big league level.
Anyone who looks at his initial struggles upon hitting the bigs and downgrades him is just jerking their knee.
The kid’ll be fine and I’m guessing most people around baseball realize exactly this point.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Sure Holland has struggled, but he has been impressive overall.
Holland had a grand total of 30 IP above A ball before his promotion. Nonetheless, he has posted almost 7 K/9 and a 2.59 K/BB ratio. His FIP is 4.98 and his xFIP is 4.28. His tRA is 5.35 and his *tRA is 4.87. Overall, he has been erratic and allowed too many home runs, but he has also been pretty unlucky.
His stuff has looked tremendous, his velocity is still the same as it was last season, and he is doing reasonably well in the majors at age 22 with a limited minor league track record.
I think his value is just as high, if not higher than it has ever been. With all that said, I have no interest in trading Holland to get Halladay. You can’t find a much better pitcher than Halladay, but I think the next 5 years of Holland will ultimately be worth more than 1.5 years of Halladay. I would consider dealing Feliz+ for Halladay, though.
by Stephen Rushin on Jul 8, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So assuming we can take payroll... and assuming Id do this, which I wouldnt...
by PM Productions on Jul 7, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think thats way too much
Those are three guys that have a realistic chance at being in there rotation next year and two this year, THREE guys
by blueballlefty on Jul 7, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They want a lot
this would be a lot… consider it the high end of the spectrum, which doesnt make it out of the ?
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by PM Productions on Jul 7, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt do it
Couldnt get a box o crayons for CD right now
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by PM Productions on Jul 7, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true but his defense is top notch
and still got outstanding potential.
i’d add in a mike bianucci to settle their concerns (ala beau jones did for us back in ’07)
by Aneel on Jul 7, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Davis defensively
According to the current numbers, Chris Davis’s defense has NOT been best in the league or close to top notch.
Earlier in the season with a smaller sample, it WAS, but there’s was always the issue of sample size.
We STILL have the issue of sample size, but over 1000 Major league innings his UZR has been 0.1.
That’s a far cry from top notch or best in the league. And given his pretty bad UZR at 3B, I’m inclined to believe that he’s more a defensively league average 1B vs. a defensively top notch 1B.
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by Requiem on Jul 8, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not the biggest CD fan
but I do think that his glove does get slighted a little by most stats. I don’t think most stats have an adjustment for dealing with bad throws. I think we are going to see quite a few errors by MY, Elvis, and Ian in the next month or so that would have been caught by Chris.
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by DJCahill on Jul 8, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
OTOH, Do you think those make up enough where he’s top notch defensively?
I’d be hesitant to assume that. I’m guessing part of the +/- difference vs. UZR might be significantly a part of that for 1B.
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by Requiem on Jul 9, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough
Tea is a back up, CD is a K machine, Main sick who knows. Kiker is the only one going good in that bunch.
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by boomer1 on Jul 7, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think teams base trades
soley on a few months play..
by Aneel on Jul 7, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Do you think TT is a starter? Either way it isn’t enough. Did you see what Tex brought back? Doc is a true #1 he will comand a lot of the upper prospects.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on Jul 7, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think
Teagarden is # 1. Just because he’s isn’t now doesn’t mean he can’t be ever. The only reason Salty is starting right now is because Wash believes in paying dues (which btw, Salty has done by backing up Laird).
Who’s to say Main can’t be an upper level prospect? Going into the season everyone had him as the next top prospect.
Kiker is doing his part and more in AA as like the second or third youngest player.
And Davis is just 23; there is no doubt in my mind he’ll figure it out.
by Aneel on Jul 7, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the deal
I don’t think TT will ever be anything but a back up. IMO The rest is a good package but they will want more than that.
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by boomer1 on Jul 7, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest
If that package could get it done I would do it. Main is the tough one in that package for me.
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by boomer1 on Jul 7, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a pretty big statement, Boomer
i think people around here have are not that good at judging young catchers as they hit the big show though. People have been merciless on Salty and if you look as bad as every1 thinks he is, he isnt that bad. he’s young as hell and he needs to work on his plate discipline but people almost hate him to an extent. I think the same can be said for TT. People here arent patient, which leads to blanket statements like, TT wont ever be a starter, you cant get a box of crayons for CD, Hollands value is down. All of which are silly and rash statements just not based on reality.
kids take time to develop and when you rush them you gotta be patient, something i havent seen much of here. To say, “I don’t think TT will ever be anything but a back up” is way premature for a guy who has played 37 games in the big show, none of which with any consistency
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
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by Jayslick on Jul 8, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's my opinion
He is older than Salty and has a rep at not being very good with the bat but good with the glove. He hasn’t been that good with the glove this year. Maybe because of PT I don’t know. It has nothing to do with him being a Longhorn either so don’t even go there. I’m sure yo have players you think won’t be anything but a back up also.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on Jul 8, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It’s a little premature to write off Teagarden solely as a backup.
I just wish we had traded Teagarden+stuff for Buchholz (if that was ever on the table) this offseason. I felt like we would have been trading high on Teagarden and buying low on Buchholz.
I’ve thought that while he had potential to be a solid starter, people were getting a little too hot and heavy over a flukish 52 PA appearance last year. If we could have capitalized on the hype, it would have been nice.
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by Requiem on Jul 8, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was never, ever on the table.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 9, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think people are judging him
on his reputation before coming here, which was that he had a bat capable of playing at 1B. That obviously hasn’t been close to true. I think Salty may be an average catcher, but I’m not sure he is gonna be a lot more.
Right now I’d just as soon see TT paired with the young pitchers, though.
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by DJCahill on Jul 8, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See Mark Texeira/ATL
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by lost in space on Jul 7, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis, Teagarden, Kiker, Main.
this may have been something you could have gotten considered in the offseason
davis value was VERY high
teagardens value will never be any higher than it was last offsseason
kiker is meh
mains value was very high – and i think if they know whats wrong with him, his value goes up again
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think he still holds Beasticon
trade value, but I think there are plenty of teams that still big time value CD
by blueballlefty on Jul 7, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
the idea that he is completely an afterthought is absurd
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland, straight up.
But seriously, I wouldn’t give up any of the big four. If we could get it done with a grab-bag of B level guys that would be amazing, but we most likely can’t, although you never say never.
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by Keynes on Jul 7, 2009 3:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Why would he waive a no trade to go to Texas?
by LiamP on Jul 7, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this may be the bigger question
can you see the bosox offering a package around buchholtz, lars anderson, one of their picks from last years draft (kelly?), stolmy pimentel, melo-type?
buchholtz/anderson/kelly/pimentel/melo
rangers version:
feliz/borbon?/beavan/boscan/melo-type?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 7, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto
won’t trade Halladay within their division obviously though.
by Agreen07 on Jul 7, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think they would
if it was the best package of prospects
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 7, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
J.P. is exactly the type of ego to do it
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 7, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even bigger question
why would Boston want to give away quality prospects to get another starting pitcher?
they have 6 guys that can start right now, and another AAA arm rotting away
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was more of a hypothetical
than a real idea/offer
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it this way.
Halladay’s an extreme groundball pitcher (2.36 GB/FB ratio over his career). Isn’t the thought of an Andrus/Kinsler combo with an improving Michael Young really enticing to a pitcher like that?
by jwiscarson on Jul 7, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
If he can pick and choose where to go, why go to a place with no track record of playoff success where it’s hot as balls most of the time. Plus you have to account for the stigma of the Ballpark being an extreme hitters park.
by LiamP on Jul 7, 2009 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
I’d give up a lot but don’t think he’d waive the no-trade especially because he’s had such a hard time in Arlington.
by jcAustin on Jul 8, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'd waive it.
He’s a really laid back dude.
I don’t think he’s the kind of dude who worries about stats at all or anything like that, and I also don’t think he’d be the sort to create waves by vetoing a deal his team had agreed to.
Plus, we are a first place team as of right now and are gaining a lot of national attention for our bright future. I’d think that a player interested in winning over the next 3-5 years would be hard pressed to dismiss Texas unless he just absolutely hated it here and/or had his heart set on something else (East Coast or West Coast, or the NL, etc.).
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Mench haunts him.
Trade for Ian Snell.
by sprite on Jul 8, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland, Teagarden, Kiker, Lemon and Tellis
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jul 7, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sign me up
although I’d rather do Feliz than Holland
by blueballlefty on Jul 7, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt they will trade within the whole AL
Reasonable Ranger offer: pick up his salary, send a Hallmark Premier thank you card, with a note suggesting they replace the talent from within by drafting well and spending the salary savings in Latin America.
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by Ed Coffin on Jul 7, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now now, everyone...
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by ghtd36 on Jul 7, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man I haven't seen Ziggy in a decade
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 7, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez or Feliz/Main/Max/Beltre/Vallejo
hopefully with an agreement in place for an extension of some kind.
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by Maximilian on Jul 7, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Extension
I can’t recall even one single in-season trade in which an extension was in place when the deal was done.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 7, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know, but wishful thinking.
Especially while crying at that package that’s leaving.
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by Maximilian on Jul 7, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Santana agree to an extension as part of the trade to the Mets?
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by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 7, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did
that was an off-season deal though. i think it’d be hard to get roy AND negotiate an extension in july.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 7, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thinkI would rather
Give up Feliz than Perez.
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by boomer1 on Jul 7, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would too.
But if this deal hurts to look at, then we know we’ve offered enough.
It is Roy Halladay after all, not Paul Byrd.
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by Maximilian on Jul 7, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyman
SI_JonHeyman: jays may want top SS prospect in package for doc. thats good for #phils (donald), #brewers (escobar), #chisox (beckham)
So….anyone want to include Andrus in a deal with Halladay?
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by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
donald
top SS prospect?
hes gotta be a boras guy lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell to the no.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought: what other teams would be in the running for Halladay, and what would it take to get him?
by oc on Jul 7, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, any chance Riccardi nixes an in-division trade with the Rays/Sox/Yanks?
by oc on Jul 7, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to assume so. That would be murder she wrote if not.
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by lost in space on Jul 7, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angela Lansbury is SO hot!
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by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 7, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, can never have too many wrinkles on my women
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by lost in space on Jul 7, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These teams would consider I think:
Us (but in a way to not take on payroll)
Phillies (gotta think that they would really explore a deal)
Yanks/Sox (Like with every other player out there they will explore)
Mets (yet they don’t have the package to compete with other teams to get him)
Cubs (same with the Mets)
Dodgers (yet they would have to part with Billingsley or Kershaw and they would be no way in hell that happens)
White Sox (yet they would have to give up more than what they offered in the Peavy trade, so I don’t see them even close in getting him)
Thats really it I think of those who could try and get him. I say the Phillies got the best shot though
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillies huh?
Wonder what they would part with.
by oc on Jul 7, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jays will first ask for Kyle Drabek
Then one of either Dominic Brown or Carlos Carrasco, then Jason Donald (their SS prospect) and they could ask for J.A. Happ to get a pitcher to replace Halladay in the rotation right now, and probably a low tier prospect.
I really think that if Halladay is traded, it will bring a package that is worth more than the Tex trade
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the Twins?
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
by lost in space on Jul 7, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I really don't see the Twins making any deal for Halladay
I just don’t see them taking on payroll
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially not w/ mauer being a FA soon
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've got that new stadium about to come online...
But, yah, me neither.
Though I don’t know much about their new ownership situation.
I know Pohlad was a notorious tightass, but I think it’s his kids running the show now, so who knows how they’ll be as owners, especially once the new stadium comes online. Although I was reading about Target Field the other day and did a double take when I read it’s not being built with a retractable roof. In Minneapolis? Seriously? WTF? I guess it’s no worse than Detroit, but it seems dumb to me.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget michael taylor
drabek/taylor/donald/brown or carrasco/happ would be interesting
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would add the Brewers to the list
by Darrell McKown on Jul 7, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They said they had no intentions of trading Escobar or Gamel
I’d be surprised if they dealt both.
by LiamP on Jul 7, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melvin stepped up last year for a pitcher
I wouldn’t be shocked to see him do it again.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 7, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they decided to give up guys in the majors
There really isn’t a way I think the Brewers can get Halladay. It really hurt them when Jeremy Jeffress got himself suspended 100 games (and is on his way to getting banned from baseball if he fails one more test), and he was their best pitching prospect. They would have to give up both Alcides Escobar and Brett Lawrie, and really, any other team could easily out bid this deal.
If the Brewers want Halladay, the Jays are going to want Yovani Gallardo back. There is no way thats going to happen
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt realize he got suspended (again)
pot? (again?)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are underestimating the scarcity of SS talent in the minors
If Toronto specifically wants a SS in return, not many teams will be able to offer a better one than Escobar. He’s been more regarded than Andrus consistently. Add Lawrie and some complimentary pieces (Angel Salome, Zack Braddock, Manny Parra) and that is a pretty strong offer. Not sure how many teams could/would top that.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 8, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
escobar
defensively he has been more regarded
also, some people dont think much of salome (tiny guy), and para has fallen some after last year
escobar/salome/bradddock/parra just isnt that great of an offer imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for us to beat it
we would need to offer Andrus/Max/Main/Harrison, are you willing?
I’m not, and I don’t think the few other teams with premium young SS would be willing to beat that offer either. If the Blue Jays are insistent on a young SS, that is about the best deal that they could expect, unless the ChiSox decided to give up Beckham, Poreda, +.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 8, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt trade andrus
i would consider holland/max/main/harrison
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
poreda=overrated
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Escobar is also regarded as a better hitting prospect than Andrus
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 8, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not what i remember
but may be wrong
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd have to think they'd want to start with...
Smoak and Feliz, no?
by N41D on Jul 7, 2009 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably a good place to start
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by lost in space on Jul 7, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you do it?
Assuming we knew we could afford it and we knew he’d be willing to sign an extension here?
I’d think long and hard, but that really seems steep…
by N41D on Jul 7, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a heartbeat!
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by lost in space on Jul 7, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Halliday is one a handful of true aces in MLB. The likelihood of Feliz becoming a Halliday is low. And Smoak is good, but he’s not going to be Teixera.
But 1) we can’t afford it and 2) he wouldn’t sign an extension.
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by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 7, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most definitely would do it.
Just the thought of throwing out Halladay for a Game 1/Game 4/Game 7 come playoff time makes me drool.
by behindthebag on Jul 7, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think so
i still think we are a year off from doing a deal like that
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None. He's not worth it.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 7, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I realize he's relatively old
but he’ll give you at least 3 years of Ace pitching, and that’s exactly what the Rangers need. Give up whomever, except pitching prospects…if possible.
Getting Halladay makes them a real AL pennant contender in 2010 and 2011.
by Clueless on Jul 7, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know its gay to reply to myself, but
I forgot to mention my “formerly known as Nolan Ryan will attract pitchers” theory, which would become the “Halladay will attract at least one #2 pitcher to go along with this offense” theory.
by Clueless on Jul 7, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would agree with that
if we had halladay, texas instantly becomes more attractive to any pitcher imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off the table?
Who for the Rangers is off the table in a deal for Halladay? or I guess anyone else. We have to give up value, but I don’t give these guys up:
Holland
Smoak
Perez
Beavan (I just really think he’ll be a horse for us)
Anyone else I’ll talk. We could still get a deal done with Feliz and lots of other parts. Still able to restock with Purke and company from 2009 draft….
Who is off the table for you?
by peachygbc_1 on Jul 7, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Frankie Frank
love having him at the back of the pen.
this is similar to what jamey said last year that having too many prospects would come back to hurt us. I would love to put together a haren type deal and just give them like 5 solid B prospects. just throw spaghetti/prospects on the wall and see what sticks. I know this wont get it done, but with all the loading up on LA shortstops this type of trade will be easier to facilitate with our diverse mix of arms.
BTW ross is really crossing into not untouchable but “dont want t trade him” territory mostly because his ceiling vs. value are not what I bet they should be if that makes any sense.
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by rchawk12 on Jul 7, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Franky is one of the guys i think about moving if we fall way out
rather than having him on the list of untouchables
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Jul 8, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
Out of the four guys you think are untouchable, you’re probably going to have to give up one of them to actually think about getting a deal done
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by Smoak Some on Jul 7, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only around through 2010.
If Toronto wants ML talent:
Saltalamacchia or CD
Hunter
Moreland or Tim Smith
Carlos Pimentel
If Toronto wants prospects:
Borbon, Vallejo
Kiker
Bianucci
Font
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by rooster on Jul 7, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
font
for me is up there w/ the “untouchables” — the guy has SO much talent that trading him right now is selling way low imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think getting a legit Ace is selling low on Font, given the attrition rate of pitchers.
It’s more about what the Rangers need now and what Font could become later. It does little good this year and next to have Font, but it does a lot of good to have what we all hope Font becomes in 3-5 years.
I would really miss his nickname. Wingding is my favorite nickname in the entire organization.
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by rooster on Jul 8, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well im the #2 font homer fwiw lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Franky Frank
Poveda
Davis
If they say no, so be it
by BuckyB on Jul 8, 2009 12:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Throwing in Vallejo or Lemon (as ss prospects)
wouldn’t bother me at all
by BuckyB on Jul 8, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A case of Krystal burgers and a large Dr. Pepper
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by Section 339 on Jul 8, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the magic beans and a bag of corn nuts.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by lonestarJon on Jul 8, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ranch Corn Nuts?
When I see a solar eclipse I think "oh no, is the moon eating the sun?"
by Section 339 on Jul 8, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jalapeno Corn Nuts.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 8, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man I don't think I can go that far...that's a lot to give up. I have some year old peanut brittle...think we could work with that?
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by Section 339 on Jul 8, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Cain?
Since Halladay seems like a ‘no-go’ what about Matt Cain? Is he avaliable and what would it take? Also how long is he under control?
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by Bezekira on Jul 8, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's under control through 2011, last year being a team option
And Sabean hinted awhile back that he might trade Cain for somebody like Chris Davis.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 8, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really???? just Chris Davis for Cain?
If that’s the case, wouldn’t that be a slam dunk for the Rangers?
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by Bezekira on Jul 8, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a deal during the off season that people were thinking about.
But right now, Cain is borderline untouchable, and Davis has seen his value plummet. It makes sense on paper, but right now, they’d say no.
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by Maximilian on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it would be just Davis
But with him as a centerpeice, maybe.
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 9, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he didn't
the quote didn’t read that way to me.
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by DJCahill on Jul 8, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
Listening to KNBR 680am radio, the SF Giants flagship radio station and THE Sports Talk Radio (their self description):
Brian Sabean, Giants GM described the type of player the Giants would trade Cain for in a one for one deal— “young, power hitting, good glove first baseman who needs to learn patience”- Talk Show host said it sounded like Chris Davis of Rangers to which Sabean said “no comment”
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by lonestarJon on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think you would be looking at.....
Feliz
Teagarden
Borbon
Font
or something like that…..
I am all for adding an ace to this staff, and doing what it takes prospect wise to get him, however it doesn’t sound like we can add any payroll, and my guess is that Halladay would not agree to come here.
Maybe we are a year away from a deal like this….however I have seen the Angels name poping up around Halladay, and that would truly suck.
by death of the cool on Jul 8, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Luckily the Halos have let their farm system go to shit lately and likely don't have the chips.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have been heavily connected
to doc halladay trade rumors. They dont have a lot of prospects, but enough to make a deal depending on how highly the jays regard brandon wood. If they decided to gut the system the angels could very well get it done.
Wood, Trevor reckling, jordan walden + a lower level high ceiling prospect or two could happen. Not sure which team says no, if they both do, or it goes down, but it is most certainly possible. we could easily beat that deal, but then there is the payroll and no trade clause issues that I doubt would be a problem for those damn angels to overcome.
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by rchawk12 on Jul 8, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think for the Angels to really be players in this they'll have to take back either Vernon Wells' salary, or BJ Ryan's.
I don’t think they have enough in terms of prospects to get it done.
Halladay is so good and there are so many teams out there who can flat outbid them.
If Moreno was willing to take on some additional salary in the deal, well, not many teams in baseball are gonna be in position to offer something like that.
I don’t know enough about Moreno and the Angels’ overall financial situation to comment on the viability of that, though.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if they trade Dream Weaver in a package?
Weaver/Wood/Walden could be enticing.
Trade for Ian Snell.
by sprite on Jul 8, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they do
if they do that trade and dont sign doc long term, then it severely hurts their long term future.
no way they do that deal though. its counterproductive to trade for an ace while in the process trading your own ace, especially when he is young, cheap, and controllable beyond the next couple of years in addition to the extra prospects.
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by rchawk12 on Jul 8, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz, Teagarden, Borbon, Font
I make that deal.
I think that’s a good summary of what it would take:
1. Top pitching prospect — I would prefer to deal Feliz over Holland or Perez.
2. Catcher — I would deal any of the three.
3. Outfielder — Borbon or Beltre, although I could see them pushing for Cruz
4. Another solid pitching prospect — Beaven, Main, Kiker, Font type of pitcher, although I would try to get them to think about taking Harrison instead
Trading Feliz, Teagarden, Borbon, and Font for Halliday would basically be adding a legitimate ace to the team for nothing that’s really important this season. That would be a huge deal, one I think the Rangers have to make.
by Darrell McKown on Jul 9, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Feliz, Teagarden, Borbon, and Font for Halliday would basically be adding a legitimate ace to the team for nothing that’s really important this season
Geez, I think that’s kind of a harsh statement. I think the first 3 guys in your list are all important to this team the rest of the season (Borbon less than the others of course).
But, I agree with you — if they by some miracle can take on the money, then I think you have to make a deal like that.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, indeed.
That’s the kind of dal you just have to make. I love, love, love Neffy and would hate to deal a potential moster like Font, but this is Roy Halladay we’re talking about.
From Hicks’ perspective, if he can in anyway affard this move, he has to make it. Adding Halladay to the org makes it more attractive, imo. If anything it certainly doesn’t hurt. I imagine the PR would be incredible and the place would be pretty darn packed his first few starts as well.
Though it’d be ridiculously nice to get that done without including Borbon, who needs to be taking over CF and providing cheap plussy-plus defense here starting next year.
Yah, you make that deal if you can.
Absolutely.
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