LSB Community Prospect Project: Mid-Season #3
by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 9:01 AM CDT
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Well that was a bit of a runaway, wasn't it?
After 263 votes, Neftali Feliz has won the right to be called the LSB Community #2 prospect!
The List So Far:
Time to move on to the vote for #3.
I'm guessing this one won't be much of a contest either, but who knows.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
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Marteen
The big argument here, I suppose, is if there’s another player in the system that belongs in the Smoak-Happy-Perez tier, or if we are moving down to tier two at number four.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
I think this ends the top tier
but only because the next two guys on my list haven’t played a minor league game yet. Once I see how they can do I might be willing to put them on the same tier as the top 3.
In my mind
it’s tier super-duper sexy 1, and tier 1A with Perky Shepherd, then tier 2 begins at #6.
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Heh
Yep, this is the last no-brainer. I’m ready for the Schepps/Purke battle already.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by LSJ on Jul 8, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
100% of the first 11 votes now
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
Heh, 26/26.
Wow.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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DJ the Dan been here...
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
butbutbut
hes runining the valididity of our internet poll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/paulthomas
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
I think we could skip to #4 later this afternoon
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
Birthdates:
Robbie Ross: 6/24/89
Joe Wieland: 1/21/90
Matt Purke: 7/17/90
Martin Perez: 4/14/91
I’m just sayin’ is all.
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thats just wack wack wack.
hard to believe martin is almost TWO YEARS YOUNGER than robbie ross
others:
blake beavan – 1/17/1989
michael main – 12/14/1988
neftali perez feliz – 5/2/1988
derek holland: 10/9/1986
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
I'm thinking he'll be up soon.
Even if it’s just tandem starting with someone.
Next year’s A+ staff is gonna be the most nutsest pitching staff in the history of the minor leagues.
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Main + all the HIC kids + Frisco spillover like Murphy or Bleier + Scheppers maybe
How about we ease the 2010 Hi-A logjam by starting Martin Perez out in Frisco.
I think thats whats gonna happen
Perez is putting up better numbers that Feliz did in Low A and his secondary stuff as well as other baseball aspects are more advanced than Neftalis were last year so I see no reason he needs to spend any time in High A.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You are worse than a broken record on this
when you’re proved wrong your penalty s/b admitting you were wrong every single time Martin’s name come up in any and every 2010 thread
What?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
your Perez must skip HighA bit
is about 6 weeks old now…
How is it a bit?
I think it is a very logical and possible thing that could happen. Last year Feliz jumped from Low A to AA after only 82 innings. He was dominant in those 82 innings but he lacked a very good secondary pitch and he was horrible at holding runners for instance.
Perez now has almost 70 innings in Low A and the stats are very very similar between the two. Couple that with Perez’s much better secondary stuff to Feliz at this point and the fact we have heard nothing but good things with regards to his baseball IQ and I think its a very plausible thing to happen.
Id say he finishes the year with ~110 innings and that would be more than enough in my eyes to warrant a jump to Frisco if he keeps up these dominant numbers.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Mark it down.
Perez will play at a higher level this year.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 8, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
From all the reports...
It sounds like he clearly has the skill level to advance to A+ (if not AA), but I think they hold him back simply due to innings limits.
The kid is still only 18. I think he goes to AA Frisco next year to start and sticks in A- the rest of this year while throwing ~120 innings or so, followed up by 150 or so next year, and then 180 with some big-league time in 2011.
~120 innings in 2009
So, he’d repeat the work he’s done at the level so far.
That’s not without reason…he can stretch out to longer outings, stay with his friends on the team, refine pitches.
I don’t think that’s what happens. The inning total is sound – even at 100 IP, I think he’ll justify a more advanced workload.
For the record, Felix did everything Martin’s doing a year younger at each level. Different bodies, different pitchers, but yeah.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 8, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, hard to believe our #3 prospect is actually younger than me.
Kind of makes me feel largely insignificant to the greatness of Martin Perez.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by LSJ on Jul 8, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
We're all insignificant compared to the greatness of Martin Perez
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
I'm gone for 4 days in Vegas
and not only do I miss the Rangers sweeping Tampa, Chris Davis getting demoted (yay!), but I also miss the start of the Midseason Prospect Updates!?!?!?
Go Rice Owls!
We knew you were gone
Don’t go back and look through any old threads, we’ve been dog-cussing you pretty hard…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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OMG, yah. Has any fanpost in the history of LSB gotten more recs and comments than the "JBImaknee is a big horrible douche and is a bad person on the inside" thread?
I don’t think it’s even close.
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Should Tommy Hunter and Warner madrigal be on the list?
Hunter has all of 28 ML innings as of now, and Madrigal has 44, both below the BA threshold for prospects. For some reason I’d thought they’d both gone past that this year.
I’m thinking they should be eligible.
Anyone against this?
I’m also thinking Moscoso is a bit of an oversight not being on already so he’ll come on.
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Yes.
If Tim Smith is on there, I think Golson should be as well.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
You'd vote for Greg Golson within the next few spots?
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no. I think he's somewhere in the range that Tim Smith is, and since Tim Smith is up there I thought Golson should be.
I haven’t decided if Smith, for me, is 15-20 or 20-25.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
So you think Hunter is here to stay?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Why the distinction?
Just curious.
Both are below the threshold.
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Well he can be but
he does only have 6 innings left and he was lots of service time, not that it really matters.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Jul 8, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's easiest to just be uniform, rather than arbitrary
If they are under the BA threshold, include ‘em. That way it doesn’t require any thinking on our part.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
Yah, that's what I was thinking.
And, speaking of Madrigal…. is anyone else still really optimistic about Madirgal’s future as a key late innings piece going forward?
I know he shit the bed something fierce early this season, but when you take into account how new he is to pitching I’m willing to cut him quite a bit of slack for that. It was actually quite amazing how fast he was able to make it to the show.
His numbers in AAA this year have been superb.
28 innings, 1.88 ERA, 29 K’s and only 8 walks.
He obviously had some things he needed to work on, and, judging by those AAA numbers, he’s coming along nicely.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him come up some time soon and be a huge boost to our bullpen, and eventually take over as our primary RH setup man, maybe as soon as next season.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I still have
high hopes for the Mad Pig, 7th or 8th innings guy and like you, I think next season sounds about right for that, if not this fall.
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He is my brown doppelganger, I have to love him.
And I am very impressed with his AAA performance. He’s a keeper.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
There is still reason to hope he hasn't got the major league yips
He is unscored upon his last 7 outings…
I would give anything to see Strop put up those #s in the second half.
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
whoa, just realized that according to the BA threshold Teagarden also needs to be included
Isn’t it 150 ab?
TT has 116 ab, and 126 plate appearances. I guess if we are going to use the BA standards, he goes on right?
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
Holy shit.
Yah, I guess so.
I mean, we’re trying to mimmick what BA does, and BA would have him on.
Jeez. That’s a tough pill to swallow, though.
He’s been up all dang season.
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But he's been on the 25-man
for months, like Holland and I can’t see bothering to include either of them. Wouldn’t Tea fall under the “time on roster” part of that? I’m probably mixing up my standards there.
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Holland has over 50 innings so hes definitely off
And I think for this purpose we shouldn’t include Teagarden because of the fact hes been up all season. But its your project Dirk so whatever you want to do.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yah, I'm leaning towards keeping him off since he's been up all season, but it's a tough call.
It kind of ruins the prospect discussion when one dude is as entrenched as a big leaguer as TT is.
I think I break the “rule” and leave him off.
If anyone objects, then, I dunno.
Object away, I suppose.
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It seems like a valid exception to the rule at this point
AB requirements aside, nobody in their right mind really considers Tea a true “prospect” at this point, I wouldn’t think.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
+1
I have a feeling people would vote him high up on the list again just based on the fact that “he’s in the big leagues” when there’s plenty of actual prospects who deserve the recognition on a list like this instead.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
by LSJ on Jul 9, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Miggy de los Santos
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
post the reason why goyo
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
Please do
I would like to be informed. Bring me out of this prison of ignorance.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
Most likely his "visa problems" came with a revised age, which hurts him.
Plus the fact that he’s been stuck in the DSL for so long works against his development.
What he’s doing over there is mighty impressive, but there’s a really good chance he’s significantly older than thought, plus a chance he might never be allowed back over if he committed some other type of fraud.
Both of things need to be taken into consideration.
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Scheppers
Guys who have big success at a major collegiate program can often start off at hi-A and might reach AA in their first go.
Scheppers stuff and performance certainly fits that profile. If he really had the best stuff behind Strasburg, then its better than Perez’s, at least right now.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
I always feel uncomfortable using "stuff" to describe a pitcher's arsenal ever since I saw the clip below
from Cedric the Entertainer’s perspective on Shaq. Goto 2:30 if you don’t want to listen to jokes about old Kobe new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf-ys9w6k_4
The bit is so funny to me, I can’t say “his stuff” with a straight face in nearly any context.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
I still think they might get him there in July.
My theory is they would hold off on breaking the slot with Scheppers until they get their Latin class signed. Retribution couldn’t be immediate if that is the way they play it. It might screw up next year’s Latin signings or something else, but it seems the Rangers were really impressed with the top end of this year’s group.
Maybe if things aren’t too crazy with trades for Halladay or of Blalock or of Nippert over the ASB some progress can be made on Scheppers negotiations.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
Except that those signings almost always wait for the last few days before the deadline.
Last year the rumors were they had the Ross deal done way ahead of the deadline but that they sat on it ’till the deadline.
It seems silly to us, but the way teams adhere to this “request” by the comish’s office makes me think it’s no joke and I’ve got no real reason to believe we’re suddenly gonna stop adhering to it now with Scheppers.
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, those signed so far
even down into later rounds have been mostly very close to slot.
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Has a team ever been fined
for signing their overslot guys in June?
I don't even know what the "penalty" might be, but the fact that nearly every single team seems to abide by these unwritten rules makes me think we will again have to wait 'till the deadline to see our news dudes sign.
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Yeah I agree
I’m just amazed that any team would be willing to give the commish any acknowlegement at all given that the unwritten rules are not only being flouted, but completely demolished year after year. It just seems odd, not to mention, a bit on the drag on the development of prospects, esp college guys, and in this instance particularly Scheppers has really hasn’t pitching in 1 1/2 years and needs some friggin’ innings.
It’s a bit atavistic, the respect shown the commish: its a bit like opening the door for his daughter while secretly ravaging her in a drive-through parking lot…
I just found this Callis comment on
his look at this year’s first round slot signs:
“While all of them are expected to sign, MLB won’t approve significantly above-slot deals until shortly before the deadline.”
I guess this just didn’t compute for me before but the punishment is in fact forcing the overslot signs to miss 1/2 of the season so the punishment is real rather than imagined but doesn’t seem to extend beyond this.
I bet the team sends him to winter ball
after instructs or at least that is what I am hoping.
i just want to point this out:
Paul Thomas said over the winter that Martin Perez dreams of being half of the pitcher that James Simmons is.
by Brett Perryman on May 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
actually i think this is the exact quote
Martin Perez hopes to become James Simmons in four years Your 2008 Athletics: It’s Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Nov 30, 2008 2:33 PM EST
some other great ones from that thread:
Martin Perez… is the most overrated pitching prospect since Deolis Guerra. He’s a decent prospect, but there’s no way he should be ranked. People are taking the Johan Santana comp far too literally.
Age relative to league is meaningless for pitchers unless they’re already absolutely dominating. Their development curve is unpredictable as all hell and the fact that they’re this young and haven’t even hit the injury nexus yet mitigates against them. It’s not a mark in their favor.
Young pitchers with live arms who can’t miss bats yet are sleepers. They’re not top-100 prospects.
by slamcactus on Nov 30, 2008 6:25 PM EST
Perez is a nice prospect, but he belongs in the same category as guys like Juan Ramirez from the Mariners. Live arm, some idea of what to do with it, could fly up prospect lists if things break right, but not a current top prospect.
by slamcactus on Nov 30, 2008 7:16 PM EST
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
Paul is right about the injury nexus mitigation factor,
but wrong about Perez in every other way there. I don’t think he makes that same post this year, though. It’s obvious Perez has progressed and is a legit top prospect on everyone’s board now.
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its just that he said it at all
james simmons = not. that. good.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
he scoffs at others for overvaluing their team’s prospects, but is blind to his own bias.
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well of course
he is THE paulthomas.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
I almost voted for him in the "favorite tool" thread over at minorleagueball
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
heh
nice
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
so...
I’m voting for Max Ramirez next. I think he’s snapping out of his rut (he’s taken 9 walks in his last 10 games compared to 11 in the first 46) and I think when he recaptures his stroke he will yet again become the hitting machine.
Umm, you know he just hit the DL with soreness in his other wrist, right?
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
read somewhere he may have season ending surgery?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
He's had pretty much a lost season, and wrist injuries scare me a bit, so I'm downgrading him based on that, but I still think he's a possible .300/.400/.500, league average defense catcher.
If we didn’t have Salty and Tea here, I wonder how differently we’d think of old Maximiliano…
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
We kinda spoiled huh?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I don't feel spoiled watching Salty and his .250 /.305 / .375
Actually, I feel more “soiled” than “spoiled” watching him miss expectations by a large mark with Teagarden rotting on the bench.
About the best thing you can say about Salty right now is that he’s about league average overall, and he’s young and cheap.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
We're talking prospects, no?
So it’s based on potential, and all three catchers have the potential to be well above average MLB players.
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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yep
not the offensive juggernaut that many believed and being happy about him becoming a league average defensive catcher is also another way of saying he was defensively overrated too (though his progress has been amazing and unexpected). I think he is what he is right now.
so basically hall of fame caliber?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jul 8, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Do we need to rec every one of these?
A new one comes out daily, so there isn’t any problem accessing the current thread, and occasionally a really good post (like spurdynasty’s FB piece) will get pushed out of the recommended fanshots just so we can have the last five CPP threads all up top.
There's more to the picture than meets the eye.
by tricer on Jul 8, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
True...
If we’re gonna do them in rapid-fire succession at one a day this year, they probably don’t need to be recced. They’ll generate enough discussion to keep them visible on the sidebar, and they shouldn’t get pushed too far down the page unless there’s a shitstorm of lousy fanposts or something big happens. If it does get close to getting pushed off the page, then we can rec it up if we need to.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
good point
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
the worst part of these projects is that they push off good posts from the rec lists.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
It seems odd for you
to worry about too many good fanposts.
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Not my fault!
It won’t let me rec ’em ;)
And, yah, for the most part I agree. I’m not too concerned about pushing good stuff off as it stays there for at least 3-4 days anyhow, and no real LSB’er should ever go 3-4 days sans LSB.
But there’s no real need to keep 5 pics of my fugly mug at the top of the main page at all times.
The people who enjoy these and the conversation they bring about will find them every morning anyhow.
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Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
isn't the best solution to un-rec
the old ones?
That way the current one gets moved up, the old ones get dropped.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Jul 8, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If enough people un-rec them, yes
Gotta get them down below 6 recs, I think.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
i unrec'd the one i had orig rec'd
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
CPPs shouldn't be recced
They should be dragged to the front page. My .02.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 8, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
The most obvious pick
Of the lot. The dropoff after MarPer is sizable.
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I'm quite bored
Days off are overrated.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
I think he meant... Conjunction, junction what's your function?
BTW, it isn’t a slam dunk between Perez and Scheppers, IMO, and if Max hadn’t injured his wrist, I could imagine he would be in the mix for #3 as well.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
If Max hadn't... If Main hadn't... If Beltre would just...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
That’s what prospects are all about. Almost none of them do what Holland, Feliz, and Smoak have done.
The system is deep enough that some of these what if don’t really hurt it’s quality, but if they suddenly turn into something the system gets a big boost. Pretty cool.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
Ah, I missed that
In anticipation of my empty day I stayed up fairly late, but my dog insisted I wake up at 6 this morning. Bit slow on the uptake.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
stayed up late, got up early, so...
you might way you went from out of the frying pan and into the fire?
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Martin Perez hype
I don’t really get all the Martin Perez hype…
He looks very impressive but he hasn’t even passed A ball yet. I don’t understand how this would ever come in the same breath as guys like Feliz/Smoak. He would fit more clearly into the slightly ahead of Scheppers/Purke but clearly in the next tier for me.
Also, how does he fit ahead of Max Ramirez even if Max is hurt? Max has shown he can be a hitter at the top level.
Max hasn't hit anything since AA.
Get on base or die, Salty.
"Young is the Good version of David Eckstein. Grossly overrated because of grit. He can move one step to the right, and a half step to the left whereever you put him in the field." - DJ Cahill
Kidding of course
I guess you are right…
I’m not sure where I got that notion…I thought he put up better numbers at both other levels. They are much more disappointing looking back at them.
Conceded. The point remains the same, I just need a better example…
Like PurdyNastyDave sez
He’s got a TORP package lurking behind his diapers. His stuff might play at ANY level right now when he’s on. Just need to get him grow’d up and consistent.
Even with this...
How many pitchers at the lower levels can people say this about? In addition, what kind of percentage would you give him for major league success?
Along the same lines, how many pitchers can we say have Feliz stuff? What kind of percentage would you give him for major league success as a starter? As a reliever?
I heir pretty strongly on the Feliz side on this one. How can these two be in the same sentence?
Was just kinda pondering this ...
… every ML rookie pitcher talks about “these guys punish mistakes” during the press post-mordem of their just-completed ragged debut. Pitchers like Perez I think stand out because they are already limiting their mistakes even to A ball hitters. Usually it’s expressed by cagey observers as “command of all 3 pitches” or some such phrase. Low HR-rate might be a tangible stat reference for this trait. He’s ahead of the curve in an important part of the pitching game.
How many?
Not that many, really. He has better secondary stuff and is more polished than most guys his age. So his stuff is better than most, and he’s more finished than most at his age/level. There really aren’t many you could say that about. You couldn’t even say it about Feliz when he was in Clinton.
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Not sure why this needs to be said over and over
but it is all about how you weigh ceiling and proximity. Instead of merely questioning the meaninglessness of the whole affair, enumerate your criteria. And just to be clear, numerical rankings are meaningless but evaluating prospects is a paying gig for some after all.
weighing
right, and to me Feliz and Perez are both close enough in terms of awesomeness, that the closeness tipped my decision to vote Feliz ahead in these rankings, even though I think Perez might very well be more valuable than Feliz in the long run. These rankings are indeed meaningless, but the discussions they (and other rankings) endender are great.
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The Martin Perez hype
stems from a few things IMO.
1) His age relative to his level and his success at that level. Not only is he extraordinarily young for his age but he has had great success
2) From that ive read about ppl who have seen him is that his polish is amazing. He has 3 very good pitches and excellent velocity. He fits the mold perfectly of a future TORP like shroomer says. Seems to be mature and coachable as well.
by Michael Cave on Jul 8, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
this
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, exactly.
I don’t know that I’d have him so highly rated if I hadn’t had the good fortune to see him pitch early this Spring.
To say that he’s a special prospect is putting it lightly.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, when a kid punishes the NWL before he can even legally buy Copenhagen, that's going to generate excitement
A guy that has great stuff, great polish, and great makeup is going to get folks excited and rightfully so.
Not to mention that, for better or worse, scouts, fans, and prospect gurus love to do comps. And when one Venezuelan teenager is laying waste to college hitters in the NWL just like another Venezuelan teenager did a few years back on his was to becoming the King of Seattle, it’s hard not to start fantasizing about what might be…
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
Look at Feliz's numbers last year in Low A and compare them to Martins this year
Then realize Martin is two years younger than Feliz was at the same level.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
yea, exactly
I mean, its just really sick
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
so far my votes are right in line
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
the # sign
always gets screwy
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
by knockoutking on Jul 8, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Yah, I really have no idea who's gonna take that one.
I know who I’m gonna vote for, but even I’m not 100% sold on him as our #4 guy.
The top 3 were pretty much set before we started.
Beyond that it’s wide the eff open.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh hey Dirk
After 263 votes, Neftali Feliz has won the right to be called the LSB Community #1 prospect!
You should change it to #2 prospect.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Heh, thanks.
Fixed.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 8, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Perez
But really…..by the way the vote is going, does it really need to be explained why I chose him?
Bill Simmons: "I will tell you right now, if the Boston Red Sox traded Clay Buchholz for Justin Smoak, I will run around my neighborhood naked...celebrating for an hour. I love Justin Smoak"
Kiker vs. Ross
So I know the secondary numbers don’t mean crap, but is Kiker really that much more of a prospect than Ross? I know Kiker has had success this year, but I dont believe he ever had numbers like Ross’s (though in a short sample size) and not saying I wouldn’t put Kiker above Ross but Kiker has 6 votes and there is none for Ross
also from Callis
Ryan (Georgia)
A battle of short alliteratively named lefties: Robbie Ross or Kasey Kiker?
Jim Callis
Ross.
not 100% sure I agree, however
I mean, Ross has been incredibly impressive in Spokane, but Kiker put up good (though not as dominant) numbers for Clinton at the same age. For me, it’s a toss-up between the two. Today I’d rather have Kiker, but tomorrow who knows.
agree on the unwhelming fastball
But right now it’s working for him, and until he faces big league caliber hitters I can’t say for sure that it’s holding him back as a prospect. Especially if the low gun readings are a direct result of coach’s attempts to improve his command.
This is the deciding factor for me
in that debate. If Kiker is sitting 86-88 I just can’t get that excited about him, it really tempers your expectations.
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plenty of
lefties are very successful at 88
by blueballlefty on Jul 8, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, but
when talking about potential ceilings a lefty sitting in the low 90s outranks a lefty sitting mid to upper 80s.
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I firmly believe he is dialing it back to work on his command
and repition of his mechanics. He has been clocked at 94 more than once this year, no?
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Kind of a lengthy project
wouldn’t you say, 1 1/2yrs?
Whatever, gottaberightallthetime prospect bully.
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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
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i've seen him pitch and yea he threw 94 on several occasions
most of the time he was at 88-90, but i think he can certaintly throw 94 when he wants too. Thats why i think at the very least, he could definitely end up as a nice lefty out of the pen
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
plenty more are successful
sitting at 90-92 in the bullpen
this is what i saw him at when i saw him pitch
but that was a month or so ago
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I wouldn't worry about any of those votes for now
Those are probably just HH’s screennames voting.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Yeah, no joke
Check out his post (I think under “whittlemantastic”) on the prospect #2 thread where he tells us to kiss his a** if we don’t agree that Kiker is the #2 prospect and that he’s a lot better than Feliz.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
from the Jim Callis chat a second ago
Ryan (Georgia)
Purke or Scheppers?
Jim Callis (3:02 PM)
Purke.
and
Christy (Plano)
What are your thoughts on Mike Bianuccui, the OF prospect for the Rangers? He seems to be a hitting machine! Thanks!!!!
Jim Callis (2:52 PM)
I like Bianucci a lot. Could see him being a big league regular if it all works out.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
What about Tim Smith for the Rangers
Jim Callis (2:54 PM)
Another one of my favorite sleepers.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
Nice updates, thanks.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
hmm
i definitely think Beavan has a better chance of being a starter in the ML, but that doesnt mean he’ll be more valueable b/c Kiker could certaintly be an above average, to very above average reliever while Beavan might not be any better than a below Avg starter
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I think it was over at Beyond the Box Score
had an article up recently comparing Mariano Rivera to David Wells because of a rumor that Rivera was almost traded for Wells way back. Wells had more career value than Rivera, even though Rivera is one of the most awesome relievers of all time just because he pitched so many more innings and didn’t suck too much.
Wells’ career OPS+ was 108, so he was slightly above average instead of below. But Kiker would have to be an awesome reliever, to be more valuable than a slightly below average starter. Here’s the link:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/6/30/930990/graph-of-the-day-david-wells-vs
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better see johnny whittleman
get at least a mention when it comes between #15 – #30
or else i’m going to start kicking some of y’alls ass
cogito sumere potum alterum
by whittlemantastic on Jul 8, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
Wasn't it like 3 weeks ago
when you yourself were all like, ‘Is Whittleman better than Adam Fox?’
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Jul 8, 2009 3:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Baaaa
So far, I’m a sheep, following the herd.
- Smoak
- Feliz
- Perez
Tomorrow it gets interesting.
"What is that — five out of six? The numbers say what they say. They own us." -- Torii Hunter, 07/01/09
by NorCalRangersFan on Jul 8, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions
how in the eff does kiker have 9 votes
if he gets elected the #4 prospect, i might go all paulthomas on LSB
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Call up Joaquin Arias? He had a legit spring training and seems to have cooled off a little bit in OKC but still a DH option. " -- kch tx
I've got to say Scheppers is #4 about Purke
Both violate my wariness about voting for anyone who hasn’t signed yet, but Scheppers had outside potential to be the #1 pick in the draft last season.
Once signed, I think Scheppers has the potential to rocket through this system in ways that may Justin Smoak and Tommy Hunter look like Thomas Diamond. Yeah, the injury concern is very real and very valid (which is why he’s only #4 on my list). But Tanner Scheppers, if healthy, could turn out to be the best pitcher to enter this organization in decades. He has ace written all over him.
Go Rice Owls!
Gagree.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Scheppers is #4 on my list as well
Other than health, my only real concern with Scheppers is control. He walked 4.3/9 as a junior in college. I’ll happily assume that control will come with improved coaching and the routine that comes with being a professional pitcher.
I love what the scouts are saying about Purke and I like high school pitchers more than most, but 18 yo pitchers with questionable mechanics are hit-and-miss. Purke is #5 on my list. Unless, of course, Robbie Ross puts up another 10K/0BB 5 inning effort, in which case everyone from Smoak to Font gets moved down a spot so that the Kiker look-alike can take his rightful spot as my favorite Ranger prospect.
Agree as well
I like the fast moving comment. I honestly think we’ll see him in Arlington well before September callups in 2010.
"wORLD sEIRES HERE WE COMER!!!!!!!!!"by bigsteve on May 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
"Elvis Andrus has just performed a miracle." -Eric Nadel
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