Halladay and the Rangers -- a collection of links
Okay, the Blue Jays are supposedly willing to talk about trading Roy Halladay, the Rangers need a Roy Halladay, so speculation has started up.
I haven't really started hard-core thinking about whether the Rangers should try to get him (given what it would likely cost) and what sort of realistic trade packages I'd part with, but I can offer up some links...
Joel Sherman in the NY Post talks about teams that various execs around baseball discuss as potential landing spots for Halladay, and talks at length about why execs think the Rangers could be a fit. The execs in question apparently think that, despite Tom Hicks well-documented money woes, the Rangers could add contracts and payroll if they wanted, pointing out the money they are spending in Latin America and their popping Purke and Scheppers in the draft.
Jim Callis's chat session today includes a lot of Rangers talk, and leads off with a couple of Halladay questions, including this proposal:
Allyson (Dallas, TX)
How about this trade (I made up), Roy Halladay and Rod Barajas to the Rangers for Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Neftali Feliz, Marcus Lemon, and Wilmer Font? Rangers giving up enough to get Halladay?
Jim Callis
(2:03 PM)
That one's closer, but I'm not sure the Jays would quite bite on that one. Saltalamacchia never has hit like I and others expected, and I'm not a fan of Lemon. Also not sure Halladay would approve a trade to that launching pad.
I agree, I don't think that gets a deal done...Font is a nice throw-in guy but not a centerpiece to a Halladay deal, Lemon is filler, and Salty's value continues to decrease as he continues to not hit major league pitching.
Evan Grant throws out another possibility:
Been trading emails with Jon Daniels for the last few minutes. He doesn’t flat out say the Rangers won’t pursue a deal for Roy Halladay. In fact, I’m assuming they are doing their due diligence on the matter. But he’s also publicly said that he’s operating under the assumption that the Rangers won’t be adding payroll at the trade deadline and I see no way to take on Halladay without taking on payroll. And that’s not even factoring in the Rangers lack of motivation to weaken a very strong farm system.One thought: What if you gave the Blue Jays your best three-man package (a 1B, a C and a pitcher not named Feliz/Holland/Perez, plus Hank Blalock and Vicente Padilla. Blue Jays could then flip Padilla and Blalock for lesser prospects in another deal in July and effectively recoup six or seven players for Halladay. Rangers would only have the 2010 financial burden to consider and the Blue Jays would effectively still be losing Halladay’s salary by the end of July.
From Rangers standpoint, if you add Halladay, but trade away one of the veteran pitchers, you diminish the effect Halladay has on the overall staff this year. And for all his inconsistent moments at the plate, I think the Rangers feel like they need Blalock’s presence in the lineup right now.
I don't see Toronto doing that, I don't think. It is presumably Smoak, Salty and maybe Beavan or Boscon or Main, plus salary filler. I can't imagine that the Blue Jays are going to get much, if anything, of value for Blalock or Padilla, so the idea that they could flip those two guys for something additional doesn't appear to work.
Kevin Sherrington thinks the Rangers trading for Halladay only makes sense if they sign him to an extension, and even then, he thinks they may not be able to add the payroll associated with Halladay.
Ken Rosenthal lists possible suitors, but nixes the Rangers because of Hicks' financial situation and because he doesn't think Halladay would waive his no-trade clause to pitch here.
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I think this is a 100% non-starter, ain't gonna happen, fantasy baseball
wish of a trade.
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Yep
I’d love to get Halladay here, but I just don’t see any way the Rangers are financially going to be able to do it.
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I don't see how the Rangers could do it prospect wise either.
I’ve heard and I’m thinking that the Jays need infielders (except for second base). They are getting pretty old at 1st, short and third.
If I was Toronto, I’d ask for Smoak, Elvis, and Feliz.
well, what about...
Padilla, David Murphy, Neftali Feliz, Max Ramirez, Blake Beavan, and Engel Beltre
If we could somehow get Roy Halladay. I seriously think we have a chance to get to the ALCS. And if we can get a chance to play in the ALCS. Then we damn sure have a chance to play in the World Series this year.
We have a chance this year to do something special. But no way in hell can we make it without a Halladay type of picther to lead this team to the post season. Millwood can’t do it alone and padilla, well hell, it’s really hard to count on him. we trade for Roy Halladay and then also try and pick up another starting pitcher if possible
by whittlemantastic on Jul 8, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they need to stick to the plan and ...
keep the upper talent in the farm system intact. I like Halladay, but at 32 with all of the innings he’s logged, I’d be nervous about trading the farm for him, which is what the Blue Jays would rightfully expect.
The plan is beginning to pay dividends and if we’re going to trade our high-end prospects for an ace-type, that ace-type needs to have significantly less miles on his arm and be subject to team control longer than a year and a half.
stick to what plan???
the plan for so many years has been so fucked up i have no idea what the plan is anymore. 2010? 2011? Well it;s 2009.. we can do something. we have the best arsenal and weapons to deal with right now than we have ever had as long as I can remember.
by whittlemantastic on Jul 8, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
there’s a chance we can get to the ALCS
by whittlemantastic on Jul 8, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Not even going to consider how it might get done
I’d be SHOCKED if the Rangers could put any sort of feasible package together considering financials
Quickly:
Who’d you rather trade for (money-issues aside): Halladay, Webb, or Dan Haren?
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nah
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by inactive lsb user on Jul 9, 2009 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw Rosenthal on MLB earlier
saying Doug Davis could be available. Anyone?
Solid guy to throw out there every 5 days. Much cheaper in terms of prospects.
Is he a product of the National League?
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I don't know but i have like three of his autographs.
He’s pretty cool.
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at this point
you use your prospects to land a TORP.
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I think we may be just one year
away from really taking that HR swing. I like the ace play next yr not this yr. I do agree that if you make a trade at that time might as well go all in
The Doug Davis situation is getting kind of interesting.
According to Ken Rosenthal, the D’backs want 1st to 2nd-rd talent “which is what they will receive if they offer him arbitration and he departs as a free agent,”.
But let us not forget that this is the same D’backs team that declined to offer Adam Dunn arbitration last year. So yeah, it’s doubtful they’ll get what they are asking for right now. With that said, Doug Davis is the type of pitcher you trade for to solidify the back of your rotation. And that’s not what the Rangers need to do this year.
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Angels
I just want anyone not LAA to get him if he’s traded.
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I'd kinda be OK with LAA getting him
it’d mean they’d be giving up a LOT of their future…
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
it would depend on that package I guess, but I’d hate for them to have him for this year and next. He’s one of the top handful of pitchers in baseball right now, and I don’t want them acquiring that kind of player unless they absolutely mortgage their very souls to get him.
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Do the Angels have the prospects necessary for him?
If you say it will take a Smoak/Perez or a Davis/Salty/Perez type deal, who do the Angels have to get near that? I’m not saying I’d even consider doing that, but if that is what it would cost Texas, then it’d cost Anaheim the equivalent. Anaheim simply doesn’t have the equivalent.
If it’d cost LAA less, then it’d also cost Texas less, and that’d be entering territory that I may consider.
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They could more easily take on Wells and his albatross contract.
But no, I don’t think they have the talent to compare.
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I'll laugh for days
if the Angels take on Wells’ giant contract. Wells + GMJ + Hunter + Rivera???? Ha ha ha ha ha
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What's wrong with GMJ?????
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by lost in space on Jul 8, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
he's not taking PEDs anymore.
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It would be delicious, wouldn't it?
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i'm not even going to get remotely excited about this
besides, I’ve already exceeded my ration of excitement today thinking about the Marion trade and trade that will happen next summer to bring Bosh or Joe Johnson to Dallas.
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As with Santana
I think JD should put together a proposal of prospects that wouldn’t hurt, put it on the table for Ricciardi and sit back with his legs on his table enjoying being in 1st place. If they bite for any reason, and Halladay accepts the move, and we move payroll and sign Halladay to an extension, great. It’s like winning the lottery. And there’s no harm in trying, seeing as how “we” control the package we offer.
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Same thing he did for Greinke.
I completely agree. Put something on the table, if it gets serious interest, THEN talk to Hicks about the financial situation.
I tend to believe the financial situation will keep the Rangers from making a trade. However, JD has a history of working very quietly on big moves. On the surface it might look like a 1 in a million chance, but I’d bet its much more likely to happen than most people seem to think, given the way JD has gone after big name pitchers the past couple of years.
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Very true
I mean how many of us really thought Atl was in the mix for Tex?
It sucks we really aren't a major player for him.
He’s by far my favorite pitcher in all of baseball.
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My favorite pitcher in baseball is Roy Oswalt
and I think he’s a more of a possibility of coming to Texas than Halladay, even considering all the obstacles (contract, Drayton’s strange rivalry with the Rangers, etc).
Whereas Toronto has a good organization that could use a couple of ‘A’ pieces to push them over the top, the Astros are an embarrassment. Theoretically, a package of one strong young pitcher plus a bundle of potential Lemons (yeah, I mean that both ways) would be enough, because they could all the B-/C+ prospects they could get. Quantity would have value to Houston.
Go Rice Owls!
But Oswalt isn't really any good any more.
So why bother?
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He's still a pretty good pitcher
who’s had a past of second-half dominance and performing in the playoffs. A lot of his struggles this season seem to have come from giving up too many homers and line drives, but I don’t think he’s lost his stuff or anything.
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Unfortunately
as was said before, Houston will be smart to demand a boatload and JD’s going to be smart enough to not give it to them.
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I'd say we're fortunate there, actually
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
he's pretty damn good
I mean, he would be an upgrade even if we gave up any pitcher on this roster. Even Millwood. But obviously it wouldn’t make sense to give up Millwood to do this…however, Padilla WOULD make sense…seeing as how he hasn’t been 100% reliable this year.
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Blue Jays
are supposedly open to trading Alex Rios as well. So yeah! Let’s do it. We can never have enough OFs
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Smoak
I hate to think about trading Smoak. Who else in the farm system has a legitimate shot at being a big time bat other than Smoak?
CD, now...
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depends how you define "legimate shot"
I think there is something like a 75% chance that Smoak becomes the best hitter out of everyone in the farm system. I’d give Davis and MaxRam each about a 10% shot, and the field a 5% shot.
Go Rice Owls!
I'd still say CD and Max
Moreland and a few others…
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by Walter Sobchak on Jul 8, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
I feel like I’m falling into the trap of overvaluing prospects. I don’t want to give up too much of substance but there’s no guarantee for any of them. I’d rather do this type of thing next year, but then again, there’s no guarantee the Rangers are in the hunt next year.
I’m just going to quit thinking about this.
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I think I'm right there with you.
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by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Link for the Joel Sherman comments is wrong...
Here’s the correct link:
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2009/07/halladay_update.html
Texas — To each of the executives who mentioned the Rangers, I brought up the financial peril the organization supposedly is in with owner Tom Hicks’ personal monetary problems and the organization’s recent need to borrow heavily from the Commissioners Office’s central fund to cope with day-to-day operation costs. But these executives said that whatever the financial problems, Texas is not acting like a team in such difficulties. In Matthew Purke and Tanner Scheppers, the Rangers used first-round picks last month on two of the players who were known to be seeking well over slot dollars to sign. And an AL official said, “I don’t know if any team is currently more active in signing up players in the Dominican and Venezuela than the Rangers.”
The Rangers do have Vicente Padilla, Hank Blalock, Frank Catalanotto and Marlon Byrd coming off the payroll after this season, which is about $25 million. The only two players the Rangers have signed in 2011 are Michael Young and Ian Kinsler, so Texas could probably start a Halladay extension in that season without much difficulty.
Texas also has arguably the majors’ best farm system so if the Rangers wanted to they have the young studs from which to trade. Team president Nolan Ryan has emphasized the need to return to starters who pitch deep into games, and Halladay is baseball’s No. 1 horse. He has 38 complete games since 2003, 12 more than CC Sabathia, who has the second most. Like with the Phillies, Texas plays in a homer haven and Halladay’s groundball panache would be even more welcome. And the AL West is now winnable for Texas and Halladay would accentuate those chances.
Lets trade for Halladay!!!!
What percentage would the trade be completed with Feliz and Teagarden in the deal? 75%?
Next years top 3 rotation pitchers can be
1. Halladay
2. Millwood
3. Sheets – Less pressure on him after missing a long time.
The thing I like about Allyson's trade
is we get Barajas back and we get the best catcher we’ve had on the club since Pudge back in the fold.
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by DJCahill on Jul 9, 2009 7:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Adams head might implode
Get on base or die, Salty.
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by LSJ on Jul 9, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't think there wouldn't be
endless entertainment opportunities, especially if Wash took a liking to Barajas :)
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I just want anyone not LAA to get him if he’s traded.
this was said earlier….actually the Rangers are one of the few teams that have a decent record against him…i was at the one where mench i think broke his leg and we beat him this year…so if the angels do get him i’m not to scared…do i wanna give up what we are gonna have to give up…heck no….it will come back to burn us because if we send smoak and say neftali they will haunt us for years to come…and if we cant resign halladay he will just go somewhere else in a year and a half

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