OT: Mavs Off Season/Marion details set
by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 12:55 AM CDT
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I failed to notice Miles' post was rec'd up because I just assumed it was all CPP posts. Should have known a Miles post would eventually get rec'd to the top.
1.) Everyone knows they re-upped Kidd. They tried to make his deal similar to the Stack/Damp/JET deals by partially guaranteeing the third year, but Kidd and his agent smartly used the Knicks to get the third year guaranteed as well. You can still hate the trade...that is understandable...but getting Kidd back was pretty close to a must for this team as JJ Barea is not a 30-35 minute a game PG and no one knows what Beaubois will be.
2.) They got a young center in Gortat. I am calling it official because all signs point to Orlando not matching. The Mavs made the deal too rich for the Magic to pay Dwight Howard's backup. That, and Orlando has mysteriously popped up as the 4th team in the Marion deal. There was really no need to include them as the Raps signed Turkoglu to the same deal they would have anyway. The Magic got a trade exception out of the deal...seems like it could be an under the table deal...the Magic don't match and the Mavs get them a trade exception to add a piece to their team. Centers in their 20s who are strong, athletic, solid rebounders, and solid defenders are worth what the Mavs are paying...as long as he doesn't go Diop on them. And i think his talent outdistances Diop and fits the Mavs style better.
They got hustled by a guy who now has to be considered one of the shadiest GMs in the NBA. Blame Donnie and Cubes for being dumb enough to get hustled....but believe that Otis Smith will come to know the full meaning of the word Karma.
3.) They signed Quinton Ross. Why? Because Antoine Wright and Devean George are on their way to Canada. Ross brings a lot of the same attributes as Wright and can be valuable as a wing defender with some 3 pt ability.
4.) They used the "Stack Chip" to grab a 4 time all star. Is Marion the same player he was in Phoenix? Probably not. But, he is still a guy who can defend SGs, SFs, and some PFs. He is still an athletic finisher. And he will get open looks with Dirk, Josh, and JET commanding defensive attention. Perhaps the biggest pro to getting Marion; he is the type of athletic wing that Kidd makes look better than most other PGs. Marion wasn't the same without Nash distributing to him (and Kidd before that when he burst onto the scene) but Kidd can definitely help the Matrix be reborn. The details...from multiple sources:
Dallas Basketball, complete with Fish giving props to himself (DLord is the true genius)
ESPN, with a mention Greg Buckner is headed back to Dallas
Interesting note on Buckner possibly being part of the return to Dallas; his contract (authored by the Mavs) has the same non guaranteed year(s) as Stack, Damp, and JET.
So, what does all this mean? Well, Dallas has bolstered it's interior depth and improved it's already solid rebounding. More importantly, Dallas has made moves to make themselves a better defensive team with Gortat, Marion, Ross, and even draft pick Beaubois (though he is clearly a work in progress). Dallas can now trot out this lineup:
PG: Kidd, Barea, Beaubois
SG: Howard, Terry, Buckner
SF: Marion, Ross, Carroll, Williams
PF: Dirk, Singleton, Humphries
C: Gortat, Damp, Hollins
Keep in mind Dallas will have to choose to retain Singleton and Hollins, while also making decisions on Gerald Green and Brandon Bass. The Mavs can also still use their BAE on a guy like Marquis Daniels or someone like him which would allow them to push Marion to the bench giving them JET and Matrix as the first two off the bench with Dampier getting 20 minutes a night at center. They also have several multi-position guys with Barea, Terry, Howard, Ross, and Marion. Add to that some developmental guys like Foster, Calathes, Seibutis and Nivins.
And perhaps the biggest note...while it involves some fantasy/pipe dream/blind hope...is that Dallas now has Dampier AND Buckner as huge trade chips in the fantasy summer of 2010.
For a team I thought was dead in the water, I am fairly impressed with the maneuvering Cuban and Donnie (still don't think much of him) have done for this year and beyond.
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Yeah...
We rec’d it and have been partying for the past 5 hours… feel free to drop by though.
Trade for Ian Snell.
by sprite on Jul 9, 2009 12:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well this is a much better post that gives a good overview
i think i’ll stay here
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Jul 9, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll eventually filter down here
but the party is upstairs for right now.
Trade for Ian Snell.
by sprite on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like the VIP room up there
Where do I get a wristband?
I used to shoot baskets
by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That team is 9 deep if Singleton is kept over Bass.
But if Bass could be kept, you’re looking at a deep squad.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 9, 2009 2:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...but still probably not going to go with the Lakers
or Cleveland or Boston in the East.
Still want to see them though…but I say that every season. In 07-08, I wanted to see how they would respond to one-and-out and 08-09 I wanted to see how good that supposed up-tempo system would be.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 9, 2009 4:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think as it stands now
the Mavs have improved about as much as they could without getting a max-type star this offseason.
I think alot of people get the feeling that 50 wins again and a playoff run just isn’t enough anymore — and I agree to an extent. However, I also realize the limitations they faced, and I think these moves (Gortat, Marion, and even Ross) improve them this season while keeping the Damp contract for a big move next season.
As a Mavs fan, I don’t know how you can look at the roster as it stands at the moment and think they aren’t better than last year.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MUCH better
they lacked scoring from the PG, SG and C positions last year…they now have a good scorer at SG (Josh), a reliable scorer at SF that does what we need (get to the hoop and finish, can hit 3’s), a dominant offensive force at PF and a guy that will double the production at C that Damp brought (teaming with him), all with the best facilitator in the game at PG and a very nice scoring and versatile bench
not to mention the defensive improvements of having Josh at the 2 and Marion at the 3, with Gortat’s prowess. MUCH improved
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this roster
still has more tweaking to be done. Guys like Buckner and Williams can be dealt later on (2 months from now, in Buck’s case) to a role player that fits. I am cautiously optimistic that Humphries can come in and fill the roll that Bass filled. Once Gortat is official, I will feel pretty damn good about this offseason so far.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Jul 9, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
db.com speculates that the Mavs aren’t done. I think it’s obvious that Buckner isn’t in their plans and will be dealt once he is eligible. It will be interesting to see what they can come up with.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at Hump's stats
Way too many jumpers, and almost no finishes (dunks).
by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger's take on the deal
I won’t paste the whole thing, but this is his main point…
That said, this could all go to hell amazingly fast. On opening day, Kidd will be 36, Dampier 34, Terry 32, Nowitzki 31 and Marion 30; Howard also turns 30 in April. Of their top seven players, only Gortat, 25, could be described as in his prime, but he has the opposite problem: He’s so untested that there’s still some uncertainty surrounding how he’ll perform as a 30-minute starter.
On the other hand, based on last season’s performance, this team looks like a real danger to the West’s elite. Dallas boasts eight players who had a PER above the league average last season — nine if Bass re-signs — and one of them is a genuine star in Nowitzki.
In a Western Conference in which several of the contenders appear to be shrinking rather than rising, the Mavs are trying to seize the opening for a credible rival to the Lakers to emerge. Thanks to Mark Cuban’s willingness to spend freely on a winner, they might have done it. However, Dallas will once again pay far above the luxury tax, and if the age bug strikes, Cuban’s dollars might buy a shockingly average team.
He also says that he thinks Humphries is an “underrated and productive player” who will replace Bass as the scoring backup big man. I dunno, we’ll see…
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The age thing
Is largely overblown, I think.
When Boston won, it was a bunch of 30+ guys and young kids, which is pretty similar to Dallas (albeit the young guys there were largely better).
by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree
The spurs have been considered old for the past 4-5 years it seems. The window is likely short anyway — age won’t matter too much.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Lakers, too, really.
Win it while you can.
by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
concur
age isn’t our problem yet. Kidd is the only real concern I think, now that Damp has two very decent backups…and really, Barea and Terry can take the point in emergency. This roster has enormous flexibility, even if Josh goes down now. But they will need to find out who can come in and back up the SF spot if Marion and Howard are both sitting…maybe Singleton if he comes back?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
So Terry, Nowitzki and Howard aren’t in their prime? Based on what stats exactly? Years on Planet?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 9, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hollinger is very much in the camp
that NBA players primes end after their 20’s.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
If the only criteria is age, then being “in your prime” is a meaningless designation without consideration of other factors, especially when you’re talking about specific players rather than NBA players in general.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jul 9, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Humphries do you actually like?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Thoughts
1. I hate the argument I have heard on talk radio saying “well your still not on level with the lakers”. No move makes them on level unless your adding a top 10 player to this team (maybe the DUST chip next year). However, you still need to improve your team (which they have done) and hope for the best. Did anyone think Orlando would be in the finals at the start of the year?
2.The “getting old argument”. Most NBA finals are not won with young players….it is won with a combination of vetran leadership and young talent. If we are too old to win, so are the Spurs.
3.Howard is not a 2 guard. Yes he will play more minutes there next year, but its not like he will play the entire game there. He will most likely get A. Wrights minutes at the 2, because J.Terry will get the majority of minutes.
Overall, I think the Mavs have done a great job of adding a two very helpful players while losing nothing of value (with Bass being the one possible noteworthy loss). Defense is always an issue with the Mavs, and they have really improved. Marion can man-up on the Carmelo types that always give the Mavs fits….plus we have to be considered the best rebounding team now after we just added to of the better rebounders in the league to go along with what we already have.
You have to give Cuban and Donnie some credit for structuring these deals to get around the cap….who needs cap space in 2010? We don’t.
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this.
Plus, the Lakers aren’t that outstanding. The best team, sure, but this ain’t the Shaq-Kobe Lakers we’re talking about. They can still be beaten by San Antonio, Denver, and now hopefully Dallas.
by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if Bynum is healthy and playing at a high level
That’s the scary part to me, that they won with Bynum on the bench most of the time.
by tyd3311 on Jul 9, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bynum
I guess I don’t believe that he will suddenly become a superstar.
I think he’s going to continue to be a 15 and 10 guy with injuries and bonehead moments. Now, believe me, that’s nothing to laugh at, but I won’t crown the Lakers next year because of Bynum.
by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wanna crown em?
Crown their ass!
I used to shoot baskets
by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mm, another excuse to post this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 9, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that video
I used to shoot baskets
by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 9, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EPICALLY AWESOME
"Ho visto il tuo agire, non solo rendono per me. Basta un sacco di fluff".
by scoop16 on Jul 9, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of my favorite songs ever.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Bynum is ok. He’s shown brief flashes but I’ve never been that impressed with him.
Plus, San Antonio is going to be good next year. Real good. Jefferson is the perfect fit for them. And if Blair’s knees aren’t a disaster….scary
"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs
by BAC on Jul 9, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that they got McDyess, I'm starting to respect them a bit more...
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cause we beat them like they weren't even there
remember that?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 10, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks disgruntled though.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 9, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Kobe and Bynum have had injury issues recently
it’s not like they’re totally insusceptible to injury. Kobe goes down, and bam, they’re arguably not even a top 4 team.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait... Who would argue they're a top 4 team sans Kobe?
That’s silly.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?
by thedirkatron on Jul 13, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those Shaq-Kobe Lakers
even were vulnerable at times. See 2002 WCF, against the Spurs, and even the Mavs gave them a push with minimal interior D.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 9, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando and the trade exception?
Can that be moved for Bass? Obviously they wouldn’t give him $7 million, and I’m not sure how a trade exception works in a Bass scenario. But, could that be the reason Dallas invited Orlando to the party (aside from a possible gentleman’s agreement on Gortat)? They get Bass and retain their MLE for someone else…and the Mavs get ANOTHER chip to help remake this roster.
I used to shoot baskets
by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bass and an expiring Shawne Williams for the Trade Exception?
Then move the trade exception and something (cash, picks, Green, Singleton, or Hollins) to a cash strapped team for something?
I used to shoot baskets
by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that exact same thing
but who’s out there worth our exception to come in and back up at SF?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 9, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't given it too much thought
because I have no idea how a trade exception works and if you can actually trade for Orlando’s exception after they traded for it.
But, a guy I would love to get would be Josh Childress.
I used to shoot baskets
by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That guy is underrated.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 10, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh hell yeah
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jul 10, 2009 4:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade exception
I believe a trade exception works as money filler in a trade. Because in the NBA the salaries of traded parties have to be within a certain percentage to complete a deal the trade exception can fill that gap. For instance if the Mavs wanted to trade a guy making 1 million to say the Clippers for a guy making 8 million it couldn’t be done without adding more salary. But with a trade exception the salaries match up and the trade can go through. A 7 million dollar exception is huge.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jul 10, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
buckner will get waived
The dance of the puppets
The rusted chains of prison moons
Are shattered by the sun.
I walk a road, horizons change
The tournaments begun.
by gossamer on Jul 9, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they targeted Buckner as a trade chip
Essentially allowing them to say they traded the Stack Chip, George and Wright for Marion, Humphries and another (albeit smaller) Stack Chip.
I used to shoot baskets
by SaltyDawg on Jul 9, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually Buckner has a deal just like Stackhouse.
His deal can be voided up until November….so they could get something for free again.
by death of the cool on Jul 9, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
i hadn’t realized how valuable Damp is right now. that’s pretty amazing…
usa
by Longhorn on Jul 9, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok so the deal has been finalized
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4316885
Under the sign-and-trade deal, the Orlando Magic traded Hedo Turkoglu to the Toronto Raptors. The Raptors sent Marion, Kris Humphries, Nathan Jawai and cash considerations to Dallas, while also sending a future second round draft pick to the Memphis Grizzlies.
The Mavericks in turn shipped Jerry Stackhouse and cash considerations to the Grizzlies and Devean George and Antoine Wright to Toronto, while the Grizzlies dealt Greg Buckner to Dallas.
The inclusion of Jawai to the Mavericks was a new wrinkle in the deal. In an earlier version, the Raptors were to send Quincy Douby to the Grizzlies instead.
So, the Mavs get Marion, Humphries, Buckner, and Jawai for Stackhouse, Wright, George, and some cash.
Buckner will be traded and Jawai will be waived I bet
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and we get some cash as well.
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
by chrisR on Jul 9, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think that cash probably got funneled to Memphis
But yeah there’s some cash in there maybe
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 9, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jawai is a very big body, always nice as a throw in.
by tyd3311 on Jul 9, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
He despised the D-League.
by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should try being a better basketball player
by tyd3311 on Jul 9, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had heart problems.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 9, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wizards have a glut at PG/SG/SF, they have to make a move
Arenas, Crittenton, Foye, Young, Miller, Butler, Stevenson. I would love to add one.
by tyd3311 on Jul 9, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Conley, Iverson, Mayo, Gay, Randolph, Gasol, Arthur
Not a bad top 7 for the Griz if they sign Iverson. Definitely an interesting group.
by tyd3311 on Jul 9, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it.
Iverson and Mayo demand the ball to be worth anything. Randolph is a dumb player.
It seems so desperate. They have the pieces to actually do it the OKC (i.e. smart) way.
by brettgardner on Jul 9, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 10, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit
May be looking to trade Afflalo.
I’d listen.
by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if there is much difference between he and Quinten Ross.
I’m thinking the Ross signing is gonna end up as one of the better bargains of this offseason.
by tyd3311 on Jul 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
If for no other reason than the fact that he will basically be a slightly improved Wright for next to nothing.
by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Lofton
Playing overseas right now but, I want that guy.
Trade for Ian Snell.
by sprite on Jul 10, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry to see him go
but good for him
The dance of the puppets
The rusted chains of prison moons
Are shattered by the sun.
I walk a road, horizons change
The tournaments begun.
by gossamer on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too bad
For a starter on a championship-caliber team.
I also think Ryan Anderson has been doing pretty well—better than I thought he’d do, for sure.
by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, that was a nice throw in for Orlando.
Good player to have when you have a Dwight Howard
by tyd3311 on Jul 10, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still
I’d say 4/18 a little expensive.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 10, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, for Bass
I’m talking about Ryan Anderson, though.
by tyd3311 on Jul 10, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was talking about Bass
but I agree, a pretty good move to get Ryan Anderson.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 10, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was hoping we could figure a way to work a S&T at least
It really makes sense though for Gortat and Bass to swap places. Gortat was backing up Orlando’s best player and Bass was backing up Dallas’ best player. Now, those guys can get their minutes, and the teams fill areas of need.
Oh, and BYC trade rules are stupid
I used to shoot baskets
by SaltyDawg on Jul 10, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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ESPN’s Mark Stein and Chad Ford are reporting that the potential trade they reported Thursday (Carlos Boozer to Chicago, Kirk Hinrich to Portland, Tyrus Thomas to Utah), a report that was disputed by Bulls.com’s Sam Smith, is still alive and that Jerryd Bayless’ name has been added to the discussions.
Whether or not this deal has actually been discussed by the teams is a controversial topic among league insiders, and the only additional news presented in this report is that the Bulls would want point guard Jerryd Bayless thrown in the deal. Owners evaluating these players should be taking a wait and see approach at this time.
Source: ESPN.com
via rotoworld.com
I want Bayless so bad.
by tyd3311 on Jul 10, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Any way on earth
we could get him? Portland’s extremely savvy, and Mills is out for the summer.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 10, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland is going to have to move some of these guys
over the next few years. That team is going to get awfully expensive awfully fast. Guys like Bayless, Fernandez, Batum, Outlaw, and Webster could all become available as the Blazers retain Roy, Aldridge, and Oden. They have already moved Sergio Rodriguez.
This is their summer to splurge because they have to start handing out checks next year. They look to be targeting SF (Turkoglu) and PG (Hinrich) as they have SG, PF, and C locked down.
You might could snag Bayless+ one of their swingmen if they valued Howard or Marion, but I’m not sure they would want either one.
The guy I think the Mavs could get on the cheap if they wanted to deal with Portland is Martell Webster. He is behind Roy, Fernandez, Batum, and Outlaw in the pecking order. Not sure what it would take, but he could be a nice starting SG for the Mavs…making Marion and Terry the best 6th and 7th men in the league. Webster only played 5 minutes last year…but has range and athleticism. And, he is Jason Terry’s cousin.
"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks
by SaltyDawg on Jul 10, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They locked up Webster last year right before the season at 4 for 20.
And then he missed all of last year. So, while not cheap, you can buy low on him.
by tyd3311 on Jul 10, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm
Willing to wait on Beaubois.
Also, why does Chicago want Bayless? Just a trade piece?
by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
You could play him and Rose side by side and have a really nice backcourt, though.
by tyd3311 on Jul 10, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
82games says Bayless was inefficient at 2, though obviously in limited minutes.
Chicago needs a 2 as much as we do. Why not get Fernandez?
by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Magic GM played coy when discussing the future of Marcin Gortat, who signed an offer sheet with the Mavericks on Wednesday, which the Magic are not expected to match.
Smith said Brandon Bass’ signing on Friday didn’t necessarily mean that Gortat’s offer would not be matched, and that he was “still working on a few things.” It would be very surprising to see Gortat in a Magic uniform next year, but it sounds like Smith may be trying to concoct a transaction involving Gortat while he has time.Source: Orlando Sentinel
by tyd3311 on Jul 10, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is bluffing
They aren’t gonna match. It’s too much to pay for 15 minute a game backup. If Smith really is “playing coy” it’s because he wants to see if he can grab something of value from Dallas. So much for a gentleman’s agreement.
The only thing Smith could really do is S&T Gortat somewhere else (Houston, SA) but I don’t know if he can be S&T’d anywhere else since he has already signed the Mavs offer sheet.
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by SaltyDawg on Jul 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I think he is trying to swindle Barea out of us.
by tyd3311 on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't surprise me at all with Alston gone
I’m sure Donnie and co. have a good read on this though.
"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks
by SaltyDawg on Jul 10, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
Gortat thinks Orlando is going to match.
by brettgardner on Jul 10, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's gotta be posturing.
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by Chase Irwin on Jul 10, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they want to pay both Bass and Gortat
I doubt their owner wants to pay that extra luxury tax it would take to sign Gortat.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 10, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCants
Working out for Dallas today.
I’m interested.
by brettgardner on Jul 11, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, why not?
He’s a scorer who will probably find better success surrounded by better players.
by tyd3311 on Jul 11, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmmm
On a day when the Mavs inked future Hall of Famer Jason Kidd to a three-year deal, the best point guard in Las Vegas was Dallas rookie Roddy Beaubois. He dazzled, scoring 34 points on 12-21 shooting from the field (7-12 from 3-point range), recorded eight assists against only two turnovers. Dallas head coach Rick Carlisle: “He brings us a different dimension. We don’t have this kind of angular speed, or supreme-type athlete at the point guard position right now. So he gives us a different look.” Carlisle was cautious in his praise. It’s only Beaubois’ second NBA game, and he still has to learn how to play an NBA brand of defense. “When you come from a mid-league in Europe to the NBA, you have to ratchet up your level of awareness.”
by tyd3311 on Jul 12, 2009 1:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where's the excitment?
I’m officially very excited about this guy. I thought he was white. That’s not racist.
by tyd3311 on Jul 12, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 consecutive Tweets from David Thorpe yesterday
# Beaubois with 10 and 4 with 2 to play in 1st half.
# Nivens is scoring some, but rebounding helps him make the team.
# I can’t take my eyes of Beaubois.
Nivins was one of our 2nd rd. picks.
by tyd3311 on Jul 12, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
some other tweets from Thorpe
# Beaubois sees things.
# Ahmad Nivins was the best Mavs player yesterday. He spent a week in our gym for pre-draft. Very talented athlete.
# First time seeing Beaubois. Very quick guy.
by tyd3311 on Jul 12, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His scouting video someone linked to after the draft was pretty nuts.
Obviously it was a highlight video and anyone can look with enough creative editing, but you can’t fabricate the kind of elite level quickness he showed.
I’m guessing he’s really raw, but oh dear lord he’s fast, and his jumper looked quick and accurate with surprisingly good form, though all I saw were his makes, obviously.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Jul 13, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that video was crazy
and he’s supposed to be much more advanced defensively.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 13, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well so far he's had one really terrible game and one good game
but still very promising
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Jul 13, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Detroit trades Afflalo and Sharpe to Denver for a future second.
A future second?
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm okay with it, though.
I’d probably rather have McCants.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better scorer, I guess.
If McCants turned into Eddie House, I guess that’d be a win.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I’m reading that Miami wants Boozer. Would they give up Beasley to get him?
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they can sign him to an extension, it's a no brainer, to me.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If so
Beasley/Blount for Boozer works. Blount gives Utah cap space; Beasley’s a guy with disgusting amounts of potential left even though I know you’re down on him.
That’d be interesting. AK47 would then be completely expendable, but it would give them some cushion if they couldn’t find the perfect deal just yet. Utah’s got some nice pieces.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody else get a chuckle out of Psycho T's summer league performance?
Whether he makes it or not, the hubbub over his NBA readiness has reached comical proportions.
Marreesse Speights (sp?) was mushing him, according to the report I read.
Russell Westbrook .. look out, league.
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- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 13, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh yeah I saw that.
I don’t think he’ll do much, but then, I didn’t think either of the Lopez brother would do anything either. Predicting big man success seems to be a real shot in the dark. And as you said, the ridiculously serious nature of these “Will he/won’t he” discussions is just comical.
Frankly, I just dug the column I read a week or so ago about the “big white elephant in the room” that Larry Bird was stocking his roster with a lot of white guys.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that's even funnier.
Bird must be carrying around a couple hundred years of guilt, as well, right?
Oh, dear.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 13, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brook sold me in the tourney
Psycho T will be a nice role player. I love Speights, though, very high on him.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando paper is reporting Magic will match the Mavs' offer to Gortat
An NBA source has told the Orlando Sentinel that the Orlando Magic will match the five-year, $34-million offer sheet extended by the Dallas Mavericks to Marcin Gortat and thus retain him. The team would not be able to trade him until Dec. 15, at the earliest, if that’s what the team wants to do.
I hate restricted free agents.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 13, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just saw.
Unfortunate, if true. I don’t think it makes business sense, but apparently they disagree.
Would this reopen Okafor talk?
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm expecting some kind of sign-and-trade
With Barea and Buckner, maybe, going to Orlando. ESPN’s trade machine doesn’t have a restriction on Buckner, I’m not sure if that’s accurate or not.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
They can’t trade Gortat to Dallas for a year, because they have to match first.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did the Joe Johnson deal work, then?
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he sign an offer sheet?
If so, then I dunno. I don’t claim to have the best understanding of the CBA.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man.
NO and NY would do backflips, I’d imagine.
It’s not horrible, because I could honestly see either happening, but it doesn’t make me feel the same as Gortat, though I think we could protect Chandler enough to keep him healthy.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what Charlottes motives are.
If they are trying to win right now, they probably say no, but if they’re hoping to land one of the big cats in FA next year, then they’d have to be interested.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did
Get surprisingly close last year. Probably right—with LB I doubt they’re looking to break it down completely.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and
DB speculates on this, saying that in order for a S&T, Dallas would have to withdraw the offer sheet.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy decision
I barely understand the NBA cap. But I guess this boils down to…
-keep him, and he’s your very overpaid backup to a young, capable-of-huge-minutes, superstar center.
-trade him, because you already know the new contract won’t be too far overmarket, and you’ve identified a package of same-priced personnel on an interested team (hypothetically Houston) (if the prognosis on Yao is pessimistic).
Surprising decision from Orlando.
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by hightowersmith on Jul 13, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An annoying one, at least.
They’ll probably get Battier, which will make their roster disgustingly good.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As if it isn't, already.
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- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 13, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Now it’s only sickeningly good. “Disgustingly” puts them over the top. I don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t be viewed as the #1 team in the NBA right now.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LA and...CLE?
They’re miles above Cleveland to me, and top to bottom much better than the Lakers right now. Obviously, the chemistry aspect could cause them to not live up to their roster talent, but the only thing they’re really lacking right now is a backup PG not named Anthony Johnson.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Maybe, and I think the East is going to be fun this year.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston...
now I’m a Celtics homer, but if that team stays healthy they will be disgustingly good.
PG – Rondo / ?
SG – Allen / House
SF – Pierce / ?
PF – KG / Big Baby
C – Perkins / ’Sheed
I think they still need to find a way to bring Leon Powe back and get a backup PG, but that is a damn fine team. Gotta stay healthy though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 13, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't sure yet...
at least that’s the last I heard. Although I haven’t followed things very closely for about a month. I know a big reason why they let him go FA was due to the injury. Not sure how much time he may miss though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 13, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Baby is guaranteed to be back, either.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
not sure how I missed that.
I’d be surprise if Boston let him go. Depends on what kinds of offers he gets though. They really need him back.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 13, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Sheed, if they can bring Powe back healthy
then they’ll be okay.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh thank god you are around to set us straight
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 14, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just an opinion. When you give an opinion, are you “setting us straight”?
Barring a key injury, the Spurs will win it.
by 4Him on Jul 14, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You like the Lakers in the West. I think there’s going to be some serious ego-clashing in LA now that Artest is there – I don’t see it ending well for the Lakers. The Spurs have improved far more than any of the other contenders.
by 4Him on Jul 14, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jefferson is an improvement
But I hope you’re not counting on too much from Dice or Blair.
by brettgardner on Jul 14, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not smart.
Dice is an improvement over what they had, I guess, but a hobbled jump-shooting rebounder isn’t anything to make me think San Antonio is closer to a title.
Blair is young, fat, and short. I highly doubt he’ll make an impact on this year’s team.
But as I said, Jefferson is a very nice improvement, but he’s not a superstar. He puts SA in the conversation, but there’s no reason to call them the favorites at all, except homerism.
by brettgardner on Jul 14, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dice is a huge upgrade over Kurt Thomas and brings a lot to the table. He was one of the top per-minute rebounders in the NBA last season. He’s a strong defender. He can still consistently hit the mid-range jumper. People like to talk about Sheed, but Dice’s PER of 16.63 in ‘08-’09 was much better than ’Sheed’s 14.91. He also rebounded far better, shot better from the field and even had a better assist rate.
Blair is a rebound machine. He led college basketball in rebounds per 40 mins, offensive rebounds per 40 mins and even PER. Pretty good for what you call a fat man (and he actually lost a lot of weight before he was drafted). He is also very hungry after so many teams passed on him. He’s going to be able to help immediately.
The bench will be much stronger now. Ian Mahinmi is another big man who was injured last year but brings some good stuff (including shot-blocking, though he does seem to be foul prone). George Hill is a solid backup for TP and looks like he’ll be even better in his second year.
Yes, I’m a homer, but there is every reason to be very optimistic about this team. It’s now a very deep team with the type of players that will allow them to be very flexible and play in a lot of different ways. In short, the Spurs are stacked. You will soon see.
by 4Him on Jul 15, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PER is a dumb stat.
But whatever, have your homerism. It’s not as if I’m saying that San Antonio sucks.
Objectively, though, I’d feel a little scared that Dallas (a not very good team) destroyed me, with or without Ginobili. Does having Jefferson win that Dallas series? Doubt it.
Be optimistic, but I’d encourage you to be more realistic. Neither Dallas nor San Antonio should be considered favorites. Unquestionably playoff teams with a chance, but LA and Denver have improved, too. San Antonio and Dallas should be considered in the 3-6 range in the West—doesn’t really matter the order.
No confidence in Houston. Portland has done nothing. Utah might do some leapfrogging when they unload Boozer, but I’ll reserve judgment until then. Hornets, OKC, and possibly LAC compete for the last slot.
by brettgardner on Jul 15, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was of course without Ginobili – it would have been a very different series with him. So now you can add Manu, Jefferson, Dice and Blair. Mavs changes? So far they’ve added yet another SF in Marion and lost Brandon Bass. I’ll give you that they are now smaller. And of course older.
The Lakers and Nuggets haven’t improved. And Odom still might leave LA.
by 4Him on Jul 15, 2009 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Well I guess the plus is I don’t really care too much about what you think.
by brettgardner on Jul 15, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then I guess you shouldn’t bother replying to me. I do appreciate that at least you were civil this time around.
by 4Him on Jul 15, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are most likely not finished yet in re-working the roster.
by 4Him on Jul 14, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, your opinion is the only one that matters
Praise god.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 14, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This made me laugh.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jul 14, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get lost.
"We're One Nation Under a Groove"
- Ayjayem
by Chase Irwin on Jul 14, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this how you treat people in real life?
by 4Him on Jul 14, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have them 3rd as of right now, I think.
by tyd3311 on Jul 14, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Behind LA and Denver?\
Think that’s pretty much fair right now.
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 14, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overall, I mean
Behind LA and Boston. I probably have them, fully healthy, slightly ahead of Denver, right now.
by tyd3311 on Jul 15, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have this incredible love-hate relationship
with the NBA. I get incredibly pissed-off when the Mavs lose, I get incredibly pissed-off by the star treatment and horrible officiating, yet every offseason I’m just waiting, waiting for the damn season to just start, even if the Mavs have no chance of winning the championship.
For me, I’m thinking: LA, Boston, Denver, Cleveland, San Antonio, Orlando all go above Dallas. Probably Portland too, depending on what they do the rest of the summer (Millsap? I think other moves may be coming). I want to see what Donnie does about scraping up some parts for the Mavs (Diogu? Powe? Does the Odom/Redd/Camby talk amount to anything?)
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
by jonthefon on Jul 15, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mavsblog poster...
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 13, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Suggested recalling “MFFL” t shirts for “FML” t shirts.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 13, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I don't understand
Is the rash of “Donnie got played like a fiddle” bits.
When you sign a restricted free agent, this can certainly happen. That’s why most people don’t do it. And if it’s that Bass left, well, that money is too much even without Gortat.
I’ll reserve my “Donnie/Cuban got their asses kicked” talk until I see the Plan B.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the reason people are saying Donnie got played
has nothing to do with the fact that a RFA the Mavs signed got matched. Like you say…that’s a risk you take when you go after a RFA.
It’s that the Mavs gave up two assets they didn’t have to in the Marion deal to get Orlando into the deal. And they made no attempt to do anything with Bass…knowing he has some value on the open market and knowing Orlando was hot for him.
All of it reeks of a back alley handshake between Donnie and Otis Smith. And Smith just gave a big “F You!” to Donnie and Cuban.
I wouldn’t say Donnnie got played…or really put any blame of him and Cuban. They targeted their guy, got their guy, then went out of their way to make sure they could keep their guy. They just didn’t know they were dealing with a snake. A shady ass snake.
"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks
by SaltyDawg on Jul 13, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe that.
First of all, Wright and George weren’t valuable assets. About 3 million combined. And I don’t see what it has to do with Orlando.
I seriously doubt there was any kind of wink wink agreement between Dallas and Orlando. Seriously, seriously doubt it. It seems cost prohibitive and useless here, because Orlando wouldn’t benefit at all from such a deal. Dallas wasn’t going to give Bass what Orlando did, I don’t believe.
It’s just shitty circumstances, but it’s business, and you can’t get too mad at Orlando.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
That “wink wink” wasn’t supposed to be bolded….
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
1.) Wright and George are absolutely valuable assets (expiring deals) when you are trying to match contracts in a trade. Put together 2,3, or 4 of those guys and you can get a good player who is making more than his team wants to pay him. You can definitely use assets like that to bolster your bench.
2.) What those 2 have to do with Orlando is that bringing Orlando into that deal brought more money into it with Turkoglu’s deal and the TPE. Bringing Orlando into it is the reason Buckner came into the deal and the reason both Wright and George were added. Now, the Mavs did a good job because they got another valuable contract back in Buckner…but they do have to wait to deal him in combo with other guys…so they kind of handcuffed themselves for that period.
3.) Orlando wouldn’t benefit? They get a TPE for a guy they were going to lose outright. And, Bass has much less to do with it…but, the Mavs made no efforts to shop him around or re-sign him. I agree he got overpaid. And agree the Mavs didn’t want in at that price.
Their may not have been an outright “wink-wink” agreement. But the Mavs greased the wheels for the Magic and were clearly led to believe the Magic wouldn’t match. Donnie spoke of Marcin as if he was already here. Marcin and his agent spoke as if he was already here.
And you don’t have to think there was a under the table deal here to see pretty clearly that Otis Smith has distinguished himself as a fairly shady operator. Also, if it doesn’t hurt him around NBA front offices…it will hurt him among players.
This move screws Brandon Bass…eats up minutes he thought were there when he signed.
This move screws Marcin Gortat…sticks him back behind a top 5 player and stunts his development.
Oh, I almost forgot. This move spits in the face of Hedo Turkoglu. He was their X factor in their finals run…but poor Otis couldn’t rustle up the money to pay him. And now he has found some change in the sofa to give Bass $18 million and Gortat $34 million.
“Come to Orlando…help us get to the NBA finals…and see if we give a rat’s ass”
"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks
by SaltyDawg on Jul 13, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I don’t see how it really hurts Bass all that much, except when they go small.
I think Gortat and Dallas are pissed, but I just don’t see how it affects anybody else. If players can’t understand that this is a business, then that’s on them.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pissed...therefor I am irrational
and you’re bringing me down man. But, I still think the Mavs were doing their best to sweet talk the Magic.
Brandon Bass is independent of that…true. This does affect Bass’ playing time though because there are no minutes behind Howard now and you have to think the Magic may go twin towers some with the money they are giving Gortat…and they can still go small ball which played so well in the playoffs with Nelson, Pietrus, Carter, Lewis, Howard. So Brandon lost some minutes today…not to mention Ryan Anderson could very well outplay him…but that has nothing to do with any of this.
And Buckner, if they don’t waive him, does give the Mavs the same contract piece they lost with Wright and George…they just have to sit on it for a little while.
But now back to irrational!!! Just read something I never would have realized on my own. Because the Mavs were tied up with Marcin…they used the Stack chip on Marion. Theoretically…using 20/20 hindsight…they could have wooed Marion with the MLE and used the Stack chip to shore up the center spot.
I HATE OTIS SMITH AND THE FREE SPENDING MAGIC!!
Now let me be pissed and quit bringing logic into this.
"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks
by SaltyDawg on Jul 13, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Otis Smith is now a marked man
-There was NO reason for Orlando to be brought into the Shawn Marion trade, allowing them to recoup something for losing Turkoglu…and yet the Mavs brought them in…and it cost Dallas 2 expiring contracts (George, Wright).
-Dallas made NO effort to sign Bass, or work out a S&T to get him elsewhere.
Those two things were Donnie and Cubes whispering sweet nothings to Orlando. And Orlando was happy to take them. But Otis got greedy. And now he will be considered a slime ball once the details make the NBA front office rounds. A snake who can’t be trusted. As he should be.
It is a great move for them (save financially) because they are retaining an asset for future trade/insurance on their best player. And if it was simply a RFA the Mavs signed getting matched that would be one thing. But this is something different all together. And I won’t be at all surprised if Smith takes his double crossing to the next level by shipping Gortat to Houston or maybe SA at some point.
Oh….and on top of all that, the Magic just screwed Marcin as well.
"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks
by SaltyDawg on Jul 13, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude
George and Wright had nothing to do with Orlando being involved.
Beyond that…can’t say I disagree much.
by jthig32 on Jul 13, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in a state of shock yesterday
Orlando was in the deal so Toronto could still have some money to spend. Still, the Mavs agreed to let them in when they should have been playing from the driver’s seat and letting them in has helped here
"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks
by SaltyDawg on Jul 14, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Badass.
Now Beaubois has to be carried off the court.
Cool!
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Any updates?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
by AirJordan on Jul 13, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knee injury.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
by AirJordan on Jul 13, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Gortat news shit my day.
Fuck Otis Smith. He’s probably going to trade him for a good bounty to Hou or something and really, it’s a genius GM move but still Fuck him.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
by AirJordan on Jul 13, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
There’s really nothing in Houston for him except Battier. Does that still make you angry?
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less what he gets for him.
He’s not going to be a Mav which makes Otis Smith an asshole for matching.
The Mavs are basically out on Gortat now right? They can’t offer more or anythin, just a trade if they really want him?
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
by AirJordan on Jul 13, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
I’m reserving too much judgment right now because, although I was happy for what I considered an upgrade over Damp, if this nets us an Okafor or Chandler+ and perhaps a pick/young guy AND clearing up roster crap, then I’ll actually be happier than I was yesterday.
However, as of this moment, we are worse than we were before this news broke.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man that's a name I love.
Would they consider it if we took salary back? I know there’s really no chance, though.
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't match up well.
Only salary you could really take is Kaman, and if you get Kaman you don’t get DeAndre.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boo this plan.
Don’t think DeAndre will be that good. As i calm down and think about it, I get even more pissed. Gortat could probably=Kaman at a younger/cheaper price.. Gortat>Chandler. I’d take Okafor over Gortat though. Donnie and Carlisle sounded so confident, already talking about him like he was signed. Oops.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
by AirJordan on Jul 13, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeAndre is gonna be a player in this league.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see. I was expecting bust out of college
and he already exceeded my expectations last year. You may be right.
I’m a white boy who doesn’t think a black man is good enough to manage my baseball team.-Lonestarjon
by AirJordan on Jul 13, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
I “fixed” it (i.e. made it so ridiculous that everybody involved would laugh).
by brettgardner on Jul 14, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another
It’d give Portland a spark to their offense, LA a serviceable point and lots of cap, and Dallas a strong C and a toolsy guy with length and upside. Portland probably doesn’t do it.
by brettgardner on Jul 14, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland
I don’t think Pritchard will infect his roster with a personality like Baron. I hear him talking about being very ‘selective’ in choosing who they target. Which is why I understand them not going after Odom when a lot of people are wondering why the heck not.
by tyd3311 on Jul 14, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
You could give Damp and take back Davis, then buy him out for the same price you were going to pay Gortat, and pretend like you just signed a different young center to the MLE.
…right???
by brettgardner on Jul 13, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
I thought they couldn’t trade Gortat for a while since they matched the offer from the Mavs.
by GregoryM on Jul 14, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they can't trade him for 6 months to any team but the mavs
and they can’t trade him to the mavs for 12 months. Something like that.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 14, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right.
But apparantly, if they haven’t officially matched it, we can rescind the offer, then work out a deal.
by tyd3311 on Jul 14, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some more Thorpe tweets
#Helped off court. Right to locker roon.
#Left knee issue.
#Beaubois down.
#Beaubois is both quick and crafty.
#Nivins is everywhere.
#Beaubois reminds people of Tony Parker. He just airballed a 10 foot jumper. Even so, I’m not ready to say that yet. But he’s lightning.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Per Cuban
No official paperwork yet, we will see.
by tyd3311 on Jul 13, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where was that?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 14, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interview he did with NBAtv from the Summer League
by tyd3311 on Jul 14, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LINK
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jul 14, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same interview he mentions Odom in
Nice player…weird fit. Probably just a mention though.
Is Otis Smith cocky enough to just be hardballing the Mavs at a $34 million risk to the Magic? I don’t think so. But if he is, I hope Dallas calls his bluff.
"I tend to like young Latinos" -Jason Parks
by SaltyDawg on Jul 14, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could still happen, I guess.
I’m not sure if Barea and Williams is enough money-wise, but I’d imagine Orlando would be fine with that return.
by brettgardner on Jul 14, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/07/espncom-magic-won-poker-game-with-maveri.html
The Magic almost certainly knew on July 1 whether they were matching this deal; they just didn’t let everyone else in on the secret until today.
In fact, it’s quite likely they sprinkled some leaks indicating that they wouldn’t match; surely it was believable given their status as a luxury-tax team in an old arena in a small market. Why pay so much more for a secondary piece?
What advantage did Orlando gain by letting Gortat go through the restricted free agency process? Did they have no way of re-signing the player to a cheaper deal ahead of time?
It seems overly complicated – and very expensive – For Otis Smith to let the Mavericks court Gortat…if he knew they’d just re-sign him at whatever price.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 14, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
They wanted to use that as a life-preserver if they didn’t get a PF in free agency themselves; thus, if all else fails, they could either shoehorn Gortat into the 4 spot or use him as a ST chip. As it is, they got their 4 and established the market for Gortat, which will give them at least some leverage in a trade.
by brettgardner on Jul 14, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.
Hawks restricted free agent Josh Childress has decided to return to Greece next season, rather than opting out of his contract and returning to the NBA.
“I definitely have unfinished business in Greece,” Childress said. His representatives explored numerous sign-and-trade scenarios, but the Hawks wouldn’t agree to any of them. He will have the option to return to the NBA again next summer.
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution
via rotoworld.com
by tyd3311 on Jul 14, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Too bad. He would be a good fit here.
by brettgardner on Jul 14, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I definitely have unfinished business in Greece,"
Sounds like a weird porn premise, or maybe James Bond.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Jul 14, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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