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Joey Matschulat's take on the Narron Contradiction

Beyond the questionable timing involved with the Saturday publication of a lascivious series of photographs portraying Josh Hamilton in a less than favorable light, there is one more outstanding issue that, in my mind, still merits attention -- the Johnny Narron angle. Less than 24 hours before the story erupted onto the national media scene and the Rangers hastily organized an early-afternoon press conference, Narron, the Texas Rangers' second-year special assignment coach and aptly described "baseball mentor, personal confidant and chaperone" to Hamilton, dismissed the photographs' validity while telling Deadspin.com that he "[didn't] put a lot of credence in someone saying they have photographs of Josh in a bar" and indicating that Hamilton had not, to his knowledge, suffered any sort of lapse in his sobriety: "I'm sure, in the depths of his drug addiction, he was in a lot of bars," Narron goes on, suggesting that the photos predate Hamilton's recovery or perhaps were doctored. "He was in and out of bars, crackhouses, everything. There are probably photographs of him in all kinds of places."
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stick to baseball, i like BBTiA alot, but stick to the on field analysis

its a pretty good take, but i’ve grown to really enjoy your blog b/c of the great in depth analysis of on the field stuff, i dont need to read another Josh Hamilton take.

The one thing i’ll say about it is, Narron is gonna let Hamilton fess up to it so that he appears to be totally honest and upfront about everthing instead of just having to acknowledge the obvious truth if Narron breaks it first

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 10, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yep

nothing is no annoying than to have some marginal poster telling a blogster how to run their own blog. There’s essentially zero barriers to entry to starting your own blog if you have some great idea on how to do it.

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by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand this comment

and many of the vitriolic comments over there. Why on earth would someone covering the Rangers on a daily basis not address this? It’s funny that after telling Joey not to talk about it you add a comment on the topic.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the sanctimony was surprisingly deep over there

Pretty odd.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

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by Brian Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

everyone deals with this stuff differently

and some people prefer to sweep it under the bed and act like it never happened.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

like it or not

this whole thing is sort of a big deal. Hamilton has the ability to be one of the best players in baseball, but he is also one of the frailest because of his past addictions and the against-the-wall nature of his banishment from the game. Whether or not he is a part of our team for the next three years or not completely alters the makeup of the team we put on the field. It just so happens that it’s ALSO the most compelling human interest story this team has ever been a part of, a story that anyone who seriously considers him/herself a Rangers blogger simply has to write about.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This has been my one reason for pause, as well.

The nature of Narron’s statement just doesn’t seem to be one of protection for Hamilton, but one of honestly being either in the dark or extremely confused. If Hamilton called his “support system,” why didn’t that include Narron – who is supposed to be the most important part of his support system? Very odd, to say the least

by FuturePants on Aug 10, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps because you may not understand the shame associated with a relapse...

Often times, the one you depend on for support is the last one you want to face.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh ok.

That doesn’t explain anything about my post, though.

by FuturePants on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it does...

My point is that Narron may well have been in the dark. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Josh (a) only told his wife and the Rangers out of fear they would find out another way first, (b) didn’t tell Narron out of shame, and © REALLY hoped it all went away and went into a bit of denial.

All of those are pretty common in post-relapse land.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it doesn't.

I assume Narron is in the dark. I wonder why Hamilton would say he informed his “support system” yet Narron was not told. He told the team but not Narron – and Narron works for the team? Doesn’t add up.

by FuturePants on Aug 10, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe because Josh is a grown up

And grown ups get tired of being treated like children.

So he just went ahead and told the people he’s legally beholden to, and left it at that.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for re-explaining my point in perhaps a clearer way..

Why some folks seem to get hung up on trying to make logical sense of a highly emotional, illogical situation always gets me. I blame all the CSI shows…

Seriously, hasn’t everyone here done something that they had to fess up to, yet which they were too embarrassed to share with someone close to them? Is it REALLY that hard a concept to get?

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're still missing the point.

If he hid this from Narron, why then tell the media that you had in fact told everyone? Something strange about this.

by FuturePants on Aug 10, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he did tell everyone, and Narron was covering for him.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i really think this is the case

Narron’s quotes came out before Hamilton or the team had an official response validating the pictures, and Narron was not about to be the guy to do that. He looks bad now, but it was a small price to pay because he isn’t a very big public figure, and that’s how this stuff works.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t realize Narron made his statement before the team's

I just read Passan’s article, too…

The day after Hamilton’s relapse, Narron called Rangers general manager Jon Daniels. Narron’s voice trembled.

"I need to talk with you about Josh," he said.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thx for that

never saw that about Narron calling JD

by shroomer on Aug 10, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There you have it.

Narron isn’t a liar, he wasn’t running cover for Hamilton, and he’s one of the support network folks that Hamilton fessed up to last January.

Narron was asked by Deadspin about the possibility of Hamilton having a relapse in Spring Training, and he answered it truthfully and deftly.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth I kind of created this mess by saying "he was lying", but I never said that he was "a liar".

There’s a difference to me.

Throwing out a carefully crafted denial to deflect some national attention that I can only imagine he felt would be harmful to Hamilton is one thing.

Did he lie?

Yes.

Is he “a person of low moral character who can’t be trusted?” as MJH so artfully tried to insinuate I had called him?

No. I don’t believe so.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rooster
The nature of Narron’s statement just doesn’t seem to be one of protection for Hamilton, but one of honestly being either in the dark or extremely confused.

I don’t necessarily think Narron was covering for him.

by FuturePants on Aug 10, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that anymore.

I think he answered the questions he was asked about Hamilton’s behavior in Spring Training.

Then I believe he thanked the Lord they didn’t ask specifically about January, and followed that with an urgent message to JD that the shit was about to hit the fan.

Deadspin wants us to believe Narron wasn’t forthright, but Deadspin also doesn’t say that they asked Narron about Hamilton’s behavior outside of Spring Training. Jerry was just smarter than Deadspin.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

that’s kinda funny…

So Narron knew, if we’re to believe Hamilton. I’ll grant the possibility that my questions were sloppy enough to allow for a certain lawyerly parsing on his part. For one thing, I was operating under the misapprehension that the photos were taken in March, not, as Hamilton clarified Saturday, in January. The alternatives are that Narron — who did not return my call this morning — was either lying to me to give Hamilton a chance to respond in full (understandable, but damned un-Christian of him) or the whole thing had just slipped his mind, making him perhaps the worst accountability partner in the history of drug addiction. Whatever the case, Narron is probably not someone in whom we should put a lot faith.

So you might not have asked a specific enough question, but still, Narron can’t be trusted. Funny.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more convinced now than ever that the Rangers have the right man in that job.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I blame CSI

I’m not missing ANY point, TYVM. I’m just not parsing words like ‘everyone’ to death.

Why the F are we trying so hard to dot every ‘i’ and cross every ‘t’ in the timeline, in the statements, and in the discussion??? It’s a highly emotional time full of human failings, and does it really matter if we fully document who knew what and when?

Isn’t the only important thing that he stumbled but appears to have handled it like a man?

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing we haven't discussed here is that Deadspin had their facts wrong about the timing of the event

and that created confusion in Narron’s mind as to what he was being asked.

Deadspin thought the pictures were from Spring Training, and the conversation with Narron completely involved things that happened at Spring Training.

It could be a simple matter of misinformation on Deadspin’s end that lead to a line of narrowly pointed questions about Spring Training activities which Narron answered truthfully and that aren’t actually contradictory with Josh’s statements.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I've been wondering the same thing ...

Narron mighta been answering questions about a March time-frame and not the January time-frame he was obv aware of.

by shroomer on Aug 10, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just let it go

You are making a big deal out of nothing.

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by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It is a brilliant piece of work.

This sort of thoughtfulness is why Joey is the best columnist in the Rangers media / cyber universe.

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

this is like the dreaded Vote of Confidence

usa

by Longhorn on Aug 10, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How?

Your comment makes no sense.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joey has 37 plus-plus opinions as a columnist.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I see what Longhorn was getting at

but he’s still useless.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really love the dirkatron-mjh back and forths.

I’m not being sarcastic. They really are an amusing break during my work day.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is that Narron was lying.

But, if Hambone really hadn’t told him, that’d be… awkward, and certainly it would call his whole, “I immediately confessed and attoned” line of defense into question.

I honestly haven’t read too much about this situation cause it makes me sad, but this is an interesting question to ask.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

because?

Johnny Narron is a person of low moral character who can’t be trusted?

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because, that's what buddies do. They provide cover so the other guy can save face.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I fucking say that, Tattle Tale Mike?

No, I didn’t.

I say that because my first reaction was there’s a good chance he was trying to protect his friend/confidant from having to deal with these things in the public arena and didn’t realize just how dead to rights the photos had him.

So, please keep your manic drama queen-y overreactions to yourself rather than using them to put words in my mouth.

kthanx.

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by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I really doubt Narron

cares one bit what other people think. He was probably trying to protect Josh. That is pretty much his job, right?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, his job is to help Josh, not to protect him..

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

protecting can be helping

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps, but just clarifying what is role really IS..

because they aren’t always the same thing. Maybe he was just making a ham-handed attempt to defuse the question, but it sounded to me like a guy who got caught off-guard and figured it HAD to be wrong since he didn’t know about it.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be

For me, its just hard to picture that everyone knew of the situation except Narron (and I do believe everyone knew of the situation before hand). I don’t think Narron is right there with everyone when they were trying to figure out how to deal with the pictures and those quotes were taken well before that little press conference took place and possibly before it was even announced. It just seems much more likely that Narron was just triyng to have Josh’s back no matter what and then later they decided that the best thing to do was to be completely open and honest about it.

What should Narron have said anyways if he did know?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think those go hand in hand in this type of situation

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, no..

Sometimes in recovery, the helping might include making them realize they need to “do the right thing” and NOT providing cover for them. It’s called enabling.

Now, a public recovery like Josh’s might be VERY different. It might be that providing public cover while NOT providing any private cover is the right approach.

Quite frankly, I haven’t a clue. Which is why I’m not joining the chorus of judges in here. But, it DOES seem to me that providing public cover when the truth is likely to come out anyway is setting Josh up for more trouble.

Quite frankly #2 – I want to know why these pictures all of a sudden surfaced 8 months after the bacchannal.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that a mustache?

If so, keep it going.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 10, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alas... gone this morning.

It was fantastic, though.

I already miss it.

I think I have to bring it back.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense, but that thing has "first attempt at growing a stache" written all over it.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

None taken.

It totally was my first attempt.

It was pretty awful, but in like an awesome kind of way.

Probably because the rest of me is so handsome and perfect that pubertastic ’stache created an interesting dynamic.

It was a juxtaposition thing, ya know?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTDT...

I know from whence you speak….

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Pretty much every mustache I’ve ever tried to grow looks like something your neighborhood child molester would have- sparse and wispy.

Hell, I can barely grow a goatee, and a full beard is right out. 38 years old, and I can still get away with shaving 1-2 times a week.

Officially gay for Neftali Feliz

by RCCook on Aug 10, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not him, though.

"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.

by Chase Irwin on Aug 10, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, I figured. My b.

"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.

by Chase Irwin on Aug 10, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel your pain

I just lost my beard of 5 years.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blackout night???

or just misplaced it?

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

both

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 10, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calling Mike names...

that’s my job. Job stealer.

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by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the line is so long Ben

but you’re still the best; having said that, you probably need to come up with some new attacks… “name dropper” is sort of worn out by now, but I know you are an extremely creative guy and will reinvent the art of peeing on me

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apologies.

When ever MJH works himself into one of his patented douchetastic sanctimonious frenzies I can’t help but find myself revolted and a little pissed off at the fact that the world could create something so vagtastic and awful.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was kind of funny

you calling him dramatic.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more of an irrational geyser of hate kind of overreactor.

It’s a “the sun and the moon” kind of deal.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is unfortunate

that the way you rationalize this is to call Johnny Narron a liar. There’s no reason beyond wild specualation to say that about that man. As for Hamilton, we know he’s a liar. By aggressively selling his story, and then continuing to sell it in it’s “original” form after this tawdry event took place, we do know for sure that Hamilton was untruthful.

I understand that people who bought the Josh Hamilton redemption story hook, line and sinker are hurt by this. So I don’t blame you for lashing out and resisting anything negative about him. I don’t know how old you are dirkatron, but I’m guessing you’re not a little kid anymore and it appears that this episode has hurt you in some way. For little kids who were coaxed into idolizing him, it’s got to hurt even more. I can’t imagine what it would have felt like to have found out something like this about Roger Staubach when I was 10 years old.

Maybe Hamilton told JD and his wife about it in Janauary, and maybe he didn’t. Maybe JD is taking one for the team here. But in March, Hamilton sat down with an eight year old girl who looks up to him and lied to her face. And by relentlessly marketing his story without being honest about it, he’s been lying to everyone.

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

Having a bunch of bar skanks do body shots out of your unzipped pants is a whole different thing than having a “slip up,” right?

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There aren't degrees of slipups... a relpase is a relapse..

The rest of the labelling is all projection on our parts.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hamilton's marketing campaign

So, to sell books?

Does Hamilton even do any endorsement deals?

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So now Hamilton is a huge liar, JD is a liar, and Narron is telling the truth?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't really call JD a liar

he is just a spin controller in this whole thing.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nolan has also

disappeared during this and I would think he’d take a higher profile leadership role in this than he has.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

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by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You set the bar for being an irrational over-reacting self righteous whiny pussy unfathomably high.

That shit was epic.

I’d be plenty surprised if you didn’t have to take a menstruation break halfway through that.

Especially the part where you pussed it up with that gloppy discharge about the 8 year old girl.

Oprah could’ve taken notes at that point.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey now

New Dirkatron picture!!!!!

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really love the dirkatron-mjh back and forths.

I’m not being sarcastic. They are a really amusing break in my work day.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giggle.

"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.

by Chase Irwin on Aug 10, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

just re-watched that interview, and didn’t get any lies out of it. not one time did he say he hasn’t done drugs or had a sip of alcohol in the last 3 years or whatever. But if you are going to play the role of douche here go right ahead. I am sure one of those “bar skanks” broke your heart while you were in Arizona

by blueballlefty on Aug 10, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF that's true

Then he clearly should have told an 8 year old girl that he was taking body shots off some large breasted women 2 months earlier.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right... because the fact he's still struggling to get it right...

is reason to shit-can the whole “back from the dead” story that is his life right now..

IMO, the folks calling him a fraud for continuing to try and do good deeds (i..e making amends) when he’s still a work in progress (a) don’t know jack shit about the process and (b) seem to have a fair dose of sanctimony themselves.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

with all due respect

Isn’t this why the “Anonymous” part is so important? It seems dangerous to hold yourself out as a role model to the world when you know that your sobriety is, by definition, so tenuous.

I’m not trying to pick a fight, but that has always confused me. The excessively public aspect of his sobriety has always bothered me because the people I know who have struggled successfully for the long haul let the game come to them rather than proactively broadcast their sobriety when it came time for helping others.

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

Josh is buying TV spots to broadcast his sobriety. I think he gladly tells people who ask his story, sure he did some extra stuff last year after games and such (which I am sure he was asked to do by the Rangers), but I doubt he goes out of his way to “PUSH” his story on anyone. I don’t know if you are familiar with his religion, but it isn’t one that has followers that claim to be anything close to perfect. Claiming to be perfect, and striving for perfection are two totally different things. Josh slipped up, he is back on his feet now and seems to be fine. If the guy went on a year long drinking and drug binge it wouldn’t make him any less of a person or Christian. It would be unfortunate and disappointing, and probably end his playing days, but when he fought back out of it, he would still be the same great person.

by blueballlefty on Aug 10, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't understand the idea of having to 'forgive' an addict.

By definition, an addict is not in control. Living with one means you will share in their struggles; learning by watching one means you will watch some extent of a tragedy unfold.

I really don’t see the problem in talking to an eight-year-old or anyone in the public about the extensive social network that is necessary to support someone dealing with an addiction as well as the pain that network must absorb. The role they should model is not that they have overcome their addiction but that they cling to their support network and fully recognize the pain that is absorbed by that network in the way that Josh has.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talking to an eight year old...

I seem to recall some drug addict motivational speakers that spoke to my schools when I was a kid.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and what did you think of them Ben?

What benefit did you get from those experiences?

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It gave me...

a real life event that lent poignancy to the Matt Foley sketches.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

brilliant

yeah… always a lot of upside to those sort of things

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All the drug talks we had

in elementary and middle school made me want to try drugs. They sounded kind of cool.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone had all these great stories to tell

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I remember wanting to try LSD after hearing the presentations. Maybe they were doing them wrong back in the ’70s.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not me

hearing that Art Linkletter’s daughter jumped off a high-rise roof while on a LSD trip cured me of curiousity.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Buffy (Anissa Jones)

from Family Affair did the same thing but not sure.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

she did OD

but dies in her sleep.

I did it. Didn’t jump off a building, but we did go pool-hopping. It was actually a lot of fun, but never did it again. Ah, the road not traveled.

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't miss much

Of all the drugs I tried, I found LSD to be one of the most overrated.

Officially gay for Neftali Feliz

by RCCook on Aug 10, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did it quite a bit in high school

among others. If I had it to do all over again, I would have never touched the stuff. Hell, in retrospect, I would have never taken up tobacco or booze. Of course, I’d be no fun.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Aug 10, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had the same reaction

When i was first told about ecstasy in my Freshman year in High School. I never messed with the stuff, but my initial reaction was the exact opposite of what they were going for.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Aug 10, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought experiment
The excessively public aspect of his sobriety

I actually can’t conceive how he might achieve sobriety in private.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

millions and millions of people do it

In the 12 Traditions of AA, you’ll see this:

11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio and films.

And there’s no end to the number of people who have been helped by those traditions without making themselves a symbol of sobriety at the level of press radio and films.

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

That 11th tradition is specifically about AA membership. I’ve never heard Josh mention AA.

I haven’t read Hamilton’s book closely… What I recall reading is he recovered in his grandmother’s house, no other program.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, this is more about Hamilton's faith

and his personality and doesn’t really have anything to do with AA or his addiction. Mike, this is just part of who Hamilton is, I don’t he has any dark motives in being so public with this.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me neither

I just think it’s dangerous. I also think it’s irresponsible. I have no doubt that he thinks he’s doing the right thing.

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In any case

still one more example of why athletes don’t often make good role models.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

athletes?

this has nothing to do with normal “athlete” stuff that makes them poor role models…McNair was a proper example of that. This is an example of why people with a long term struggle with debilitating addictions don’t make good role models, despite their overall success in staying clean or their ability to hit home runs.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just my opinion

athletes aren’t good role models in general. They are people gifted with freakish talent and/or physique, and that does not make a role model. Some certainly are, but I think most do not deserve adulation simply for being good at a game, as much as I enjoy their accomplishments.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strictly speaking

Josh doesn’t name the program. But he’s also pretty newly getting his act together in 2005.

My point about Hamilton needing to “recover in public” isn’t about AA, though. It’s about the press he got as a 1/1 draftee multi-millionaire, who quit playing baseball because of drugs, who was in the press for it, and who’d have to answer to journalists about his recovery. I don’t think he could play ML baseball again without addressing the press.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he's already a public figure, and he past troubles are also public...

Is there not value to others in his publicly working through things? It’s no different than the speakers at an AA meeting, only on a larger scale. When someone relapses, they aren’t ostracized and prevented from sharing their stories; they aren’t banned from speaking.

It’s not about role models, it’s about sharing life lessons.

FWIW, you’re correct about the application of that 11th Tradition, but I don’t see any evidence to date that he’s in AA, or NA, or any specific program.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hamilton in public

There was so much press for Hamilton — because of his 1/1 status, and the money he received, very mundane — that his career couldn’t resume without the press picking up where they left off, and documenting whether he was sober.

That’s what I mean about it being public by necessity. That Hamilton came out and spoke in depth, wrote a book….I kinda think he had to.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

but why persist in holding himself out publicly as a symbol of sobriety when he had a recent, horrifying reminder that he is — at any given time — one turn away from losing it?

Again: not picking a fight. I just don’t understand it. It seems reckless and irresponsible to me.

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So then what is the alternative to what he did?

After staying clean over the past few seasons, he’s supposed to just come out and tell everyone he slipped for a night and never again talk about staying clean?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe keep it low profile in the first place?

But since he didn’t and chose to be extremely public about his story, then I guess it would have made more since to me if he had been public about that part too right away instead of waiting until he was outed by Deadspin.

Don’t you sort of wonder if there are other skeletons out there that we’ll only know about after (or if) evidence surfaces?

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I'm following this line of reasoning.

If I see you broke down on the side of the road, and stop and help you change your tire, and the tire falls off on your way home, am I an asshole for trying to help you fix your tire because it then fell off?

Likewise, if he did a good thing in talking publicly about his struggle with alcohol and drugs, why does this recent struggle negate that good?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I like about this analogy is...

…that if Ben were to help you change a tire, actually fixing it to the point where you could drive it off would be a monumental achievement for him, even if the tire fell off on the way home.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 13, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

Don’t you have bigger fish to fry, MJH?

I’m not making light of this story and I certainly don’t care to take a position on one side or the other. But you have an unusual amount of interest in this story and it reeks of Barbaro updates.

I’m sorry that Josh Hamilton has fooled you. Perhaps you will lower your expectations, now?

"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.

by Chase Irwin on Aug 10, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what baffles me about this.

Isn’t mike like in his 40’s? I mean, if he vests this much of himself in 20-30 year old men (a demographic not known for it’s, hrmm, sound decisionmaking track record) he’s not going to be a happy guy.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

my question is, has this been your position all along? I mean, that Josh should just STFU about his addiction issues and that he was eventually going to be destructive to everyone in his universe because that’s what addicts do?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes and no

I’m uncomfortable with people who tout their sobriety so publicly. Did I know whether or not he’d maintain it? Of course not. Neither did he. Nor does any other addict. Which is why the extremely public aspect of this has made me uneasy from the start.

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems a bit incongruous to me...

but do you think his talking about sobriety was a net negative, or net positive to the general public (taking this latest event out of the equation)?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did he claim he was completely cured or sober forever or whatever?

I remember reading plenty of quotes about him acknowledging full well this was the sort of monster you don’t so much kill as try to do whatever you can to gain the strength to wrestle the fucker down anew each and every single day.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might be more in agreement with you..

if you provided ANY sort of reasonable alternative to him being so public. It wasn’t his idea to make his troubles a story, and I think he’s done the noble thing by putting himself out there as an example of both how drugs can destroy your life and how faith and support can rebuild it.

Too bad, IMO, that the faith word seems to be such a hot button for you.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe its just me

But I don’t see Josh “touting” his sobriety that much in public. He talks about it when asked by the media which make that the headline of the Josh Hamilton story the last couple of years.

But really the only “touting” I see is when he does these speeches to groups when he talks about his faith and the stuff he went through.

Touting to me would be if he has a great game and during the post game interview when asked about that game he all of a sudden goes on a tangent about his sobriety or whatnot. Answering questions asked by other people does not come off as touting to me. Sorry

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by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was looking out for the kids who idolize Hamilton.

and Jerry Narron’s good name.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've got that "holding himself up" thing wrong

in my opinion. He’s not holding himself up as a symbol of sobriety, he’s holding himself up as a symbol of trying, of not giving up, and all that. He has no illusions about himself being some paragon of good behavior since admitting he’s an addict. He’s humble and doing the best he can, and that makes him a good symbol of realism in my eyes.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the stupidest steaming pile of shit I've ever heard.

You act like his story is one of cured addiction & redemption. It’s clear you haven’t fucking listened to one bit of his story.

To my memory, he’s always spoken factually about what (his) addiction is, something he will deal with daily for the rest of his life. To get sanctimonious and call him a hypocrite for falling off the wagon is wrong. He’s never misrepresented himself by saying he’ll never foul up. In fact, he’s always indicated that it was inevitable. Perhaps you built him up in your mind into something he isn’t, and now you’re pissed because your fantasy is shattered?

Don’t be another sanctimonious prick, there are too many of those already.

by bhudson on Aug 10, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMo, many folks are taking these shots at him due to the religious nature of his testimony..

Folks really seem to find it fun to jump on folks who talk of God and then stumble like humans. Not taking a shot at Mike, as I don’t know his motivation for sure, but I do see a lot of that.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking a shot at him due to religion

Glad somebody’s distinguishing this.

Some people’s reactions have nothing to do with addiction or Hamilton.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my motivation

Not sure that’s the right word, but I think Joey raised some good questions and I think it’s wrong for Josh Hamilton to leave Johnny Narron hanging like that after all the guy has done for him.

Johnny Narron is a man of great character with an outstanding reputation and Hamilton - one way or another; either by allowing him to take a bullet or by not confiding in him - has damaged that, which is what addicts do. They do harm to virtually everything and everybody in their universe.

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's ridiculously hyperbolic.

Hamilton has done harm to nobody but himself, his family, and, arguably, his teammates. The vast majority of the things in his universe (e.g., Rangers fans) haven’t had any harm done to them in this situation.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's better Ben

thanks.

So you think this reflects well on Johnny Narron? Or just that Josh doesn’t owe him anything? Or is there something else?

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Johnny Narron owe Josh anything?

What with his entire position with the club being predicated on Josh and Josh’s condition?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Josh may or may not owe Narron is hardly for us to say or know about....

You seem to be saying that unles Josh acquits himself in a way that you approve of from start to finish, he’s being a fraud and a huckster.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm of the opinion that Narron was taking the pictures.

That way, there would be no possibility of them being leaked. If Jerry had done his job and kept the pictures from being leaked, this situation would’ve never happened.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Jamey set himself up for this...

Josh will never be cured. You have to be very careful making Josh a role model. I’m a fan of Josh Hamilton, the man. He’s a role model to me, because I can sympathize with his struggle, and I can separate the failings of a flawed man from what I believe to be genuine good intentions. But children can’t always parse things like that. If you want to make him a role model for your kids, you are treading on thin ice.

He didn’t lie to Jamey’s girl from what’s available to me to see and read. He let her down, maybe, but that’s what addicts do. Don’t be pissed. Jamey set himself up for an awkward conversation. That’s his fault, not Josh’s. A relapse was a matter of time. And the next one is as well.

by bhudson on Aug 10, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whose...

8 year old is Mike talking about up there? Yours?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then it seems...

like Mike is saying you made him a role model by proxy.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I need to watch it again.

Been five months. I know he didn’t say “I haven’t relapsed” or anything like that, but can’t recall if he said anything that in hindsight would look like a lie.

by Jamey Newberg on Aug 10, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

not trying to put you on the spot there. I am sure it is very disappointing for you none the less, having him PERSONALLY spread his message with your children. It would be very hard explaining to a young child that someone like Josh isn’t perfect, and that it is ok that he isn’t perfect.

by blueballlefty on Aug 10, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two Q's & Two A's

“Some kids who look to you as their role model might think that if Josh Hamilton can do drugs and drink alcohol and still be a great athlete that they can too. What would you say to them?”

“Well, I think I went through it and God allowed me to come through it so I could share the story of why not to do it and why I hope they don’t think that way because everthing I loved was taken away from me because of drugs and alcohol … it was… um… my family, my wife, my parents, my kids. Everything…um…everything in my life was taken away from me and nothing good came out of me using drugs. Uh…so…anytime I think about using them again, I think about all the bad consequences that came out of it. Because the bad outweighs any kind of good that comes from it. There are no really good things that come from it.”

“What would you say your overall message is for people? Is it not to do drugs or is it more than that?”

“Uh, it’s definitely more than that. Um…you know…my biggest thing for men is listen to your wives….95% of the time [sighs]… the other five percent are up for grabs because you’re not right anyway. Um…so it’s uh…you know my wife told me that God was going to allow me to get back to baseball. And my wife didn’t know me as a baseball player. She never saw me play or knew me as an athlete. And she said, ’God’s going to allow you to get back to baseball but it’s not going to be about baseball, it’s going to be about sharing with people about he brought you back and he got you through that storm and that season of your life. And every day [excpet one or two in January?] I get the opportunity to share my story with people and tell him how he’s done that and that’s what it’s about. Um…and you know the drugs, and the tattoos, are…you know…[inaudible] because people use drugs have addictions…um…how many people have addictions, of some sort? And how many people have tattoos of some sort? And if I’m on this platform and I can reach these people and they’ll listen to me and I let them know that it’s OK, you know, to make mistakes, but you got to learn from those mistakes and you have to be able to bounce back from them.”

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what's the contradiction there?

The parenthetical you added? I mean, this isn’t particularly damning.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get

where you are going with this? I don’t see a single contradiction here, I do understand Jamey’s predicament with his kids, and could even understand him being upset with Josh personally (warranted or not) but MjH I really have no idea what your goal is here

by blueballlefty on Aug 10, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to make this judgement...

But both this line of discussion and some previous ones have me pretty well convinced he just doesn’t like people putting their faith out there like Josh has. I think that is the part that galls him the most.

Now, full disclosure – I’m hardly the most religious person out there, and almost never attend services. But I do recognize the right of anyone to use their faith as a guidepost and to try and share that with others.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Jamey made Josh a role model to his kids.

It just happened like it just happened in my house with my son.

We have the book (that he did a report on at school this year), multiple jerseys, the Fat-Head, the bobble-head, all that bullshit and that’s what pisses me off.

For whatever reason (part of it because of his struggles but moreso for his talent) Josh was on a pedestal and kids, moms and dads all gravitate towards him.

I’m not going to be fooled again and will be surprised if he doesn’t slip.

To my son, I just said he’s human and that’s why he can’t drink.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

all that stuff

and people say you aren’t a fan. There is a real good chance that he will slip up again, but as long as he surounds himself with a good support group, which it seems like he has here, then they will be there to pick him up and hopefully not let it get out of hand.

by blueballlefty on Aug 10, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

very good points, and i think it has alot to do with the religious nature of it

it pains me for Josh’s sake that alot of people are gonna forever look on him with contempt b/c of this and the fact that he’s so open about his faith. But, i guess the reality is he’s just gonna have to deal with it, there’s really nothing that he or anyone else can do to change their minds.

by Kambala7 on Aug 10, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT - Hindman

You never answered my question the other day in regards to blaming Rudy or the person who the team together.

Care to answer now?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

Take a look at these variations in OBP from 2008 to 2009….

Hamilton= decline (.371 to .291)
Kinsler= decline (.375 to .313)
Saltalamacchia= decline (.352 to .254)
Davis= decline (.331 to .256)
Blalock = decline (.338 to .283)
Byrd = decline (.380 to .324)
Cruz = decline (.421 to .337)

I’m not sure how the GM could have expexted all of those guys to see their OBP slip so far at the same time. And it seems like more than a coincidence that they all declined so steeply at the same time.

But I’d certainly be interested in hearing how you think Jon Daniels caused that to happen. Did all of that happen because the Rangers didn’t pay Milton Bradley $30 million to stay here?

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't want to keep Bradley at any price.

I thought he was selfish, a cancer and Ron Washington’s personal doormat.

I don’t think JD did a good job of replacing Bradley’s bat last off-season or especially at the trade deadline when he had four months of data showing him this wasn’t working.

I don’t blame Rudy. He was tasked with making chickensalad out of chickenshit.

Give Rudy the right ingredients and he’s proven that he can make a helluva salad.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Give Rudy the right ingredients and he’s proven that he can make a helluva salad.

Except, give Rudy the right ingredients and he’ll make a helluva salad sometimes or he’ll give you a steaming pile.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who would have been...

a good replacement for Bradley’s bat among players who were available and within the extremely limited budget Daniels has to work with?

by mjh on Aug 10, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There isn't going to be a direct answer to this.

It’s just going to be griping about Hicks. So prepare your, “objection, relevance!” button.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 10, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At the trade deadline, JD should've picked up Nick.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mjh

I gave you names over at Inside Corner.

Lots of players have moved since we knew Bradley was leaving. Abreu, NJohnson, Sheffield, Swisher, Holliday, DeRosa all would have been good candidates at different levels of cost and I’m not a GM nor do I have an Ivy League degree.

You still haven’t answered my question – who is at fault in your opinion?

Rudy or JD?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's mostly the volatility that comes with most of a player's OBP coming from BA.

BA is a fairly volatile statistic.

I’m mostly surprised by Kinsler and Hamilton, but the others either have OBP driven by BA or are very young players and can be expected to be streaky or struggle.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josey's biggest problem

is in constantly trying to reduce complex situations to unrealistically simple things just so he can easily assign blame to Daniels. All of the universe boils down in the Josey crucible to Daniels sucks.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Abreu is the completely obvious answer here

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mjh

So you blame Rudy and absolve JD, correct?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 11, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you blame or completely absolve

either of them? Stop trying to make complicated things simple, dipshit.

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by t ball on Aug 12, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy made a very nice chickensalad last year

but then again, he had the right ingredients.

BTW – you’ve stopped demonstrating any kind of "nuance’ in your posts lately and the above is a prime example.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 12, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As usual your post makes zero sense.

You have absolutely no ability to discern cause and effect. You just look for the simplest reason that fits your agenda and vomit it onto the blog. If you were a doctor all of your patients would probably die from being misdiagnosed. You’re much better suited to being a judge at a witch trial than a doctor, though. All evidence points to your predetermined conclusions.

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by t ball on Aug 12, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Failed the nuance test again, piano man

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 12, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are the subject,

there is no nuance to be found.

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by t ball on Aug 12, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

do these ingredients

include steroids? Because much of his reputation is built upon work in the mid to late 1990s with men who used steroids.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some dudes have come in here and built or rebuilt quite a bit of value under his tutelage.

Michael Young turned into a much different hitter after arriving in the big leagues, he’s had a nice run with his BORPS (Mathews, Byrd, etc.), and guys like Derosa left here quite a bit more highly thought of than they arrived.

Mainly I think the thing with Rudy is that we assigned him far too much of the credit when things went well, and are now assigning him too much blame with what’s going wrong.

That’s the way it is with all coaches/management types in all walks of life, imo.

Different coaches are going to reach certain players and mesh with them better than others. There are probably guys who would really excel under Rudy right now, and some who would really benefit from someone else’s teachings and style.

Maybe it’s time for Rudy to go just to make a change for change’s sake.

Who knows.

But assigning credit/blame to any coach is a complex issue, and I’m not sure any of us here have the kind of access and insight into the process to make an accurate assessment right now.

I’m sure it’s something management will look into after the season.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are right

I shouldn’t have been so dismissive, because he has had a lot of success. Guys like Young, DeRosa, GMJ and Byrd are all solid examples of guys redefining themselves under his eye. And honestly, I am not sure how much a hitting coach can coach patience, rather than just the technical aspects of a swing. He can talk about approach, but he can’t do anything tangible to affect its practice.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he got WAYYY too much credit during the "bash years"..

and that’s causing an odd pair of problems. He’s (a) getting too much of a pass since he’s considered a guru, and yet (b) he’s being assigned too much blame as if he can really control how these guys implement the approach.

My take is that he’s overrated AND that it’s mostly the players’ fault. But I do think his message has gotten stale, and I don’t think changing the messenger is going to send this into a tailspin.

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by bking on Aug 10, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. I'm willing to believe that Narron was willing to take a hit while providing cover for Hamilton.

But, really, the number one safety net person he needed to contact was his wife, and after that conversation, he needed to let JD know so the team could prepare for the possibility of suspensions, etc.

So, if Hamilton didn’t tell Narron, I’m not that bent out of shape about it so long as his wife and JD say they heard about it from him right away. Either way, I think Narron’s role in this particular story is pretty minimal, though his day-to-day role with Hamilton is critical.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

As a friend and mentor of sorts to Hamilton, I can kinda see why Josh might actually keep him out of the loop, not wanting to dissapoint him or whatever.

It’s also possible he told his wife and JD after it happened, and they decided to keep it within a tight circle, hoping it wouldn’t come out, or at least delay it for as long as possible. I can definitely see why the Rangers wouldn’t have wanted all this hoopla happening going into spring training, and possibly upsetting things in the clubhouse and becoming a distraction before the year even started.

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Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by lonestarJon on Aug 10, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly what happened

And what’s wrong with that? AA is based strongly on confidentiality. I know that it’s been mentioned that Josh wasn’t involved in AA but whatever, If you want someone to trust you with personal information you better not talk about it. Duh. The only way Johnny can be his confident is if he doesn’t tell every Tom Dick and Harry.

It seems that MJH is calling out Josh as a hypocrite but I don’t know why. What’s the story he wants Josh to tell to kids? “I drank and did a lot of drugs, it screwed up my life, but I’ve been clean and things are better” versus “I got fucked up the other night but you shouldn’t”.

Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.

by WyoRanger on Aug 10, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there is more behind all this

I can imagine few things that would have a bigger impact on Hamilton’s future and, therefore, the team’s future. And lay off Joey for posting about this. It’s only the second time he’s commented on his blog, and it is a big deal (or at least has the potential to be a very big deal). Just because you are sick of reading all the verbiage about it collectively is no reason to tell any single writer he shouldn’t be talking about it. Some of the commenters over there are reacting as if Joey took the photos.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting take, but

At the end of the day Hamilton hasn’t failed a drug test (that we know of), so I’m going to let it go.

by rcreative on Aug 10, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maloneys Tavern

With his issues I wonder why Josh chose to go into Maloneys in the first place? At his press conference he said he was looking for something to eat and and that he eats in restaurants that have bars all the time. If I was standing outside a tavern, i would know that this place is primarily a bar that serves food on the side. It is not a restaurant, say like Olive Garden, etc., that has an adjoining bar, which fits his description of a restaurant that has a bar. Where he was training and living in AZ , I’m sure there were probably a half dozen restaurants nearby, probably most of which didn’t even have an adjoining bar.

by gordo22 on Aug 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

During the day

Maloney’s served food. At night it turned into a typical college town bar. I used to go there for lunch all the time when I as at ASU. It’s not an unreasonable thing to go in there just to get lunch.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and Maloney's is literallly directly across the street

from API (http://www.athletesperformance.com/) where he was training. Right there his options were a Del Taco or Maloney’s. I’m thinking maybe he had too much Del Taco recently and he wanted a change

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's reasonable for you

But for Josh it’s a powderkeg situation, especially when he’s there by himself. It would have been better if he would have gone to a restaurant miles away then visit a tavern across the street. The deadspin article said that they had heard reports of his being there on more than one occasion. I’m sure the reports weren’t that he was there having a burger. But that article had gaffes, so who knows. Rome just had an expert on addiction on his show saying that she is very doubtful that was Josh’s only time drinking, that it gets in an addicts system and they have to have more.

by gordo22 on Aug 10, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that unusual..

He may very well be relapsing regularly, but it’s also common for people to “test” themselves or “give themselves a little break”, then realize the mistake and stop cold. Hopefully, he did go straight to get help and this was the case.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you really understand

During the day — it was an irish style restaurant. It turns into a bar later on in the day. To go in there wanting lunch in the middle of the afternoon isn’t an unreasonable thing. Especially when his other option likely was Del Taco. Remember, he probably didn’t know Tempe very well and went with what was convenient.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't read about this situation all that much, as it doesn't particularly interest me other than to make me a little sad, but... why was he in this situation?

Your bar/restaurant clarification is much appreciated, but what about his overall situation in Tempe?

Again, excuse my ignorance here, but I get the impression he was there living all alone while training.

I don’t know the habits of athletes all that well, but why was he off in Tempe all by himself, sans wife, sans support system of any kind?

Is this common for athletes? Even married ones?

And you’d think for Hamilton especially this would be a combustible cocktail he’d seek to avoid.

Again, pardon the lack of specific knowledge.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he went there earlier than everyone to try and get in good shape for the season

He probably, mistakenly, thought he could handle living on his own for a few weeks until others arrived there

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be perfectly normal for him to be there w/out his wife

The kids would be in school.

A lot of players get apartments or condos rather than do hotel stays, but usually they roomie up with each other.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, okay.

I figured most of the guys with kids would find a way to work out in the Winter where they could be around their wives/kids as much as possible, but I suppose sometimes you have to go to where the good instruction/coaches are.

Plus there’s probably a limit on how much uninterrupted “family time” dudes can/want to handle at a time when they’re used to that shit being broken up by constant road trips and night games and the like.

Shit, I’ve heard a lot of quotes from the wives about not adjusting particularly well to having them around 100% of the time during the off season or whatever, either.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Shit, I’ve heard a lot of quotes from the wives about not adjusting particularly well to having them around 100% of the time during the off season or whatever, either."

Very common complaint amongst navy wives, as well.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

you would know.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Narron has said he was there in Phoenix with Josh

But this place is literally across the street from where he was training. Even if his support staff just went to run an errand or whatever this could’ve happened. All he had to do was cross the street.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Narron said he was there during Spring Training.

The call he made to JD could be interpreted to mean he stumbled across Hamilton the next morning or that Hamilton called him first thing in the morning. Hard to say if Narron was there in February.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, that doesn't dispute what I said though

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He definitely put himself at risk..

and hopefully learned a lasting lesson.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Just trying to keep a strict accounting of facts when they become available.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kk, thanks.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do understand your comments

And I appreciate what you’re saying. But an addict has got to avoid bars/taverns at all costs. Even if someone were getting lunch there isn’t the bar open so they can get a drink if they wanted one? That’s why I said he would have been better off driving wherever, even if he had to search, to find a better situation. That makes me wonder that if his reason to go into Maloneys wasn’t to get a drink in the first place?

by gordo22 on Aug 10, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Josh has also said that he eats in restaurants that have bars in them

Unless you eat fast food all the time it’s damn near impossible to get a decent meal when alcohol isn’t available.

You may be right that he had that intention all along — I’m just stating that it’s not out of the question that he went in there because he was hungry and the place was right across the street.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't we all just get along?

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shut up, OPCT.

I hate you most of all.

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by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aww, does Dirky have a case of the Mondays?

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, you seen Hurt Locker yet?

The reviews have been unbelievable and it’s finally out this week in my jerkwater burg of a jerkwater burg.

I’m swapping e-mails on making plans to go see it as we speak.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but I have read the reviews, and you aren't kidding

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am curious to know what you think

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the R.T. reviews have convinced me to check that out

looks pretty sweet.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Her last film is one of the singularly greatest two hours in cinema: Point Break.

by FuturePants on Aug 11, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The brute force of Narron's comments

“I have my doubts those are real.”

Is that even a contradiction?

What exactly is Narron’s job title with the Rangers’ org this year? That’s not a shot at him…just hadn’t heard his name in connection with Hamilton or in whatever capacity.

Is he still a Rangers employee?

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Honey

I wasn’t cheating with bar skanks, I was just drunk. But thank god for jesus.

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

reductionist tool...

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

touchy bunch

I could give a rat’s ass about this whole story. Hadn’t seen the photos and had just heard he was trashed in photos and told his wife. Didn’t realize the other women angle, although I suppose the pics wouldn’t have shown him alon crying over a bottle of scotch.

I do find the repeated witness bearing a little annoying, but whatever helps him.

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could give a rat's ass about the story,

yet you were motivated enough to register on another team’s fansite and post your genius HSO.

by bhudson on Aug 10, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally,

I thought it was kind of funny.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

I tried, but I’m only human.

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As did I

It’s a serious situation for Hamilton, but I see nothing wrong with a little gallows humor.

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by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a member

of several SB nation blogs and moseyed over to see if there was any info on Ian Kinsler’s injury, as he is on my fantasy team. I also have Feliz. I had Holland but I dealt him and Hosmer for Lincecum in the off-season (as I tell everyone I meet). Glad to see Holland is picking it up, so the guy i dealt him to doesn’t hate me forever.

Apologize for making light of this awful human tragedy with a truly tasteless, unfunny joke.

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, it's a homer blog so you get some mama-bear protective instincts.

Can’t blame us for assuming someone coming over and making a joke was just a stereotypical interweb jerkwad.

Obviously you’re not.

No hard feelings at all.

I agree those pics were… uh, interesting.

Seeing Hamilton letting his party flag fly like that was like getting a glimpse of the beast we heard about so much but never really got to see during his time here.

You can hear about that guy so much, but when all you see is the calm and sober Hamilton, it’s honestly a bit hard to picture him as the all consuming self-destructive party boy he used to be.

I’ve known guys who can’t control themselves when they get into party mode like that, and they’re fucking scary.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

having read some of the posts

I had a feeling I’d be getting some people a little testy. Couldn’t resist. Just the inner beast in me. My name’s wobatus and It’s been 6 months since my last unfunny attempt at humor.

And of course, apologies to those ladies, who likely are just nice girls having some fun with Mr. tattoo home run hero, and not “skanks.”

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I know a skank when I see one.

You take that shit back right now!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bar skank

Here’s a real one. If hamilton had been with this lady, then you’d know the beer goggles were on:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/josephleenovak/2822710884/

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW, I though it was pretty funny as 'gallows humor' too.

Until the unnecessary last sentence.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

that was pretty awful. Should have cut it short. Although i do find his repeated invoking of jesus a litle annoying.

BTW, my daughter was christened yesterday. I better go easy on JC.

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, time to self-filter, dad..

I have to run out to the garage and curse in the car on occasion.

Moving on to a new topic: how did he party like that with those skanks and yet not hook up? Inquiring minds (Ok, disturbed minds) want to know.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who said he didn't hook up?

Maybe not with them, but apparently he headed to “tha club” right after.

by bhudson on Aug 10, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last sentence convinced me

you were a troll. Good to be wrong sometimes.

by bhudson on Aug 10, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last sentence

was one of the funnier parts, imo.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no...

They’re skanks.

This is the thing about the story that is most unbelievable. That might be good tail to me, but I’m disappointed that Josh couldn’t find better. You don’t relapse every day… make it count.

by bhudson on Aug 10, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Heh. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing RIGHT

Even if it’s wrong.

I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.

"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales

by Brian Thomas on Aug 10, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, when you're drunk, you're drunk.

And when you’re drunk those girls would look like little personal Jessica Alba’s sent from on high to provide you with the perfect womanly experience.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 10, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

just a tool. Kidding around, of course. Great ballplayer when healthy.

by wobatus on Aug 10, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I think Passan sums up much of this discussion very well. (thanks for the link hightowersmith)
To the believers in front of whom Hamilton was paraded as the paragon of discipline and epitome of willpower.

Hamilton’s was a story about success, and those always titillate.

"So why do y’all look like you’ve got sick feelings in your stomach?" Hamilton said. "Y’all don’t know what y’all are gonna talk about today? Just be honest, like I have been."

Fine.

This was sad. It was terribly sad. Alcohol killed Billy Martin. Drugs killed Steve Howe. Drugs and alcohol torpedoed the careers of Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden. A sober Josh Hamilton represented hope. A relapsed Josh Hamilton represents a different sort of hope.

I guess I get it on the level of rooting for a team. Without Hamilton in the lineup for the next few years, the Rangers would have to spend a lot of money to fill that production and continue to be legitimate contenders. It would present a serious challenge to JD under the budget constraints the Rangers seem to have.

I don’t get it at all on a personal level. I can’t think of one athlete that I looked up to in my entire life as a person whose life I wanted to model. I maybe wanted to model the way they played the game, but that’s about it. And the whole idea of “follow this person’s path and you will be successful” just seems odd to me. It always has. But, I’ve always been of the find-your-own-unique-thing type of person. Maybe that’s why I’m not as connected to this situation as others.

On a personal level the only sympathy I feel is for his wife and kids. They have every right to be mad at him for a very long time.

So, since I don’t seem to get it, I think Passan’s article is about the best explanation that someone can give to me.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What has always intrigued me

has been the pedestal we tend to put athletes on, compared to how we treat singers and entertainers.

We damn near expect rock stars to rip lines of coke and bang groupies by the dozen, but when an athlete does it, the media is full of columns and columns of sanctimonious bullshit.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point..

I think it’s the artist vs the physical specimen thing for me.

I “get” that artists seek out the bohemian edge, but it always defeats me when someone with physical skills that I could never even HOPE to have does something to destroy their body.

Illogical, I know.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

And how often do you read columns about how overpaid Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, or Oprah Winfrey are, compared to same for athletes?

Officially gay for Neftali Feliz

by RCCook on Aug 10, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

the double standard is fairly boggling. You never hear folks screaming for an actor’s salary cap.

There was a period where Ben Affleck was making huge money despite cranking out one bomb after another. His pay was better than ARods and his performance was less than Donnie Sadler.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somewhere Brian P. Hayes just got a shooting neck pain.....

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I thought I could enter this thread and read only one post...

then, I read a second post, then I read posts from mjh… now I’ve wasted half the day on this thread and I don’t even really care about whether Hamilton has a relapse, so long as he’s still in a Rangers uniform.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully not. I wouldn't have the manliness to fess up to my wife like Hamilton did.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Katie Hamilton

slummed it up over at the DMN Blog

LINK

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you beat me to the punch so i'll just post my stupid thoughts here

The reality is that the human story is always full of failures or relapses in this case, its just the state we live in. Its tough because it gets so muddled with Hamilton being such a public figure and to a lot of people he’s the cookie cutter definition of a saved soul, but the problem is there is no such thing as cookie cutter. I know alot of people wont be able to differentiate between Josh being a fallen hero and another addict who is battling with his demons despite finding what seemed like a fairy tale ending to his addictions.

Josh is still the same person he was before and is still the same man who wants so desperately play baseball, love his family and love God, but the reality is, his story will lose credibility in the eyes of alot of people and he is no longr the man he was before in alot of peoples eyes. Its shocking to find out that our heroes are actually humans.

by Kambala7 on Aug 10, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully not. I wouldn't have the manliness to fess up to my wife like Hamilton did.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How did this get posted down here.

Since I’m posting in this thread, I’ll say something relevant. Katie is a great person for Josh to have in his life. If her presence doesn’t keep him from self-destructing, I can’t imagine what it would take.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder when he fessed up

to her?

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

She says January in the link.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah,

I read through it too quickly.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good

because i was beginning to think you believe Katie is a low moral character who can’t be trusted.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Katie, on the other hand,

might be role model material.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Especially for those Christians who are down on Hamilton after this.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and also

because the ability to forgive, even moreso than the ability to clean, is the closest thing to godliness.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

she’s a bigger hero than Josh in this whole thing, and I hope her kids grow up appreciating her for it. She sounds like a rock.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where are you seeing a lot of that??

I’m seeing a lot of people down on him, but not a lot of people professing faith AND being down on him.

I DO see a lot of people using this as a chance to faith-bash, but there’s nothing new there.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor katie

She obviously hasn’t found our high class blog here, or she wouldn’t be wasting her time over there.

I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'

by iorange555 on Aug 10, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Real Christians

evangalize in the darkest places.

by bhudson on Aug 10, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

way OT:

anybody know what it means when someone texts you BGPG?

by blueballlefty on Aug 10, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It means you're out of the loop on the latest texting terms..

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beta-Glucuronidase Binding Protein

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's the one i found

it might help if we knew the context of the text.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 10, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Girls Ph*ck Good??

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

http://www.netlingo.com/word/bcbg.php

These acronyms come from the French language: “Bon Chic Bon Genre” basically means good fashion sense, while “Belle Cu Belle Geulle” means nice ass, nice face. Used in English, the acronym means to either compliment someone, describe a nice looking person, or as a snide comment about someone who is stuck up.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it was a typo?

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

miles’ rambling ridiculousness gets rec’d up, but this doesn’t?

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 13, 2009 11:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not enough...

Halos Heaven posters liked this thread.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 14, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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