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Monday morning Rangers stuff

2 of 3 in Anaheim, and a tie with the BoSox for the Wild Card.  And Derek Holland is pretty good.

Evan Grant's game story is all about Derek Holland, and how he threw his fastball for strikes until the Angels started getting aggressive, and then mixed in his secondary pitches.

And ditto Jeff Wilson's game story, which leads off with something that had slipped my mind...Holland only needed 96 pitches for his complete game shutout yesterday.  Just an amazing game.

Ron Washington says that Julio Borbon will be the Rangers' leadoff hitter if he makes the team in 2010.  Meanwhile, Nelson Cruz hopes his ankle will be improved to the point where he'll be able to play later this week against Cleveland.

Tim Cowlishaw has a rather remarkable column up today about how he stopped drinking three months ago:

I watched the Cowboys lose to the Eagles, 44-6, last December from my room at Parkland Hospital after suffering a fractured skull of undetermined origin.  

When Josh says he's foggy on the details of his drinking in Arizona, I'm right there with him in the fog. How I got into an ambulance to go to Parkland will remain one of my life's little mysteries.

That's what happens when you have a blood alcohol level of .26. 

 Bob Sturm, meanwhile, says these pictures are going to cost Hamilton some money, and make it a lot less likely he signs a long-term deal with Texas.



 

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That Cowlishaw article was shocking

Good perspective though.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 10, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

shocking yes

but its heartening to know that he’s also fighting as hard as he can through it and can shed a little perspective on it…

After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL

by MayurP on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

From Olney blog:

And so the Rangers wake up Monday tied for the wild-card lead with Boston, at a time when the talented Derek Holland seems to be figuring it out. He was excellent against the Angels on Sunday, Jeff Wilson writes, and Benjamin Lerner of ESPN Stats & Information explains why he won:

(A) He threw first-pitch strikes to 24 of 31 batters (77.4 percent).
(B) He retired the leadoff hitter in every inning.
© He threw strikes at a clip of 76 percent (63.5 percent previously this season).
(D) He had a good fastball, averaging 94.1 mph (92.9 mph previously), and the Angels were just 3-for-19 against it.

From the Elias Sports Bureau: Holland became the first rookie to shut out the Angels with as few as three hits and as many as eight strikeouts in the Angels’ 49-year history. In fact, no rookie had shut out the Angels, period — regardless of the hits and strikeouts totals — since Chris Carpenter tossed a three-hit, 2-0 victory for the Blue Jays, fanning four, in 1997.

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by willamos2 on Aug 10, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

He retired the leadoff hitter in every inning.

I wonder how many times that has happened for the Rangers.

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by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Several Things

1) I don’t know why yesterday’s game matters since the Rangers aren’t going to catch the Angels or Red Sox anyway.

2) I think Hamilton’s abysmal hitting is far more likely to have an impact on his time in Texas than a bad night in January. Just my opinion.

by pblack on Aug 10, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

"I don’t know why yesterday’s game matters since the Rangers aren’t going to catch the Angels or Red Sox anyway."

They have caught the Red Sox in the Wild Card. And, may I add, are currently playing way better baseball than the Sox.

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

by Bob Loblaw on Aug 10, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

sarcasm, yo

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by willamos2 on Aug 10, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

if that's the case, then "whoops"

but I feel like I should reiterate the fact that the internet is not a very good medium for sarcasm.

Furthermore, with the crazy shit some people post on here (like the fork being stuck in the Rangers with 1/3 of a seaon left to play and only a couple of games out of 1st), you never know….

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

by Bob Loblaw on Aug 10, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

All things considered

can you think of a better start than yesterday’s?

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 10, 2009 10:16 AM CDT reply actions  

just one

Don Larsen’s

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by willamos2 on Aug 10, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sickel's preseason blurb on Holland...
4) Derek Holland, LHP, Grade B+: He’s great, but I worry that sometimes a step backward can follow such a breakout. Can he maintain late-season velocity?

Well? What’s the verdict on that question?

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

It probably helped that the game was in Anaheim

where the temperature was 78 rather than the 98 it would have been in Arlington. I’m pretty sure the 20 degree swing translates to less wear and tear on a pitcher during the game.

by twinkilling on Aug 10, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even a fastball that averages 92.9

is above average for starters. In fact, Roy Halladay’s avg. FB is 92.9, which is 17th among MLB qualifiers.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

x

Very little made me more amused yesterday than John Lackey completely freaking the fuck out repeatedly.

by FuturePants on Aug 10, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah that made me laugh

He was so overboard half the time I thought it was a bit.

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

The best was when he mouthed what looked like

“The bum better catch the fucking ball” After Abreu caught a fly out. That was after he dropped the German fly ball.

by AceJC on Aug 10, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't figure out if I want the Rangers to go all-in on Lackey this offseason.

One minute he’s acting like a baby, the other he sounds like a prima donna, but he’s really, really good. Then there’s the financial matter being that he probably will want something like a 7-year contract, and he will be 31 when the 2010 season starts.

I, of course, want the Rangers to strengthen the top of their rotation. So, OT1H, I just can’t see myself with anything but feelings of embarrassment toward his tantrums if he were on the mound, and it seems like his attitude is quite a bit different from the character of this team right now. OTOH, he can’t be worse than what the Rangers had in Padilla, and the performance benefits are likely to be much higher in Lackey’s case.

One thing is for sure, if the Rangers do pursue him, he’ll have to get his fat butt off the couch during the offseason. Dana Torres may like one packs. Nolan has higher expectations for fitness.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I'd rather target a TORP for 2011 once Millwood is gone

although I fully admit I was down with getting Lackey or Haren (or both) before the season started, which was also before Ranger financial problems came to light and before Millwood looked like a decent pitcher consistently.

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by willamos2 on Aug 10, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

to me...

you just summed up why it would be silly for us to target him at all

by Horns130 on Aug 10, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hamilton....

I doubt this Hamilton incident makes it much less likely the Rangers will go long-term on Hamilton. It might cost him some guaranteed money, as the Rangers would probably be wise to put some sort of sobriety clause in his contract that would be the equivalent of injury protection.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Hamilton

Hopefully they weren’t going to tie him up long-term before the Arizona incident, but that was just futher reinforcement as to why they shouldn’t.

Sturm has it right. Go year-to-year with him.

by Darrell McKown on Aug 10, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is arb eligible

for the first time this winter. it will be interesting to see how the negotiations go.

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by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate this,

but it’s right. It’s the only right business decision. Go year to year through the arb years I guess, as long as he’s a “good teammate”, then let him go. The realist in me says he may not even make it that far.

by bhudson on Aug 10, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

And, even if he does make it that far, there’s still the question what his prior drug usage has done to his longevity. He’ll be about 32 when he’s first free agent eligible, and I don’t think you want to tie him up with big money through his age 36 or 37 season.

by Darrell McKown on Aug 10, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hamilton

I think this winter is the time to try and lock him up at least through his arbitration years. Hes had a down year so his initial arbitration value will be lower than first thought. Remember we were speculating 7 mil or so is what he’d get before the season started now its looking more in the 3-5 million range.

But if he explodes back to his 2008 self next year he could be looking at somewhere near 9+ million. He’s not a guy that I figure the Rangers are ever going to non-tender so there is really no risk in locking him up. Remember arbitration can only go down a certain percentage but can go up as much as the judge rules.

I think if you offered him a 3/20 deal this winter it would do the trick. Maybe do a 2 million signing bonus with salaries of 4 mil, 6 mil, and 8 mil. Or even no signing bonus with salaries of 5 mil, 6 mil, 9 mil.

Cost certainty is a huge thing for alot of teams especially us going through a potential sale. I think that would be a good starting block for negotiations.

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by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think the pictures will cost him as much money

as his performance. but they certainly do not help

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- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers

by gossamer on Aug 10, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Cowlishaw

THAT guy had a drinking problem?

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 10, 2009 10:24 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Please tell me Al in Garland isn't a poster here.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

No shit

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009

by boomer1 on Aug 10, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad

I got through that whole “Drinking until you black out phase” alive. I know there were nights in college where I woke up and had no idea how I got to where I was.

Glad to hear Cowlishaw is past it.

"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers

by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe this explains

All his shitty ideas?

(seriouslt though, congrats to Tim)

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Past It?

He said “three months without a drink.”

I saw him Memorial Day Weekend drinking at Idle Rich. And at the Loon about a month before that.

by FuturePants on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

So two and a half months then?

End of May, June, July, and the first part of August

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by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

So Borbon has been annointed our 2010 leadoff hitter

After two MLB starts.

Am I the only one kind of unenthusiastic about this?

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Nope

If he’s a disaster the rest of this year and in ST, they will just change there mind.

by Coolbean04 on Aug 10, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Borbon was a disaster yesterday in that role.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then I guess we ought to cut him now.

Or at least keep him as far away from the leadoff spot as we can for the rest of his time in Texas. After all, that one game is undoubtedly indicative of how he’ll perform the rest of his career if allowed to litter the leadoff spot with his foul presence.

Yeesh.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Athos

Borbon has a future in The Show but he demonstrated yesterday that he’s not ready to play in a game like that.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

My one fear is that Josey Wales and John Sickels are the same person.

From Sickels’ preseason Rangers prospect rankings:

9) Tommy Hunter, RHP, Grade C+: He was rushed, but could still be a nice strike-throwing inning eater. Could rank as high as 12th if you want guys close to the Show.

Emphasis was added by me.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could just mean that both were way too impressed with ...

Kevin Costner in Bull Durham.

I guess if you speak the lingo that somehow inflates your credibility … at least it appears that way from the viewpoint of the speaker.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't underrate the possibility

that I know writing the term “The Show” pisses off vast segments of LSB.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because that's what Michael Young would do

Piss off Ranger fans

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say it pisses people off necessarily ...

though I’m sure it evokes a ton of eye-rolling and slow head shaking.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahaha! that's it EXACTLY!!!

it like when my dad calls on the phone and has nothing in particular that he wants to discuss. The very same reaction!

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

by Bob Loblaw on Aug 10, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind that kind of call

from a close family member. In fact, I cherish them.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should clarify

when he does it 5 times a week and the conversation keeps going “So….what else are you doing? Nothing, huh? Me too.” Does that make me look like less of an asshole? I just meant the eye rolling and the slow head shaking part…….

"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"

by Bob Loblaw on Aug 11, 2009 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's a bit different

your dad sounds like he needs a hobby or some more friends.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 11, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least he'll better hitting leadoff than, say, ....

Brad Wilkerson?

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by chrisR on Aug 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

He did have a 9-pitch at bat

that resulted in a single in the 7th. He should NOT have been hitting leadoff yesterday, but it’s a bit much to say he shouldn’t have been playing at all.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yesterday was a day that Wash should have stuck with this 2B leading off

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by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Possible and If are also in the story...much ado about nothing.

Leading off in his 2nd appearance ever? Not a great idea, but not abysmal either.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh, 1-5 with a run scored... yeah, THAT is a disaster

Was it good enough? Nope.. But c’mon – “disaster” is drama queen talk..

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by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

What actually qualifies as a disaster?

I would say grounding into a double play 3 times and going hitless in 2 other ABs. 8 outs in 5 ABs would be a disaster IMO. 4 outs in 5 ABs, not so much.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

He needs a 100 games right?

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by boomer1 on Aug 10, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not surprised, but I'm also not too excited about it

I think too much is made of what you want from a leadoff hitter and the bottom line should be if the guy can hit or not.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too much is made of speed.

What you really want at leadoff is really a guy who can reach base consistently, since he gets the most PA’s per game. Obviously you’d like that guy to be an able baserunner, but track meet speed shouldn’t be a requirement or an automatic shoe-in.

Ron clearly has an “Old School” boner for hitting his speediest guys leadoff, regardless of whether they get on base worth a shit (see Arias, Joaquin and Kinsler, Ian). That’s becoming one of my biggest peeves with his assinine lineup construction. I hate to think what it’ll be like if Borbon turns out to be Willy Taveras or something.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too much is made of batting order period.

But yeah, if you’ve read Moneyball, Wash fucking OBSESSES over speed and stealing bases in that book.

by philkid3 on Aug 10, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speed is a good thing

Not to diminish the importance of getting on base, but the difference between a .340 OBP and a .360 OBP over the course of a 600 AB season boils down to getting on base just 2 more times per month. Significant? Yes, but probably less so than most would have thought.

A base stealer can get himself into scoring position without benefit of a hit or an out. A guy that can steal 40 bases a year is the equivalent of a guy that can contribute 40 doubles to the offense and that same guy makes a better hitter out of the guys that follow him in the order when he’s on base. With a basestealing threat on base, the pitcher has to throw from the stretch and many will also go to a slide step in an effort to prevent the runner from stealing. Both of those actions make most pitchers less effective than if they were able to use their full windup. It’s also more likely that the hitter is going to see more fastballs with a speedy runner on base in front of him. That allows the hitter to sit on the fastball and should increase his chances to make good contact.

So, for the purpose of selecting a lead-off hitter, give me the guy with the .340 OBP that can steal 40 bases over the guy with a .360 OBP that can’t..

by twinkilling on Aug 10, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speed also induces errors

though that’s less a less tangible item…

by bhudson on Aug 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well stated

imo, lsj has actually managed to undervalue speed

by Horns130 on Aug 10, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although in this case

The .360 OBP is likely to be a much more efficient base stealer at stealing 30 bases a season over the guy with the lower OBP who might get you 50 but with more CS.

And in general, you are minimizing the impact of the CS.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wash said "What the heck?"

when trying to figure out where to put Borbon in the line-up.

How the hell are we tied for the Wild Card on August 10?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying that this is the case, but

Maybe the manager getting paid to be one of 30 managers in the league knows more than the dudes spending all their time on a baseball blog

by BuckyB on Aug 10, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yet you bitch about Ian leading off...

Pick one, you can’t have both.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about neither.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who's left?

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Murphy?

I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.

by DerekSTheRed on Aug 10, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of our current roster, Murphy vs. righties, Elvis vs. lefties.

Just to clarify, I won’t have a problem with Borbon at leadoff if he proves he can maintain an OBP around .360 in the majors. But until he does, hitting him leadoff doesn’t make any more sense than it does Elvis vs. RHP’s.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

So give the guy a chance

He got to bat lead off in the bigs for one game and you’re calling him a leadoff failure. He couldn’t lay off Lackey’s curve to save his life, but he’ll learn. The guy isn’t going to come right out of AAA and hit 1.000.

Ron already said he doesn’t want Elvis leading off. Nothing we can do about that one.

Give the kid 7 starts. If his OBP is less than .320, drop him down. That would also coincide with Kinsler coming off the DL. He sucks, put Ian in. If he’s at .350, put Ian down at the 3 or 4 spot. Everyone’s a winner.

by AceJC on Aug 10, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't say he was a failure

Just that he shouldn’t be batting leadoff yet.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, exactly

i mean, who is gonna be there instead? Personally i think Borbon can put up a .340+ on base % next year, I dont know if others will agree with this. If he can put up a .340 On Base %, He’s gonna be a solid enough option with his speed.

by Kambala7 on Aug 10, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would just rather have Kinsler

He should be putting up a .340+ OBP next season and is good for 30 stolen bases himself. And IMO, he’ll be doing much better than a .340 OBP next season

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kinsler

needs to be in the middle of the order.

by bdavison94 on Aug 10, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

dont overreact to a game

he’s a better on base option than Kinsler is right now and Kinsler needs to be hitting 4th or 5th anyways. Borbon has a better chance to put up a higher OBP than Elvis, who else are we gonna put there?

by Kambala7 on Aug 10, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Let him acclimate and get it going. Forget about comps, he’s what ya got (in terms of looking ahead). Microscopic samples won:t tell tou much.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

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~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Aug 10, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was an odd thing to say.

THough I don’t believe that it will actually happen. Didn’t Wash say Cruz would be our clean-up hitter during the off-season last year? Yet he hasn’t been in that role all that often this year, even when he was the most logical one to be there still.

by Mike E on Aug 10, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Wash says a lot of things.

Like Cruz is going to clean up, Teagarden is going to play more, Borbon wasn’t called up to sit on the bench the first time….

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Might have been discussed in the other thread

But Face grabbing Holland’s face at the end of the game is kind of funny

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That's at least twice he's done it

I like it too.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's at the bottom of the other thread

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by willamos2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Define other thread

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry

DSheppard had one at the bottom of the 62-48 thread but he must have deleted it because now it just shows up with a “photobucket error” jpeg.

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by willamos2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, I tried to pull that up earlier, thanks.

I shall berate him into reposting it :)

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Found this in Drew's photobucket

Courtesy of DSheppard.

Hope he doesn’t mind me reposting it.

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Aug 10, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

awesome

Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100. - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

by Ryin A on Aug 10, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holland looks a little concerned just before MY grabs his face.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha...

MY needs to stop smacking around the Rangers young pitchers.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 10, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had to go to the Ballpark to exchange some tickets for next week ...

and a camera crew caught me as I was leaving. Based on the questions the “reporter” was asking, they obviously wanted to get somebody to say Josh is a big hypocrite and hadn’t really deserved the accolades he’s received for overcoming his addiction. They seemed a bit shocked when I told them I didn’t think the incident was anybody’s business except Josh’s and Josh’s family’s. They seemed even more shocked when I told them, in response to their question, that the team ought to do nothing about the incident.

Honestly, this notion that many folks still have that it’s their right to be kept informed and have input on how a person lives their private life is disturbing. Mind your own damned business. If Josh’s conduct merits any kind of retribution, its only source should be from his family.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I hope you worked in the phrases

" the show " and " taking the bump". They confer instant credibility

by BEW on Aug 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I bet you won't be on the air...

They will cut out anyone that doesn’t say something in line with what they are pushing…..

by death of the cool on Aug 10, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

At this time last year, Holland was in A ball

Freakin Really?!?!?!

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

He appeared in 4 games at Frisco, so I'd guess the callup was later than July.

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by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Called up on 8/13, so Rodney is just under the wire...

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by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kinda goes to show just how fast they moved him this year

One start in AAA and then bam, you’re a panic-callup that gets yoyoed back and forth between the pen and the roto for the better part of the summer…. if this was Volquez, he’d have had a nervous breakdown by now.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or Juan Dominguez

Very talented but a mental midget.

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by boomer1 on Aug 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, the org ruined him by punishing him...

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by bking on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

...for being a mental midget

:)

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by boomer1 on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wish I could remember who it was...

over at the old NMLR forum that was screaming from the highest mountain that everything that went wrong for him was the Rangers mistreating him.

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by bking on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I remember that guy

Sure it was all the Rangers fault

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by boomer1 on Aug 10, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was me, bking

and I have no problem admitting it although it’s not like the Rangers got over on Billy Beane by taking Rheinecker for him.

Wanna discuss your constant fellating of Tom Hicks back in the day over at NMLR?

Pretty freaking embarrassing a few years later although you can never say you weren’t warned by Josey Wales.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're still a lying sack of shit about that.

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by bking on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, bking.

The Big 3 Tom Hicks defenders over there were wufdog, The Arkansas Blowhard (Hodson) and yourself.

Almost every day you would defend what he was doing despite what was happening to the team – and then you went away.

I was wrong on Juan Dominguez (although nobody came out ahead on how that situation was resolved) and you were dead wrong on Tom Hicks.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are getting him mixed up with...

…Lynn Foster/Kaiser Soze, who is wufdog’s lapdog.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

wufdog

has a few lapdogs over there (do people owe him money or their jobs for his existence?) but no, bking was an ardent supporter of Tom Hicks back in the day.

I said the Rangers would 73 games this year, that Elvis was going to be a fucking disaster and that the Cleveland Indians were going to play in the World Series this year.

Sometimes you swing and miss – it’s baseball – but you should never deny your strikeouts and instead should learn from them.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

should be

“would win 73 games…”

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Josey

Are you a Cowboy’s fan?

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by Pocket Ninja on Aug 10, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just wondering

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by Pocket Ninja on Aug 10, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not passionate fan for any team

but I do like to bet NFL more than anything else.

Not being passionate about a team helps your objectivity.

Bet with your head, not your heart.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part of doing that is knowing which player has the make-up to handle it

Based on what JD was talking about at Newberg Night, it seemed like part of the plan was to manage his innings for the year by keeping him in the bullpen for parts of the season and avoid dedicating a stretch of time to where he was just completely shut down. He was talking about how they wanted their guys to always be pitching and not have a month off or anything like that.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's been mentioned before. They wanted Feliz and Holland to contribute late in the year.

On the make-up angle… it seems that has been getting a fair amount of weight in the type of player the Rangers have been drafting (and maybe signing in the international FA market?) since about 2004.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

And everyone is so knee-jerky about it.

As if they were a career baseball man, or a pitching coach, or a scout, or a manager, etc.

I think it’s pretty obvious by Holland’s performance lately that they knew what the hell they were doing.

And face it, we’re just a bunch of trogs bitching about something we really have no experience in.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of questionable things this team has done

But in the end, I do have faith in them at least having a good plan with what they are doing most of the time. The results speak for themselves. The Rangers know what they’re doing with these young players.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that yo-yoing seems to be really devastating Holland this year...

I’m wondering when everyone will admit that perhaps the Rangers have a bit of a clue about how they want to bring this kid (and others) along. We all can find individual head-scratching decisions, but doesn’t it warrant mentioning that the overall approach seems sound?

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

From your keyboard to my LCD...

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it was a panic callup

I think it was planned. It happened the day or two after the cutoff for acruing a full season of service time. How convenient

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obv to most...

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any good video links to Holland yesterday?

I missed the g/d game at work and all the networks somewhat ignored his performance yesterday. I want to show my fiance the full wrath of the Dutch Oven.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Aug 10, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Just picture in your mind

Holland throwing a 96mph FB on the inside corner at the knees to completely tie up Vlad and end the game with a K. It is not a dream. It was reality yesterday in Anahiem.

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by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lets not get carried away. :)

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by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why does Norm attract such stupid callers?

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

The caller is not articulating his thoughts with clarity and Norm

is very, very protective of Hicks.

This is an organization that has done a lot of stupid shit in the last 11 years.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I use to like Norm a lot more.

But lately he seems like he thrives on tying slow-witted callers up in knots. He’s like a parody of a bad Perry Mason cross.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 10, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Get the hell off the air.

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mortar Forker

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who else would listen to him in the first place?

He’s been a bore since his days calling games for HSE.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

not many options if you want to lidten to sports talk

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by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he's the best option there is ...

then everyone he’s competing with ought to go shoot themselves as they’ve clearly fallen below the Mendoza line of sports talk in the DFW area.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now Norm says

he didn’t want to interject race into the Josh situation but acknowledges he would have been treated differently if he was white.

Bullshit, Norm.

DFW gave Roy Tarpley about 157 chances to get his shit together and it was because he was 7 foot , 250 lbs and was capable of putting up 25 points / 15 boards a game.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The casual fan loved TO until half-way through last season.

Dallas area fans want winners and will put up with a lot of crap if you’re a winner. It doesn’t matter what your skin color is.

I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.

by DerekSTheRed on Aug 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo...

If you’re performing on the field and taking care of business by winning games, sports fans in North Texas couldn’t care less what you do off the field/court/diamond…

by N41D on Aug 10, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree

Not to go all Johnny Cochran, but it’s not about white; it’s about contrite. Contrition and humility after any publicly reprehensible action, whether genuine or not, will usually earn an athlete his or her weight in forgiveness.

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

i miss Merle Harmon

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by willamos2 on Aug 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Carlton?

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by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

He’s the white Lefty Grove.

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Aug 10, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be happy with the new Jon Lester.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Close your eyes and imagine it is 2012

The rotation looks like this:

Holland
Feliz
Perez
Main/Cwun/Ross
Hunter

Or some version of that.

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by boomer1 on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Need to add a FA or trade in there for an Ace, then I'm really, really excited.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Holland or Feliz should be your Ace by then

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by boomer1 on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 aces....

Me likey.

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Ryin A on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about just next year --

Sheets
Millwood
Holland
Feliz
Hunter

POW!!!!

She say she are the manager.

by rockin_rangers on Aug 10, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

Feliz probably won’t start the season in the rotation. But yeah.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Feldman the forgotten man....

2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009

by boomer1 on Aug 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

no kidding

Scott Feldman is Rodney Dangerfield.

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by willamos2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that's the case, I'd like to party with Scott Feldman.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 10, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously...

I love me some Hunter..

But Feldman has done a bang-up job this year, and has shown significant improvement over last year, with a much different mix of pitches (FB% down from 64% to 50%, CT% up from 13% to 30%) plus higher velocity across all of his pitches.

Over 119 starting IPs, he’s racked up 2.2 WAR. (He has -.25 WAR as reliever for a total of 1.9)

Hunter has been impressive, don’t get me wrong, but Feldman isn’t the replacement level scrub that people keep pegging him as.

by Trickman on Aug 10, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just as important, Hunter has options.

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"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

there is no reason for Hunter to be in AAA at this point…

by Horns130 on Aug 10, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Works for me

This team is going to be very good for several years.

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by boomer1 on Aug 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd really rather just tell Sheets no

and go after a DH who can rake. The rotation is full, and for the first time I can remember it looks like it could be special from top to bottom at the start of a season. I’d rather find ways to fix this offense than screw with guys who are doing their jobs well.

Millwood
Feldman
Holland
Hunter
Feliz (or Nippert to start the season if you really want to ‘Longoria’ Feliz)

I don’t even think there would be that much discrepancy in performance between Sheets and Feliz/Nippert. I’d much rather spend my money elsewhere. We could always get a LH reliever who can get LH hitters out.

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by willamos2 on Aug 10, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you want to "Longoria" Feliz

then you can’t call him up until ~July next year due to the service time he is accruing this year.

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by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Insert

Feldman instead of Feliz and I think that’s about right…hopefully we sign Sheets and he’s able to return to form.

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by Pocket Ninja on Aug 10, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

boooooo

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Mr. Feldman is Adam's new Michael Young.

He’s never going to forgive him for not being as shitty as many thought he would be.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

If you recall, the offseason prior to 2008, when so many people wanted him dropped to make room on the 40 man roster, I said that was foolishness.

I think he’s a nice back of the rotation starter…but if you sign Sheets, Feldman is superfluous, and I think he has more trade value than he has value to the Rangers right now.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

until SPs start getting hurt

and the Rangers have to give Mendoza a start

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by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah guys who give you 6 quality innings every 5 days are superfluous

Especially when you are signing a guy who may only give you 100 innings, albeit 100 top notch innings

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not dumb

If you think Feldman is not going to be able to maintain his current level of production. If Feldman is a flash in the pan (think Ryan Drese) then trading him at his highest possible value in the offseason makes a lot of sense. I don’t agree with that, but that doesn’t mean it’s dumb

I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.

by DerekSTheRed on Aug 10, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of the time we sold Chris Young, not to bring up the past,

but he seems like a good comp for my argument. Lets sell him high and replace him with an injury prone pitcher who is older and will cost more.

For what reason? Cause we think we are selling high on him. Feldmen won’t bring back a huge return, maybe a good bat, but why get rid of any pitcher that is doing really good. It doesn’t make sense and it’s dumb.

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by NYTXFAN on Aug 10, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not advocating trading Feldman for an Eaton-type

And I’m not saying move Feldman because you’re selling high on him.

I’m saying you look at trading him, particularly if you are signing a Sheets or adding some sort of legit TORP, because along with Sheets and Millwood, you’ve got Hunter and Holland who you probably want to go with in the rotation next year, and you’ve got Feliz you expect to be in the rotation at some point in 2010, and you’ve got Harrison and Hurley coming back, along with Moscoso and Kiker and whomever else in the minors coming up.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope Hurley makes it back.

He’s always been a favorite of mine and the few starts he got to make before his arm blew up he really showed some flashes of ability.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally

I think you have to put Hurley in that “if he makes it back, that’s great, but we can’t plan on it” category. Basically, use him as a bullpen arm that can start if one of our starters gets injured. If he seizes the spot, more power to him, but after the shoulder injury, he wouldn’t be in my planning.

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by DJCahill on Aug 10, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, but I’m still hoping it turns out better.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Probably lean towards Hunter. And I think Feldman probably has more trade value.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get the trade value part of it,

but what could selling feldman really bring to this team? I think once Millwoods gone I’d be okay with a Feliz Holland Felman Hunter add a name from the long list of pitchers we have now and coming up.

Unless Feldman can bring a premium piece back you don’t sell. And I’m not talking a Delmon Young top prospect type(look how that trade looks now for the Twins) or an Eaton type deal, but rather a proven major leaguer.

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by NYTXFAN on Aug 10, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well that's what Im saying Adam,

If he can bring a premium “major leaguer” back then I guess I would but I don’t see why you would do that. We need and always will need good pitchers here.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Aug 10, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't Hunter have more trade value?

Younger and under control longer.

There isn’t much difference performance wise between the two and with our glut of guys coming up I would rather trade Hunter to ease that glut somewhat.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

ditto steve

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by NYTXFAN on Aug 10, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it depends on who you are dealing with

Feldman has a longer track record and may be looked at as the safer bet, thus making him more valuable.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different type of pitchers

Young’s success was built on deception with his stuff. Feldman actually has some solid pitches to use. Like I’ve said before, now that Feldman has a go to pitch with that cutter, lets see if he can continue to improve his fastball command which will help all of his stuff play up and give the Ks a bump up to make everyone happy

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two years now

With no increase in his K rate.

Expecting him to get his K rate up around 6 at this point is wishful thinking.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 10, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

He could probably get

his K rate up in the NL.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
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Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's been a starter how long?

He’s increased his stamina from last year to this year whats to say he can’t increase his strikeout numbers from this year to next year and so on?

With the stuff he has I think all he needs is a little refinement and to focus on striking guys out and he’ll be able to do it. The problem I believe is the Rangers don’t want him to focus on striking guys out, they want him to focus on getting weak contact (which he does very well).

Hes out of options so he doesn’t have the luxury of focusing on an aspect of his game at the expense of his overall performance. if he goes out trying to strike out the world and in the process gives up a bunch of runs then theres nowhere to go except the waiver wire.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's only been a starter now for 2 years with a completely new style of pitching

He’s improved his control a bit this year and he’s gotten a go to pitch with the cutter now. I think that if he can control his fastball a bit more, he’s going to be able to improve that K/9 to a more respectable rate while further improving his K/BB. Lets just see what if he can take another step forward for next season before selling off a major part of our rotation.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 10, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

This and bigsteve's comment

just wishful thinking.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 11, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

McCarthy.

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Ichabod give up

4 runs / 5 hits in one inning of a rehab start over the weekend?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a joke.

And yes he did.

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 10, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

With new and "improved" mechanics apparently.

Hopefully we can scrounge a serviceable reliever out of him at this point.

by Trickman on Aug 10, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aubrey Huff cleared waivers, hmmm?

I used to live right behind his HS…too bad I never saw him then.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Huff

You used to live in White Settlement? I spent a fair bit of time there in my teenage years- I grew up in Benbrook.

Officially gay for Neftali Feliz

by RCCook on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, off Cherry Lane.

And Las Vegas Tr, and Williams Rd in Benbrook. My best buddy lives in Benbrook still.

Had to be close to work back then.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

What schools did you go to?

My dad was the principal at Castleberry Middle School for a while, way, way, after you were gone I’m sure.

Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.

by Aqua on Aug 10, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was already out of school by then

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

I lived in White Settlement but I graduated from Castleberry because my mother was a teacher there.

I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.

by DerekSTheRed on Aug 10, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

racist!

j/k

The name “White Settlement” makes me giggle…i remember that they were trying to change it

by death of the cool on Aug 10, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

what happened with that? Did it get voted down?

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 10, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

That’s up here in my neck of the woods. Ironically, Whiteright had a pretty decent sized black population.

What was really out of line was a welcome sign the city of Greenville had back in the day. Greenville sits on the western edge of the black land prairie (which was the kind of soil that cotton was primarily grown in during the 19th century). Supposedly, the sign said something along the lines of: “Welcome to Greenville: The blackest land and the whitest people!”

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

My health and work performance

are very glad that damnable West Coast trip is over.

Yay CST games!

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

We really need to take care of buisness in this Cle series.

because we will be gaining ground on someone everytime we win with the TB/LAA series

LAA has now lost 4 of 6…..just saying

by death of the cool on Aug 10, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Imagine this

We started the week 3.5 games behind Boston.

Adam stuck a fork in us (again).

We lost three out of four to Oakland (including a sledgehammer to the nutsack loss in Game 1)

Cruz got hurt & AJones as well.

Salty went Mackey Sasser on us.

We had a starting pitcher get DFA’d.

Not so flattering pics of Josh surfaced on the internet.

Thru all that, a week later we gained those 3.5 games back and are now tied with Boston for the Wild Card.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

philkid

We had some nice unexplainable walk-offs ourselves – see Chris Davis two-run bombski off Morrow in early May.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Aug 10, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to remember

Hunter and Holland from this week.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Holland:

I’m really hoping that he sucked a lot of their confidence from the bats

I’d love to see the team enter a Rangers-of-July-type offensive drought

by BuckyB on Aug 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would rather LA lose all 3

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 10, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Teagarden.

It’s been fun watching him this last week while Salty’s been on the shelf. In these 5 games in a row that he’s started, he’s been on base in every game and, in spite of a .235 average, has an OPS of .997. I certainly hope he sees more playing time down the stretch.

by Athos on Aug 10, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

that will regress

TT looks like shit at the plate and then has one good AB a game

you cant look like a fuckin 12 year old girl for 3 abs and then have 1 good one

TT is just flat out terrible right now

by Horns130 on Aug 10, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

I love how because of that homerun people forget the other at bats where he couldn’t hit a 92 mph fastball right down the pipe. Or yesterdays game where it was a 90 mph fastball right down the pipe he fanned on all day.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 10, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lackey's updated numbers vs Rangers:
11.1 IP 17 H 11 R 9 ER 1 HR 4 BB 14 K 7.15 ERA 1.85 WHIP .333 BAA

Bwahaha

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 10, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

The point when I fell for Julio

This may be sub-fanshot..

I went back over Julio’s ABs this year: he’s swung on low FBs out of the zone a couple times…

But it’s the hard slider (if I’m naming it right) that’s killed him.

Here’s his first game…

June 29
Roll up to 05:00 (K, slider inside)
~
Now here’s yesterday…

August 9
And the outcomes of his ABs:

00:17 (K, slider)
02:32 (K, slider)
05:25 (K, slider inside)

Looks familiar.

And then…

08:42 (1B, slider)

[His last AB was K on a FB up…we’ll see how those progress.]

Anyway, very SSS. But opponents have fed him inside breaking stuff, occasionally over the plate, and he’s served up the Ks.

But then yesterday.

Did anyone else notice that AB?

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by hightowersmith on Aug 10, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Look at the first post

in yesterday’s post-game thread. That at bat was solid all the way around.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 10, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

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