This Day in LSB History
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 11, 2009 3:02 PM CDT
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Today, 3 years ago, we talked about Brad Wilkerson, and why I thought the Rangers would bring him back in 2007 despite a terrible 2006 season.
As it turns out, they did bring him back, and he was still terrible in 2007.
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Brad Wifferson.
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 11, 2009 3:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I hated that bastard.
I thought it be all warm and shitty, but it just tasted like normal beer. It was still cold.
by RA Dickey on Aug 11, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Brad the all time example
of high OBP not translating across leagues?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 11, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He loved him some..
called third strikes.
"Everybody wants the most they can possibly get for the least they can possibly do." - Todd Snider
by henryfinkel on Aug 11, 2009 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whiffy McWhifferson and Phil Nevin
What were we thinking?
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That
we were too chickenshit to move Soriano from 2B and that we had to dump CHP?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 11, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
Wilkerson was a better hitter than Soriano in 2004 and 2005, the two years before we traded for him, and he was cheaper than Soriano.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 11, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Wilkerson
basically damaged goods when we traded for him?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 11, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano and Position Change
I thought the Rangers did raised a bunch of concerns about Wilkerson’s shoulder because the Nats were not getting anything in writing about Soriano’s position change.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 11, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nats didn't need anything
in writing about the position change.
It’s the basic agreement, if he doesn’t field the position the manager puts him at, he is in violation of his contract. I think Soriano tried to hang tough at 2B until his agent told him the facts of life. He doesn’t play where the manager wants him, he gets suspended, he doesn’t accrue service time, and he doesn’t become a free agent.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a horrible situation Alex Rodriguez' departure was
I mean getting what we got for him from the Yanks wasn’t a horrible return, but it would’ve been nice to have gotten some young pitching as well…then throw in the fact that we ate so much of that contract, and the Soriano departure fiasco, with that return, and wow.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 11, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
I mean getting what we got for him from the Yanks wasn’t a horrible return,
Yes, it was.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 11, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
Soriano, Spider and what?
I guess I’m just happy we got a quality major leaguer in return, where with the Soriano trade we got nothing.
Why did we make that trade, other than A-Rod wanted out? They weren’t the only ones willing to take on that amount of his salary, right? Boston and a few others?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 11, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
Soriano, Spider and what?
And nothing.
We made that trade because ARod wanted out, Tom Hicks didn’t want to pay him any more, and Buck Showalter hated him and wanted him gone.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 11, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
we got to Pay them $67 million for the privilege of dealing with the Yankees.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 11, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was
the real problem was that we turned down a much better offer from Boston to enter into that New York mess.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 11, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers turned it down,
or did Alex? I though the union prevented him from taking a salary cut to be traded to boston.
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if the Rangers eat
the salary cut, its a better deal than the Yankees deal.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 11, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was the return from Boston?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 11, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny and Lester.
Beats the hell out of paying $67 million to the Yankees for the privilige of taking ARod off our hands.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is true
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 11, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The union turned it Down. Theo Bananas
Had A press conference and announced the trade of
Red Sox Get: SS Alex Rodriguez
Rangers Get: LF Manny Ramirez
LHP Jon Lester
Sigh…
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 11, 2009 3:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
that would've been amazing.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blue Jays and "Financial Flexibility"
I cringed while watching JP talk about the financial flexibility that the Jays will get now that Rios is with the White Sox.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Aug 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Wells and Halladay
contracts are still a boat anchor.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after this season
they can trade Halladay’s contract any time they want…and I’m sure if the deal is right, the opposing team will take on Wells, too…probably with salary eaten
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 11, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd work on a deal for Halladay,
but Wells’ contract is way too much for the Rangers to take on ($100MM/5yrs IIRC), for a 30 something year old CF.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I'm thinking Yankees, Red Sox...
most certainly Mets
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 11, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevin was an attempt to shed Chan Ho
or am I wrong?
by ncrangerfan on Aug 11, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevin was a FA signing to DH, IIRC
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, we flipped bad contracts ...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Aug 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
On this day three years ago the Rangers beat the Mainers 14-7 to go one game above 500.
Here is the box score for that day.
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
G. Matthews Jr. cf 4 2 3 3 2 0 0 .319
J. Hairston Jr. cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .215
M. Young ss 4 1 1 0 1 0 5 .305
C. Lee lf 4 2 1 1 1 0 3 .338
M. Teixeira 1b 3 3 1 0 2 0 1 .285
H. Blalock 3b 5 1 2 1 0 0 0 .290
M. DeRosa rf 4 3 3 6 0 1 2 .333
M. Stairs dh 5 0 2 1 0 0 3 .266
I. Kinsler 2b 3 1 0 0 2 0 2 .299
R. Barajas c 5 1 1 0 0 1 5 .255
Totals 37 14 14 12 8 2 21
Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."
by LBBRangerFan on Aug 11, 2009 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kip Wells started that game for us
Left with an “undisclosed injury.” Was that the last game Wells, the Rangers’ big pitching acquisition at the deadline, ever pitched for us?
by Inkara1 on Aug 11, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shoot.. i was at that game. awesome.
got mclemore’s autograph, too.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on Aug 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilkerson was such a big disappointment.
I really liked the guy during his first 2 years in the league, and was happy we were getting him, even if I was underwhelmed by the return from that deal…but he just completely sucked the life out of this team for a while there.
Was it just injury that got a hold of him, or did he just suck?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 11, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wilkerson
Came with Byrd and Padilla in the Sorriano trade, correct?
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if not...
we got Termel Sledge who was with the team for like a week right? and Galarraga
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Aug 11, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilkerson, Sledge, and Gallaragga
Yep
by cmkelly29 on Aug 11, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sledge was then traded with Gonzalez and Young to the Padres.
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 11, 2009 3:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Sledge got packaged in with Young and Gonzalez
for Adam Eaton.
by cmkelly29 on Aug 11, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let us not forget Aki...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Aug 11, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOSHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where is he now? Back in Japan, or still working back from injury?
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wherever he is, I'm sure it's flat ground..
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Aug 11, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad,
I really liked him as a closer.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it is a question, dumbass.
At that time I didn’t pay much attentipon to the business side of baseball, and was only asking to be reminded what the trade deal was.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd was a Free agent signing and Padilla was in trade with the Phillies for RicRod
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Aug 11, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, thanks.
I was thinking that we got them all from the Nats, but just remembered that Byrd and Padilla came from the Phillies.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, Brad
the future answer to all 3 OF positions – lead-off hitter – OBP connoisseur – and all around nice guy.
Still can’t forget that 3-HR game he had, though.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on Aug 11, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have never felt more let down by a trade in recent memory.....
man I thought that guy would help us…
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Aug 11, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he made his debut with those goofy ass sunglasses and being Schillings bitch..
I knew he’d suck up the joint.
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 11, 2009 3:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
So to make sense of the whole thing:
Yankees get: Alex Rodriguez + a shit ton of money
Rangers get: Alfonso Soriano + Joaquin Arias
Nationals get: Alfonso Soriano
Rangers get: Brad Wilkerson, Termel Sledge, and Armando Gallaraga
Padres get: Chris Young, Adrian Gonzalez, and Termel Sledge
Rangers get: Adam Eaton + Akinori Otsuka
Tigers get: Armando Galaragga
Rangers get: Michael Hernandez
by cmkelly29 on Aug 11, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ok, that may be completely accurate AND clear...
But it STILL doesn’t make sense in hindsight….
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Aug 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But looking back on that,
who would’ve JD made the trades that could get us within striking range of the playoffs within 3 years.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Painful as it was...
that sequence helped bring an end to Hicks’ delusions of competing for a while.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Aug 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is
that as f’d up as those deals were, I never, in my wildest dreams, thought that JD would be able to get deals like the Tex to ATL teade done. Unfortunately the only casualty so far is Harrison, at least for this season.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is whatcha call
a failure cascade.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Aug 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the immortal Billy Killian in the San Diego trade
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, are you saying that out of all of that cluster f**k - all we have to show for it is ARIAS?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
by mtex on Aug 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're all trying pretty hard NOT to say that, TYVM...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Aug 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't we still have Hernandez?
And we would probably still ahve Aki if it wasn’t for the arm problems.
"Thats all we got? One goddamned hit?" - Harry Doyle
"You cant say god damn on the radio."- Colorman Monte
"Ehhh, who cares...nobody's listening!"- Harry Doyle
by awillis111 on Aug 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
by sprite on Aug 11, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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