Doug Melvin Throws a Transaction Tantrum
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 12, 2009 12:29 PM CDT
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PrintDoug Melvin is unhappy with the Brewers' play, and he's had enough, DFA'ing Bill Hall, sending J.J. Hardy down to AAA, firing pitching coach Bill Castro, and bringing Alcides Escobar and former Ranger Jason Bourgeois up to the majors.
Hall is owed $8.5 million for 2010, which the Brewers are going to have to eat. Yummy yummy.
If Esteban German hadn't gotten called up, he's someone the Rangers could have looked at (once he was released), as a 25th man who could play multiple positions and give them a righty bench bat.
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Unbelievable.
To think last year, Milwaukee looked like a force to be reckoned with (Sheets, Sabathia, Braun, Fielder, Hardy, Hall [to a lesser extent]).
Bet they’d like Nelson Cruz back.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
bet they'd like Kevin Mench back.
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
cant forget laynce nix
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
The hell I can't
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Underrated line
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
uhm wow
that almost sounds like something right out of fantasy baseball…. or a rangers game day thread
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yeah
I guess Melvin’s LSB name is “SaltyGoesYard.”
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 12, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Who was it that was advocating a Hardy for Elvis trade last winter?
Or maybe I am imagining things
I was advocating trading for Hardy...
…to give Elvis another year or two in the minors.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 12, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I just deleted a fanshot about this - here's the gist ...
Takes one back to this LSB thread from last September. A thread which contained those immortal words …
“All I gotta say is you don’t know dick about baseball.”
I occasionally get it right...
If you could swing a deal to land Hardy, then I think you can bring back either Milton Bradley or Blalock to DH, roll with Josh Hamilton in center until Julio Borbon is ready and the Murphy/Byrd/Cruz combo in the outfield corners. You’ve got one area where you are probably weak defensively — centerfield — but overall, you’ve got a strong defensive team.
So that’s my solution. Move the Face to third base, get J.J. Hardy, let Blalock or Bradley DH and not set foot on the field, and pave the way for columnists to marvel about how much better the pitching is in 2009.
We have Elvis instead of Hardy, but the bottom line is still the same.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 12, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, good stuff
At the time, I thought it was too soon to rile up face by moving him to 3rd, but if you gotta do it sign a short term FA SS like Everett instead of trading valued youth away for Hardy. But, unlike you, I believed Elvis was really close after watching him at Frisco a bunch. I think Newberg did too, but he had fostered a CW that bringing Elvis up midseason would be unhelpful for Elvis and MY. J.D. out-maneuvered everybody on this one.
Yeah
The folks who watched him and followed him had a better handle on his readiness level than those who were farther away from the situation.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 12, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
similar to feliz
(or that’s my excuse)
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
My personal stance was always that I doubted he was ready. . .
. . . but that I hoped the team knew more about it than I do and would be right.
Waddya know.
I remember thinking what a great trade that woulda been
But that was before we knew Elvis would thrive in the majors at 20… who knew
lol
Oh, I remember that one. That was frustrating.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 12, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently
you could force MY to 3B and it did have pretty dramatic improvements on our defense.
Who knew?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Did you think Elvis wasn't ready for The Show?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 12, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Bill Hall
Poster boy for the fat, dumb and happy club. Put up good numbers in 2005 and 2006, signed a 4yr deal that covers his arb years and first year of FA, puts up a decent 2007 and then sucks ever since then.
His is owed $8.4M for 2010 plus a $500K buyout for 2011. Locking young players up seems like a good idea and generally is. But there is still risk involved.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Two OT things
a.) Anyone going to Pappasito’s to EG’s watching party tonight?
b.) It seems like I remember discussions a few years back about getting LSB t-shirts to help identify us LSB Ranger addicts from other, less dedicated Ranger “fans.” If I had one, I would wear it there tonight. Was there ever any serious progress on this front?
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
Not sure if any progress happened...
…but I would once again like to express my support for this.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
AJM
Can you speak to this?
"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball
by rangerdanger on Aug 12, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Stand up and yell, "The 40-man ..."
Anybody who answers, “… trumps all!” is an LSBer.
by shroomer on Aug 12, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LSB has a dental plan now?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 12, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I support this position
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
ElectricOkra.com
At $10M?????
pass….
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
if he is DFA'd
then we can wait for him to clear and get him for the minimum right?
that being said, i have very little interest… poor man’s hank blalock, imo
No, we get him for the minimum THIS year..
Next year, we own the rest of his contract, IIRC.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
No
Milwaukee owes him for next year.
The team he signs with (after he clears waivers) only pays the league minimum (which technically reduces the amount Milwaukee has to pay).
by Darrell McKown on Aug 12, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
No offense, but how sure are you??
I used to think the same thing, but got trampled a time or two for posting that.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Very sure
Once he clears waivers, the team that cut him is on the hook for everything he’s due the remainder of the contract.
As Adam said above, “Hall is owed $8.5 million for 2010, which the Brewers are going to have to eat. Yummy yummy”.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 12, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
100%
The only way you have to take the contract is if you claim him off waivers.
by BrentTaylor21 on Aug 12, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the input..
I got corrected for thinking that way within the last week, so I was new to the idea.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
you could just research
it yourself instead of going off what some other dude with similar limited knowledge tells you. once he clears waivers he is a free agent, you could sign him for the rest of this year or for 20 years and you pay him what you agree to in your contract.
by blueballlefty on Aug 12, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Gee thanks for the decorum lesson...
Please explain where I “went off”.. My comment about not wanting him for $10M? I was wrong; I guess that makes me the only one here.
Sherman,
Please contact me so I can send you an apology cookie for shattering you.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
You don't want the tutilage of Mr. Orange Pants?
(Wife) "So what do you want to watch on the T.V.? UFC or porn?"
(Husband) "Hmm... well, porn, I guess."
That's an interesting thought
Just have the Brewers send over some money to make the dollars be exactly even.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 12, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone know if there is an Official MLB Waviers List link?
Apparently, the Rangers are claiming cheap bats, and was wondering who is on the list to claim.
Nope
It isn’t public info. It is supposed to remain confidential.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 12, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm almost thankful for this
the amount of speculation and rumors made about players being claimed by teams would be incredibly annoying and probably have about a .5% accuracy
Considering that almost all of them are pulled back right after being claimed (or a small chat with the claiming team's GM)
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
kevin mench
and jason botts
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
Esteban German
Did you mean the Brewers could have looked at him? Isn’t he up with the Rangers right now? I am confused.
He means the Rangers could've looked at Bill Hall
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 12, 2009 1:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't see how "Esteban German" should keep us from looking at Bill Hall
REALLY?? Is German really that important to our team…c’mon. I’d much rather have Bill Hall
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
My point was that...
…they are largely interchangeable.
If you have German, you don’t really need Hall.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 12, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I say that everytime!
Ron Washington...giving hope everywhere to the kids who eat lead paint chips of being a big league manager when they grow up since 2007.
before anyone else makes the joke
shouldn’t KC sign him to go with the Bannisters?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Can't believe I'm saying this...
I’m content with Esteban German. Alias: Duran
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 12, 2009 1:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I wonder
if Jamey still thinks
Doug Melvin will win championships. Somewhere else. Book it.
At the time I asked how much of that bet he wanted Book, because I was more than happy to be his huckleberry.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Even with what we can generously deem "wackiness" like this?
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Good luck with all that
unless you just mean division championships, which may happen if the division has a weak enough year.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Well, I think I said that when he was fired here. Not once he arrived in MILW. That's a tough place to win.
by Jamey Newberg on Aug 12, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The Brewers
are a mid payroll (16th highest) team with a payroll 12 million higher than ours. I’m not sure he gets hired by a high payroll team like NYY, NYM, ChiCubs, or the Red Sox. I’m not sure the Brewers are any tougher to win with than an average team.
Its not like he is on the Marlins, Padres, Pirates, or Nats where you just have zero cash to work with.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
He has actually done a really good job there
he has made good trades, and was able to stockpile really good young talent. I dont get how releasing a struggling Hall and sending down a struggling Hardy means he won’t win a championship. His team has really under performed this year and he still has them in position to make a playoff run albeit a tough one.
by blueballlefty on Aug 12, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I don't get
why this is so crazy. Releasing Hall just needed to happen…he was dead roster space. It takes balls to release a guy like that after giving him that contract, but there’s a good chance Jason will have a lot more value for that team going forward. As to the Hardy for Escobar switch, what’s the harm in seeing what a young,stud prospect can do late in the year?
I remember Billy Beane had a day like this a few years ago, either releasing or demoting 4 guys in one day, and it seemed to jumpstart the entire team.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Off this exact topic, but directly relating to our horrid offense:
“[Nick] Johnson continues to get on base almost at will as a Marlin, going 2-for-4 with two walks and three runs scored Tuesday.
Recommendation: He’s hitting .355/.553/.516 in 10 games since the trade from the Nationals, and his presence and patient approach at the top of the Marlins batting order has revitalized the club’s offense. Johnson won’t stay this hot forever, of course, but so long as the rest of the club keeps following his example they’re likely to remain in the playoff chase."
Would’ve been nice…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
The voices clamoring for him didn't want him at the top of the lineup..
He was the “high-OBP masher” we needed.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Youkah & Porcello both get 5 games
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Let's hope he starts serving these 5 games right now.
Let's hope the second half will be as good as the first half has been.
I normally hate the way they compute suspensions to starting pitchers..
but in this case I’m glad Porcello won’t have to miss a start, or one at the most.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I think its more the money aspect
he doesn’t get paid for 5 game checks
Although i agree pitchers should be punished more it would be hard to enforce especially with relief pitchers and starters being so different. Maybe make a pitchers suspension only cost 20% of a game check that way you could suspend them long enough to miss 3 or 4 starts and only dock them pay for 3 or 4 games.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Well, missing one start is still about 1/33rd of their season, which is pretty much the same as a 5 game suspension is for a position player.
If you make a pitcher miss 4 freaking starts that’s a god damn 9th of his season. That’s in freaking sane.
Missing a start is a big deal.
The real problem is that they usually don’t end up missing a start.
Because pitchers work on 5 day schedules, they usually just end up having a start pushed back a day, which still sucks, but isn’t nearly as big of a deal.
If they suspended them 5 games and gave them some sort of clause where they had to actually not make their next start until the rotation turns back over or something, that’d be fair. But I’m super sexy and brainy and even I don’t want to know how complex and annoying the enforcement of that sort of a rule would be.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 12, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm completely fine with how they suspend starters.
Missing one start is a pretty big deal. Fairly similar to missing five games from an every day player.
He does miss the "scheduled" start
but in the end, he just gets it pushed back one day.
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
So...
giving a extra day of rest to a young pitcher (who’s probably going to have his innings limited this year, anyway) is not as bad as 5 days of no Youk in the lineup for Boston.
Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.
Youk should have to stand on the mound and have helmets thrown at him for an hour
Seriously….what a bitch.
I would like to see his ass charge the mound against somebody other than a kid…and even Porcello skinny ass tossed his bitch ass around after contact.
and your going to throw your helmet at a tall skinny kid?
what a chicken shit. One of the Tigers should rearranged his face on the bottom of the pile. The piece of shit would probably look better afterwards.
by death of the cool on Aug 12, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Tommy Hunter would have done the Uke Otoshi Hand Drop
and then punched a hole in his chest.
Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100. - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
I was thinking five point exploding heart technique...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I bet Hunter wouldve charged back at Youk
Thats what im waiting for. The Farnsworth tackle a few years ago was great but im waiting for a pitcher to charge right at a guy who starts charging him
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't believe Tommy would have been doing any backpedaling.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
I bet Paul Wilson's family doesn't even talk to him anymore
that was so vicious.
Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100. - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
Porcello
What the hell was he supposed to do? Unless MLB feels like he threw at Youk intentionally, I don’t see how you can suspend a guy for defending himself from an enraged moron that is charging you.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 13, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
ON another related topic...
When the hell did Doug Melvin turn into Wilford Brimley’s brother??
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
at a ballgame??? in the bleachers????
Puh-lease
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Possibly my favorite internet pic ever.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 12, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
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