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Jeff Wilson mailbag up

Jeff Wilson has a new mailbag column up, with some questions about next year's rotation, Thomas Diamond's future, and whether Neftali Feliz needs to adjust his mechanics...

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Is Thomas Diamond

the new Justin Thompson?

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 13, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

is Tommy Hunter

what Tom Diamond should have been…?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 13, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you mean a mid rotation

innings eater then, yes. But they are different types of pitchers.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 13, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, as far as persona on the mound i guess

but obviously they are quite different pitching wise, strikeouts and all.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Aug 13, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?
What does Taylor Teagarden have to do to become the starting catcher? He calls a better game, plays better defense and gives you better at-bats than Jarrod Saltalamacchia. Is he stuck as being the back-up for the rest of the season? — DB, Albuquerque

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Aug 13, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

man

oh man

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 13, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

DB

Josey’s real initials?

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 13, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

is all italics

necessary. Made it hard to differentiate questions and answers…

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)

Hello Win Column!!!

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Aug 13, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

His answer on Andruw

Pretty groan-inducing…

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 13, 2009 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

A better answer would have been

“Are you fucking crazy? Andruw Jones is one of the more productive offensive players on this team”.

It is amazing to me how much crap AJ takes.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 13, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't get it either

The guy has been a good, cheap addition.

JD did very well on NRIs and other free talent this year.

by Darrell McKown on Aug 14, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

I’ve seen players signed to multiyear deals at $5 million per who produced a helluva lot less (I’m looking at you Cat) who didn’t take a quarter of the crap that Jones takes.

It truly boggles my mind.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 14, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

whatever you do

don’t take pitching mechanics advice from mitch williams, for crying out loud. and it’s funny that now everyone is using Lincecum’s mechanics as a model when it wasn’t that long ago that eveyone mentioned his delivery as a breakdown waiting to happen.

by SteveP on Aug 13, 2009 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

What I want to know is...

When we gon’ get some pitchin’ in here?

Officially gay for Neftali Feliz

by RCCook on Aug 13, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Just think how great we'd be doing this season...

…with Danks, Volquez, Young and Galarraga instead of these clowns.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 13, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take Danks, but I'd take what we currently have over all those other guys.

Danks instead of Nippert would be an upgrade.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Aug 13, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hold on.....

While it may be true that Danks, Volquez, Young and Galarraga wouldn’t be as good as what we have in the rotation right now, that doesn’t cover for the fact that the deals involving Danks, Young and Galarraga range from not good to absolutely horrible.

by Darrell McKown on Aug 14, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

almost right

the official Texas Rangers Media question is “when are they going to spend some MONEY and get some pitching in here?”

by mjh on Aug 13, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

Because we all know that the only way to acquire good pitching is through big free agent signings, and in fact, that’s how most of the top pitchers in baseball were acquired.

Oh, wait…

"andruw jones hits 3 HRS at LA of Anaheim last nite after hitting zero at LA of LA as Dodger in all of '08. thats nuts." SI_JonHeyman

by WestTxAg06 on Aug 14, 2009 7:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The momentum is gathering.

This team cannot be stopped. We will sweep the Red Sox this weekend.

"...like some Russian priest fresh off a bottle of potato vodka and a box of cigars." -t ball

by rangerdanger on Aug 13, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

That's what we thought about Game 1 in Cleveland

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 13, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

A guy who has shown he can't hack it anymore

One of the worst pitchers in the majors in 2009. No thanks, at some point these guys gotta know when to fold them.

by Mark from OC on Aug 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

A guy...

to play golf with his old buddy Millwood on off days?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 13, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that the results haven't been there

but tell me, honestly, after watching him pitch that he’s done.

I’ll show you a few guys in our rotation right now that he can top.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 14, 2009 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm... Like who?

I wouldn’t be against adding Smoltz to the ‘pen, but I think he’s pretty much done as a rotation answer.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 14, 2009 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

well he's got the experience in pennant race/playoffs

that only Millwood has. I wouldn’t say replace Holland or Hunter or Feldman with him, but Nippert for the rest of the year in the rotation and plug him in as one of the three rotation arms for the playoffs if he proves he still has it.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 14, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you say he's "done"?

His peripherals aren’t particularly bad.

Other “power” pitchers have made it to their mid-40s and been somewhat effective.

Randy Johnson hasn’t been a #1 or #2 in years, but he’d still be a decent #4 or #5.
And Smoltz, at the absolute worst, would simply be an upgrade over Jennings.

by Trickman on Aug 14, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

A hall of famer who was consistently good the previous... 2 decades.

Who had a terrible ERA but quality peripherals, still has good enough fastball velocity, but struggled with feel for his offspeed pitches.. something that you can get back.

Hes obviously not someone you can count on as some ace anymore, but I’d rather have him as a reliever/reserve starter than guaradado/jennings.

If the scouts agree that his problems this year were feel and not health. If they don’t, well ok move on.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Aug 13, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would rather bring back up Moscoso

He can do a lot more for the 2009 Rangers than Smoltz. I agree that Smoltz > Jennings AND Guardado combined, but Moscoso is better than Smoltz and would be a better addition to the team.

by Mark from OC on Aug 13, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moscoso looked awful in his last appearance.

His lack of control right now isn’t something I want in key innings.

And I should also say on smoltz – if he comes here and it turns out he can’t get it back, well fine, cut him and call up moscoso or whoever else you want. Even if he doesn’t have it I doubt he puts up the same 9 era and loses us several games or anything.

Anyway I’m not saying everyone has to agree that we should try to get smoltz, but I think there is certainly enough logic to justify considering it.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Aug 13, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Smoltz played infront of a sieve that allowed a .390 BABIP.

His K rate, FB%, GB%, and LD% were all reasonable. His FIP and tRA weren’t bad.

He had the opposite of Millwood’s luck with the Red Sox. The guy has enough left that he shouldn’t be thrown into a trash heap and ignored.

by Trickman on Aug 14, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

IF

he’d accept a bullpen role

by mjh on Aug 13, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

He told the Red Sox he wouldn't.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 13, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one that would prefer

Feliz starting in OKC next year till someone is injured or until he’s down long enough for us to keep him an extra year?

Three or four months without Feliz would bother a lot of people but if that’s the price that has to be paid to keep him an extra year on the back end then well, that seems like a viable option.

Am I all alone on this?

by Hull Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

you're not alone

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 13, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am totally with you.

Feliz needs to work out the arm more. Please O’ Please dont’ Dusty Baker him too soon. We have the depth this year to take our time with him. Let’s make him a true Ace with Holland and work him slowly up the ladder.

by AceJC on Aug 14, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather he start in OKC than

relieve again in the majors. He’s gong to have an issue with total innings because he hasn’t thrown much this year. Start him in OKC on a strict pitch/inning count so that when he is called up he can go six/seven without a problem. Bring him up post ASB and let him loose.

by Hull Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That can be fixed

there’s Winter league and that other league in Arizona.

Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.

by chrisR on Aug 13, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

At 21 or really any age

do you want him pitching year round? Isn’t it good for him to have a break?

by Hull Fan on Aug 14, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

to be honest

I don’t think the steady increase matters as much as not overdoing it at any stop along the way. He’s obviously developed enough to where he can handle 150 innings. Do you think that’s too much? If so, go with your plan. If not, start him out in ST and see if he can beat out the incumbents, then go from there.

I will say this: if Ben Sheets or John Lackey or any of the other higher echelon pitchers aren’t signed by this team, I want Feliz in the rotation. If not, I could afford a month or three in AAA or the pen.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Aug 14, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

His innings were limited this year

Let him loose in AAA for a couple months then bring him up to terrorize the AL.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 13, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

This will also minimize his exposure to the MLB.

It is so much harder to hit a newbie for the first time than it is to hit him the second or third time around. It’s all about the secret weapon.

by AceJC on Aug 14, 2009 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

im behind this 100%

id like to make sure we have him as a SP for the long run. People that think we should leave him in the pen dont realize how valueable he can be as a starter. Even Rivera in his best years isnt as valueable as an above average SP.

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 13, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he's ready,he's ready. Who gives a damn about an extra year of control.

If he’s one of your best pitchers breaking camp,you do not let him rot in AAA and potentially strain your relationship with the kid.

I want Winners!!!-Mike Singletary

by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 13, 2009 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Are you

going to be willing to release a couple of pitchers who are out of options to keep him on Opening Day rather than waiting a little while for the inevitable injuries that will occur?

by Hull Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be willing to roll with him over some hack like Jennings and a bunch of roster fillers.

If he’s one of your best pitchers,and if he’s going to help you win,you go with him.

by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 13, 2009 5:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Who gives a damn about an extra year of control"

Hopefully a smart GM does. Right now we already look to have plenty of guys coming up for FA around the same time which will get really expensive. Having a year of guaranteed control over such a talent is such a great thing to have.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 13, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Treat Feliz like you've treated Andrus

If he’s going to help you win,you go with him. Not keeping him down solely because you want an extra year of control. If he’s good enough,he’ll earn another contract and we won’t have to worry about an extra year of control.

by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 13, 2009 5:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Makes sense coming from the guy who doesn't have to write the checks

As it stands now we will have Davis and Andrus becoming FA at the same time. The next year we will have Hunter and Holland already. You want to add Feliz to that mix?

If keeping him down in the minors a couple months does not hurt your team a significant margin then I say hold him back

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 13, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

How much will it hurt though?

Because in the long run it will help tremendously

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 13, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you make an effort...

generally, to lock up arb years and a year or so of free agency on young guys, I don’t see how giving up a year of team control hurts, but I could definitely see how Longoria-ing guys could come back and bite you later. You don’t want to develop an organizational reputation as dicking guys around.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Aug 13, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

this.

Let's hope the second half will be as good as the first half has been.

by b.pate on Aug 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you do it smartly I don't see how it would particularly hurt you.

You think the A’s are gonna benefit from their newfound rep as agressive clock starters after what they did with Anderson and Cahill this year?

How does that work as opposed to what we did with Der-Hol, who was Longoria’d pretty much down the day, iirc.

Do we get one baseball awesome sticker for what we did with Elvis and then one frowny face sticker for what we did with Der-Hol?

How does this “Ohs Noes, won’t somebody please think of the orginizational rep!” thing work?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 14, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not using Feliz for half a year in a year where you expect to contend is dumb

if you think he is one of your top 12/13 pitchers. And doing that to prepare for something 6 years away doesn’t make a lot of sense. If he’s ready to contribute at the beginning of the season and is better than the other options, then use him at the beginning of the season instead of risking games with an inferior pitcher. As we’re all seeing now, 1 game can make a huge difference when you’re in a close playoff race.

And assuming Davis, Andrus, Hunter, Holland, and Feliz will all be FAs at that time assumes that we don’t lock them up to any kind of contract before then and/or don’t have a ready replacement by then to take over for any of them.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 13, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just saying but...

if we have Feliz up and he wins 15 games and is a significant part of this team winning a World Series (just roll with me here) is it worth having that extra year in 6 years, when nobody can predict the future….just saying.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Aug 13, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats where my own opinion comes in for me

I think if he returns to starting he will need to stretch out in the minors for a month or so. So then the question becomes once he’s ready do you keep him down an extra 6 weeks or so or bring him up? How much of an upgrade over who you currently have at the 5th starter spot would he be? If we sign Sheets this winter like I suspect and our rotation is Millwood, Sheets, Feldman, Holland, Hunter is the upgrade over Hunter for 6 weeks worth losing a full year of guaranteed services down the road?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 13, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

He can get some more innings in a winter league where they can stretch him out a bit

Give him 4-5 innings a start or so. He can even be stretched out a bit with how they use him for the rest of the season (giving him more multi-inning outings). That gives him ST next season to stretch him out and get him ready to go for the season. He might still end up being limited a bit towards the end of the season, but its plenty of time to get him ready to go as a starter again. I also bet that the Rangers are planning on him going to a winter league to get more innings anyways.

As far as the upgrade, we haven’t signed Sheets yet nor do we know that Sheets is good to go for next season. If we do sign Sheets, then there’s also a good chance he ends up on the DL earlier in the season and you have to call up Feliz earlier than whatever date that extra year comes into play. What do you when Sheets is out for a month in the middle of May? Do you keep going with the plan to sneak an extra year out of Feliz and risk the Major League team? As for Hunter, the other viable option, putting him in the bullpen and sticking with Feliz in the rotation gives you a great bullpen piece and leaves the higher ceiling pitcher in the rotation.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 13, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

If your starting rotation is

MIllwood, Sheets, Holland, Feldman, and Hunter, I’d rather Feliz be in AAA starting than in the pen. I’m not willing to release Nippert, Mathis, Moscoso or some of the others like Grilli who are out of options to keep him in the bullpen. He’s going to get his opportunity I’d just rather they manage his innings and stretch him out so he’s ready to rock come July or whatever the magic number is when that time comes.

Giving away viable options that can help your club throughout the year to keep Feliz up seems like bad business. That said keeping him down for the Jennings and Guardado’s of the bullpen is crap but if Sheets doesn’t sign and Nippert is a solid option for #5 dumping Nippert for Feliz to start the season is a bad move. He and/or his agent will understand the Rangers position on that.

by Hull Fan on Aug 13, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep, and Feliz could still use the fine tuning

dont forget he wasnt nearly lights out as a starter in AAA… He was solid enough, but he still could get some fine tuning before coming back as a starter full time

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 13, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think about it.

When July or Aug rolls around and we bring up Feliz, it will be like signing an ace at the trade deadline, without giving up the prospects! Focus! Think if we had a Feliz in the AAA system this year. Halladay could suck a big one and we would just call up our secret weapon.

by AceJC on Aug 14, 2009 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Davis will be wearing

a different uniform before he hits free agency

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 13, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

considering he is a Scott Boras client, and considering you normally can get more in trade for a player than the compensation draft picks for holding him into Free Agency.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Davis is already gone

On August 11th his body was taken over by extra-terrestrial beings who promptly drew 4 walks in the next two games.

It’s Davis, but not Davis. It’s like a…Davis suit.

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 14, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pitchers in particular I don't think you should wait too long to call up if they are ready

An injury could knock out Feliz for a year+ and endanger his future stuff at any time. Its just a fact of life with pitching. Right now hes got sick stuff and I want to use it while we can. If he never gets hurt I doubt its ended up too badly for us.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Aug 13, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

With pitchers you never know if or when his arm is going to fall off. No use wasting any more wear on his arm in AAA, give him 6-8 weeks in the big-league bullpen to limit his innings next year and then come June 1st release the hounds.

by mikedallas45 on Aug 13, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would definitely prefer that.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 13, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not me.

If he continues this kind of performance, he’s clearly one of the best pitchers we have, and is too valuable to store away out of fear.

by brettgardner on Aug 14, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Out of fear?

Hmmm… I don’t know what you mean by that.

My ideal would be adding another starter via FA/trade, going into next season w/Millwood, Acquired Dude, Feldman, Holland, Hunter or Dusty Tits or McCarthy or Harrison or whoever.

Then you can have Feliz and Poveda and Moscoso and Kiker all chilling in AAA getting in their reps until they’re needed.

I don’t know that I want to to do this out of “fear”.

I think Feliz could benefit from some stretching out and work as a starter in AAA, and I think it’d be a little silly not to Longoria him (a la David Price this year) if it’s at all feasible.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 14, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's

Far more reasonable than simply holding him down because you want an extra cheap year while losing out on serious production.

I’m fine with adding Acquired Dude and rolling with Millwood, AD, Feldman, Holland, and Hunter, but I’d have absolutely no problem leaving Feliz in the bullpen until the inevitable run of starting pitcher injuries starts.

Of course, that’s premised on the belief that he will continue to be as good as he has been, which probably isn’t likely.

If he struggles down the stretch, then sure, stretch him out for a bit at the beginning of the season, but if he dominates, i see no reason to let him chill out in AAA.

by brettgardner on Aug 14, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid if we leave him the 'pen at the major league level next year, we'll never get him back into the rotation.

His stuff is so damn good I don’t see him faltering to any significant extent in short relief.

I want him in the god damn rotation.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 14, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too.

I guess I’m not too scared of that. Surely JD knows how valuable he would be in the rotation.

by brettgardner on Aug 14, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then lettuce put him into the rotation.

I want him working on starting down in OKC next year at the start of the season.

The fact that we’d be Longoria’ing him at the same time is just the sweet Salmon-flavored icing on the birthday cake of life that is Neftali Feliz.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 14, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

He just said it on ESPN...

talking about how they used to be all hitting an no pitching, and now they have really good pitching.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Aug 13, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny, the reasson I asked...

Is because Olney is the one on ESPN who wrote that the Rangers were interested in Smoltz. So are the Rangers now your father’s Braves?

by Mark from OC on Aug 13, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

They will be..

Perez + Feliz + Holland

The next Maddux + Smoltz + Glavine?

by Trickman on Aug 14, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Johan + Pedro + Kofax

Sounds about right, no?

;)

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 14, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, Id like to leave Feliz as is

unless you think by changing his mechanics you can somehow make him throw 110

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, remember JD's comment

About what might happen if Feliz actually tried to throw hard…

"andruw jones hits 3 HRS at LA of Anaheim last nite after hitting zero at LA of LA as Dodger in all of '08. thats nuts." SI_JonHeyman

by WestTxAg06 on Aug 13, 2009 6:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

Only possible reason to mess with him is if you think you can reduce injury risk somehow, otherwise just let him do his thing.

by mikedallas45 on Aug 13, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

rob neyer on Feliz:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-171/Rangers—Feliz-still-unhittable.html

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 13, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice

“I also suspect that Feliz is, right now, one of the dozen or so best relief pitchers in the major leagues”

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by DShep on Aug 13, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, i mean when you have a 1231231.12K/9 IP and zero BBs

you’re probably up there

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by blalock84 on Aug 13, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's a lot strikeout/passed balls.

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by chrisR on Aug 13, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, TAG must have killed AzRay17's dog or something....
Tom Grieve is the most mush-mouthed, monotone, mumbling person in all of professional broadcasting. Half the time you can’t understand him because he talks so low with no inflection whatsoever. The majority of the time, his voice level is far below the crowd noise so if he’s adding anything insightful to the action on the field, you wouldn’t know it. He is a waste of air-time, and why is he still employed? He brings no energy whatsoever to Rangers broadcasts during a time when the team is playing meaningful, exciting baseball games. Grieve needs to consider a career as a golf analyst. That looks like more his tempo.

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by TxStCa on Aug 13, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is he confusing TAG with someone else?

None of that seems like TAG.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

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by Gdawg on Aug 13, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He must be a TV wrestling fan

If you don’t shout, scream, emote, or talk over other broadcasters, you aren’t on the air. Or maybe be’s just hearing impaired.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Aug 13, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Sometimes they don’t have his mic up high enough. Not every time but every great now and then I definitely notice it. He’s a quiet talker a lot of the time, which is fine…they just need to turn up the gain a little. It’s not like he’s whispering.

So that guy can suck it. Blame the truck on that one.

by Black Francis on Aug 13, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he thinks TAG is Dave Barnett?

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Aug 13, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

He definitely missed

the classic rant TAG had when Sexton charged the mound vs Gabbard.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 13, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

or when that guy was pushing a kid with his mom for a foul ball

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by chrisR on Aug 13, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sexton was my nickname in Junior High.

You’re talking ’bout Sexson.

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by thedirkatron on Aug 14, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

i bet tom grieve

doesn’t give a sh**

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by JakeStrait on Aug 13, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh..

that was greatness.

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by TxStCa on Aug 13, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any scouts out there?

Am I wrong, or are Feliz’s secondary pitches pretty damn good? The fears that he won’t develop any secondary pitches seem totally groundless to me.

I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.

by Ajax68 on Aug 13, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

They look really good so far

But we have yet to see him face the same hitter twice in the same game. The guys he has faced twice, one hit a HR, one reached on an error, one flew out, and two struck out.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 13, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

When he sees the lineup 2 or 3 times, then we will really know how those secondary offerings are. Right now everyone is geared up for the heater and they look goofy.

The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981

by TxStCa on Aug 13, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I need a scout because...

I couldn’t believe my eyes.

I propose a 5-year moratorium on trading any young Ranger pitchers who throw over 90 mph.

by Ajax68 on Aug 13, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe the concern was the he was tipping his secondary pitches

and that it telegraphed to the batter what was coming. It looks like he’s fixed it, but we definately need to wait to see him face batters multiple times in one game to be sure.

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by DerekSTheRed on Aug 14, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is going green

Part of his release conditions?

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Aug 13, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure.

You know how on Letterman sometimes the bass player will just slide up the neck to make a funny sound after a joke? That’s the kind of reaction this one gets for me. It’s no rimshot.

It’s a subtle difference, but a comedian like t would know the difference.

by brettgardner on Aug 14, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

anyone happen to watch BTN on espn2 just now?

For to check espn 2 for it.. was wondering if they finally did anything on feliz.

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by DShep on Aug 13, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

forgot*

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by DShep on Aug 13, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure about BBTN...

but Reynolds and Pleasac were sure drooling all over him on the MLB Net.

Both of them were taliking about how filty he has looked and how effortless his motion is.

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by slc ranger on Aug 13, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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