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LSB's Official Signing Deadline Thread

Tonight's the night.

12pm Eastern is the deadline for signing all non-college seniors from this year's draft.

There should be a flurry of news coming tonight so I figured it be good to have one place to discuss all the news as it breaks.

Some general News so far (updated as I can):

* Cardinals sign 1st rounder Shelby Miller for 2.95 million bonus. Highest announced bonus yet. Good comp for Purke?
* A's sign 4th rounder (And 1st Round Talent) Max Stassi for 1.5 million bonus. Bad for us.
* D-Rays announce they won't be signing either of their first two picks. Um, wow. They spent big on some signability picks already, but this sucks for everyone involved, imo. But I'm sure your clients will thank you later, Scott.
* Heyman twooted that the Nats have offered Strasjesus 12.5 million, but there's still a gap.

RANGERS' Shit:
Matt Purke
is the name on everyone's mind. Our 1st round pick needs to get signed today or he goes to TCU and we get a pick in next year's draft. Yuck'ems to that.

http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/foul_territory/2009/08/matt-purke-update.html

Just about 13 hours to go until the 11 p.m. deadline to sign 2009 draft choices, and the Rangers continue to negotiate with first-round choice Matt Purke. The left-hander has been in town since last week, getting ready for a possible freshman year at TCU and also taking a physical and attending Saturday’s Rangers game with his parents. He met with several members of the club brass, who believe a deal will be reached.

This dispatch came from general manager Jon Daniels late last night: “Not much to say right now. I think both sides would like to see him in a Rangers uniform, but we’re not there yet. This is the system we have in place, and as such, we didn’t expect anything before tomorrow night. Hopefully it comes together, but I can’t say for sure at this point.”

That’s about on par with the Justin Smoak negotiations from last year. That ended well for both sides. Purke, though, seems to have a genuine fondness for TCU, and the Tom Glavine fan has been given No. 47 for next season.

I’m not so sure Smoak had any desire to return to South Carolina for a senior year. So, the TCU thing is leverage. But not signing today and waiting until the 2011 draft is a gamble, especially considering some believe Purke could be in the majors in 2011 or 2012.

— Jeff Wilson

Then there's Tanner Scheppers, who isn't on tonight's deadline because of his senior elgibility-ness, which means he can be signed at anytime up until one week before next year's draft. Don't expect anything on him today.

We also have a number of other interesting players who could be in play tonight.

9th rounder Jabari Blash is a super uber toolsy OF from a Florida Community College. The fact that he hasn't signed yet is a pretty good indication he's asking for well above slot.

10th rounder RHP Thomas Lemke is a tall, lanky peice of projection out of an Arizona HS who is apparently looking for a mid-to-high six figure deal to sway him from college. He'd be a nice add, but who knows.

Then there's 32nd Rounder Reggie Williams, Jr., who I super heart cause I super heart pure CF'ers who can go get the freaking ball, and Williams has the best speed in the entire draft. He's expected to go to college next year, though. I'd put the odds of him signing tonight at less than 1%.

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Brody Colvin just signed

which I know no one but me cares about, but I’m psyched.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Why are you psyched?

I didn’t think he was gonna sign, but the Phills apparently ponied up 900K.

What’s he to you and why are you happy the Phills snagged him?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the sim league that I’m in where we have 225 man rosters, we do our amateur draft a couple of weeks after the MLB one. We draft seven rounds, plus some comp picks, then in the 8th round everyone picks a team and gets that team’s remaining draft (all of the guys who haven’t already been picked). I was fortunate enough to get the Rangers at 16, which I think is an advantage because I’m so much more familiar with the back end of this organization than any others.

Colvin, Jake Stewart (Phils’ 14th rounder but a major multisport stud) and Madison Younginer were my three big gambles in that first portion, so I’ve got the pitchers in tow and just crossing my fingers on Stewart tonight. I have a feeling they sign him. They got Colvin done for under a million, didn’t have a first rounder, and need to replenish a little after the Lee deal. And after saying he was definitely going to school a couple of months ago, he’s softened lately.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

sim league? What type of engine to you run the sim league on?

i play a ton of simulated baseball

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 17, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This one is OOTP. All of the others that I’ve been in have been DMB.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

OOTP is the shit

i love it. Which one do you like more?

I’ve been thinking about trying to get a LSB OOTP league together, that could be a whole lot of fun.

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 17, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know OOTP as well

It looks more powerful, but it seems to have a little more of a mind of its own than DMB. The fact that it sims the entire organization is pretty cool, and if I were just playing one of them for a personal game, it would be much more fun than DMB.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

mind of it's own

that can be frustrating. While it tries to simulate attrition, sometimes it seems to pick on a team one season over other teams. Like ending your star players career with debilitating herpes and having 2 of your top 5 prospects die in a botched auto-erotic asphyxiation hazing all in one season.

Can deffo be maddening. but this can be fixed on the league set-up if you know where to look.

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Aug 17, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brett

OOTP >>>>> DMB

Just sayin.

is a fan of Derek Freaking Holland!

by ortonius on Aug 17, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

im down

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in....

I’ve commished two different leagues going back as far as version 5. The one league that I’m in now is moving from 6.5 to 10 in a week or so. Finally!

is a fan of Derek Freaking Holland!

by ortonius on Aug 17, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha, awesome, well, I've never commished a league but i have a really cool idea for a league

i might create a fanpost when i feel ready to take on something like this, it could be extremely fun

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 17, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

ootp x?

i have been in a league for like 4 years, pretty awesome

by rangersfan32 on Aug 17, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I was surprised to see Colvin sign…especially for less than a mil and a quarter. He has tremendous upside, and he and Von Rosenburg were the best righties out of LA.

by ramjam36 on Aug 17, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I figured he’d demand at least what ZVR got.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it just me or have their been a lot more dudes being bought out late in this draft than usual?

Seems like a lot fo these kids were going to school in the past.

There’s been a flurry of these types of signings right before the deadline.

Wonder how this is going to affect the college class in three years…

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here’s what I think happened. After backing off last year, MLB pushed back again this year and lowered slot recommendations and put more pressure on teams again. There were SO MANY unsigned guys coming into this weekend that it seems like the whole draft is signing. Some teams just said, fine, I’ll wait until the 16th to sign half my draft.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm talking about big money late round guys.

Seems like there’s more 500k-1mm+ signings from rounds 4 and on this year than most.

You have teams like Baltimore and Pitt go with blatant signability picks in the high first round and then sign a bunch of signability picks to big contracts later in the draft.

This has been sort of a trend lately, but this year has been pretty crazy in this regard, imo.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a two year trend

There were a ton last year, led by Cleveland and PIttsburgh, along with the big boys like Boston and NY.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice setup

I quit playing sim leagues because none of the player files were worth shit. All prospects were rated so erratically that i just lost interest. but it sounds like your league rates prospects accurately, PLUS you handle incoming draft classes.

I’d be interested if there were any openings or just if file was available for dl.

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Aug 17, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can send you our file for this year

These guys create our own proprietary projections for all players based on a formula from their previous MLB, MiLB, Japanese, etc. stats and various popular projections (zips, etc), so the player files at least aren’t the same sort of issue.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Purke prediction in the official deadline thread

4 million signed at 10:55 tonight.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

$4m

If it’s less I’ll be surprised.

But no ML deal.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 17, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, i think 4 Mil is where its at

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 17, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

$3.9 M

and no ML deal

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 17, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very unofficial post

Which people can reply to with their Purke projections.
Y/N, and a dollar amount if the Affirmative is specified.
Personally, I’m going Yes, 3.8M.

by Conjunction on Aug 17, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Y 4.0

announced at 11:36 PM CST

"You build 1000 bridges and suck 1 dick, you are not a bridge builder, you are a cocksucker." SaltyGoesYard

by Pocket Ninja on Aug 17, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check that...haha...er..

10:36 PM CST

"You build 1000 bridges and suck 1 dick, you are not a bridge builder, you are a cocksucker." SaltyGoesYard

by Pocket Ninja on Aug 17, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, 3.86 million

about 10:51 pm CST

Godwin's Law Version 2.0 (Rangers Edition)
"As a Ranger discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Danks, Volquez, or Young approaches one."

by LBBRangerFan on Aug 17, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sadly...

I have a bad feeling he’s on his way to TCU.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 17, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some more info on some of our lesser known potential targets for today:

From PGcrosschecker:

TEXAS
Tom Lemke RHP Sr. R-R
6-8 220
Northwest Christian Phoenix Nebraska 11/5/1990
SCOUTING PROFILE (3/1): Lemke is extra long and lean in his 6-foot-8, 205-pound frame, but hasn’t progressed as a pitching prospect as much as some scouts thought he would after he was clocked at 90 mph as a high-school sophomore. At the time, he ranked as the top prep prospect in Arizona for the 2009 draft. But Lemke’s looseness, size and smooth arm action still make him easy to like and project. Lemke does a very good job staying tall in his delivery and has an excellent downhill angle to the plate. His 88-90 mph fastball appears “light” at the plate, but he does a good job of spotting and controlling it. He throws a 73-mph curveball as his breaking ball and gets consistent good spin and location on the pitch. Not surprisingly, Lemke is also a standout basketball player and he can also swing the bat. He hit .515 as a junior at Northwest Christian High, while going 10-1, 1.43 on the mound with 108 K’s in 63 innings. Both of Lemke’s parents attended college at Nebraska and he has taken the unusual route of heading north to play in college.—DAVID RAWNSLEY
UPDATE (5/15): Lemke did little this spring to enhance his draft value, and most local scouts thought he would be better served to follow through with his commitment to Nebraska rather than entertain draft offers-though the possibility certainly exists that someone could take a run at him inside the first 10 rounds. Lemke has an excellent pitcher’s frame and uniquely-appealing upside, but his fastball was mostly in the 87-90 mph range this spring, peaking at 91. His curveball was consistently below-average and scouts universally believed he should scrap the pitch in favor of a slider. Lemke never got totally untracked as he was late coming out for baseball after leading Northwest Christian High to the state 2-A basketball title, and while he promptly ran off 16 straight scoreless innings, he soon leveled off against the better competition he faced down the stretch.—ALLAN SIMPSON

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Jabari Blash.

From here:

Jabari Blash OF Fr. R-R
6-5 215
Miami-Dade JC
 7/4/1989
SCOUTING PROFILE (3/1): A product of the Virgin Islands, Blash had played only two years of organized baseball when the Chicago White Sox took a 29th-round flier on him in the 2007 draft. He didn’t sign with the Sox, instead choosing to come to the United States to play baseball at Alcorn State. But Blash failed to qualify academically and virtually fell off the baseball map for a year before resurfacing last summer with the Athens Pirates of the Great South League. With a big-league body and intriguing athletic actions, Blash created a buzz around that league but he struggled to keep up as it was evident that his skill level was still at an elementary stage of development. Nonetheless, he flashed significant raw tools-especially power, speed and arm strength-and it was just a matter of Blash getting in a more structured baseball environment. He landed at Miami-Dade JC last fall, and the transformation of Blash into a legitimate prospect for the 2009 draft was soon underway. Though his swing is long and approach at the plate unrefined, he displayed significant power potential. He also displayed easy actions in all other phases of his game. Soon he began showcasing a strong arm from right field, with both carry and accuracy. He had soft hands with smooth actions, and began making all the routine plays. He even started making hard contact at the plate more consistently and began driving balls to the gaps more regularly. Though his arm action remained a little long, some scouts looked at his long, lean, athletic frame and superior arm strength, and even envisioned him as a pitcher. More than anything at this stage of his development, Blash just needs repetitions and the team that drafts him in June will need to be extremely patient with him. But Blash has a huge upside, and the number of suitors for his services should be plentiful.—ALLAN SIMPSON
UPDATE (5/15): Though very raw in his approach, Blash had a surprisingly good season at the plate for Miami-Dade, hitting .353-10-33. Some scouts were so impressed with his raw power, speed and arm strength that they thought they had seen the second coming of Hall of Famer Dave Winfield. Blash was soon getting legitimate top 3-5 round interest from clubs dreaming on his projectability. His swing still has a lot of holes and it will take time for him to develop as a hitter, but Blash could be something special if it all comes together for him.—ANUP SINHA / AS

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Shwing!

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 17, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

id really like Blash

he was probably my favorite of the toolsy OFs drafted with him (Sierra, Lane). It’d be nice to get one good spect out of those three.

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 17, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like RWJ better than all of 'em.

But if we added Blash to Sierra and Lane that’d be a pretty nice pu-pu platter of toolsy OF’ers to throw agains the wall, though I don’t like Blash nearly as much cause he seems to be more of a COF, even if he is an uber-atheltic one, but that bat is so raw that it’s hard for me to imagine he’s gonna be able to hit enough to justify a COF spot in the majors.

A .725.750 OPS CF’er is one thing, a .725-.750 OPS COF is another.

But Blash might be able to play a little CF, I don’t know.

And of course Dave Winfield comps are always nice.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't, either.

Which is unfortunate.

Though I think Blash is a better shot than Lemke.

I’d love to get both of ’em, though.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they can get the two top guys signed

I’m pretty happy with what they’ve done otherwise. Happier, for example, than in 2007, when they left some signable high ceiling guys on the table. What they’ve done in the last week or so is solid if they get the main job done.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Gast, Andy Wilkins, Brian Dupra, Dillon Baird…

by Andy Seiler on Aug 17, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yanks signed Heathcott this morning. 2.2million bonus.

I missed it when it happened.

Link.

A lot of people ‘round here were hoping he’d fall to us in the suppy round.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I was one of those people

But I’m still happier with Scheppers (assuming he signs).

by Conjunction on Aug 17, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

so how does it benefit Purke

to get a deal, with a spot on the 40 man? I know it does just not exactly sure how, it may be a stupid question and I am prepared for a ribbing. also OT: does anybody know the exact rule on the playoff rosters?

by blueballlefty on Aug 17, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

If he is on the 40, his service clock starts ticking

Ergo, he hits FA and hopefully a big payday sooner.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 17, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

er, no.

Service clock only starts when you’re on the active big league roster.

His option clock is what starts.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two big things:

1. His options clock starts immediately, which means that the organization has to move him briskly, rather than take its time and have him riding buses for five years. We all know this is a disadvantage for most any HS player long term, but players and their agents don’t see it this way.

2. He has a major league contract, which means that he’s receiving all of the contractual benefits that accompany it.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

And teams can't afford to clog their 40 with prospects, which means they may get pushed to the majors quicker.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 17, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think it kind of forces us to use up his service time earlier for one

but i dont see it as being that big of deal for a HS signee. Id take the extra 500K if I were him.

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 17, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

MLB Deal - A thought

Would someone like Purke or even Scheppers be more willing to forgo a MLB deal out of the draft based on the organization’s history of being aggressive with young talent, buying MiLB contracts (Feliz, Holland, Andrus, etc.)? I think the team has shown that they’re not an organization that is shy about giving a young player a shot with the big team.

by vfn on Aug 17, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps

I think Scheppers is in the big leagues in 3 years regardless of whether he gets a major league deal.

The aspect of major league deals that people always forget is that while a bonus is paid up-front (unless the player is a two-sport athlete), 40-man contracts can be paid out over the life of the contract. For a team like the Rangers, signing Scheppers to a $1.5 million/3 year major league contract is probably a better option for them than signing him to $1.5 million bonus. That 40-man spot may be a low price to pay for deferring $1 million plus into the future.

Likewise, if they could get a discount with Purke (say $4 million bonus —> $3.5 million / 4 year deal), I’d imagine that they’d give him the 40 man spot. That $3 million could be a lot of money for the team at this moment.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

WIth the upcoming 40pocolypse

Having a 18/19 year old kid in Low A on the 40 man roster would be so incredibly stupid I don’t know what words describe it.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

With the current strength of the minor league system, using up a spot on the 40 is just silly. We used to have guys on the 40 who were “meh” at best, so leaving that 40th guy unprotected was probably not that risky. Now that out 40th guys would slot in somewhere in the 20s for many other teams, the risk of losing them is much higher. Losing the 40th guy now potentially hurts the team that our draftee is about to sign with, so demanding a ML contract actually hurts them a little bit. Especially if they think they are so good that they will be fast-tracked to the Majors so quickly that option years are a non-issue.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 17, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

the 40 man roster always has some scrubs on it that I really could care less if they get dropped off. Diamond, Eyre, Mendoza, Arias, German, Golson, Richardson could all be dropped and I wouldn’t lose any sleep; not to mention the guys like Guardado, Blalock, and Jones who won’t be an issue in a few months.

The problem is when teams drop guys with long-term talent for mediocre “fill a hole” solutions. Using a couple of spots for long-term draftees isn’t a fundamentally flawed idea. Obviously you don’t want to do that. But if it is between not signing Purke and signing him, whether for fiscal or signability reasons, you give him the 40 man spot.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't want to do it

But I’m simply saying that there are financial reasons – reasons that may be of significant importance to this club at the moment – that they may ultimately prefer to give Purke the ML contract he is asking for.

I don’t think high school kids should get a 40 man spot under normal conditions. But frankly, it isn’t as doomsday a scenario as some people make it out to be. The real concern is that the kid gets rushed. Worrying about crowing the 40 in 2 years isn’t that big a deal; it is a concern of course, but frankly, not all of the prospects that we’re all ogling are going to make it onto the club (contrary to certain posts you see pop up periodically).

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Purke with a ML deal would be monumentally stupid

I would rather let him go to TCU than give him a ML deal

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's monumentally stupid

Most people would put Purke around the top 5 prospects in this system. Him being on the 40 wouldn’t mean that the team couldn’t protect a Perez or a Font in a few years. It’ll mean the team may not be able to protect someone like Neil Ramirez. You really would give up on the #5 prospect on the club so that you don’t ahve a crunch for the #15 prospect?

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

This I agree with

I would never want to pass on Purke due to ML contract demands. But I would still rather not give him that contract. It seems to me that lots of high draft picks request this as part of the initial requirements, but ultimately end up signing a minor league deal (e.g. Borbon). By conceding the contract, they can get more money. All part of the negotiations.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 17, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Borbon got a major league deal

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought in the end he didn't

Am I thinking about someone else?

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 17, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about Smoak last year

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 17, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smoak maybe

And having him on a ML deal probably would have caused some frustration this year but nothing like whats going to happen in a year or two with our talent coming through the system

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see.

Things can change very quickly

by octoberty on Aug 17, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

No it wouldn't mean losing a guy like Neil Ramirez

It would probably mean losing a guy like Blake Beavan, Wilfredo Boscan, Carlos Pimental, etc. You have 40 roster spots. I believe the most pitchers you want on your 40 is probably 25 at the very most, more likely closer to 20. Lets say 22 to be safe. Your 12 in the majors, that leaves 10 minor league pitchers. You probably want 3 of those to be relievers sine those are the guys that get shipped back and forth the most. So you have 7 spots on your 40 man roster for minor league starting pitchers in case of injury. Lets say you have 4 of those guys in AAA along with a veteran on a minor league deal. Purke on the 40 and several years away means dropping guys like mentioned above when a rash of injuries occur and you have to add a veteran or whatever. With the depth our system has and the upcoming roster crisis giving one of your precious roster spots to a guy who even on the fast track probably isn’t a viable option until 2012 is monumentally stupid.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, fine, Boscan

Right now, you can have Boscan or Purke, which do you take?

Because when Boscan is protected in 2011 and can’t get AAA hitters out because he isn’t as good as spurdynasty says and Purke is destroying the MWC on his way to being a first round pick again, we’re all going to be pretty mad.

I am not advocating giving out a ML deal. I think it is probably smart to overpay to avoid it. But if it is a dealbreaker, I’d give it to him. Because frankly, those names you listed simply are not as good as Purke.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you pay the money requried so that you can have both.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 17, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

But what if you don't have the money

If it is 11:59, and you have 1 minute to make a deal. Purke’s agent says to you

$3.5 million, 4 years, major league contract. We know you don’t have the cash to match our $4.5 million bonus today. Take it or leave it.

What do you do?

Bigsteve says no.
JBImaknee says yes.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I say

4 million no major league deal

Take it or pray you don’t injure yourself at TCU. There isn’t a college in the world that would make me turn down 4 million dollars and a chance to play a game for a living.

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by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if the Rangers bank account

(or line of credit with Selig) only has $3,500,000 million dollars in it?

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well..............bye

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defer the bonus.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 17, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take it, obviously

but try to avoid that situation

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 17, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously?

and get another pick next year that is somewhere between 16-18 (depending on how many 1st rounders don’t get signed this year)? No thank you. Letting Purke go in favor of saving a spot for Toolbox is just stupid.

Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.

by chrisR on Aug 17, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you mean by "crowing (sic) the 40 in 2 years"?

Won’t he be crowding the 40 the moment he signs a ML contract?

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 17, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no 40 man crunch at the moment

Drop Willie Eyre for all I care. I put an extended list above.

There are easily 13 or 14 people on the current 40 man roster who I’d drop today if it were required to have Purke become a Ranger. And frankly, there are 5 or 6 of them I’d just as soon drop today so that I won’t have to keep hearing their failed names anymore.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't just look at the current roster

You have to be able to look down the road. Its crazy how many guys we have that we have to make decisions on. With our current group of players mostly young and under team control we aren’t opening up alot of spots each year by FA loses. Having such dead weight regardless of talent level is not a good way to run your roster

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by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously

But you have to be willing to make exceptions for premium talent.

Now, if you don’t think Purke is premium talent, then by all means, don’t give him a 40 man spot. But when you have a guy who instantly would be among the top 15 or 20 valuable players in your organization (major league players included), with the potential to be at the very top, you’re insane for allowing him to walk for that reason alone.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I see a trade happening in the offseason

Regardless of whether the Rangers make the playoffs or not, if they don’t have the resources to sign an ace or a no. 2 (i.e. Erik Bedard, John Lackey), they will make a trade a la Dan Haren.

Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.

by chrisR on Aug 17, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT

But I just have to say that Erik Bedard would be the worst free agent signing in the history of this club, and they’ve had some doozies…

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by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Erik Bedard is not an ace. He’s pitched well when he’s been healthy, but, by no means, is he capable of fronting a rotation (or at least a hrotation of a team with playoffs aspirations). In 6+ seasons he’s pitched just 1 complete game. And just twice has he pitched more than 150 innings in one year.
But still, if the price isn’t high, he’d make a nice no.3 starter. We’re not in the days of ChanHo anymore. Last offseason, the only ones who received the huge contracts were the CC Sabathias and Mark Teixeiras. The Jon Garlands of baseball are not getting 3-4 year contracts anymore. If all it takes to sign Bedard is a 2 year/16 mill contract, I’d definitely consider it (of course, after a very thorough physical). But like I said, it all depends on whether the team has the resources.

Alma para conquistarte, corazón para quererte, y vida para vivirla junto a ti.

by chrisR on Aug 17, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, yah. Cause he's injured.

A healthy Eric Bedard would be the best FA signing in the history of the franchise, but such a thing doesn’t exist.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something that

the Rangers are well aware of, but they may want to keep top of mind tonight, The Yankees experienced today a negotiation where they didn’t have the leverage of a comp pick. There is a decent chance that if they find themselves in a similar spot with this pick next summer, they will have to pay a premium because of that, so unless they are just out of money, they shouldn’t let a few 100k keep them from getting this done. They’ll likely still have to pay it.

Also, with a few guys in front of them looking pretty iffy, they could be picking a few spots lower, with no guarantee that a signable top ten will drop to them again.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

People say that a lot

But prior to the current system, teams didn’t have the compensation (or maybe they did, just in the supplemental round – I can’t remember).

I don’t see how giving the team’s more leverage (getting a comp pick next year) actually provides a net loss of leverage because they won’t have the same leverage next year.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that teams high in the draft definitely do. Knowing that you get the 8th pick next year if you don’t sign the 7th this year has to help your balls grow a little, even though you definitely want to sign your premier pick. At the end of the first or in the second, I doubt if it’s a huge factor, given the previous rules.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I guess that how I see the compensation system is that your pick next year, be it 1A or 9A or whatever, actually represents a pick that is really 5-10 lower, since you really have to draft with signability in mind in that spot.

If the Nationals can’t sign Strasburg and get the #2 pick next year, they can’t go and pick someone who is a really tough sign again. But they still have something fairly decent (a mid-first round talent who would be giddy with #2 money). The Yankees mistake was picking someone who was a tough sign with that compensation pick.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 17, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
If the Nationals can’t sign Strasburg and get the #2 pick next year, they can’t go and pick someone who is a really tough sign again.

Sure they can.

They just have to work hard on getting the bonus nailed down before they take him, and might have to pay a bit of a premium to do so.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

And

that’s why it’s so great to be the Nats. Just pick the risky guy #1 and go a little safer at #2 every year. I still think they should pick Strasburg first every year til he signs.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to think if he goes unsigned he'd tell 'em to go get sexual with themselves when they came and asked for his formal consent to let them pick him again.

But, maybe.

Plus old Bryce Harper or Remington Steele or Max Power or whatever the next Jesus’s fake-sounding name is is gonna look mighty tempting at #1 next year.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he'd have to grant them permission to draft him again

Am I wrong there?

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by Keynes on Aug 17, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

smeh, reply to Brett Zywicaman

Not ’Tron.

Who basically answered my suspicions anyway.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Aug 17, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correct

The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin

by uthornfan on Aug 17, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they had something like this in mind with Heathcott all along.

If they’d been worried about him not signing or trying to go rogue and use the lack of comp for not signing a comp pick, I think they’d’ve gone safe rather than a high upside HS kid who was known to want above slot going in.

Having a comp pick just means you have to be more careful and do your predraft work a little more thoroughly in terms of nailing down exactly what a kid will sign for.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Groan-inducing update per Jeff Miller about 35 minutes ago:

Link:

The Rangers and first-round pick Matt Purke’s camp have been speaking fairly regularly over the last 90 minutes after a quiet morning, but there has been little movement toward a contract.

Keep in mind that the evening is young and four hours in negotiating apparently is an eternity. The deadline to sign first-round picks is 11 p.m. As one source said earlier in the day, “It’s not like [they] need 10 hours to get a deal nailed down.”

Purke hasn’t wavered from his pre-draft desire to get a deal similar to that of Detroit right-hander Rick Porcello — four years, $7 million and a spot on the 40-man roster.

Ugh.

If that’s true, fuck him in his eye hole and sign Lemke, Blash and Williams and call it a day.

Shirley he’s gonna come down from that, yah?

A Porcello deal?

No way, Joe Say.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, if I'm Purke I'm asking for that until about 10:30

you can have the rest of the details figured out beforehand

by Sherman McCoy on Aug 17, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he really does hold to that

I have to question their decision to pick him in the first place. Shelby Miller signed for very reasonable dollars. On draft day most thought that Purke would be a very hard sign, but we were put at ease by suggestions from Ryan and Daniels that they had a good feeling for Purke’s demands (i.e., they aren’t that high), and there is a major connection between Ryan and Sanders.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe the consipiracy theories are true?

Maybe the got their veiny horse monsters all engorged for Sardinas and Profar and decided to take an unsignable dude in the 1st with the intent of not signing him and spending that money in LA and on a couple of sliders late in the draft.

But I doubt it.

More than likely even if he doesn’t sign I think they picked him thinking he was by far the player the preffered and thought they could get a deal done and just… didn’t.

Most players make outrageous demands and then come off ’em eventually.

If he was they guy they absolutely wanted and they thought they would be able to get him come down off that number to something more reasonable (but still huge, obviously) and it just ends up not working out, I don’t know that I can question them for that.

It’s a high stakes game of poker and sometimes you make the right play but still end up getting monkey fucked in your sleep while your idiot friends watch and laugh at you and your screams of agony. It just happens.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

I think it’s more likely that it’s all a dog and pony show and they had him signed a month ago than that they would have done that. It just doesn’t make sense.

And if they were true, he would have just come out a month ago and said he’s going to TCU.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 17, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd still have to question whatever Purke signs for anyway.

Mechanics, contract demands, the whole thing. It all just seems like they should have gone Miller and called it a day. If Purke and Miller threw with the same hand, I’m pretty sure they’d prefer Miller.

by Andy Seiler on Aug 17, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

Smoak supposedly wanted a Teixeira deal until an hour before the deadline last year.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 17, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

I think he’ll end up signing, but I just would feel a lot better right now if we were starting to get some “Sides are starting to come together” stories trickling out as opposed to this Porcello shit that’s giving me the red ass.

But, I agree.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rays

The funny thing about the Rays announcing they will not sign first round pick LeVon Washington is that he doesn’t have the college option people originally thought he had. He is committed to Florida and had been using that as leverage, but hasn’t qualified academically and won’t be enrolling there this month. His only option is to go to a junior college or sign with the Rays. Seems like he should just sign the deal since he won’t be able to improve his stock too much in one year of juco ball.

The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin

by uthornfan on Aug 17, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

There's still the chance he signs.

I don’t think the Rays have taken an offer off the table. It’s up to Washington at this point, though the Rays are trying to make people think it won’t happen.

by Andy Seiler on Aug 17, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matzek

There is an update on MLB Trade Rumors where Troy Renck of the Denver Post updates the situation, noting that Matzek didn’t attend classes today at Oregon so he is still considering signing. While it is true that Matzek didn’t go to class today, it may have more to do with the fact that classes don’t begin at Oregon until September 29th.

The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin

by uthornfan on Aug 17, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

That’s funny.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That can't be right

Maybe August 29th but September 29th seems awfully late in the year to start a semester

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yah, I have to figure he meant August 29th.

Which is actually pretty late itself.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. Oregon is a quarter school. Classes start end of september.

by ntrebon on Aug 17, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am from Eugene and went to Oregon.

by ntrebon on Aug 17, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe summer school still — I never took classes in the summer.

by ntrebon on Aug 17, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Summer classes begin August 22

http://registrar.uoregon.edu/calendars/academic/condensed_five_years#ImportantSummerTermDates

I think Renck just messed this one up.

The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin

by uthornfan on Aug 17, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The West Coast colleges always seem to start late

For instance, UCLA starts Sept. 21

The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin

by uthornfan on Aug 17, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

fyi

the SPO/Boise video is up and running good.

Watch it later if you want – it’ll be archived. No hurry.

by shroomer on Aug 17, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Hypothetical

If Matt Purke goes to TCU, does very very well for two years, improves the little things, smoothes up the delivery, and TCU does well as a team, makes some waves nationally, he can re enter the draft after his sophomore year and could be drafted even higher than where he is now, right?

by FormerLSBUser on Aug 17, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Sure, theoretically

but it seems pretty chancy, stupid even, to count on getting taken higher than that.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 17, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

You can’t improve too much from where he was picked. And any kind of an injury would cause him to be picked much lower. You also have the possibility that he would be severely overworked in college (which is pretty common) and arm problems would come down the road.

The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin

by uthornfan on Aug 17, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also might risk losing millions

If they put a hard slotting system in place

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 17, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Purke's probably republican and doesn't trust Obama to fix things

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 17, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been hoping that about Obama for going on ten months now.

Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.

by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 17, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, I see what you did there.

That’s exceedingly clever.

How’s that working out for you?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least it isnt working like the health plan

fuct and bought off.

im so disappointed in that sense.

I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT

by Jayslick on Aug 17, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

How old are you?

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...

by Brian Thomas on Aug 17, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Just saying that even if he stays healthy and dominates in college, it could be very hard to get as much money as he is potentially passing up now.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 17, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

The dollars we’re hearing about now aren’t all that different from what, say, Matusz and similar non-Jesus college pitchers seem to get.

Sure, there’s a chance he goes all David Price while at TCU and ends up getting a ton more money than he would’ve out of HS, but there aren’t that many David Price’s out there.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

but not likely. The money is there now.

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by Hamiltons Homey on Aug 17, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesing article on Blash being drafted, from June 10th
Going back to school at Miami Dade Community College is a possibility, Blash said later, but not one that he thinks will likely happen.
“I don’t’ think the Texas Rangers are going to let me get out of their hands, so when it comes to signing, I think they’ll give me what I want,” he said. For the next few days, Blash is going to have to wait and see what happens during contract talks with the Rangers.

link

by octoberty on Aug 17, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Must be a strange situation for JD.

Having to do four or five negotiations at once.

Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.

by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 17, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It always comes down to that at this point.

I’m guessing a lot of the dirty work on the non-Purke deals is being delegated to assistant GM’s and other scouting staff at this point.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

From Texas Rangers facebook...
The Rangers are entering into last-hour negotiations with left-handed pitcher Matt Purke, their first round pick from Houston Klein High School.

The Rangers have until 11 p.m. to sign him. At t-minus four hours, no deal had been struck. There is a sizeable financial gap in the discussions. Purke will end up at TCU if he doesn’t sign.

There have been alternating reports of optimism and pessimism all day long. At 7 p.m., general manager Jon Daniels was neutral and guarded.

“We haven’t ruled anything out at this point,” Daniels said. "It’s kind of fruitless for me to speculate at this point.

by cmkelly29 on Aug 17, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions  

from mlbtraderumors

“ESPN’s Keith Law says he’s hearing "lots of reports of deals that are done, including “unsigned” first-rounders, whose contracts are being throttled by MLB to prevent other players/agents from using them as leverage." He expects there to be a flood of announcements from 11pm-12:30am ET tonight, so stay tuned."

by Sherman McCoy on Aug 17, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Sign the contract you skinny left-handed bastard!!

by shroomer on Aug 17, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Teams should preemptively announce signings.

Unless they’re afraid the commissioner would void the contracts. What a mess that would be.

by Andy Seiler on Aug 17, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If everything works out

I’m changing James Westfall’s name to Matt Purke and Dr. Kenneth Noisewater’s name to Tanner Scheppers.

by shroomer on Aug 17, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
4:22 PM: Law hears that the Phillies aren’t on the brink of signing the righty.
4:33pm: John Manuel of Baseball America reports that the Phillies will sign Colvin for $900k, or six times as much as the commissioner recommends. The Phillies have now signed everyone they drafted through the first 13 rounds.

I dont trust what that man hears.

by octoberty on Aug 17, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

gammons blog

there are conflicting reports about “Colorado signing Tyler Matzek and Texas signing Matt Purke.”

by Hull Fan on Aug 17, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

link

or text… I think his blog is on the ESPN paid side of things

by FormerLSBUser on Aug 17, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm honestly not all that concerned about Purke, though that's good to hear.

I’m hoping we sign one or two (or MORE!) of our late signabilitagolists tonight.

I think Purke’s a virtual lock.

I’d b plenty pissed if I was wrong though.

Proper pissed.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Goin’ all English on us?

"There is the Vegetarian Hot Pocket for those of us who don't want to eat meat, but would still like diarrhea." Jim Gaffigan

by Suicide Prince on Aug 17, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you think the chances are we sign anyone other than Purke?

We don’t have a long track record of late announcements of anyone other than very early-round picks. Isn’t Kyle Ocampo the only mid-rounder to sign this late on the deadline day since the new CBA rules went into effect?

by Andy Seiler on Aug 17, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not at all optimistic about the late signabillionaires.

I don’t think there is much incentive for MLB to hold those contracts till the last minute. So, I really think there’s a take-it-or-leave-it offer already on the table. If they haven’t taken it by now, well….

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 17, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think there

will be anyone else but there’s still an hour and 15 minutes left so you never know.

by Hull Fan on Aug 17, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a good feeling about Blash, but not so much about Lemke... he seems like the kind of dude who could really improve his value by going to school.

One would be nice, but I’d poop pure joy for a week if we got both of them.

And I know it’s a pipe dream, but Reggie Williams Junior is dreamy. I’d take him on a real romantic picnic and sing him acuostic covers of Bear Coat ballads all day long if it’d get him to sign tonight.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

you’re on fire tonight

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by Dirk Diggler on Aug 17, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
ESPN.com’s Keith Law reports that the Tigers have signed second rounder Andy Oliver to $1.495MM bonus.

via mlbtr.com

by octoberty on Aug 17, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

wow

that’s a lot of money. Is Oliver worth that?

by Hull Fan on Aug 17, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oliver

depends on when you saw him. He was great as a sophomore at OSU and awful this year. His stuff and results sucked. But I guess scouts saw what he could do last year (and in flashes this year) and liked what they saw.

The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin

by uthornfan on Aug 17, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny related quote about Oliver by Keith Law:

His best attributes are his left-handedness and his plus fastball

Heh.

by Andy Seiler on Aug 17, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

what was the consensus on Purke's mechanics?

I’ve heard great reports, but have read other reports where his mechanics have to be re-worked.

by rangersfan32 on Aug 17, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

We're nowhere near 700 posts.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 17, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

We may need to take up a collection

because if the Shroomputer breaks and prevents your calendar from being updated, I fear for the sanity of LSB posters.

The Rangers have rolled up the welcome mat and bludgeoned the Angels with it. - Josh Lewin

by uthornfan on Aug 17, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone care to guess whether #1 will sign, and for how much?

I’ll go with a 5-yr deal at $30M.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 17, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

too high

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...

by Brian Thomas on Aug 17, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question about these ML deals

Say a guy signs a 5 yr deal. What if he takes 3 years to get to the majors? Does the contract only start once hes in the majors? Or after the 5 years would he then go back to whatever terms his service time dictates? That has always confused me for some reason

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions  

A 5 yr ml contract is for 5 years, wherever one rests his pretty little head

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...

by Brian Thomas on Aug 17, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what happens after 5 years?

You can’t become a FA until after 6 years of service time accumulates

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

1 yr of Arb?

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...

by Brian Thomas on Aug 17, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

What if he only has 2 years and a handful of days of service time

Would he then go to pre-arbitration and only make 500K?

Wat if he only has 3+ years? Would he go to arbitration? Would he use his draft contract as basis for arbitration?

Thats the part that is confusing to me

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depending on the number of options...

He might still be under full control of the team – league minimum contract if the team feels like it. Otherwise, it will be arbitration.

by NoNameOnCard on Aug 17, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I understand it: Same thing that always happens.

If has three year of service time when the contract ends, then he’d have three years of team control left, which would all be arb years.

If he has two years of ST accumulated, he’d have 4 years of team control left, the first of which would be easy like Sunday morning, unless there was some sort of specific language written into his contract requiring arb for those years, which I can’t imagine a team would agree to but who knows.

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by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK thanks

MLB is the only of the 4 major sports that has such a minor league system so these ML deals have always confused me

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 17, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The signings thus far make $4M for Purke seem like a reasonable payout.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 17, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

You should start in 3bagger's

Since you completely hijacktaboned him and whatnot…

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...

by Brian Thomas on Aug 17, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

His was pretty dumb.

I’m not a fan of bush league’ing it up.

You see something bush league and weak and you’re like, “Yay! Best thing ever! I hope it wins nine Oscars and Clint Eastwood lets me cup his balls on Thanksgiving a few years from now!”

Not me, sister.

I see a bush league effort and I make moves, son.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So....

You’re saying that you’re writing a new script for Gran Torino?

by NoNameOnCard on Aug 17, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's too busy watching Transformers reruns

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...

by Brian Thomas on Aug 17, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least I can admit when I get bamboozled by giant robots blowing up shit on the big screen while some tawdry mess of skin and bones and boobs and mascera walks around wearing not much.

I’ve admitted by horrible mistake.

In thirty years you’ll be President of Iran, going on national TV every night and declaring that “The Million Dollar Baby never happened!”

You are wrong, Sauce.

In every way that a man can be wrong.

I hate you so much.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 17, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty Dumb?

Because I focused on one player?

I was in a hurry. At the time NO ONE had a DEADLINE thread.

Then “Walmart-ed” me. More product, cheaper.

Throw my fan-post a bone.

by 3Bagger on Aug 17, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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