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Tuesday morning Rangers stuff

Solid win last night, although it seems to be overshadowed by the Matt Purke fallout.

Purke apparently turned down a $4 million signing bonus to go to TCU.  $4 million would have been the 5th highest bonus given to anyone in the first round this year.  That's a lot of money for him to walk away from, and for the Rangers to offer. 

But that's the risk you run when you take guys like Purke.  If it weren't for signability concerns, there's no way he would have been sitting there at #14.  The Rangers offered well over-slot to get him to sign, and took him apparently believing that they could get a deal done without going all Porcello on him.  It didn't work. 

But if you want the Rangers to grab a guy sliding over "signability," you have to be prepared to occasionally lose a guy like this. 

Make no mistake, this is a hit to the system.  The Rangers will have a compensatory pick at #15 in 2010 (#16, if the Royals don't sign Aaron Crow), but since they don't get a compensatory pick if they don't sign that guy, they aren't likely to go with a risky sign.  Whoever they take at #15 isn't going to be as highly regarded as Matt Purke.

Anyway, moving on to the playoff race...Anthony Andro writes that Tommy Hunter was a little shaky, but was bailed out by the offense last night.

We've said all season, just wait until Josh Hamilton and Ian Kinsler start hitting...well, those guys are hitting, and all of the sudden, this offense looks a lot more formidable than it did a couple of weeks ago.  And is about to have Nelson Cruz back...

Josh Hamilton hit third last night, with Ron Washington wanting to break up the string of lefties against Francisco Liriano, but it may be permanent, or it may not.  No one seems to know.

Jim Reeves writes that, while we are justifiably excited about the wave of arms coming up, the less-heralded trio of Dustin Nippert, Tommy Hunter, and Scott Feldman are winning games and contributing to the Rangers success now.

Joaquin Benoit threw yesterday for the first time all year, although it doesn't seem like he's going to be an option for anyone before 2010, and he's a free agent after this season.

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Maybe Thursday, most likely Friday according to Wash

Who was on with Norm this morning.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 18, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

When do Benoit come back? ;)

"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.

by inactive lsb user on Aug 18, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are the last two paragraphs jumbled?

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Corrected? I guess.
Jim Reeves writes that, while we are justifiably excited about the wave of arms coming up, the less-heralded trio of Dustin Nippert, Tommy Hunter, and Scott Feldman are winning games and contributing to the Rangers success now.


Joaquin Benoit threw yesterday for the first time all year , although it doesn’t seem like he’s going to be an option for anyone before 2010, and he’s a free agent after this season.

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 18, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, he fixed it apparently.

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm confused by this...
Jim Reeves writes that, while we are justifiably excited about the wave of arms coming up, the less-heralded trio of Dustin Nippert, Tommy Hunter, and Scott Feldman are winning games and contributing to the Rangers success , although it doesn’t seem like he’s going to be an option for anyone before 2010, and he’s a free agent after this season.

now.

Joaquin Benoit threw yesterday for the first time all year

Did you mix those 2 paragraphs?

by cmkelly29 on Aug 18, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope Purke blows out his arm at TCU

Not really, but I’d giggle if I heard he had.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Aug 18, 2009 10:42 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I'd settle for him

never again getting an offer that high, and going the way of Matt Harrington.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

if he blows out his arm, he still gets a pretty decent insurance claim. but even more likely is that his velocity creeps down like it does for so many kids after high school, and he turns out to simply not be as good as he thought. that is not only his worst case scenario, its also the most likely scenario.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt he has any kind of insurance policy on him

For one thing its gonna be hard to find an insurance company that will cover a 18 year olds arm when he can’t be drafted for 2 years at the earliest. Secondly if they did the premiums would be through the roof. We are talking thousands of dollars.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 18, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont' know if he'll get a policy

but coverage is not that difficult to obtain. He could get coverage through the NCAA’s ESDI program, and I’m pretty sure they still set athletes up with financing for the premium….

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 18, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

The whole "Stuff grdually ticks down" thing is what happened to Matt Harrington, and he still got a pretty decent 7 figure insurance claim out of it.

But he wasn’t an amateur so I have no idea what that means in terms of what sort of insurance policy he was able to get/afford.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 18, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he had to sue his agent/advisor

His insurance was a small chunk of change. His big chunk came from a lawsuit IIRC

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 18, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The articles I've read stated that the insurance claim was for 7 figures.

Why he’d get a less than 1mm insurance policy on his arm is beyond me.

The suit against Tanzer might’ve been some money, but the insurance policy has been said to be what made him a millionaire.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 18, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went to bed early last night

and missed the brouhaha, did Sullivan initially report that Purke had signed? and then wrongly report that Purke wouldn’t be eligible again until 2012 after correcting that? Am I wrong in remembering a time when Sullivan was better than that?

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep..

Initially said Purke signed.

Mayo follows up with “Rangers fail to sign Purke”

Sullivan corrected himself a minute later, saying Purke did not sign.

by cmkelly29 on Aug 18, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what made the news sting even more initially

For like 60 seconds you could sigh in relief… only to be kicked in the balls halfway through exhaling.

TR is really becoming a terrible reporter. I don’t even read him anymore, save for the mailbags (which are just too much fun to poke holes in to passup).

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 18, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Purke fail hurts a little more...

after it was heard that he WANTED to be w/ this organization. He wanted to be in Texas, be mentored by Nolan Ryan, and so on…

If Shep signs, I’ll feel better about it.

by cmkelly29 on Aug 18, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

It sucks not getting Purke, but I'm excited to see if that money goes into the International market

where bonuses’ seem to be somewhat depressed compared to the July 2 signees thus far.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 18, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gagree on all points.

"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009

by ghtd36 on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

so do we pick at 14 or 15 next year?

I thought it was 13a because of Storen (I thought Andy said this yesterday), but Jamey and now AJM have said 15. Not that it makes a huge difference, but still, I’d like to clarify.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

so no clarification?

is this because we are so obviously picking at 15, or because nobody knows for sure?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everything I have read puts us at 14a...

Which would be 15th if KC signs Crow, 16th if they don’t

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 18, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

somebody mentioned

15th or 16th depending on whether or not KC (?) signs Crow, which seems highly likely. so about a 90% chance of picking at 15

Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee

by Baseball North on Aug 18, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Storen thing is right.

The Rangers will pick at 14 (13A) and 27 as it stands right now.

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming

Crow signs, btw, just as Scheppers will.

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is correct.

The current 2010 draft order entering today is here. We get 13(a).

by Andy Seiler on Aug 18, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the genius of the Scheppers pick

He’s a potential top of the 1st round talent that they got in the supplemental. Obviously he has injury concerns, but his signing soon would soften the blow considerably.

Of course, not signing Purke gives Scheppers a lot of leverage. He knows the Rangers need him soon.

Also, I’m a huge JD supporter (as big as anyone here) and am a big Nolan guy as well. But I think there is some blame to the F.O. for Purke. Yeah he fell for signability reasons. But he was talked about as being more “known” to the Rangers F.O. than any other club. They should have had an idea of his demands and what it would really take. Given that guys like Shelby Miller signed for much less, I’m a little put off by it. I think Nolan, JD & co got cocky after several very strong years with draft negotiations and misread the situation.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm bummed about the Purke breakup..

But I like the fact that the Rangers aren’t acting like they “need” to sign anybody. Granted, you can never have enough arms, but if there is an area in the organization where they can negotiate from a position of strength, pitching is it.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 18, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

"He knows the Rangers need him soon"

No they don’t. Do you think Scheppers is going to Japan or another season of Indy ball? He’s not. He already lost a year due to his injury. If he goes back in the draft next year where do you think he falls to? The Rangers will give him 1st round money. Maybe even a ML deal. He won’t get that next year. He needs to sign more than the Rangers need to sign him.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 18, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I think myself he has to take what he’s offered while the docs are giving him a clean bill of health, instead of risking blowing his arm out in the indy leagues or in freaking Japan. If he doesn’t, he’s even more foolish than Purke.

J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM

Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.

by LSJ on Aug 18, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm 100% sure Scheppers will sign

Obviously he doesn’t benefit from missing another year.

But the Rangers now need him a bit more – it looks pretty bad for them not to sign either of their highly touted first round picks.

I think Purke not signing levels the negotiating table a bit for Tanner. Which is fine, I don’t care if he gets a major league contract, and now that Purke isn’t signing, the club has a lot of cash to work with. I just want him to sign SOON.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 18, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scheppers didn't have much leverage to begin with outside of talent

Huge injury risk, he fell pretty far down, he can’t go to college again, indy ball or Japan doesn’t make him any money and everyone knows it. Yeah, the Rangers need him a bit more now, but they can just as easily point to their rotation members of of guys in their early to mid 20s and say that they don’t “need” Scheppers that much anyways.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.

"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Aug 18, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, it seems like a ML deal was the deal breaker.

If the Rangers didn’t go Porcello on Porcello, I don’t see why they would do that with Purke. I can fully support not clogging the 40 with a high school pitcher.

I find it really strange that a ML contract was the deal breaker, when the additional money added, say 0.5 or 1M over the life of the contract, was not all that much compared to the bonus offered.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

My understanding is that it was Porcello money

not the ML deal that Purke and Co. were holding out for.

I agree with JBImaknee above that it looks like the F.O. was overconfident in the quality of the relationship with Purke’s people and their ability to read the situation.

by 3hacks on Aug 18, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where does it say that the ML deal was the deal breaker?

I can believe you, but I just haven’t seen that (nor looked really hard).

If that is the case (that a ML deal was the only hold-up), then I’ll consider that a big black mark against JD. I’d rather have “Crowding the 40” than “Fail to sign Purke” as a concern any day, and it shows a lack of perspective.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Aug 18, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm....Durrett says otherwise

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/08/what-does-not-signing-matt-purke-mean-fo.html

It wasn’t a secret that Miller wasn’t asking for Rick Porcello-type money. But when you have the No. 1 farm system in the country, you can take some chances. So the Rangers rolled the dice that they could get Purke to sign, knowing the backup plan was they’d a similar pick in 2010. In the end, it was simply about money. Rangers GM Jon Daniels said that a big league contract (being put on the 40-man) was not a sticking point. The two sides couldn’t bridge a huge gap and Purke is headed to TCU. I’ll have to make it a point to go see how he does. He can go back in the draft in 2011.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Aug 18, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I just saw that. So, it was all about the money.

Since it had nothing to do with a ML contract, I’m pretty disappointed right now. An additional 1/2 to 1M now could be worth a whole lot more to the Rangers later on down the line.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jonathon Mayo reports...
There were indications in the last hour that Purke and agent Peter Vescovo might be willing to settle for a similar deal that the Tigers gave Jacob Turner, a high school pitcher from Missouri who was the ninth overall pick in the draft. His deal included a $4.7 million signing bonus.

But, the full value of Turner’s deal was $5.5M when factoring in the ML deal.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Aug 18, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

what a douche

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Eff him

Wild Card first place Texas Rangers!

by chadero on Aug 18, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Purke

Does he really think he’s a top 15 pick 3 years from now? i doubt he’s a first rounder and dont hope he gets injured but slot money for a 3-8 round guy would be fine for me

by meatbonelefty on Aug 18, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

this is turning into

such a sad ending for such a storied career. He will embarass himself this year and take the Vikings out of serious contention in the process.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

whats the point of an anonymous online forum

if you can’t make bold sports predictions which I stand by wholeheartedly.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Undoubtedly.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...

by Brian Thomas on Aug 18, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't get this sentiment
Whoever they take at #15 isn’t going to be as highly regarded as Matt Purke.

Every year, a player as highly touted as Matt Purke has fallen at least that far. All I hope is that this team has realized that drafting a kid like Shelby Miller or Alex White instead of going all in on someone like Purke isn’t tantamount with leaving something on the table. The difference in their talent levels is often not worth the prima donna bullshit.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I think there is a decent chance

a signability problem is available for the later pick as well. some guys always fall for money reasons.

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except the Rangers...

…are a lot less like to use that pick on a guy with signability issues, since you don’t have the insurance of getting a comp pick if you don’t sign him.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 18, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Problem solved...

Just ask the guy’s advisor before you draft him whether he’s signable or not.

by bhudson on Aug 18, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

This is the original point. The guys whose agents say “yes, he’ll sign” probably don’t slide. Unless they’re not that elite-level good. In which case they’re not as good as Purke.

"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks

by hightowersmith on Aug 18, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even on the later pick?

That was what I meant. I agree, though, they are a lot less likely to take a risky pick with either of their first round picks next year.

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh

Yeah, their own first rounder (assuming they don’t sign a f.a. who requires compensation) you could get someone, but even then, a Purke-level talent falling that far seems unlikely.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 18, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

That pick is getting lower and lower.

by bhudson on Aug 18, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's in the

Brackman, Scheppers area, a different kind of risk.

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

brackman

what a horrible pick

guy wasnt that good at baseball before, knowingly needed TJ and STILL got a 40 man spot?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
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by knockoutking on Aug 18, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Porcello fall deep into the first round

in the vicinity of where the Rangers are expected to have their own first rounder next year?

by 3hacks on Aug 18, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

25th I think..

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 18, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, as do highly rated guys like Main, Heathcott, Shceppers, Joba, Chad James, etc.

Every year you can get good players in the mid to late 20’s.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Aug 18, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention the fact that a lot of successful pitchers are not the highly-touted,

top of the draft guys, but rather come from all over the board. Too much of a crap shoot to worry about one guy this much.
Erlin, McBride, Tullis, or a host of others could wind up being better than Purke, who migh be great or might be a huge bust.

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Aug 18, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

What I heard yesterday

(Not sure if I remember accurately) No pitcher picked in the top 10 has ever won a Cy Young.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 18, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tim Lincecum?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Barry Zito?

Jack McDowell? That’s just going back to 1993.

Perhaps that’s a surprisingly small amount, but it certainly helps that Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson were all drafted outside of the top ten.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Zito?

Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.

by TheJeezus on Aug 18, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

top 5or top 3

not top 10

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 18, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, lemme up!

I said I wasn’t sure if I was quoting correctly, damn.

:)

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 18, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, you really shit the bed on that one....

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Purke's biggest fans (Horned Frogs) and biggest enemies (Rangers fans)

are in the same market. It’ll be interesting to see how he handles the extreme reactions he’s going to get from both crowds.

It’s not like he turned down the chance to sign with Milwaukee before going to TCU. The people who now hate him live next door to those who will love him.

by 3hacks on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

we don't need Purke!

We’ve got Robbie f’n Ross!

"The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic" - Charles Darwin, you know who he is...

by 8legs2fangs on Aug 18, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

and Michael Main!

and Kiker!

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 18, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tullis

Alvarez, Escobar, the list goes on.

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Purke will never be offered that kind of money again

It was written over and over last night that he was taking some really bad advice, and I think that’s the case. Whether mlb implements a hard-slotting system (heh), or even if he gets picked in the top ten whenever he’s eligible, he’ll regret not signing yesterday.

It will be kind of cool to see him pitch for TCU though, as I live less than a mile from campus.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Aug 18, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, at least there's one winner in all of this.

"When he came up with that ball, hop or not, he looked exactly like a homeless guy who had found a long cigarette butt – only to discover it was soaked with gasoline. He could not have thrown out anyone there, even though Cust moves at about the speed of soil erosion." - Ed C.

by inactive lsb user on Aug 18, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The next CBA and the draft

Lots of talk this summer about changing the draft. Ideas? I like a hard slotting system with an earlier sign date. The draftees should be signing and playing and getting their development under way.

In exchange for that certainty the owners are going to need to be prepared to give on something else, earlier free agency or arb? Significantly higher slot numbers? A floor on overall payroll?

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

A hard slotting system is

giving the players something. Less bonuses mean more money for veterans. The players will probably also get a chance in the FA compensation rules.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 18, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

A hard slotting system takes something from the players — a chance to negotiate what might be the only contract they ever get. Attrition is a bitch, and that bonus might be all they ever see outside of their minor league kibbles and bits.

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

wrong

the money distribution goes to veterans rather than 15.75M for a guy who has never pitched, or 2.3 to miller who has one pitch and is 18,

I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT

by Jayslick on Aug 18, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't contradict what I posted

the draftees lose out is my point. It’s probably the case, though, that the union cares less about them than the vets. But my point still holds, that the owners are going to have to give on something else. Even if the union doesn’t really care about the draftees, they’d still be stupid not to negotiate something in return for a slotting system.

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by t ball on Aug 18, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of

minimum salary cap for teams. That is something that the union would really benefit from. Now, would the owners give in?

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by LBBRangerFan on Aug 18, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Salary Floor

I think the key to any kind of salary floor is that it be something like a 5 year running average. When a team goes to rebuild, they’ll shoot thru the floor to a low number. But it they aren’t punished for the one or two years, it’d work. Pirates and Marlins would have to pay and keep some of their players some of the time. But a full out rebuild would still be possible without having to sign some free agent just to get over the floor.

by Oracle Galvez on Aug 18, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only way a salary floor could work is with better revenue sharing

Unless you set the floor absurdly low

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by bking on Aug 18, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

The floor would have to be absurdly low

Teams have shown in the past that they can compete with success with very low payroll mainly due to a good farm system.

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by bigsteve on Aug 18, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Draftees are represented by the MLBPA.

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by rooster on Aug 18, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt the players' union would care

about non-union guys. I think they have to implement a hard-slotting system. I’d also like to see some sort of control on signing Latin players who are under 18-years-old.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Aug 18, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except that obviously they do.

If the union didn’t push on this, why wouldn’t the owners hard cap the draft and save themselves million and millions each year?

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by thedirkatron on Aug 18, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because if it isn't collectively bargained, then the agents will just sue and blow the whole draft up.

Doing it as part of the CBA gives everyone cover.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would also like to see teams

be able to trade draft picks. Strasburg might be a HOF pitcher but he is going to be wasted on a terrible Nats team. They would be better off getting 3-4 players for the #1 draft pick. Same thing next year. They are going to end up spending ~$25M on two unproven players and still be terrible.

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by RangerMad on Aug 18, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Draft

Keith Law preaches the evils of hard-slotting amateurs. Their market is already artificially altered when their rights go to one team — why stilt the system up in another way?

The earlier signing date is win-win, though. I can’t think of a case against, except agents are too lazy to execute that quickly.

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by hightowersmith on Aug 18, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd prefer no draft at all,

and instead have an annual signing bonus budget that’s equal for everyone, or perhaps varies based on previous years record. All prospect signings fall within the budget, including LA.

by bhudson on Aug 18, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

who cares about that?

they have proven nothing in the realm of professional baseball. Why should they get leverage?

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by blalock84 on Aug 18, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh, cause they're people looking for jobs?

That’s pretty fucked, man.

Why should any lawyer coming out of law school be able to negotiate the best employment contract he possibly can when he hasn’t proven shit in the realm of law?

Cause that’s the way shit should work.

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by thedirkatron on Aug 18, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

You sound like my dad =/

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by inactive lsb user on Aug 18, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think...

Borbon will lead off tonight?

by downsetgo on Aug 18, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

If he plays he will

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 18, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure thats a done deal

but if I was wash I would lead off with the Hack Blowcock aka “the on-base machine”

by Kdavis on Aug 18, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Yay, people are picking up on my moniker for Hack.

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by Aquaman, Esq. on Aug 18, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pudge is BACKI!!!!

If we pull off the dream and make it to the post season…we now have a tie to the previous Ranger playoff teams. PUDGE !!!

How’s that for a backup plan with Salty going down?

Welcome Home Pudge, let’s take this thing all the way to a title.

By the way, I would make one more deal…word is that we could acquire Billy Wagner on the cheap. Billy could replace Eddie Guardardo and provide the Rangers with a stop gap lefthanded bullpen thrower.

This is quite possibly the funnest Ranger Season that I have ever been a fan lucky enough to enjoy!!!

by 92bDad on Aug 18, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

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The Texas Rangers are relying on youth more than any other contender. They have four young starters, including rookies Derek Holland and Tommy Hunter. It’s reminiscent of the 1969 New York Mets, Hall of Famer Tom Seaver says, when they won the World Series with five starters having two full years of experience or fewer.

"When we won, everybody said it was a miracle," Seaver says. "Miracles happen when you have pitching and defense up the middle. What the Texas Rangers are doing is pretty amazing."

http://www.jaxobserver.com/2009/08/18/rookie-arms-lifting-contenders/

by GregoryM on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

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