Ricciardi: No-Trade Clause Never an Issue with Texas
by kentbenfer on Aug 2, 2009 10:00 PM CDT
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TR Sullivan came out after the trade deadline the other day and said that Texas was told that Halladay would not have waived his no-trade clause to Texas. This morning, Nick Cafardo, posted an interview with Ricciardi in which Ricciardi states that that was not the case. Ricciardi basically contradicts a lot of what was reported about the trade process and says that there just wasn't a good enough offer on the table for him to accept for Doc. I am inclined to believe Sullivan that someone in the Rangers organization told him that. So, are the Rangers making up the fact that they were told this by Ricciardi? Was money really the issue and the Rangers just didn't want this to be out there as the reason? Or is Ricciardi just trying to cover himself since he didn't make a deal and probably won't be able to get as good a deal in the offseason or next year at the trade deadline? Who knows.
Here is the link for the Cafardo article:
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I think ol JP is trying to cover himself...
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
by TxStCa on Aug 2, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What reason would he have to?
Save his job?
I think he’s already on his way out
by oc on Aug 2, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not great logic on your part
because you think he’s on his way out, he doesn’t care about what other people think of his abilities?
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Aug 2, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
He’s not trying to spin shit to save his MLB GM job? Really?
That’s a lot of naivete on your part.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 3, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question is
How does this give him an excuse? Seems like an excuse would be to blame it on Halladay. ‘I could have gotten the mother lode from Texas, but Roy wouldn’t go.’
by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2009 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was thinking the same thing
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Aug 3, 2009 4:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kind of makes him look like a dunderhead
if he spent most of his time negotiating with a team that was for naught
and doesn’t really ingratiate him with other GM’s if he spent that long dicking around JD without getting a waiver first. a little amateur hour.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Aug 3, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But why would Minnesota be told that Halladay wouldn't go there two weeks ago
while the Rangers supposedly weren’t told until Thursday night?
That doesn’t make sense.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota doesn't have the farm system to toy with
Keeping Minn in the bidding isn’t going to drive up anybodys offer. Keeping Texas in it will.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 3, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So JD operated a month's (maybe more) worth of negotiations with Toronto
but never knew for sure whether Halladay would come to Texas?
Given the reputation of the ballpark, the ownership situation and the fact that Halladay is going to be a free agent after 2010, shouldn’t that have been the first question?
Otherwise, it’s a giant waste of time and you fail to help your team when it’s in a race for the division and the wild card.
I have a very hard time buying any of this from JD.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For one thing
He wasn’t solely working the Halladay trade. He had other stuff on his plate but yes he did work about a month on the Halladay trade under the assumption it could happen. He wasn’t able to contact Halladay directly so all he could go on was JPs word that if a deal was struck Halladay would approve.
Everything I have read from local guys to national guys says Halladay wouldn’t have approved a trade to Texas. The only guy who says he would have is JP.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 3, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why in the world would you trust JP's word?
Maybe Roy was on the fence and told JP he wanted time to decide, so JP keeps talking a deal, and when it came down to it Roy just didn’t want to come here.
That’s certainly plausible. Roy could’ve said, “I for sure don’t want to go to Minny, but give me time to think on the rest of them.”
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 3, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, this doesn't fly.
Our GM was on the main stage and his team had a glaring need (how about that VMartinez going 5 for 6 as the Bosox scored 18 runs yesterday?) and he couldn’t get anything done.
Given mjh’s wild ass loose cannon headline 10 days ago concerning Rudy…It makes me wonder if he’s spoken with people in the front office who are telling him it’s not their fault the offense is underachieving – it’s Rudy’s fault.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post makes no sense
I give up
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 3, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I give up"...
if only everyone at LSB would do this rather than reply to Josey.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 3, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not responsive.
Our GM was on the main stage and his team had a glaring need (how about that VMartinez going 5 for 6 as the Bosox scored 18 runs yesterday?) and he couldn’t get anything done.
This has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion thread. You went from talking about whether Halladay wouldn’t have approved a trade to Texas to blaming JD for not trading for a hitter like Victor Martinez.
You should try sticking with an argument instead of just rotating through talking points.
by cstorm15 on Aug 3, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's saying you shouldn't trust anything JD says cause JD's a bumbling fool who fails in every endeavor he takes on.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD
did a good job assembling this bullpen.
How can you believe JD wouldn’t know this about Halladay until the day before the trade?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because either Halladay didn't decide or JP didn't tell him
Remember, JD isn’t allowed to talk to Halladay. That’s called tampering. That’s why JD has to rely on what JP says.
The concept isn’t that difficult…
by cstorm15 on Aug 3, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I believe he forgot to ask Nolan!
If he’d asked Nolan sooner, obviously the result would’ve been known sooner!
Texas High Heat!!!
Yee-Haww!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What appears to have happened is that JD allowed himself
to be (perhaps conveniently) used by Toronto. He can say he was involved in the trade negotiations for Halladay but at the end blame JP for not telling him that it was a complete waste of time.
This makes it appear as though JD once again “tried” which seems to be a recurring theme.
Not addressing the offense (when NJohnson went to Florida for a song) and simply hoping it gets better when our team is this good is unacceptable.
I can see why the vets on this team weren’t surprised JD couldn’t make anything happen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the summary of talking points 1-4
Spinning this to say that JD allowed himself to be used is laughable. First, if JD was used, then Nolan was used. Nolan said Thursday night that they were in on Halladay. Was Nolan lying? Was he letting himself be used?
Second, if the Rangers were interested in Halladay but had no way of knowing whether Halladay would accept a trade until the last minute (which appears to be the case), what would you have done differently? Would you have cut off communications with Toronto a month ago and then concentrated on overpaying for Victor Martinez or trading for a marginal upgrade like Nick Johnson?
Seriously, its a simple question: what would you have done differently in this situation than how JD and Nolan handled the trade deadline? (And I want a specific answer. Don’t even bother to respond if all you’re going to say is JD failed by not trading for a hitter. If you can’t answer these simple questions, then you should just admit that you’re talking out of your ass.)
by cstorm15 on Aug 3, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all
JD was used by Ricciardi. Whether or not he allowed himself to be used is up for debate but without a doubt he was the mark in that game of poker and was used.
Finding out about Halladay coming to Texas had to be the first hurdle and without a definitive yes/no, everything else was a waste of time. Minnesota found out right away, why were we different?
What would I have done differently than JD? I would have looked at the glaring weakness of my team and fixed it. I would have gone after a hitter who gets on base and kills LH pitching.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD only had JPs word to go on
Thats all he had. So if he had done what you suggest he would never have been in on Halladay since he couldn’t get a firm answer on whether or not he would actually come here. Then we would be regailed (sp?) with you berating JD because he didn’t even go after the best pitcher on the market with all our prospects. So its a lose lose for all us really.
As for a batter the only options were a guy who was a marginal upgrade at best over what you have currently and a guy who we would have had to overpay a ton for and block our current crop of young catchers.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 3, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD is not that dumb
and had to know he was allowing himself to be used by Toronto. Maybe it was to extract a higher price from the Angels if they wanted Halladay?
What may be going on here is that JD’s protecting the owner (who is nowhere near a radio show these days) because no other explanation makes sense (including the bullshit about JP not telling him about Halladay until the last second).
I didn’t think Halladay was ever coming here because this organization thinks they get great pr mileage by making it known they are “trying” to acquire talent.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So JD should also have the power to know if a player will or won't approve a trade to Texas
Without being able to ask that player himself?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 3, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, you guys are either idiots or worship JD.
He either knew, or should have known. He’s a big boy GM now, isn’t he? Quit making excuses for your teen-idol…it’s just sad. Do you have any proof that Halladay revoked his stated approval to be traded to Texas, or are you just making more excuses for your BoyToy Jonny D.
It won’t matter…when the new ownership group arrives, and especially if Nolan Ryan is involved, the feckless and clueless Jon daniels will be gone.
bet on it!
by Clueless on Aug 4, 2009 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: 'especially if Nolan Ryan is involved, the feckless and clueless Jon daniels will be gone."
Why would you think that Nolan wants JD gone?
He could fire him right now if that was the case.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Aug 4, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly has JD done
since the Tex Trade?
Picked up a couple of bullpen arms but not much else other than wasting $ 9 million on Broussard, JJennings & Fukomori.
That trade was more than two years ago and he hasn’t done much since then.
JD’s track record of trades before the Tex Trade wasn’t exactly stellar either and is quite often referred to in here as his “learning curve.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 4, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His drafts have been as good as anybody's.
I’d say Jennings has worked out pretty good this yr.
Outstanding latin signings the past 3 yrs.
The fattest chunk of the defensive improvement can be linked to the precise move you carped on and on about as sheer stupidity.
Do you like what O’day and Grilli have done this year? What about Andruw Jones? Cuz all 3 were the baseball equivalent of $free.99.
So, let’s see. Overhauled the defense, thus also improving the pitching, picked up 3 solid contributors for a bag of cornuts and a day old beanpie, fixed the bullpen (sorry) Bully, and continued and accelerated their ascendancy towards one of the top 3-4 player development machines in the bidness.
Just a few reasons why Nolan so frequently and emphatically praises the job JD has done (for THIS THING).
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
"I'm as passionate and knowlegeable as any fan out there." Josey Wales
by Brian Thomas on Aug 4, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which good trade was that he's made
since the Tex Trade?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 4, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a joke.
Please stop indulging this guy.
by brettgardner on Aug 4, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD is not that dumb
Oh, come on. You totally believe otherwise. Hence the name Jonny Donuts.
by troysboys on Aug 3, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Hank F. Blalock could be benched or released
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 3, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the only way
I can imagine getting playing time for Johnson.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Blalock plays 1B, NJohnson DH’s
OF – Hamilton, Murphy, Cruz, Jones and Borbon / Boggs can be called up if needed.
Marlon Byrd gets punted.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
if you’re a really ballsy GM that wants to send a message – Josh Hamilton goes to the minors to get his act together.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
Byrd is hitting better than Blalock this year, and brings more defensive value, especitally when you are bringing in 1B/DH.
Blalock is the obvious person to kick off the team due to his inability to hit lefties, if you were to bring Johnson in.
"I saw a soldier try to dig a foxhole with his bare hands. He didn't notice that he'd torn off all his fingernails. I got him out of there quickly; not for his sake, but for ours. Fear is poison in combat...destructive, contagious." - Band of Brothers
by DJCahill on Aug 3, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josey
We all missed you last night.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Aug 3, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RC
I said the following this morning over at NMLR and it’s sincere.
“One last explanation -
I’ve thought about coming to the night in the past but if I show up, what happens that’s positive? I would become a major distraction and that is not what that night is supposed to be about. Newberg Night is a nice kiss from Jamey to some of the fans that follow the team.
JD holds nothing over me and I owe him nothing plus he’s not physically imposing so why would I be afraid to ask him tough questions?
Did anybody ask him tough questions about the offense last night and why he feels the best strategy for the rest of the year is “hope” especially when one of the players they are hoping gets better just went on the DL? Jeeez, Nick Johnson went for a song to the Marlins and he’s exactly what we needed.
That’s why last night wouldn’t have been my style because I wouldn’t let it go and everbody else would have become mad at me for upsetting JD who goes beyond favored child status in this place.
Speaking of hope, I sincerely hope everybody had a good time last night."
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever stopped to consider
That nobody would have a fucking clue who you were unless you introduced yourself as Josey Wales?
by brettgardner on Aug 3, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, the only saving grace in the horrible beating that is Josey Donuts and his hackneyed persona, is the delightfully gigantic ego.
He truly believes what he wrote up there.
He believes to his very core that if he’d shown up the entire thing would have been all about him being there. The room would’ve fallen silent. All eyes would have been on him. The room would have waited breathlessly for him to confront JD and let us all know what the real truth is. The Josey truth.
With Josey, dellusions of grandeur doesn’t even begin to cover it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
“Did anybody ask him tough questions about the offense last night and why he feels the best strategy for the rest of the year is "hope" especially when one of the players they are hoping gets better just went on the DL?”
Yep- Adam asked nearly that exact question.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Aug 3, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josey is on autopilot
This is what I said:
Seriously, its a simple question: what would you have done differently in this situation than how JD and Nolan handled the trade deadline? (And I want a specific answer. Don’t even bother to respond if all you’re going to say is JD failed by not trading for a hitter. If you can’t answer these simple questions, then you should just admit that you’re talking out of your ass.)
This is how he responded:
What would I have done differently than JD? I would have looked at the glaring weakness of my team and fixed it. I would have gone after a hitter who gets on base and kills LH pitching.
You’re answer to my question is as pathetic as I was expecting. All you said I was “I would have made a trade.” The problem is that you have no concept of what players are actually worth: you’ll pay whatever the other team demands.
by cstorm15 on Aug 3, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
You’re still an idiot for thinking that we should have traded Font, Main and Kiker for Martinez:
Font, Main and Kiker (not giving up Hunter) for Martinez? Hell yes.
I am so glad that you only exist on the internet and that you’ve never been within miles of a real major-league front office.
by cstorm15 on Aug 3, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
I think the Indians would have taken the Red Sox’s package over Font, Main and Kiker.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 3, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree with that as well.
Doesn’t mean it would have been a good trade for us, however.
by cstorm15 on Aug 3, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone checked Shooter Hunt's numbers this year?
Remember how a small portion of people here were advocating for him leading up to last year’s draft?
He’s been hilariously awful this year.
He and Gutierrez were such a waste of high draft picks.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they had already decided to fire him and let someone else come in and handle the rebuild, why let him handle the deadline and possibly the single biggest piece of their potential rebuilding?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riccardi
either way he is a victim of bad timing. Imagine what he could have gotten for Halladay in the economic climate of 2-3 summers ago before the economy crashed and everyone started coveting young controlable players. If the Rangers got the haul they did for Tex, Riccardi might have gotten a Hershel Walker type return…
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"you're fuckin out" (Kenny Powers)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Aug 2, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean that
JD was lying?
How could that happen?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 2, 2009 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
for all we know, Nolan told TR Halladay said no
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Aug 2, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and for all we know JP
could be spinning this as well
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Aug 3, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
given Riccardi's history
I wouldn’t believe him if he told me the sky was blue on a clear sunny day.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Aug 2, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But Minnesota was told they weren't going to be considered by Halladay 10 days ago
so why would Texas be given the runaround?
I defer to the veterans of the Rangers who said they were not surprised that JD wasn’t able to make a deal to help the major league team win this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Gardner, What you should do is tip your cap and then move forward with your tail tucked snugly in your gash."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 2, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JP's trade target was Philadelphia.
and Texas was the only organization with the trade pieces that could drive up the bidding so JP needed Texas in the bid process. JP overplayed his hand with the Phillies and Texas never had a legitimate shot anyway due to the no trade clause.
by twinkilling on Aug 2, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snooze.
You’re getting boring as shit.
by brettgardner on Aug 3, 2009 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Getting"?
I mean, seriously.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"
by thedirkatron on Aug 3, 2009 6:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
full article
It appears that the link above is the Readers Digest version of the article though the main points are the same.
Ricciardi also said reports that Halladay, who has a no-trade clause, would not approve a deal to Texas were false. The problem with the Rangers was the same as that with the Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers, and Phillies. There just wasn’t enough coming back.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Aug 2, 2009 10:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JP has a history of lying
even to his own fanbase, so I doubt he gives a shit about lying to the media.
by behindthebag on Aug 2, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on down to the phone call where he says he apologized to Adam Dunn
That would have been fine if Dunn had any memory of ever receiving a call for JP.
by twinkilling on Aug 2, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 3, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TR Sullivan is a clown.
He’s not credible at all…I don’t believe anything he says.
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 3, 2009 12:08 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Neither is Riccardi.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
by lonestarJon on Aug 3, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Daniels said tonight...
…that Ricciardi told him late Thursday that Halladay said he wouldn’t approve a trade to Texas.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 3, 2009 12:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The issue isn't when Ricciardi told Daniels
The issue is when Ricciardi actually knew.
by twinkilling on Aug 3, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you are correct AJM, per what JD said.
(even though I think you are dumb for not remembering meeting me at least three times before tonight)
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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 3, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In defense of Adam, I think we were all a little out of it
Case in point: I didn’t recognize my own co-writer. (Although I had never actually met him, but still…)
by Joey Matschulat on Aug 3, 2009 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
David was there too?
Damn, they need to hand out nametags next year :)
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 3, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be really interested in hearing
whatever part of the narrative Daniels shared.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 3, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD said there were three things Roy wanted:
1. Contender
2. Someone he knows on the club
3. ? (don’t remember)
Essentially, they were discussing the pieces needed and were coming close to an accord when JD asked if Halliday had been officially asked if he would accept a trade to TX. JD surmised any more effort in the deal would be in vain if Doc would not come to Texas. At that point, JP officially asked the direct question, and Halliday said “No”.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 3, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riccardi is an idiot
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Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
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by RangerMad on Aug 3, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was Will Carroll, not Daniels
- was training in Florida.
I believe Daniels said Toronto indicated about 10 days before the deadline that Halladay would waive his no-trade clause, and they asked Thursday for them to get an official confirmation, because it was pointless to continue talking if that was going to be an issue, and they came back and said he wouldn’t waive it.
From what I recall, the no-trade wasn’t that much of a sticking point anyway, because what Ricciardi wanted wasn’t a doable package anyway.
So you can say the no-trade made it moot, or you can say the no-trade was irrelevant.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 3, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because what Ricciardi wanted wasn’t a doable package anyway.
Was is just Holland that was the sticking point? Did JP want two of our top 4 but JD was only willing to give up one?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Aug 3, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if Ricciardi & JD couldn't agree on players
why leak it to the masses that Halladay wasn’t going to waive his NTC for Texas?
Letting that known would seem to take JD off the hook to some but it also calls into question why he’d allow himself to be used.
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by Josey Wales on Aug 3, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fail to see how this makes it look like he got used
It got leaked because of all the idiots like you who bitch and moan about using our #1 farm system to acquire a veteran player.
If anything it makes JP look like the bad guy because if he didn’t know before that Halladay was going to deny the trade then hes an idiot and if he did know before hand then he negotiated in bad faith.
JP is the only guy that looks bad in all this, not JD
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by bigsteve on Aug 3, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think
You’re going to convince him of anything?
He just said that Boston is really old, was proven incorrect, and still insisted he was right.
A tired bit from a lonely old dude.
by brettgardner on Aug 3, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston DOES depend on several older players
and I wasn’t proven wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 5, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riiiiiiiight
JD never looks bad to you…..sucker.
by Clueless on Aug 5, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riccardi
I swear that even canadian papers were saying halladay wouldnt waive his no trade, and riccardi corrected them saying he didnt out right refuse he just wasnt 100% sure at the time or some such
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by rentz on Aug 3, 2009 5:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody ask about the Peavy trade?
I remember reading Peavy didn’t want to come here, but still, that’s a guy worth kissing some ballsack for.
Was he not waiving it for Arlington no ways no hows?
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 3, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
He’s an expensive, overrated due to his home park sack of injury risk.
The fuck would we want to be in on him for?
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by thedirkatron on Aug 4, 2009 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: The fuck would we want to be in on him for?
Cuz overrated or not, he’s good, and he’s under contract for 3 more years.
I'm Matt mutha-effing Bush, bitches, and mutha-eff East County.
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 4, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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