Matt Purke's Father Speaks
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 3:19 PM CDT
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PrintI know the last post was supposed to be the last thing about Matt Purke, but I just saw his dad's comments today, and I think they are worth highlighting:
"It's a business and they made a decision they thought was best for their ownership," Lawrence Purke said. "We were very happy to be a part of it.
"We told all 30 teams in the beginning what it would take and at the midnight hour, Aug. 17, the Texas Rangers and Matthew were not able to agree."
While Purke acknowledges there is no animosity between the Rangers and his family, he said he was very open with Texas officials from the moment the process began.
"We said at the beginning we wanted a deal similiar to (those given to Detroit Tigers pitcher) Rick Porcello and (Boston Red Sox pitcher) Josh Beckett," Lawrence Purke said. "We are talking (about contacts worth) around $7.2 million to $7.5 million.
"We mean what we say and we say what we mean."
Purke said he and his son came away from the process with great respect for the Texas Rangers.
"It's every player's dream to be a part of a process like that and we are grateful to the Rangers and their organization," Lawrence Purke said.
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Absolutely crazy demands
There was no way Purke was going to get Porcello or Beckett money in this draft.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Like they saif for Porcello money, we want Porcello
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm..
What can you do with 7mill that you can’t do with 4?
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Buy 10,000 more...
…sessions with $300/hour hookers?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
its gonna take some wilt-esque
perseverance to redeem all of those
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
For $300
that blowjob better cure cancer and bring the rains.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
7 mil will get you AJM as your divorce lawyer.
Let's hope the second half will be as good as the first half has been.
well then the Rangers were dumb for drafting him
plain and simple.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Aug 20, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
if that is indeed how things went down, then that has to be the exception rather than the rule. even if purke and his family genuinely wanted $7 mil and thought they might get it, it is fully reasonable for the rangers or any organization to assume that in the thicket of negotiations, a high school player, who happens to play at the most career-degrading injury prone position, will find a generous $4 million offer attractive.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
i see what you did there
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
NO SHIT, why do people type these stupid thoughts
by oc on Aug 20, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
To piss you off.
"Damn right. damn right, great idea or maybe just make the punk his bitch right on the mound so all the christers in the audience can start praying and speaking in tongues and perhaps handling snakes – kind of like the scene in Bruno in the cage fight" –Stuntman Mike, on the idea of putting a hardened criminal on the team as an enforcer, and what it would be like to watch him charge the mound.
"How about during the 7th inning stretch from now on we have mass abortions on the field!!???!! Gritty nom nom nom baby JESUS donkey fuck spectacular!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can dig up TY COBBS BONES!!!AND USE THEM TO EVACUATE SOME LUCKY FANS UTERUS!!!!" –Section 339, in response to Stuntman Mike
Yep
Purke is the exception here. Almost no one goes into negotiations with one offer in mind and refuses to budge off that offer.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Negotiations kind of imply a give and take, not we want 7 mil send it to this address.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
So
The Rangers should pass on every potential draftee if they aren’t willing to pay him however much he says, pre-draft, he wants?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
yep
Nationals would never pay Strasburg 50 million
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Just like the Rockies
fucked up by paying Matzek 7 million?
Oh wait they didn’t? Um…what the hell am I talking about?
matzek >> purke
beckett >>> purke
porcello >>> purke
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out
so why couldnt his advisers?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
who knows
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd bet it was Purke and his parents
if it was his advisors telling him that then they really popped the pooch.
What do voluntary mean?
I agree but that wasn't my point
The point was that Matzek demaned 7 million before the draft but the Rockies took “a chance” on him. Signing him for 3.9 is a hellva deal. They weren’t stupid for drafting him and he wasn’t stupid to turn down 3.9 million because he had irrational expectations of Porcello money.
Your point was crystal clear
Not sure what John’s was, other than pointing out the superobvious.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...
by Brian Thomas on Aug 20, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
it's a risk they shouldn't take
particularly when they have no ability to pay it in the first place due to Hicks’ financial struggles.
What if a player just tells a team…“don’t draft me. I won’t play for you. I won’t sign.”? A team would be stupid to do that. We almost saw just that when the Chargers took Eli Manning. If you can’t afford to take the risk, don’t make the selection.
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Is it really that stupid?
They took a risk to get the 5th or 6th best player in the draft.
They didn’t sign him. Instead, they’ll get about the 14th best player in next year’s draft.
If they’d played it safe, they’d have gotten the 14th best player in this year’s draft.
I don’t see how it is just so stupid and so devastating.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
it's stupid if Purke had said
“I want $7M, and if I don’t get it I’m going to school”, and the Rangers just interpreted it as “I will settle for $4M because I love Nolan Ryan.”
THAT is stupid.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Again...
…how many kids, and their parents, are telling teams, “I won’t sign for less than $X amount of dollars,” and end up signing for a lot less.
That’s what happened with Matusz. Strasburg was saying $50 million, and he took $15 million.
And not only that…you say the Rangers can’t afford to take the risk. Their farm system is stacked. They have a ton of young talent. They can afford to take the risk on a higher-ceiling guy, knowing that missing out on him won’t cripple the system, and they can afford to wait another year to recoup that pick.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Strasburg didn't have the leverage that Purke did
going to the independent league isn’t the same as going to college.
I’m not saying it’s stupid for the reasons you mentioned, Adam. I’m saying it was dumb if they had zero chance of even being able to afford that. For example, if Strasburg had somehow fallen to them, I don’t think they could have financially met his demands. Don’t take a player that you can’t afford.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
Purke obviously has a lot of confidence in himself, no doubt
I would bet that most stud aces in high school do.
I just wish the Rangers had been better at deciphering if he would have ever agreed to $4M because I’m thinking that was the most they could afford under any circumstances.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
i wish ther rangers had been better at deciphering that too
but i don’t think it is such a simple exercise as you make it out to be. unless the club had convincing evidence that purke was unwilling to negotiate from his initial position, which i cant imagine they did, i can’t fault them for taking the risk on him. like adam said, we have a deep enough system to absorb the loss, which includes multiple good pitching prospects that would be roughly on the same timetable as purke. so we get a guy next year that is roughly comparable to the ‘signability pick’ we could have taken this year, no biggie.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's put it this way
What would you prefer?
A) 50% chance of getting the 6th best player in the 2009 draft, and if you don’t get him, getting the 14th best player in the 2010 draft, or
B) Definitely getting the 14th best player in the 2009 draft.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just pulling a percentage out
How about 25% chance of signing, 75% chance of not?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
even if it's just an arbitrary number,
you can see that percentage would have to get pretty low before B would be the preferred option.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not take Shelby Miller?
By most accounts, he’s on Purke’s level with less of an injury risk.
by John Fountain on Aug 20, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
who were the 5 that you have rated ahead of Purke?
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
struas could have gone back to college. that is leverage
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There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites men to wish all to be powerful and honored. This passion tends to elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.
-Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835
by Hamiltons Homey on Aug 20, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean what I said and I said what I meant
A Purke is hard-headed one hundred percent!
by bhudson on Aug 20, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Beautiful
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 20, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
They simply thought he couldn't be that hard-headed.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
Seems there is a ten year workplan involved
According to this writeup. Still doesn’t explain any expectation in the $7 million range.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
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~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 20, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Plans to major in accounting...
well once he learns TVM, he will vomit all over on his TCU baseball hoody
Keepin it Classy Gentlemen
There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites men to wish all to be powerful and honored. This passion tends to elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.
-Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835
by Hamiltons Homey on Aug 20, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
i hope youre referring to purke
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
who the fuck else
would you be referring to?
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dont' even get me started on Vince Sinisi!
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 20, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
it has mutliple connotations
it could mean that the rangers were stupid for drafting him or that the draft pick himself, purke, is stupid.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
it obviously
means that the rangers were stupid for drafting him.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
well fuck me, then
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
From what is being said it doesn't sound like RG comments have any credibility.
Has he become Skip Bayless, throw shit against the wall until something sticks.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
$$$
And he thinks he is going to get 7 mil in two years?
by De Peche Ranger on Aug 20, 2009 3:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
yeah...
he’s pretty much going to have to be the top of his game and one of the best in college for 2yrs to get 7mil+
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
do you really think
that if they go to a hard slotting system, that the 4th or 5th pick will get $7 mil?
I, for one, do not.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The key is IF they go to a hard slotting system
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
It sounds like
the vets all want this to happen. I don’t know if that means anything, but yeah.
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they will make some changes to the slotting system
It probably won’t be what Selig and co wants, but they’ll probably do something to make teams more likely to sign deals closer to slot
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
is there
a hard slot system in the NFL?
just curious.
"We mean what we say and we say what we mean." -The Purke Family
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
But ...
Each team only has a certain pool of money in which to pay all their draft picks. The amount of a team’s pool is determined by the number of draft picks and where the draft picks are. Only the top players have any real leverage … and that’s only to sit out the year. Players from the 2nd round on basically know what they will be offered and don’t have much choice but to accept.
by northtexan95 on Aug 20, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Its still not a hard slot
theirs just an overall cap that can be spent, a team always has the options of pulling a saints move and trading their draft for 1 player.
The key difference would be players dont have the leverage of going back to school if they dont sign
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
the current CBA ends after the 2011 season
A slotting system wouldn’t be in effect until 2012.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
If they renegotiated it before then it could take effect sooner
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
and scouts get 2 years to nitpick
Many things can be overlooked with a HS kid, less so after 2 years of college.
Anyone know the quality of coaching he will get at TCU?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Up and comer I think but is he an arm destroyer?
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought broadway went to DBU?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
oops
thx
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He did
transferred from DBU to TCU
08/03/2009 A day that will live in infamy for the rest of the AL West.
by Michael Cave on Aug 20, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
winner! haha
thx
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
-
"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup
And he wasnt even the top prep arm, or heck even the top lefty prep arm.
Sure he could turn out to be the best pitcher in college, but how much more money could he really get? Unless he suddenly turns a strassburgh like performance
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I Blame Nolan and JD for going ahead and drafting him.
Shelby Miller looks real good right about now.
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I mentioned this in the previous thread.
But it might be worth exploring: What if MLB manages to go had slot in 2011? Where would he have to land to get 4 mill? 7 mill?
kling klang king of the rim ram room
I would think the top pick only gets 5-10 tops
Probably closer to 5 than 10
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Why would they "hard slot" the top pick anywhere remotely near 10?
That would mean that they are mandating a bonus increase.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...
by Brian Thomas on Aug 20, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If they go hard slot, nobody's getting 7 million
Top guy might not even get 4.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...
by Brian Thomas on Aug 20, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I blame Nolan
supposedly he thought this thing could be done because they shared the same agent.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Certainly seems like he had the inside track on this info.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
which is why
Im thinking they took on a tough sign on purpose. either get a guy who wants $7M for $4M or try again next year. With our system the way it is now, dealing a first round pick till next year might not have been a bad alternative. I think the front office knew exactly what they were doing when they picked him.
by corbsclinton on Aug 20, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see how anyone can come to any other conclusion
Nolan blew it for us.
And Larry “means/says, says/means” Purke blew it even bigger for Matt and God.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...
by Brian Thomas on Aug 20, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
What will be funny is if they put in hard slotting with next CBA.
Cause it sound like the vets might be ready to throw amatuers under the bus.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
No he's not
He’ll be a draft eligible sophomore — which would put him in the 2011 draft, not next year.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Aug 20, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Its 2011
And if a new CBA is agreed to before then, it could take affect in the final year of the current CBA which would screw Purke over big time
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Not if they agree to have it take over the last year of the current CBA
which is possible. Its no guarantee that it happens of course.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Pump Your Brakes, Daddy-O
“We mean what we say and we say what we mean.”
You may be a great father, but you suck at being an agent.
by Mister Naxal on Aug 20, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He must not adhere to the "Jesus wants you to be rich" brand of Christianity
by Mister Naxal on Aug 20, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll be sooooo glad when this Purke stuff dies down...
So we can move on to some other topic for unfettered Christian bashing…
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I'm a Christian
As one, I find it stupid and dishonest when people going after millions of dollars loudly and publicly play the “We’re just following God’s plan” card.
It rings false, and it’s obnoxious. What is the motivation to make this contention public? Look at me, look at me, I’m Godly.
Less squawkin, more walkin.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...
by Brian Thomas on Aug 20, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I find it very narcissistic
when people assume God plans every detail of their lives.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
no shit
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by inactive lsb user on Aug 21, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't think he is a Televangelist.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Well-played
"Damn right. damn right, great idea or maybe just make the punk his bitch right on the mound so all the christers in the audience can start praying and speaking in tongues and perhaps handling snakes – kind of like the scene in Bruno in the cage fight" –Stuntman Mike, on the idea of putting a hardened criminal on the team as an enforcer, and what it would be like to watch him charge the mound.
"How about during the 7th inning stretch from now on we have mass abortions on the field!!???!! Gritty nom nom nom baby JESUS donkey fuck spectacular!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can dig up TY COBBS BONES!!!AND USE THEM TO EVACUATE SOME LUCKY FANS UTERUS!!!!" –Section 339, in response to Stuntman Mike
Greed
Thats all its about. Greed and pride. I dont wish ill on the kid, but as a parent myself, there is no way I let him come between the right and wrong decision here. Thats his Dad’s responsibility to help him make the right decision.
“We told all 30 teams in the beginning what it would take and at the midnight hour, Aug. 17, the Texas Rangers and Matthew were not able to agree.”
If it were Matthew making the decision, then shame on you Dad for letting him have that power…. if it was actually Dad making the decision(which I believe), then its even worse. I get the feeling this was Dad caught up in the fantasy baseball like atmosphere trying to make the big trade, only this isnt OOTP man, this is your sons future. Shame on you.
Either way…. pitching in the area you just spurned might be tough for young Purke to deal with. I can imagine there will be some signs at the Horned Frog games reminding him what Greed get you…..
Josh Hamilton = Baseball Jesus : Chris Davis = Baseball Jesus' Younger Brother
by JJStuart on Aug 20, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
TCU games draw what, 500 people?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
well...
that leaves plenty of room for some REALLY BIG signs…..
Josh Hamilton = Baseball Jesus : Chris Davis = Baseball Jesus' Younger Brother
"Good point"
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Like this one?
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
by Jayslick on Aug 20, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
over bearing much?
If it were Matthew making the decision, then shame on you Dad for letting him have that power
Your nazi tendencies are showing.
smart dad vs moron dad
it’s got nothing to do with nazi tendencies. Rather it’s about realistic expectations and a modicum of knowledge about finances plus the attrition rate of HS pitchers.
wow
Show me an 18 year old responsible enough to make a 4 million dollar decision, and I……. wait, it just doesnt happen. Even if he is a mature 18 year old, you dont get to make the end call. Someone needs to step up and do whats best for him.
Josh Hamilton = Baseball Jesus : Chris Davis = Baseball Jesus' Younger Brother
+1
that comment shows he doesn’t remember being 18 and how stupid he was and/or that he has no kids and thinks parents should be completely hands off once kids are 18.
no
If you suck so bad as a parent that you didn’t get the point across in 18 years why should you be deciding anything? You should offer advice when asked at that point.
I have 2 kids, 3 and 1, they sure can’t decide everything for themselves but I give them an expanding pallet of choices to make for themselves.
Did your parents really make your decisions for you when you were 18? Do you still live with them? Do they dress you?
Take responsibility for yourself and as parents know that you’ve done enough that your kids will make intelligent choices with the decisions presented to them.
Just a reminder to everyone about the Matt Harrington story
Harrington’s wiki page. How did that end for Harrington?
In a recent ESPN the magazine article2 it was reported that Harrington is currently working for the local Costco store, in the tire department, making $11.50 per hour.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
it was for
a mil right?
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
okay,
that sounds right. i knew it was a pretty good settlement
I had the flu way before having the flu was cool
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
He's no...
Retired big league pitcher Mark Clark was no star, but he got paid like one. And now he’s living the good life—with all the toys to prove it
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Serious cheddar
He ought to hook up with Lenny Dykstra to help him invest it.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
What an athlete...
Amy and Mark make the hourlong drive to Springfield, home of the nearest shopping mall and the place where Mark can find Levis in his size: 40-inch waist, 36-inch inseam.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Aug 20, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, did I ever hate that Mark Clark signing
What a disaster free agency has been for this organization
Go Rice Owls!
"Put it on my tab..."
In the history of bad Rangers FA signings, It really gets lost in the shuffle…
That settlement makes sure that he can live comfortably for a while
But 11.50 an hour isn’t going to help you get anywhere
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
With 4 mil you don't have to work for $11.50 an hour.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Lawyers and taxes probably take off a good chunk of that
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
This kid and his dad are just greedy fools.
Do they not understand that the possibility of him getting anywhere close to 4m in 2011 is so slim?? WOW!! Some kids man.
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
Fucking stupid.
4 million is enough for 4 different people to live on for probably their whole life.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
That works out
with 4% interest to 45K a year for each of them for 50 years.
There are quite a few folks on this board doing better than that, I imagine.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
4 mil is still a *lot* of money
and the odds of him earning that much of a signing bonus in 2 years is tiny imho
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
If you pocket the money right. Put it in the right places
He could live more than comfortably off 4 million for the rest of his life.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
x
Put it in the right places
Like the gastank of Lenny Dykstra’s private plane.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
The numbers I show
don’t include taxes or agent commissions or the like.
You won’t live like a rich person on $4 million for the rest of your life if you are 20 and havea long live in front of you.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Maybe not like a rich person
but if you invest right and I know of a couple of things that will earn me double digits that’s pretty damn safe then I can be frugal for a few years till the sum total rises enough that I can earn interest sufficient to live a good lifestyle.
That is irrelevant though, its about security...
If he goes on to be the pitcher he is capable of being, he is going to be very very rich forever. The difference is if he would have signed with us for $4 mil, and then his career went down the crapper (injury, lack of sucess, etc.), he still would have $4 million, and could comfortably live without ever really worrying about making rent for the rest of his life. If his career goes down the crapper while he’s at TCU, well then I hope he is ready to do some real work, and make money doing something other than throwing a ball for the rest of his life.
my better is better than your better.
You can live off 45K a year
You aren’t rich, but you can live off it. Especially in Texas. Heck, there are probably many small Texas towns where that would make you the richest guy in town.
Go Rice Owls!
im sorry, but you can def live off of 45k a year
hell i lived off about 40 (before taxes) in washington DC…im sure you can in texas
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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"Taking steroids is only gonna make him whiff on those sliders in the dirt with more fury." -thedirkatron
by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
So purke needs to slip on some peepee at the costco?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
but they have to work everyday whereas 45k a year guy is smoking dubes and getting blown by drunk mediocre looking chicks while our guys do work
besides, 4% is weak sauce, ideally you can safely pull off 7% as a target and still not go crazy risky
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
how are they greedy
if they took the option where they don’t get paid?
That seems pretty ironic, huh?
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Jamie just stated that Cruz is up and Bourbon...
Did not get sent down!! YAY!! This organization is smart after all. Moscoso returned to AAA
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
Why the fuck is Eyre up and Moscoso down???
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 20, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter either way Jennings is pitching in their place.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Completly OT:
I just dont get it. Plax gets 2 years for shooting himself for crying out loud, and another idiot, Stallworth, who was drunk and ran over a dude, not himself, he killed someone else, gets 20 days?? Please someone explain that to me. Our justice system is to jacked its unbelievable.
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
Well
From what I understand, the victim’s family urged leniency, and there was a serious question about whether Stallworth was really at fault in the accident.
If I’m drunk, driving home, have a green light, go through the intersection driving the speed limit, and someone runs the light and I hit them and kill them, you can truthfully say that I killed someone while drinking and driving, but at the same time, drinking and driving didn’t cause the accident.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
drinking and driving is still worse than shooting yourself in the leg
Shooting yourself in the leg is punishment enough IMO
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
But is it worse than taking a loaded gun
into a nightclub with the safety off and proceed (presumably) to drink?
Is that ginnin' and gunning?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Maybe, maybe not
I have a feeling Burress wasn’t about to go in there shooting up the place and there is a sad precedent for NFL players getting killed by someone else carrying a gun.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Posted elsewhere out of place...
I’m not trying to make a value judgement here, but IF Plaxico wasn’t prepared to pull the gun and shoot it in a crowded club, then he has fuckall business carrying it in there. And if he does pull it to defend himself, he is putting LOTS of people in deadly risk.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
just the act of bringing it in there is dangerous
he was careless enough that he enabled it to go off and shoot himself. it’s not out of the realm of possibility to think it could have accidentally discharged and hit another patron. that;s enough reckless disregard to warrant some jail time i reckon.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Not 2 years worth though
And what actually happened should play a huge part in the punishment for the crime. What happened was that he shot himself in the leg and made himself look like a complete idiot. No one else got hurt but him. There are so many crimes that go unpunished, punishing someone just for reckless disregard seems pointless to me.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Then don't punish DWIs harshly either unless there's a wreck..
You can’t always wait for a horrible outcome to punish reckless conduct. The deterrent effect requires people to understand that just DOING it can have harsh consequences whether anything bad happens or not.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Just to clarify..
I think 2 years is excessive for a first offense too, but that’s the way the law is written. I also think that DWI punishments have gotten excessive too, but that’s effective lobbying at work.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Excessive punishments generally do a crappy job of deterring people from doing the crime
If you’re going to drink and drive, the thought of going to jail isn’t going to really stop you. Maybe the thought that you could die if you do would, but jail time usually isn’t much of a concern for them. Its the same thing with other crimes too. People don’t stop doing drugs just because they could go to jail.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Not true...
Lost of studies on DWIs and other crimes involving reckless conduct.
NO ONE expects the worst to happen, so the only chance at deterrence is to punish early in the chain of events. Especially for second offenses – the reason people with 1 DWI don’t drink and drive isn’t that they fear dying, it’s that they fear mandatory jail time for offense #2. The exception of course being the habitual drunk driver.
For “victimless” crimes like drug use, I agree completely.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
x
Especially for second offenses – the reason people with 1 DWI don’t drink and drive isn’t that they fear dying, it’s that they fear mandatory jail time for offense #2.
Or they fear all the sucky stuff they had to do as a result of the first one.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
"Good point"
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Once caught, people usually get a wake up call
That they aren’t invincible and can’t always get away with stuff. If the punishment for a DWI was such a great deterrent, they wouldn’t have been driving drunk to get caught in the first place.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
2 years is a bit much, but it's not completely excessive.
any exercise in comparing criminal sanctions for one case to those for another is completely futile. there will always be discrepancies between jurisdictions and injustices due to a variety of factors. of all the inadequacies of the various justice systems in america, plaxico getting two years hardly registers on my sympathy meter. if anything, he is a tad on the unlucky side that his celebrity and wealth didnt bring him a better outcome – which is usually the case.
and i don’t think the outcome should factor in too heavily in dishing out sanctions. we live in a probabilistic (probaballistic?) world, and sometimes when you make a stupid decision nothing will happen, other times it will result in a really bad outcome. the decision itself is what should be punished, not its chance products.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
^5 on the 2nd paragraph
I tried to make that point, but you did a much better job IMO.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
He had no criminal record
He was gainfully employed.
No one was hurt. Or threatened.
The gun was never anywhere but concealed on his person.
He acted in a extremely stupid and very careless manner, but I would think the main reason the penalty is so draconian is that in the State’s opinion, illegal gun possession out in public is typically perpetrated by violent, career criminals, criminals who frequently make use of their firearms in their line of work, and prey on helpless innocents.
He clearly does not fall into that category. He also plead guilty, and presumably had an A-list lawyer. There are people who get probation or much less time on assault convictions, spousal abuse, burglary, etc.
Consequently, I think he got a pretty raw deal. I wonder how much leeway the Judge and prosecution had.
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 20, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
apparently very little
if he’s convicted. i imagine they have as much as they want in plea negotiations. ive heard reports that he had previously turned down a deal to serve 3 months – if that’s true i have a hard time sympathizing with him. if he got a ‘raw deal’ he has no one to hold accountable for it but himself.
I disagree with the supposed rationale behind the law. I think it’s likely geared towards a more intermediate group of people – slightly shady folks, or wannabe gangsters, or just regular guys who like to pack heat. the logic being that mandatory penalties should be a good deterrent for those individuals to keep their guns at home. And guns at home, away from situations where there may be alcohol or tempers or large crowds or anything that can enhance by orders of magnitude the danger of a loaded firearm, makes communities safer.
i doubt the hardcore criminal thinks “Man, i was gonna commit that murder, but three and a half years for gun possession? No way im risking it by taking my piece out in public.” The deterrent effect is mainly intended for those least likely to willfully discharge a firearm in a public setting.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 21, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
Apparently very little if he’s convicted. i imagine they have as much as they want in plea negotiations,
Convictions are the only time leeway is an issue. And Plaxico’s deal was a plea bargain.
I’m not following.
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 21, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
i guess i mistook what you were wondering about
as i understand it, and i havent been following this case too closely, if he’s convicted at trial of some particular firearms offense, there is a mandatory minimum of 3.5 years, hence little to no leeway.
in a plea deal, that number can obviously fluctuate (i.e. he can plead to any number of lesser charges, with punishments and terms negotiated by both parties).
i’m not quite sure what leeway you were wondering about though.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 21, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
True,
but the argument will always be made that if you ‘werent drunk’ you could have avoided it. Being drunk and driving, no matter whose true fault it is, the drunk driver will take the hit.
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
Unless you are a judge and can get another judge to throw out your blood test!
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, but if you were texting, hauling ass, tailgating, putting your makeup on, a senile and semiblind bluehair, reading an email, cleaning the taco sauce off your pants while chirp chirping away on your cellie, it's all good
No worries. Just a little “accident.”
This is America. We sneer at double standards!
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by Brian Thomas on Aug 21, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
What is this 'justice system' you refer to??
Last I checked, there were 51 different systems.
It just so happens that NYC is a VERY serious gun control place.
Now, I’m not trying to make a value judgement here, but IF Plaxico wasn’t prepared to pull the gun and shoot it in a crowded club, then he has fuckall business carrying it in there. And if he does pull it to defend himself, he is putting LOTS of people in deadly risk.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Not to say that its a smart thing to pull a gun out and start firing public
But if someone pulls a gun on you and starts shooting at you, are you really concerned about putting other people at risk if its your life on the line?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
That's why I'm trained to carry and know the fucking laws...
He’s just another fake g carrying cuz he’s real…
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Also, is it all that likely that someone starts shooting at you unless you draw down too??
The man makes millions and has to protect himself?? Puhlese
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
I have an idea.
In the DFW area, they need to run, “What would you do for $4million dollars?” commercials, instead of “What would you do for a Klondike bar?” (assuming they still play these).
They could have people do all sorts of crazy shit, and then show Matt Purke, the fucktard who wouldn’t even play baseball for $4million.
"We mean what we say and we say what we mean." -The Purke Family
maybe that should be the rangers tagline next year
2009: built for fun
2010: what would you do for $4 million?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
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by knockoutking on Aug 20, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
we could make it into a competition.
winner gets to throw out the first pitch in a Matt Purke #4 jersey.
"We mean what we say and we say what we mean." -The Purke Family
by TagDon'tTweet on Aug 20, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I truly hope
he never makes a million dollars playing baseball, for such a truly ignorant business decision
3.5 million dollars
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
That has a .02% chance of happening.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
Is this % chance the actual percent from previous draft picks who didn't sign or just a stab in the dark?
by Mark from OC on Aug 20, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
it's the % chance that a deranged Ranger fan stabs him in the dark
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by willamos2 on Aug 20, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I giggled out loud...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Off subject
The lineup: 1. Julio Borbon, dh; 2. Michael Young, 3b; 3. Josh Hamilton, cf; 4. Marlon Byrd, lf; 5. Ian Kinsler, 2b; 6. Nelson Cruz, rf; 7. Hank Blalock, 1b; 8. Taylor Teagarden, c; 9. Elvis Andrus, ss.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
anyone else tired
of Borbon being the DH…? I wanna see his defense, anyone know what is up with that?
my better is better than your better.
Wash wants a team of 9 veterans.
He don’t like these damn kids.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
According to Grant...
…they think Cruz, Byrd, Murphy, and Hamilton are all better defenders than Borbon.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
no
you saw it the other night right?
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by studcrackers on Aug 20, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
he has a johnny damon-esque arm
his strength is he can cover ground as well as anyone
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by studcrackers on Aug 20, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm wondering if they think Borbon is going to end up being over-anxious or something
Not many people would say that Borbon is a worse OF than at least Murphy
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
What did Borbon play at OKC? Center?
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
So he is learning a new position, albeit slight change in a different park at a new level.
I see how that would make you look a little off.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
i could
sort of understand byrd/cruz/hambone but murphy? mediocre arm doesnt cover as much ground as borbon
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by studcrackers on Aug 20, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
they think
or Wash thinks?
Borbon’s arm is terrible but he can get to every ball they can plus several more.
We generally knew about the arm...
but his speed isn’t making up for his interesting jumps/reads/routes so far from what I’ve seen in LF.
that's cause Wash put him in left
rather than the centerfield he’s played most of his baseball life.
Okay, I know the plan was Cruz, Hamilton, and Borbon
With Borbon in center but he does have a weak arm. Can we still do that?
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Murphy fuck sucks
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Aug 20, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
he just is what he is
he doesnt suck, but he doesnt have a buttload of range, his arm if better than Jules Whiskey is only slightly. The difference at this point is mental savvy defensively. i dunno if thats enough or not for a regular spot in the line up but i figure wash thinks he wont make as many mistakes down the stretch.
i do see people falling in love with murph b/c he doesnt really suck at anything as opposed to falling in love with a guy b/c he excels in an area.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
-brettgardner on Jul 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
He's DH because he's our best hitter
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 20, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
the gut thinks outfield defense means catching pop ups
no need for the chocolate Ichiro, its not like you run in the outfield….
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by Hamiltons Homey on Aug 20, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: So what positions will be targets in the offseason?
I assume Blalock/Jones/Byrd will all be gone (although I guess I could see them inviting Byrd back).
What do we do with DH? That seems to me to be the only lineup spots that will truly be open (assuming Smoak is at 1B). You’d like to think Davis will fill the DH spot, but there has to be a backup/platoon plan B type, right?
Is Pudge done at the end of the year?
Is Vizquel asked to return?
Doesn’t seem to be many spots for improving the team outside of internal promotions.
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I think it is more likely...
…Davis is at 1B to start next season than Smoak.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 20, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Team will improve with experience - that what 2009 was supposed to be about.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you pretty much see this team as it will be for the next few years, at least the majority of it.
Improvement will come from the young kids growing and getting more experience.
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
Vizquel
The Rangers should ask him to return as they have no one as good to replace him at utility IF right now. The decision will be his as to whether he is done with baseball or not.
by Mark from OC on Aug 20, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Arias? :)
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
The Astros didn't even want him at the PTBNL
That’s gotta say something
by Mark from OC on Aug 20, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I think him getting a shot was a severe blow to his career.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Whomever mixed that shot needs to be shot
Because a normal Blow is Baileys and and Amaretto with whipped cream on top.
by Mark from OC on Aug 20, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
FAs
Anyone interesting that woul dbe a UT player?
Second basemen
Ronnie Belliard (35)
Jamey Carroll (36)
Alex Cora (34)
Craig Counsell (39)
Mark DeRosa (35)
David Eckstein (35)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
Orlando Hudson (32)
Akinori Iwamura (31) – $4.25MM club option with a $250K buyout
Adam Kennedy (34)
Felipe Lopez (30)
Mark Loretta (38)
Pablo Ozuna (35)
Placido Polanco (34)
Freddy Sanchez (32) – $8MM club option with a $600K buyout; vests with 600 PAs
Juan Uribe (31)
Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera (35)
Alex Cora (34)
Craig Counsell (39)
Bobby Crosby (30)
Adam Everett (33)
Chris Gomez (39)
Alex Gonzalez (32) – $6MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Khalil Greene (30)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
John McDonald (35)
Marco Scutaro (34)
Miguel Tejada (36)
Omar Vizquel (43)
Jack Wilson (32) – $8.4MM club option with a $600K buyout
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
My guess right now
Davis plays 1B to begin the season and the Rangers take a chance on an NRI for the DH spot. They are likely still looking at Smoak being ready next season so if you don’t hit on the NRI, its no big deal.
Pudge is asked to return if Salty doesn’t return this year.
Vizquel is asked to return, too, and will accept another utility IF job for next season.
I think the best thing to do for this team though would be to put Davis at 3B next season, Smoak at 1B (a few weeks into the season), and put Young at DH. Davis isn’t that good at 3B, but its likely going to be as bad as Young with a solid chance of improving a bit as he plays there more. Won’t ever happen though
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
unless Smoak is raking
we dont need him here to start the season.
by corbsclinton on Aug 20, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
MY will likely
be avg defensively at 3B next year. Davis won’t.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Young has been better at 3'rd recently and Davis wasn't good there last year.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 20, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
if smoak isnt ready
please let them go after thome on a 1-year deal
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i like that idea
A real DH/1B platoon guy.
by corbsclinton on Aug 20, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
he tears it up at the ballpark (lifetime OPS 1.029)
plus he provides substantial OBP, something we are sorely lacking. if you kept our lineup the same and just replaced blalock with thome, that would be a huge improvement.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
im on board
Keepin it Classy Gentlemen
There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites men to wish all to be powerful and honored. This passion tends to elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.
-Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835
by Hamiltons Homey on Aug 20, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He tore it up against our pitching
God I hate that argument that people on other teams did whatever here. Yeah they were playing us not for us
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
But I would be on board with a Thome 1 year deal however
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It's not like he's a scrub with
a sudden spike in production when he hits here. his whole body of work is what makes him attractive, but a track record of superlative success here against probably 50 + different pitchers is a nice addendum to what is already a strong case.
it seems reasonable to think that a pull hitter with power should fare better in a ballpark with the dimensions of RBPIA. it’d take some complicated ANOVAs to figure out precisely how much of his success here is the ballpark and how much is the pitchers, which Im not going to do frankly, but i dont buy that it is irrelevant and should be discounted.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 20, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Front-line Starting pitching.
DH.
Vizquel for backup infielder. Maybe some arms to throw at the bullpen again.
by GhettoBear04 on Aug 20, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
There's probably a team out there that would give Vizquel a starting gig next season
But you know winning a championship with the Rangers would really make him think I think
by oc on Aug 20, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Highest Bonuses In Draft History
Purke wanted to be #2, all-time!
Stephen Strasburg, rhp Nationals, 2009 (No. 1) *$7,500,000
Donavan Tate, of Padres, 2009 (No. 3) +$6,250,000
Buster Posey, c Giants, 2008 (No. 5) $6,200,000
Tim Beckham, ss Rays, 2008 (No. 1) +$6,150,000
Justin Upton, ss Diamondbacks, 2005 (No. 1) +$6,100,000
Matt Wieters, c Orioles, 2007 (No. 5) $6,000,000
Pedro Alvarez, 3b Pirates, 2007 (No. 2) *$6,000,000
Eric Hosmer, 1b Royals, 2007 (No. 3) $6,000,000
Dustin Ackley, of Mariners, 2009 (No. 2) *$6,000,000
David Price, lhp Devil Rays, 2007 (No. 1) *$5,600,000
Joe Borchard, of White Sox, 2000 (No. 12) +$5,300,000
Joe Mauer, c Twins, 2001 (No. 1) +$5,150,000
Jacob Turner, rhp Tigers, 2009 (No. 9) *$4,700,000
B.J. Upton, ss Rays, 2002 (No. 2) +$4,600,000
Mark Teixeira, 3b Rangers, 2001 (No. 5) *$4,500,000
*Part of major league contract. +Bonus spread over multiple years under baseball’s two-sport rule.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
maybe Matt Purke should give Joe Borchard a call
see if he has any insight on his decision
Keepin it Classy Gentlemen
There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites men to wish all to be powerful and honored. This passion tends to elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.
-Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835
by Hamiltons Homey on Aug 20, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever
Everyone here was thrilled when Porcello dropped to the Rangers.
If everybody here also knew at the time that Purke and family wanted Porcello and Becket-type deals of $7MM plus, most would still say – “F it, they’ll come to their senses. Purke and his dad have to know he’s no Porcello or Becket.” At least I would have.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
That was the thinking
and its the most logical type of thinking. Unless your negotiating with a nuke up your sleeve you realize theres going to be some give and take. And that doesn’t mean you give us 7 million and we take it.
I think the Rangers believed a 4 million dollar bonus, one of the 5 highest in this years draft should have been enough to get it done, and I think if you had asked almost every pundit out there before the draft if they thought that would get it done with Purke to the Rangers I bet they would have said yes, and that the Rangers were over paying.
I think the family made a poor decision, unless he turns into Strassburg. He most likely cost himself a year or two to the majors and has a significant chance to drop past 14 when he enters the draft again.
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