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Stat of the Day

Their performances from July 29 (the "hard deadline" for the Blue Jays to trade Roy Halladay, according to J.P. Ricciardi) to the present:

GS Record IP H R ER BB K HR HBP ERA
Roy Halladay 5 2-3 37 46 18 14 3 28 7 2 3.41
Derek Holland 5 4-1 34 23 8 7 8 28 4 0 1.85

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Well that settles it

Holland is the superior pitcher.

by pblack on Aug 21, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Well everything looks great,

except for those walks. Walks are what kills pitchers in Arlington.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Aug 21, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

When you aren't giving up many hits they don't hurt that much

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 21, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do batters who walk in Arlington...

…get awarded two bases?

Walks are bad everywhere.

I have no objection to man walking on the moon.

by Chad Crudup on Aug 21, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arlington is a hitters park

and homeruns can fly out of this park very easily. it hurts a pitcher more to walk someone in Arlington rather than San Diego.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Aug 21, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

That kinds of depends

on whose park factors you’re looking at. It’s definitely not neutral to lefties.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 21, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but the idea that walks are particularly egregious in Arlington...

…is a little too simplistic to me. They’re bad everywhere.

It’s not like the FO for San Diego sees a pitcher who walks a relatively larger number of batters and says “that’s OK we play our home games at Petco, we can live with the extra walks”.

Pitchers need to get outs, avoid giving up walks, hits, and extra-base hits…whrerever they play their home games.

I have no objection to man walking on the moon.

by Chad Crudup on Aug 21, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on the walks thing

bad anywhere.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 21, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still think that part of the "hitters park" issue comes from having a powerful offense and sucktastic pitchers for a long time

When you have a lineup filled with sluggers and a pitching staff full of spares and Quad-A guys, yeah your park is going to see a lot balls flying over the fences.

With the team we’re building now, I bet we see the park trend a lot more neutral.

"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT

by WestTxAg06 on Aug 21, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, I have many friends who went to ACU

I’m an Aggie from West Texas (just north of Abilene, actually), though, not a West Texas A&M’er.

"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT

by WestTxAg06 on Aug 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

ACU

is kinda the Memphis of Div. II

by mo on Aug 21, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Park factors

have nothing to do with the talent on the club. Do you think the people figuring park factors are too stupid to think about that?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 21, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

In fairness, I don't profess to be an expert on some of the ways of calculating park factor

Isn’t it based, in part, on how many home runs are hit at the park?

"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT

by WestTxAg06 on Aug 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, but

they are also factoring in how the players hit HRs at other parks, and the rate includes visiting players as well.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 21, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

So our historically

shitty pitching staff could have an impact on park factors then, right?

by Anonymous New Guy on Aug 21, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

unless the Rangers used a different set of pitchers for home games versus away games.

by cjcheng on Aug 21, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, the visiting players is part of my point

They probably hit more homers at the Ballpark in previous years because they were facing Robinson Tejeda, John Koronka, Mickey Callaway, and others like that, not Derek Holland and Neftali Feliz. So that would skew the homer friendliness of the park a little.

I understand that those same pitchers were sucking for the Rangers on the road too. But my thought is that, when you combine a sucky pitcher with a park that admittedly does favor hitters, it exacerbates the hitter friendliness more than it would if you combined the same park with pitchers who don’t suck as much. Am I all wet in my understanding of the issue?

"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT

by WestTxAg06 on Aug 21, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, all wet.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 21, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why

Blalock doesn’t walk. Walks are bad everywhere…

by MikeEl on Aug 21, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Heh, I was just thinking

that you probably had another post preset for 11:00.

Holland will pass Millwood soon for the team lead in K’s, and Nippert’s rate is just above Holland’s, to say nothing of the big three K guys in the bullpen. It’s nice to have some strikeout pitchers on the staff.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 21, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Nippert – K/9 – 7.75 BB/9 – 3.522
Holland – K/9 – 7.17 BB/9 – 2.796
Hunter – K/9 – 5.87 BB/9 – 2.935
Millwood – K/9 – 5.62 BB/9 – 3.129
Feldman – K/9 – 4.92 BB/9 – 2.883

as longs as those BB/9’s stay low, I’d be happy with those K rates

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Aug 21, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Feldman's raising K/9 is nice.

Gives me more confidence that he can stick in the rotation for the next few years.

by GhettoBear04 on Aug 21, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Feldman's K rates

Higher in April than in May, June, or July (July was very low) then quite high in August:
April – 6.2
May – 4.4
June – 4.3
July – 3.4
August – 7.7

SSS an issue for each of those numbers, but I think it’s a stretch to say his K rate is increasing. Oddly enough, his ERA was higher in the months his K rate was up.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Aug 21, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Feldman K-rate and his curve

Just based on watching him pitch, I’d say the climbing K-rate is largely due to the increased usage and effectiveness of his curveball, which has dramatically improved this season. Although I noticed that his last start, which was relatively poor, he didn’t throw that pitch much at all. Hopefully just a blip and not a sore arm or anything like that.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

yea, I've been saying that for a while

with his improved command and increased useage of the curve, I think his K-Rates will climb… thats why i have hopes for him being an above average SP going forward

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 21, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

April he was also a reliever

All it takes is a 2K inning to bump up your K/9 numbers in such a short sample

I think Feldman is the perfect example of a guy who can succeed “pitching to contact”. Doing so allows him to get deeper into games and be more effective. When he tries to strike more guys out he ends up losing some of his effectiveness

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 21, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Feldman's K rate

usually corresponds with his G:F ratio. When he’s getting lots of grounders, his K rate drops but his ERA improves. I noticed that last year and its been the same this year. I don’t know what to make of it.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

what to make of it

Is he has alot of movement on his pitches I imagine. That 2 seamer he throws darts in on RHB and away on LHB and guys make weak contact on it resulting in alot of groundouts. When he doesn’t have his best movement he tries to paint too much and get guys to chase stuff out of the zone which leads to deeper counts, more balls over the plate, but also more strikeouts.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 21, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

how many people that were complaining to trade for Hallady

would now give up Hunter, Holland, Borbon and Smoak? All of that to win this year, when these guys give us not only a better chance to win this year (exception of Smoak) and especially years to come.

I love that we have stuck to the plan and it is starting to pay off earlier. This last month of the season is crucial not only for our chances of making the playoffs, but in teaching these kids about how to win under the pressure of a pennant race.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Aug 21, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions  

hilarious

i called those people absolute idiots and at this point…i think i was being kind

by Horns130 on Aug 21, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you seen Cliff Lee's line?

Mr. Amaro’s got chunks of Ricciardi in his stool…

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

We'll show you Obama's birth certificate as soon as you show us Sarah Palin's high school diploma...

by Brian Thomas on Aug 21, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I was about to post the same thing, minus the stool chunks

Lee in Philly:

33.0 ip, 18 hits, 0 hr, 6 bb, 34 k, 0.82 era, 0.73 whip, .161 baa

4 dominant starts and 4 wins.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Aug 21, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didnt understand when people where calling Lee not a TORG and saying that he wasnt in the same realm

as Halladay. I still think Halladay is a bit better, but the difference is almost nil. Lee is a darn good pitcher and he’s proven that for over a year and a half… all his indicators say that he’s good too.

"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"

by blalock84 on Aug 21, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

It must be nice

as a pitcher to make the move to AAAA

"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs

by BAC on Aug 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Just ask Ted Lilly

Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee

by Baseball North on Aug 21, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This just in

Derek Holland is for real.

Officially gay for Neftali Feliz

by RCCook on Aug 21, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

He looked ticked off when Worsh yanked him last night.

Wouldn’t look him in the eye and started cussin’ into his glove.

by shroomer on Aug 21, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

One depressing quote from him last night

He said the heat got to him and he was tired. Hopefully the heat doesnt do us in again

by Feliz es bueno on Aug 21, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

We don't play another home game till September

Hopefully it won’t still be 100 degrees at game time by then

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Aug 21, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

as long as this road trip is

it could be good to get away from the Texas heat.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Aug 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was pissed at Wash

He was pissed at himself.

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 21, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's young

he got the team in the bases load jam, he was upset, and he wanted to get the team out of the jam. no pitcher wants to come out like that.

at least Wash learned from his mistake the last two days.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Aug 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree

sorta angry and embarrassed he couldn’t cowboy up and extricate himself this time

by shroomer on Aug 21, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the impression I got.

He was pissed that he’d loaded the bases, not that he was getting pulled.

by Athos on Aug 21, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wonder what he keeps yelling into

his glove when he gets yanked from a game?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because he learns from other's mistakes.

Hunter’s grandmother and mother recently busted him for screaming obscenities when he was pulled for a game, they could easily read his lips. Now, he puts his glove over his mouth when he cusses, and no one gets upset with him.

This Derek, he’s sneaky smaht!

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Aug 21, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

grandmas

always bustin chops

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Aug 21, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh. Mine could have out-cussed any of these upstart kids.

by Athos on Aug 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow. Given up half the amount of hits

in more innings. Riccardi is a dumbass. What if he had given in to our offer of Neftali and possibly Smoak. How does he still have a job? Thanks to Kenny Williams

by Feliz es bueno on Aug 21, 2009 11:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

good situation for Holland.

He will be the #2 next year behind Millwood even though he may be the superior pitcher. Let Millie take on the pressure of being the #1. In 2011, Holland becomes the ace. Hopefully not just in name but in results on the field also.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

What's exciting is that

Feliz can give Holland a run for his money as the Ace as well.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Aug 21, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd have to guess

that Feldman would be slotted #2 starting next season, unless of course they think he’d be better off in the bullpen…

by MikeEl on Aug 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like a

Millwood, Holland, Feldman top of the rotation.

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Aug 21, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like a...

Sheets, Holland, Feliz top of the rotation.

Millwood and Feldman can be the 4/5 guys. =P

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Aug 21, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did I screw that up last night?

I calculated Holland’s ERA in that stretch to be 1.85.

by Jamey Newberg on Aug 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I did the math wrong

B-R hadn’t updated, so I couldn’t use the automatic calculator with the game logs, and for some reason I gave him 2 extra ERs.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 21, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

could you please just go back to ruining people's lives?

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Aug 21, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

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