Rangers to recall Chris Davis
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 23, 2009 8:57 PM CDT
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PrintWith the Rangers offense continuing to struggle and the Rangers getting almost nothing from first baseman Hank Blalock and DH Andruw Jones, T.R. Sullivan reports that the Rangers will be calling up Chris Davis from AAA Oklahoma to take over as the team's first baseman when they play against on Tuesday in New York.
Davis lost his job in early July after having one of the worst first halves imaginable, but since his demotion, both Blalock and Jones have stopped hitting, and it seems the Rangers are looking to Davis -- who reportedly has made significant adjustments in his mechanics since going down to AAA -- to improve on what little they've done the past six weeks.
Not sure what the corresponding roster move will be as far as the 25 man roster would be, but I'd assume it will either be Doug Mathis being optioned, or Andruw Jones being waived.
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AJ to dl
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
this is a good thing
yep
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AJ to DL or DFA'd or DNR
It would be nice to keep Mathis around as the long man…but I think he is gone anyway when McCarthy is given the clean bill of health.
by RonWashingtonsBadinGameDecisions on Aug 23, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions
McCarthy
He’ll be activated after the rosters expand.
I’m still not sure how the post-season rosters work; I’ve seen conflicting views and I couldn’t find anything to explain the current rules.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 23, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think McCarthy would be elligible for the postseason
as hes currently on the DL.
Davis had to be brought up prior to the 1st to be eligible I think.
What do voluntary mean?
McCarthy
He’s not on the 40-day roster, though.
Players on the 15-day DL are definitely eligible, but I’m not sure about guys on the 60-day DL, since they aren’t on the 40-day roster.
That said, someone indicated the other day that the rules had been relaxed, so I don’t really know anymore.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 23, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The way I read it they are
Guys on the 60 day DL can be eligible if they come off it or someone not on the Aug 31st roster can be substituted for them as long as they were on the 40 man on Aug 31
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Roster move
Seems like the options are:
1. Jones to the DL
2. Release Jones
3. Mathis to AAA
4. Release Blalock
I’ve been a supporter of Jones, but his .694 post-All Star OPS isn’t helping. Given the option of being released or resting up for 15 days with a chance to be on the post-season roster, I suspect that hamstring might really hurt in the morning.
AJ to the DL would be my bet.
Although I don’t see him being brought back up after his 15 days are up and probably not even for the postseason.
by behindthebag on Aug 23, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldn't optioning Mathis leave the bullpen an arm short?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Bullpen
I suspect they could go with a 6-man bullpen for 7 games, but yes it would be an arm short of what they’ve generally had this season.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 23, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
they won't need a full compliment of pitchers if they make play-offs
so having a few on DL now will give them options for play-offs
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
We have several on the 60 day DL so we have plenty of options
If in fact the rule is August 31st for postseason eligibility. We can simply sub someone not on the 31st roster for a 60 day DLer and use them
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Is that a good idea given the trends of our starters lately?
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
I don't want to play the Yankees
with a 6 man bullpen. Heck, I would prefer an 8 man pen vs them.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Bullpen
They could also push Nippert back in the rotation with tomorrow’s off day and have him in the bullpen for the first couple games in NY.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I did hear they would give everybody extra day but plans could change.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's what they are doing
But I also think that’s a bad idea.
It’s a one month sprint to the playoffs. If you can substitute a couple of Nippert starts for one more Feldman and Holland start, you do that.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know they are starting to show signs of fatigue but I'm still not sold on Nippert just yet.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Milly is certainly a candidate
that could use the extra day of rest. He has run out of gas early his last couple of outings.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Aug 23, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
messing up those "core" muscles really saps strength
Look at Hamilton, also.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Blalock defensive lapses over the weekend appear to be the final straw.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
Evan Grant is implying
the errant pick off throws may be playing a factor in the move.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Well remember
errors on throws are usually credited to the thrower not the 1b.
What do voluntary mean?
plus the throw that Elvis made that looked like it could have been caught, also.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
And I'd guess Davis makes the stretch there.
Blalock had a terrible game today, all the way around.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Hack ducked his head there
right when the ball bounced. I dont know how nobody noticed that, it was blatantly obvious. That was a very catchable ball. Kind of hard when youre looking at the ground though.
Testicals. That is all.
the one today look like alligator arms.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Blalock shat all over himself.
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 23, 2009 9:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He had more than a fair chance.
Face prolly even aproves by now.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Coolidge
by hubcityraider on Aug 23, 2009 9:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He will if he truly wants to be on a winner
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Odd concept isn't it?
The Rangers a winner and will be for years to come.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Face is going apeshit
trying to get to the postseason. Every time he gets a base hit he has that look of “Yeah, screw you Hank. I’m carrying This Thing.”
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Face might have been the one to make the call.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
The two today weren’t good. I think that Hank’s physical limitations may have contributed to the previous throw-aways from Feliz and Holland, but those were bad throws. Today, his short reach, right-handedness, and lack of all out effort combined to hurt them.
by Brett Perryman on Aug 23, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Our long national first base nightmare is...
…over?
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Aug 23, 2009 9:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yes, rip them off and burn them like
Women did in the 70’s with their bras.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
let's just have women burn their bra's again.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Golf ball in a tube sock for a lot of them are you prepared for that?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
And thanks for that image...
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
PSA
Not all women are Baywatch babes running down the beach with their perky tits bouncing.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
But if I have to dream about something...
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I've found I can't watch those while I'm asleep.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I don't know
I guess they buy it On Demand.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on Aug 23, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I assumed they just watched
all the free porn on the internet.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
There are dozens
of youtube style porn sites now. I’m amazed that the porn industry survives.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
The Great Blalock War is finally over.
And it was a massacre.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Let the great Davis war of late august begin
:-)
What do voluntary mean?
Please, no...
Let’s move on and let the healing begin?
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
This has been a wonderfull day
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
wouldn't be complete without that.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Someones head is about to splode!!
Either that or he has his dress blues on right now with a gun in his mouth.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
who are you refering to?
Do I get 3 guesses first two don’t count?
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well only a noob would need more than one guess.
So yes you are correct.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
I think I wouldn't mind seeing Pudge 2/3 in New York.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
I don't doubt it.
In fact, I’d prefer it.
Yes, Tea is the future of this team, but in the middle of this pennant race, we need someone with Pudge’s experience.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Aug 23, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No Salts is the future
Tea will be shipped off this winter with Pina and MaxRam coming soon.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Shipping Tea in the offseason would be selling at his all-time low
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes I understand that but..
…do you really think his stock will every improve that much?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Doubt it
His offense last year was way better than should have been expected. Everyone got all starry-eyed over him and over-valued him in the off-season, here at LSB, in the Ranger’s FO and in other team’s FOs. It sounded like the Rangers considered him untouchable. In retrospect, we should have shipped him off to Boston in a package for Bucholz (if that was ever actually on the table). Or even in a trade involving Bard.
Now, unless he somehow turns it around in the last month, he will never be that valuable again. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Pudge get more playing time going forward, given that he’s hitting when he’s in, and the Ranger’s fans love him, and RW loves him some vets.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 23, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That is why I think he gets traded this winter
And I really don’t think either of those deals with the Sox were ever on the table.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
I don't think Bucholz was available
That was just wishful thinking. I thought Bard had been mentioned (by them), though. Its been so long, though, that I can’t remember. And almost everything talked about was just speculation anyway. So, who knows.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 23, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
same with Salty, I think
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Salts has a higher upside that Tea does
imho fwiw btw.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
btw, IMHO, i agree
Salty has offensive upside of V-Mart. Yea, that seems like a stretch now, but remember Salty still is a rushed to the big leagues 23 yr old w/o a ton of ML abs
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Teagarden
I think his offseason value will probably be determined by how he performs the last month and a half of this season.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 23, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel someone will get shipped not sure who.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hallelujah!
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 23, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions
Talk about pitchers going deep into start
Beckett gives up a run in 5 straight innings and out there for the 7’th.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
Yes but
Both teams BP’s have got a lot of work the past few days.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
good
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
First game was something like
21-11 Yanks
14-1 Sox yesterday
Pens equal toast right now. We can hope that it gets to extra innings and the Yankmees with in 24.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Close enough lol
Oh iorange IM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SORRY!!!
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
if you can guarantee Yanks win.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
back out for the 8'th
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
WOO
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Aug 23, 2009 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
rec
I miss Arrested Development.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
"Has anyone in this family ever even seen a chicken?"
"Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane." ---Red, The Shawshank Redeption
another HR
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
I don't mind admiting I would be howling if Wash did this.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
So when will we know the corresponding move?
3:00pm on Tuesday?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
I love that Papeldouche could lose his closers job.
Or be traded. That guy is probably the biggest douche in baseball.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
He won't lose his job........
Billy Wagner, in his prime, was a very good reliver.
Papelbon is an elite reliever
Mariano, Nathan, and Papelbon and then a big drop to the rest of the closers in MLB
Feliz isn't the "closer" yet
Feliz has been great since he’s been brought up but it will take time until he’s up there with established guys like Rivera and Nathan because they’ve been doing their thing for a long time.
I’ve been enjoying the ride with Feliz but I want to make sure there’s no sophomore slump before I group him with Rivera and Nathan.
we DON"T want Feliz as a closer
I’d rather have him pitch 7 innings of dominating ball than 1.
he is not a max effort guy when he throws that hard. seems better suited to starting if he can.
AN ACE PEOPLE, he would be an ACE.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Yep.
If he winds up a closer it’ll probably mean he failed as a starter.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
What if next year we have 2 - 20 game winners (Holland & Feliz)and a couple of 15's
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 24, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
that would be acceptable
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Aug 24, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
What's hilariously awesome is that you say that
And it’s not terribly unrealistic. Even though just a year or two ago the idea of one 20 game winner on the Rangers staff would have been laughable..
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
hyperbole
not even biggest douche on his own team
you obviously aren’t familiar with youk
defeatist pussy lives here
by sam in so cal on Aug 24, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Great News
for Crush Davis.
OT: Derek Jeter, 1st Inning Play
Anyone notice the Jeter play in the first inning? He goes 3 steps to his left (in slow Jeter fashion) and makes that JUMP-throw thing he likes. Meanwhile, Morgan, et al, rave about the play. “Incredible! He does that play better than anyone…”
Elvis would not need the jump-throw because he’d field it straight up. Maybe back-hand it. Either way, we have a killer SS.
This year
the stats say Jeter is actually a decent defender. But I do think that he does some theater in his plays to make them look better.
What do voluntary mean?
luck and positioning
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
can't compare year to year UZR stats
the lg avg that each player is compared to changes each year. Jeters “improved” UZR numbers probably indidcate that the SS defense in the AL has regressed this year.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Jeter's "improved" UZR could indicate a lot of things,
including worsened league-wide defense at short.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Isn't that what I said? :)
In maybe a not so direct way.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
you said "probably indicate"...
when “possibly indicate” is probably more appropriate… subtle difference.
Also, I’ve read stories about Joe Girardi and Brian Cashman convincing Jeter to work on some things, with the result being that Jeter is better positioned and has a quicker first step. I don’t watch the Yankees unless Texas is playing, so I know nothing more than this anecdote. Don’t be killing me, I’m only the messenger.
We’ll know a lot better after next year whether the improvement is real or a stat fluke.
You said the improved UZR was "probably" due to "regression"
in AL defense at shortstop, which isn’t the same thing. May seem like semantics, but when talking about stats, using those sorts of words carefully is important.
And I’m guessing there’s little to no evidence for worsened overall AL shortstop performance being responsible for Jeter’s UZR. I base that in part on the fact that Dewan’s plus/minus has Jeter as a +7 as of Joe Posnanski’s SI article last week, in part on reports that Jeter worked hard on his defense for this season, and in part on the fact that sample and measurement error could also be culprits.
I think you could be selling Jeter short, so to speak, but I also think (like bhudson) that it would be too soon to make any definitive statements about Jeter’s defense (improved or not) based on the defensive metrics alone…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Also, given the roster of AL shortstops this year, compared to (say) last,
I’d be surprised if there were any significant statistical differences in the quality of defense at the position league-wide.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
wow
Ya’ll beating me up early this morning. :)
I didn’ t know Jeter had been working on inmproving his defense. I think everyone assumes that players are always looking to improve thier game. That is a wrong assumption.
Andrus and Everett are two new AL shortstops this year. Seems like that would have raised the lg avg this year making Jeter’s UZR look even better this year. This whole subthread just stengthens my belief that thier just isn’t a good measure of a players defensive ability.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
Heh. You can take it ~ just drink more coffee.
I’m not trying to pile on (really), but I’m fairly certain you’ve got the effect of (overall) league-wide improvement in defense at short backward.
If you think AL shortstops are better defensively this season relative to last, and that Jeter’s defensive performance this season is exactly the same as it was last, then (assuming no differences in sample or measurement error between 2008 and 2009) you’d expect his 2009 UZR (which is compared to the seasonal average) to be worse than his 2008.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
And I obviously disagree about the metrics,
but that’s a whole ’nuther ball of wax.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
also
Alexi Ramirez is a new SS in the AL this year. He effectively replaced Bobby Crosby as a full-time SS in the AL. I’d think that would raise the league average UZR a little too.
And the Baltimore 09 SS Izturis/Andino would figure to be a slight improvement over 08 SS Castro/Cintron
Boston’s 09 SS Nick Green/Lugo would figure to be better than 08 SS Lugo/Cora/Lowrie
And Mike Aviles played 2/3rds of 08 as a full-time SS and his playing time was effectively replaced in 09 by Jack Wilson/RonnyCedeno/whatever SSs KC used before the traded for Betancourt. I’d figure the 09 group would improve the UZR over Aviles.
I guess Scutaro and Punto getting more playing time at SS this year compared to last would figure to cause the UZR to be a little worse this year.
The stats also show Tex below average (UZR).
And Blalock ahead of Davis but my eyes said differently. Maybe they need some work for 1B.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Single-season UZR's a poor way to draw conclusions about true underlying defensive ability.
Basically a quote from MGL.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
yea, im having my doubts about how good UZR is as a whole
just so many fluctutions from year to year. Id love to see what some of these teams use to measure defense. I know the Ranger’s have their own measurement tool
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I do think that over all
our defense this year has been damned good. Young is closer to average than it has been at 3b for us in a while. Andrus is stellar and will only get better. Kinsler/Omar were doing very well.
The one thing I’d like to see at this point is Borbon in CF. I just wonder if the extra speed would help out enough to negate the arm difference.
What do voluntary mean?
As a whole, UZR is as good as the best defensive metrics available to the public.
Fluctuations from year to year are to be expected, and can actually be useful data.
But using one season’s worth of UZR to determine that a player’s underlying defensive ability has improved or fallen off? Not so much.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I don't have a problem with UZR but it seems lacking at 1B for some reason.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its because
it rewards making the play probably over digging the bad throw. Though I don’t know exactly how they calculate it.
What do voluntary mean?
Scoops are issues for pretty much all defensive metrics I know of.
Some further reading: MGL at FanGraphs on scoops.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I don't understand this...
It wouldn’t be tough to find the league average percentage of scoops and see how many you are above that.
Seems the equivalent of one missed opportunity to field a ball.
I know that some scoops are more difficult than others, but it would be a hell of a start for the metrics
As I read it, MGL's saying the play-by-play data for "scoops"
aren’t available, at least to him.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
(So he's using a proxy, and the WOWY method, to get around that.)
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
i just think there's a problem with it because UZR definitely does not account for
speed of runners, positioning of the fielders which alot of times isnt their call, and there is a ton of luck involved in the way a ball bounces, the field surface they are playing on, alot of stuff that just cant be measured and likely swings ratings several points alone over a season…. Even if i didnt have all those reasons, the fluctuations from year to year are kind of damning, imo.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
The fluctuations from year to year are not at all damning.
Some of the rest of what you touch on falls into the category of measurement error; some of it’s sample error. MGL himself admits the persistence of both in UZR, and of course they are also present in (say) Dewan’s plus/minus and other systems.
The question is whether such errors ~ and especially measurement error ~ are present in sufficient amounts to invalidate the metric altogether. I’d argue that, based on the evidence we have to date, they don’t. That doesn’t mean, however, that folks shouldn’t be striving to create better metrics, or that the issues with the current metrics shouldn’t be discussed and dealt with.
The funny thing is, many of the same points could be made about offensive metrics, and yet most people seem to have far fewer issues with them. I’ve never known what to attribute that to ~ though I suspect it has something to do with familiarity, which in this case breeds contentment, not contempt.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
I suspect its that
the offensive metrics are usually more concrete because of the nature of them. A hit is a hit. A run scored is a run scored.
There is some ambiguity about who’s ball one might be, if anyone’s. Did that player get to a ball that he shouldn’t have or missed one he should have. Seems a bit more hazy in different.
What do voluntary mean?
An out is an out? An error is an error?
If a hit were just a hit, or a run just a run, then we wouldn’t have conversations about the advantages of OPS over BA (and wOBA over OPS), or about RBIs, or “context-neutral” offensive stats.
I’d bet Hit f/x introduces some serious challenges to current offensive metrics.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
To some extent your right.
But I was just going for the more concrete aspect of most of the basic offensive stats. There is no concrete stat for real range on defense, and I think that is where a lot of the distrust comes in from. I mean if your looking for concrete stats for defense your basically looking at assists, put outs and errors. I think we can all agree the Error is probably the worst stat in baseball.
What do voluntary mean?
Depending on your POV, there's a bunch of measurement error
in those offensive statistics; what seems “concrete” is often just reduced data. A single is a single, no matter how hard the ball was hit, or on what vector, or what the pitcher was throwing, or the handedness of the batter and pitcher, or the defensive configuration, or…
From this perspective, it’s actually easier (with the available data) right now to get accurate measurement of many of the components of “true defensive ability” than “true offensive ability.”
The question, of course, is whether we really want to measure “true offensive ability” (and what we mean by that), or whether we’re happy, in the long run, with our proxies for it. And the same holds true for defense.
(And it should go without saying that none of this replaces the role of first-hand observation, scouting, player development, etc.)
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
why/how does this so called "true offensive ability" even matter?
I mean, its pretty simple, the only things in offensive baseball that matter are outs and runs it doesnt matter how you get them, but as long as you go about doing it. I think its a stupid and unproductive thing to look for value outside of what he actually does in the parameters of bases gained and outs made.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
It matters just as much
and for the same reasons that this so-called “true defensive ability” does.
What you consider “stupid and unproductive” notwithstanding, a lot of folks ~ including a number in MLB front offices ~ are, in fact, extremely interested in figuring out in more detail how outs and runs are made, so that they can apply that knowledge to projecting and developing players’ performances.
If that doesn’t make sense to you, that’s your deal.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
it makes plenty of sense, i understand exactly what you are getting at
but i think there is a serious flaw in the thinking that we can measure an offensive players production by how hard he hits the ball and how often he does that. Thats just me though.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Hit f/x data will consitute another set of data
from which to build better and better metrics.
Just as wOBA assigns different (expected) run values to different offensive outcomes, and uses them to measure a player’s offensive production, so too could HIt f/x-backed data help construct measures that take into account velocities and trajectories and such.
We already toss in and out of zone contact rates (and LD% and the like) around here…
I understand where you’re coming from, but I think your objections are a good example of familiarity breeding contentment.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
haha, ok, im about as ready to accept anything that brings more light to the game
but the problem with looking at that is that it simply doesnt add a whole to measure true value as true value in offensive baseball has everything to do with bases made and outs made, there is just very little to look at more than that when you look at those things over an exteneded period of time.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
I should never have gone along
with that use of “value” here, because it confused the issue.
I’ll revert to and stick with “ability,” because it’s much closer to the heart of my point..
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
The difference is
yes, that would adequately measure a player’s performance that year
but we are trying to predict future performances, too – evaluate
well, a couple of things
UZR is the best we have, i agree, but i dont like when people put tons of stock into valueing players b/c of what he’s done in a year of UZR +/-… I just dont think their are quite enough plays to take out alot of things that dont have anything to do with a players actual defensive ability. I do think that over a huge sample size, like three to four years of performance at a position that it gives us a pretty good indicator of a players value as a defensive player…
on the offensive of side of things, its a whole hell of alot easier to count on things because offensive baseball is almost like a mathmatical equation, four bases, 3 outs, not making outs adds value, making outs detracts value, extra base adds value, so on and so forth. I think its pretty obvious that the value of a player offensively is a whole lot easier to measure than a players defensive value. Defense is played in a massive 3D quadrant with an infinite number of ball speeds and trajectories to play and account for.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
We actually tend to agree on UZR.
But your last sentence is just as true for offense as it is for defense. In other words:
Baseball is played in a massive 3D quadrant with an infinite number of ball speeds and trajectories to play and account for.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
no, because we have a much simpler format to measure the value of an offensive player
why do we need to look beyond a much simpler and cant be topped valueation? Over an extended period of time, measuring bases gained and outs made pretty much equals the value you are looking for offensively
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Not if you're looking at an individual player,
and trying to figure out how to evaluate and project his performance over time, against a neutral backdrop.
Outs made and bases gained are “easy” to measure only because there are convenient and well-accepted ways to reduce the data associated with them. We could do the same with defense, but folks are very familiar with the reasons for objecting to that sort of categorization, and so we don’t tend rely on those sorts of stats anymore.
(See: errors, assists, put-outs, and so on.)
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
yes, but we already have adjustors to account for alot of those things
to take the contextual out of things. I guess id have to see how all those things would be done before i made a judgement on if these new tools are completely useless or just slightly useful in terms of measuring true offensive ability. I just have a hard time imagining that a metric like that could judge the ability of an offensive player to add value to a game. I mean, a guy can hit the ball hard all the time, but he could be an extreme pull hitter and be played in the positions to where it would negate alot of his ability to hit it hard. Even if we can get accurate picture of players ability to add value to a game using these things, i have very little doubt it will just come back spitting out the things we already can measure using base/out metrics with adjustments for context.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Could be.
We won’t know until we have the new data, and try to model it.
But those adjustments you’re talking about in regard to defensive metrics? That’s exactly the sort of thing that folks are planning to develop for offensive metrics ~ data-driven tools that take (even more of) the context out of the batting numbers and rates.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
And, as a result, I think you're very much overstating how simple it is
to calculate the context-neutral, “true” value of a batter.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
no im not, i mean, value?
What else is there to look at in terms of offensive value? The value added of each at bat by a baseball player isnt measured on anything other than an out or base made. Those are the only two things that add value to an actual baseball game. If you measure those things over an extended period of time, you get a very accurate picture of what value a player adds offensively to games he plays in
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Context-neutral is an important idea in this argument.
So is trying to break things down to the level of the individual player.
But “ability” is probably a better term to use than “value,” given the way you’re framing it.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
ok, i understand the ability phrasing and would agree somewhat with that
you might be able to better predict a young players ‘ability’ by using measurements involving HitFx… But id still have a pretty hard time seeing anything useful in mining that for a player with a significant amount of data accumulated in the outs/bases made category.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Those data are dependent to at least some degree
on context ~ including not only physical playing environment, but also the player’s physical characteristics (including age), level of competition, and so forth.
The idea is to do a better job of figuring out exactly what the significant amount of data accumulated measures, and how.
Back in the day, we tended to assume that if Player A and Player B both hit x home runs over roughly the same number y of plate appearances, then all that mattered was those counts. We sort of figured that everything else came out in the wash of a 162-game season. And that would be even more true, we presumed, over the cumulative counts achieved over many seasons.
As more work was done on baseball stats, folks realized it might well be important to dig deeper into stuff like (say) park factors. For example, if Player A’s park had a short right-field porch, and Player B played in a cavern, could we figure out how to model those differences?
This leads to all sorts of other questions, and not just about home runs. And a number of those questions couldn’t be answered by either our current counting stats, or our relative newfangled rate stats. And that’s where Hit f/x (I hope) comes in…
Even if we accumulate
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Oops: ignore that last fragment, please.
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
ok, well, we can resume this argument when we start seeing these types
of metrics for offensive players being used… I’ll be interested to see them, but I still just have a hard time seeing them adding much to what we can already measure. Its been a good discussion though, and i enjoyed it.
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Fair enough.
And I enjoyed it, too ~ thanks, and have a good night (or day, depending where you’re located)…
Your 2009 Texas Rangers: "Can't take a fucking to save their lives" (lisa w, 2009).
Ranger need to survive this road trip then start beating the weak sisters.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
I love it that BOS has a series at TPA coming up in a couple of weeks...
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
that is nice
that place is just tough as hell to win a series in… im glad we got that out of the way only 1 game out
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
Crush returns and the Rangers get back to within a game of the WC? WOO!
the preceding post was a great success.
This move only works
if Davis can somehow learn how to hit LH pitching and not shit the bed like he did every day from the first day of Spring Training to the day his ass was shipped to OKC.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
And like Hank F
had done for pretty much every day since the ASB.
At the least your talking about a defensive upgrade for basically no offensive negative, looking at Blalock’s recent ABs. Also who says you have to put him out there against LHP anyway?
What do voluntary mean?
Hey, Josey...
the Great Crush Davis War of 2009 is over. Let the healing begin.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
You need to speak a louder, little brother
Big Bro’s wings are muffling everything you say.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
What?
I can’t hear you with Hank F.’s balls in your mouth.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
by benmor78 on Aug 23, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 22 recs
do we need to add anymore?
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
This should be the only response
To anything Josey ever has to say on the subject.
No getting baited.
Just one response like this.
"This move works" is all you shouldve said.
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 23, 2009 10:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's all hope his adjustments transition well from Milb to MLB
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
You gotta admit it was time, though.
You couldn’t have enjoyed watching Hank struggle so badly
"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young
Sure he could have
as long as the Rangers was winning he could bask in his being “right”.
What do voluntary mean?
I don't think he did (if he's a real Rangers' fan)
But, now he’s got to find some new schtick. That stuff is hard to come up with. But, give him time. I’m sure he’ll come up with something. Or resurrect some old schtick.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 23, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Not by replacing him with Chris Davis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It's healing time Josey
Just sit back and relax. This Thing is back on track now.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Hankie was shitting the bed
every night. Ray Charles would have been a better option at this point over Hank.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
OT - I see where ESPN is doing the national TV bit with the Holland/Pettitte matchup Wed night...
Ephesians 3:20-21...and I can only imagine
About mother effin time.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Aug 23, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 13 recs
Turn it green!
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on Aug 23, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome.
Hopefully his swing is fixed.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
Rudy & Josey pulling for CD failure at this point?
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Unlike the
dumbfucks in here who can’t enjoy a great season, I’ll root for CD but I don’t have any faith that he will hit in The Show.
.143 /.491 speaks volumes.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll see.
I have my doubts that you’ll “root for CD.”
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Can't hit the ball back to Little Brother
otherwise he’ll tell everybody how he got his feelings hurt.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't get butthurt just because you were massacred in The Great Hank Blalock War.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
The Rangers went 28-19 "since all the positive changes were made"
and also ended the the June Swoon on a dime (as predicted) – so I didn’t get massacred in The Great Hank Blalock War.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, let's see...
…Hank Blalock is now on the bench in favor of Chris Davis.
Uh…so how did you not get massacred?
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Josey is one of those people who you can make rational arguments with until you're blue in the face and he won't pay attention
The nice thing about being one of those sorts of people is that you can’t ever lose an argument.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
Like banging your head against a wall
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
The team was in First with Davis manning 1b
Amazing isn’t it! You can make any stat to fit what you want it too. Keep firing away Josey surly something will stick against the wall for you, just not this.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
I predict that if the Rangers have the best ERA in baseball over the last 39
they will have a similar record regardless of what Crush does AB.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and champ?
Still waiting on that link to evidence that the veterans on the team hate the front office.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
So...
If the Rangers win the nest 10 straight while Davis goes 0-40 with 40 Ks I assume it would be his presence in the starting lineup that sparks it??
No it just means
This team has been covering for 1b all year long no matter who is over there.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Ahh...
you, unlike some, have mastered the power of reason
No, it will probably mean our pitchers have continued to improve.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
What does that mean?
When do I do that?
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
Ben, the Outlaw will be rooting for CD
rooting for him to fail.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
He'll root for CD
but be quick to point out failures and cite plenty of stats on why Blalock should be in there. And there will be plenty of responses that Blalock blows and couldn’t possibly be worse. In the end, if the Rangers win, he’ll be one of the happiest guys in room. I don’t doubt his loyalty and he only wants to see the Rangers do well.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Aug 23, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I have been cheering for this great season.
Like you I have no faith in Blalock that he hasn’t been hitting in The Show.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
That is seriously a good idea.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I have an idea...
Make him do pushups willie mays hays style every time he tries to pull an outside pitch
and make sure that he understands that he doesnt have to swing at balls
Its not that hard to do better than
202/573 considering that he never had a full month worse than that. I understand you have to beat on his hitting against LHP because thats about the only thing you could measure Blalock’s post ASB performance against and not be found insanely wanting.
I hope Blalock finds his stroke again because it will help the team, but Blalock has a terrible approach and seems to be getting worse at 1b defense.
What do voluntary mean?
Stop with
the fucking hypocrisy, JKolar.
You wanted Hank to fail the entire time and to say otherwise is a lie.
Same goes for 99% of LSB, the Morris Bros, Newberg and EMC.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I never wanted him to fail.
Whenever he was up I wanted him to help the team….he just never did it.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
I wanted Hank to either get incredibly hot and provide some serious production
Or fall as flat on his face as possible so he’d be out of his everyday job ASAP. No in-betweens. It’s unfortunate that it had to be the latter, but at least the situation is somewhat resolved.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
You calling someone a hypocrite
is literally the pot calling the kettle black.
I didn’t want Blalock to fail, I just saw the writing on the wall that said he was likely to. He has a bad approach at the plate and has for years now. I mean him suddenly getting a starting job didn’t mean he would magically become a different hitter.
I agree it was time for Davis to go back down. He kept getting worse. ITs now time for Blalock to sit down because he has kept getting worse. AT last Davis brought a competent glove.
What do voluntary mean?
x
figuratively
(anyone watch HIMYM?)
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
-Rogers Hornsby
by Haeger Champ on Aug 24, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, every week, well done
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
I feel most people here could have cared less who played first to start the season.
Other than the fact that CD was the future and this year was about player developement. You are the one who seemed to have a personal attachment to your guy at the expense of Chris
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 23, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It is a smear campaign Josey is doing to Davis
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
No, you arrogant dickhead
Why would we want him to fail? I, like most fans on here, love the Rangers and want them to win no matter who’s playing. Did you really think we wanted him to fail just so we could run and get on our little computers and say “ooooh, I told you so?” Please.
Way to not lurk and instead shit all over yourself during your first fanshot.
-FirebatM3 to Ryan2907. 6/3/09.
by SarasotaRanger on Aug 23, 2009 11:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I really think he believes what he post
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Blalock has set the bar very, very low for Davis to improve on.
Go to NY do better than 1-11, don’t allow 3 errors (by pitchers) on pick-offs and 2 other plays not made on other throws and you have improvement.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 24, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Let the rooting begin! On 3-2-1-
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
Yankees win...
now fuck ’em. I hated rooting for them these last couple of weeks.
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Aug 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
To be fair to Josey...
The Great War is won by nobody if Chris Davis cannot come up and contribute at a rate significantly better than what he and Blalock have offered so far this year…
Davis sucked. Blalock sucked. Nobody wins wars where everybody loses.
On the contrary...
Ranger pitchers and infielders have won the Great Blalock War. At least they’ll have somebody who can catch the fucking ball at first base now.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
Davis sucked
the largest dick an AL 1B has ever been permitted by a GM that I can ever remember. All because, CD was one of JD’s guys. Wonder why it didn’t play well in the room?
A 1 for 22, a 7 for 60 (with 27Ks), a 3 for 44 (with 24Ks), a 4 for 28 (with 11Ks) along the way to a pace of striking out 266 times in a season not to mention pitchers brazenly throwing 90 mph pitches down the heart of the plate at the very end !?
Here come all those LH pitchers we saw in June and there sits Chris Davis like a boil on our ass with that very glowing .143 average / .491 OPS.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
What a sock puppet of yourself you are.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
How do you know CDavis will be able to hit LH
pitching after sucking the dick he sucked against them earlier in the year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt they are DFAing Blalock.
If your that worried about it then realize theres a real chance that Hank F still gets to take some hacks at LHP in place of Davis.
What do voluntary mean?
The only thing I'm worried about is that Chris Davis
can’t hit LH pitching.
This team was castrated in June and a big part of it was because CDavis was in the line-up nearly every day while everybody kept throwing LH pitching at us.
He’s one of JD’s boys and most of you love him but the sack of shit hit .143 with a .491 OPS v LH pitching and that’s what helped kill This Thing in June.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 23, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Still waiting on that link with evidence that the veterans hate the front office.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
You really are an angry little man aren't you?
Davis wasn’t good this year. Blalock wasn’t good this year. In order. Its now time to see if we can get some positive defense and offense from the postion. Davis may well not be any better than Blalock has been of late, but its not likely hes going to be much worse.
I understand at this point you have latched onto the batting average of Davis against LHP as your only statistical point because Blalock has been incredibly putrid in the last month against everyone.
I agree that it could be a problem, but having a 1b that can’t hit his way out of a paper bag and apparently can’t field either can’t be taken at this point. Maybe davis will be as bad in general as Blalock has been with the bat for the last month, maybe not, but at this point I’ll bet on him being better with the glove.
What do voluntary mean?
Why would that worry you when Hank is the bat in the lineup that he's replacing
And Hank couldn’t hit lefties?
We are in no worse a position than we were with Hank in the lineup, that’s why this move makes all the sense in the world and why you lost the great war
I don't but I would rather give him another shot
Than watch Hank suck dick against every pitcher out there night in and night out at this point. Plus don’t bother with the record you are getting ready to throw out. Davis was playing 1b while this team was in first.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
All I know is Blalock sucked the biggest dick in arguably the biggest 3 game series of the year.
We need to fix the Cespool that was manni g 1B internally. Chris has made adjustments
In AAA and the club is looking to see if that can translate here.
Hank F will be a NRI next year for Kansas City,dobt you worry Outlaw.
by TooLegitToQuit on Aug 23, 2009 10:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Everyone in here wanted Davis sent down
long before he was sent down. We all hoped he would go to AAA and regain his form and the Blalock would return to his former self, only one of those two happened. Davis has proven himself ready and Blalock has proven himself worthy of a benching, he has contributed next to nothing for far to long and his already poor defense has taken an incredible nose dive over the last week. Nobody is suggesting Davis will turn into a left handed Pujols but the change is needed and welcomed, Blalock is done in the same way Davis was done at the end of June. If Davis’ numbers proved him incapable then, then Blalock’s numbers do the same today, its that simple, chemistry be damned Blalock does not deserve to play everyday any longer and neither does AJ so David gets the chance, and he has earned it.
by cletuspain on Aug 24, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Dodger are that desperate for starters?
Damn.
What do voluntary mean?
Is Kuroda still out?
It’s amazing that as good as they are at the top — Billingsley, Kershaw, maybe even lump Wolf in there at the top — they are razor thin at the bottom. I think their current No. 4 and No. 5 are Charlie Haegar and Jeff Freakin’ Weaver.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Question:
Why the hell is every knuckleballer named ‘Charlie’?
by oc on Aug 23, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or has the last name
Neikro
What do voluntary mean?
4 words.
Tim
Wakefield
R.A. (not really a word, per se)
Dickey
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Aug 24, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
thats pretty overwhelming
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
It would be like combining pop rocks and soda...
You don’t want to see what would happen if there was a knuckler named Charlie Niekro. End of days type shit.
Yeah, they were that desperate
I still think that if Padilla goes headhunting again, a pitch or two thrown at his head will shape him up right quick.
Rudy
Is this the last year of his contract? He is one of the highest paid coaches in the league. With the rangers money situation isn’t a lock for him not to be back?
In Gut we trust.