New T.R. Sullivan mailbag column up
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2009 3:23 PM CDT
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T.R. Sullivan has a new mailbag up.
He says the Rangers "need" Marlon Byrd back next season, talks about the Rangers potential ROY candidates, and Neftali Feliz's future, among other things...
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Sigh...I'd rather have Josey or AJM do the mailbag for TexasRangers.con
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 24, 2009 3:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
AJM would just link to Jeff Wilson's mailbag
by LiamP on Aug 24, 2009 3:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 8 recs
I don't get the TR hate
He is what he is, a guy who is only semi-independent from the ballclub answering the type of questions that fans who get 90% of their info about the Rangers from MLB.com ask.
He is not there for pointed, critical analysis of the Rangers. Why people expect this of him is strange to me. He is there to disseminate information to fans, such as “What network will the team be on next year” and general questions from non-expert fans like “Is Elvis good enough for ROY” and “I thought Borbon was supposed to be a great fielder”.
No one expects the White House Press Secretary to give critical analysis of the administration’s actions/plans, but they do expect him to have bland answers to questions on people’s minds. No matter how silly and inane they are.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Aug 24, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"answering the type of questions that fans who get 90% of their info about the Rangers from MLB.com ask"
This is a good point. We LSBers don’t understand the usefulness of TR’s mailbag, but it’s probably good for the targeted audience of average fans. The average fan follows the Rangers for relaxation and enjoyment, not as an obsession. The average fan will watch games when they get them on cable and might know about a few prospects that have been mentioned by TR or the tv/radio guys.
We’re the people who watch games on outlaw internet tv sites when we can’t get them on tv. We’re the people who don’t just know a few prospects that Josh Lewin mentioned. We’re the ones who can name the entire Hickory Crawdads starting rotation, and spend hours discussing topics like Wilmer Font’s secondary offerings and the bonuses given to 16 year old Latin prospects.
We ain’t TR’s target audience.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TR's problem
Is that he is in his target audience as well.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's terrible.
Seriously, what’s not to get?
He’s an out of touch old-school baseball type who stopped caring about putting out a good product long ago.
Writers like him are a big reason people don’t give a shit about the MSM anymore.
Bunch of tenured fuckwads running out the clock.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't judge him based on mailbags...
I don’t think he’s picking lame questions on purpose.
I don’t read his daily stories, more just his reportage on the roster. And you can appreciate the roster, dirk. Actually I like the short-form Friday columns, too.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Aug 24, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with TR is this...
What are the fewest pitches thrown in a complete game if theoretically one could be pitched in 27 pitches?
— Jeremy H., Mesquite, Texas
Not sure, but Kevin Brown, back in 1990, once threw a four-hit shutout over the Twins in 79 pitches. Greg Maddux, while with the Braves in 1997, needed just 78 pitches in a complete-game win over the Cardinals. Bob Tewksbury once had a 75-pitch complete game. Tough to find one lower than that.
I just took 30 seconds to google the question and learned that Charley “Red” Barrett threw 58 pitches in a shutout in 1944. If it is your job to answer these questions, he is really going to be too lazy to look up the answer to a simple question like this? And instead he just lists games he has heard of that were unusually low pitch counts? Ridiculous.
my better is better than your better.
by rangerjake on Aug 24, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I believe this was actually covered in either and LSB thread or a link earlier this summer.
I was kind of appalled that he gave that answer since I remembered the number as being in the fifties.
by other_shoe on Aug 24, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Mesquite, Texas doesn’t have access to google either? I agree that T.R. should have been able to do this but what’s up with this idiot that can’t use a search engine?
by RangersOCD on Aug 24, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
running water….
Post.Fail.
by red shoe ranger on Aug 24, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the answer is 27
He didn’t ask what was the fewest pitches ever thrown in a game.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on Aug 24, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually he did
though he didnt do us any favors in understanding that with the way he worded it.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also just not a very good writer
First line in this mailbag:
The Rangers, without going into his long list of exceptional attributes, need Byrd for next year.
What?? Isn’t that just grammatically incorrect?? Is TR talking about a guy whose name is “The Rangers”?
by alon91 on Aug 24, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's correctly parsed.
The RAngers need Byrd for next year. Interrupted by the phrase within commas, reflecting pause for comment.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 24, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is the modifier.
Don’t know what it is modifying. Please don’t defend it.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Aug 24, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
at the very least it’s unnecessarily ambiguous, especially for a guy who’s spent at least a few decades as a professional writer. with a re-read or two its easy to understand what he means, but it’s not clear writing, something that you expect in journalistic works.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was clear to me
What the hell happened to our education system?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 25, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No.
That’s grammatically correct.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Aug 24, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was referring to the placement of "his"
The possessive pronoun typically refers to most recently listed subject, which in this case is The Rangers.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 24, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piss poor writing
but grammatically correct.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
by Parman on Aug 24, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is only technically correct
but nothing about it is proper English. Pronoun before antecedent and ambiguous modifier in the same sentence? These are pretty standard edits that most writers catch.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Aug 24, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow -- surprised to learn it's grammatically correct
Either way it’s a bizarre and incredibly awkward way to phrase that sentence. Why a professional writer would choose to do that in the first sentence of short piece with just a few hundred words of original, non-reprinted content is beyond me.
by alon91 on Aug 24, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really think
byrd gets knocked around unfairly around here. for a guy that’s been a two and a half win player each year here and good both defensively and offensively, he deserves a little more respect. in terms of dollars, i think re-signing him would make sense, as long as it’s not too many years. however, because of the other options we have in the OF im not sure itd be best to bring him back, considering money is scarce and we have other needs to tend to.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 24, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The last part...
…is the main thing.
He’s 31 years old, he can be expected to get worse, not better, going forward, and he’s probably looking at 3-4 years at $5 million per.
I think you get the same performance, offensively and defensively, from a Murphy/Boggs platoon as you do from Byrd, and you get it for $4 million less per year.
So why bring him back?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I wish certain people (especially media personnel) would stop overvaluing Byrd. He is a nice contibutor on a contending team, but getting the same contributions fro pre-arb players is why you build your farm system. Byrd is not the type of player that you give a multi-year 8-figure deal to.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Aug 24, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good face + hair on fire
No, but seriously, I hope he’s not around next year. There’s better ways to spend the little money available in the small-market payroll. I hear Billy Wagner can be had for cheap.
by alon91 on Aug 24, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Byrd is the textbook example of a guy that you offer arbitration to, and if he accepts it great, and if he declines it, well, that’s pretty good to. Just cross your fingers that he sneaks into a Type A and is picked up by a team towards the back of the first round.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 24, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Andruw Jones
question and answer was hilarious
by BEW on Aug 24, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"umm,no"
I prefer the Dr. Evil “How bout No?”
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 24, 2009 3:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody actually thinks that...
Andruw is doing well this season? He must have only seen that one game against LAA this season.
by troysboys on Aug 24, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is safe to say
that Joshua O in San Juan, P.R. doesn’t visit LSB very much.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Aug 24, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was an absolutely hilarious question.
It’s like he thinks our major-league pitching staff is worse than the AAA staff. TR’s response was pretty good.
by jwiscarson on Aug 24, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had absolutely no idea who Jailen Peguero was
and now that I do the question is even weirder.
by UNTJosh on Aug 24, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like that guy just put together a list as if to say, "look at me, I know about the minors!"
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tom glavine eh?
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
by gossamer on Aug 24, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Complete game theoretical question
It is possible to throw a complete game with 25 pitches. You are the visiting team, and the home team shuts you out over your nine half innings, thus does not come to the plate for the bottom of the ninth. You get 24 outs on 24 pitches, but give up one HR. Complete game, 25 pitches, lose 1-0.
Not that it ever would happen.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 24, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would take a whole lineup of
Marlon Byrds to make that happen.
by cmfuld on Aug 24, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, Hank Blalock is not even capable of making this happen
He whiffs on 82 mph changeups in the dirt too often.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could do it with 13 pitches
You are the visiting team’s pitcher.
You give up a home run to the leadoff batter in the bottom of the first.
You retire the next 12 batters on one pitch apiece.
Your team doesn’t score for 5 innings.
After the top of the fifth, it starts raining so hard, the game is called.
You get credit for a complete game.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I hadn’t considered a rain shortened scenario.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 24, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have now officially hurt Kameron Loe's feelings
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No official pitches
As per Ray Corio NYT July 4th 1988
No pitches need be made for a complete nine-inning game if both pitchers have their pickoff moves working. Let’s say that every batter for the first eight and a half innings reaches base without facing a pitch. This can happen in a combination of ways: a pitcher, for example, illegally blowing on his hand twice (bringing two balls and a warning), then having the ball slip from his hands and cross the foul line (another ball), then taking more than 20 seconds to deliver the pitch (a ball for unnecessarily delaying the game). But after each batter gets to first base, and before a pitch is made, each pitcher picks off each runner. That’s 27 visiting team players retired after reaching base and 24 home players set down likewise – all without an official pitch.
Now the home team’s first batter in the ninth continues the pattern of reaching base without a pitch, but instead of being picked off, he advances to second when the inevitable pickoff attempt is thrown wildly. He goes to third as the ball is bobbled by the right fielder, who has not had a chance all game, and he scores when the throw from the rusty-armed outfielder goes astray. The run, scored on three errors, ends a pitchless game in favor of the home team, 1-0.
Throw strikes but don't givr them anything good to hit
by chemx80 on Aug 24, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we have a winner!
You could win some bets with this one.
by northtexan95 on Aug 24, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have the MLB rulebook but
When a batter is awarded first on a pitcher’s illegal action, doesn’t it count as a pitch? Curious.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 24, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfinity??
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
by bking on Aug 25, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this offseason
with all the money we have coming off the table, and no glaring holes to fill, what do you think about making a run at Matt Holliday? We’d lose our second first rounder but we’ll almost surely gain a comp pick for Byrd, so that’s not a huge loss. Obviously there would be some competition for his services, and he may decide he’d rather stay in AAAA, but I’d love to see him in the middle of our lineup for years to come. Having Cruz, Borbon, Hambone and Holliday taking three OF spots and the DH spot, with Murphy in the mix as well, would make our OF a legitimate force, and its probably the clearest and quickest way to upgrade our team.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 24, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't he cost a first rounder, instead of a second?
And while I like the thought, and it would open up some trade possibilities with another of the OF, it just doesn’t seem remotely possible unless we have new ownership.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 24, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said second first rounder.
As in, we’ll have two first next year cause Matt Purke wanted a golden hooker for each of his ten glorious fingers, praise Jesus.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second first rounder
We’d keep our compensatory pick (#15?) but would lose our actual 1st round pick (which is sure to be lower than our compensatory pick at this point).
by Trickman on Aug 24, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps
and i can’t speak to the number of players who will be arb eligible for the first time, which is sure to inflate payroll, but we have over 20m coming off the books in Padilla, Blalock, Benoit, Jennings, Jones and Eddie and all but Eddie have pretty clear internal replacements. Millwood gets an extra mill next year, but we should also (theoretically) have some extra cash from a) not signing Purke (this might have been offset somewhat by the Pudge acquisition) and b) seeing a large bump in fan attendance this year. In short, I think we may have around 12m or so to comfortably offer him annually, and perhaps more if Daddy Hicks or his replacement will pony up “for the right player”.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 24, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given that our offense is a bit troublesome going forward
compared to our pitching, I’d be up for it if the price is right. Holliday is a really good player.
I think that if you sign Holliday, then you consider using Nellie Cruz as part of a package to get a front line starter. Murphy is a perfect 4th OF
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Aug 24, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't Josh Hamilton be more of a trophy to give up?
Heresy, I know. But if Cruz should sustainably outperform Hamilton, despite Josh’s notoriety, what might the return be?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 24, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
I’d almost rather trade Hammy than Cruz as well.
But firstly, that will never happen. Probably not even worth discussing.
Secondly, I can see Cruz as the type of guy some teams (like a San Francisco) would really really want. He’s a genuine slugger who is a solid all-round player. It may well be that his value is peaking right now as well.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Aug 24, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
But firstly, that will never happen. Probably not even worth discussing.
Hambone is one of those guys who’s value to us is almost assuredly going to trump his value to anyone else.
I can’t see him being dealt.
At all.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this probably isn't the right time to sell on Hammy.
I honestly think he’s closer to the player we saw last year to the player we’ve seen this year.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Aug 24, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd look great here.
But he’s gonna be real expensive, plus we already have a pretty full slate of COF/1b/DH types.
I don’t see it happening.
Even if by some mircale we get a stable, rapper-rich ownership group in here by the Winter, I still don’t think it’s very likely.
And our owndership situation is a clusterfuck right now.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially since...
…St. Louis would put Mozeliak’s head on a platter if they gave up the farm for a rental. I expect STL to go after Holliday really, really hard.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
by ghtd36 on Aug 24, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But how do we honestly upgrade our offense? It feels like we’re kind of stuck for next year. Not sure how we can significantly upgrade but at the same time have some concerns about the lineup considering how we’re doing now.
C Salty/Tea
1B Smoak
2B Kinsler
SS Andrus
3B Young
OF Hamilton, Borbon, Cruz, Murphy
DH Davis
by Agreen07 on Aug 24, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering that Young is the only
one of that group exceeding expectations, I don’t think upgrading the offense with an expensive, multi-year FA OF is the way to go. Next winter would be a better time to see where you need to upgrade via FA.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Aug 24, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Internal improvement
You have a 662 OPS from your first basemen so far this year. I think that’s the biggest area of offensive improvement, along with possibly catcher.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C and 1B will improve automatically.
Everybody else is already pretty solid. Safe to assume SS improves also.
"There is no dignity quite so impressive, and no independence quite so important, as living within your means" - Calvin Coolidge
by hubcityraider on Aug 24, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is relatively safe to assume
that we will get more out of Josh Hamilton next year also.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 24, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and even Ian
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Aug 24, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe just to his career averages
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Aug 24, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not terribly optimistic about Kinsler going forward
He seems to have jumped aboard the Blalockian career derailment track.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 24, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I don't really have an argument, just expressing my feelings...
I don’t want to go out and sign Matt Holliday but at the same time I’m a bit concerned about assuming that significant internal improvements will occur, although yes it should.
I don’t think the Rangers should do anything major on the offensive side of things. Smoak will be a rookie and Davis a second-year guy, I want them to play and get experience and I will hope they will be offensive upgrades compared to this year (they most likely will be).
I suppose this is what happens when you have a young team and the kids are called up and asked to play.
by Agreen07 on Aug 24, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone assumed that we would have an improvement in production from our 1B this year
Just sayin’
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 24, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is our DH OPS for the year?
Surely that can be improved next year. Right?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 24, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DH OPS
It’s .838, which is actually 5th in the league.
The DH production wasn’t horrible when Blalock and Jones were basically platooning there, and Jones was okay until this month. Blalock didn’t start completely sucking until he moved 1B and had to play every day.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 24, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, I wouldn't have guessed that
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 24, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not bad, but
im guessing it is buoyed mostly by slugging, while the OBP is pretty weak. some more stat-minded folks can probably speak better to the degree to which OBP is underweighted in OPS than i can. .838 is still not bad though.
As far as improving our DH production next year, I have been advocating a pursuit of Thome. I have no clue what kind of market will take shape for him or for FA in general or what our financial situation will look like, but aside from looking at Sheets, I cant think of a better way to spend what limited money we will probably have.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Aug 25, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
love the Thome idea
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 25, 2009 6:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Improvement
I think there’s a good bit of internal improvement to be had. That said, eventually I’d like to see them capitalize on the two first baseman in a deal to upgrade the offense. If Davis is able to drive his value back up some in September, something like Davis, Teagarden, and a Beaven-type pitching prospect for a DH who can really hit would be something I’d pursue if possible.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 24, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
davis
had “gold glove” calibur defense at 1b. why dh him? can smoak dh? or is he even better?
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
by gossamer on Aug 24, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1B
I don’t think it’s clear whether Davis or Smoak is better. Before this season, I think the feeling was that Smoak was better, but then Davis proved to be outstanding at 1B the first half of the season. That said, Smoak was voted the best defensive 1B in the PCL this year.
It is clear that they are both pretty good defensively, at a position where there isn’t generally a lot of defensive talent. That’s one of the reasons I’d like to see the Rangers explore moving Davis (plus other assets) for a really good hitter to use at DH.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 24, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to know which one has the better range
Perhaps it was his offensive terribleness spilling over into the field, but the way Davis’s UZR numbers plummeted before he went down makes me wonder if most of his defensive value isn’t in his picking/stretching abilites. If that’s the case, I’d be interested to know how exactly Smoak is percieved to stack up to him range and receiving wise.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its just not happening
its ok to dream though
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Aug 24, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the most realistic off-season move
is signing Sheets on a 1-year deal with a team option. We need him for rotation depth.
by Agreen07 on Aug 24, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get a rich owner, save up for a year, and throw Microsoft money at Mauer
by John Fountain on Aug 24, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
its gonna take more than Microsoft money
its gonna take more like US Debt money
"The House That Ruth Built, 85 years old, goes out as The House That Hamilton Knocked Down"
by blalock84 on Aug 24, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean...
he’s going to have to pay whoever signs him?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Aug 24, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
iphone money
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on Aug 24, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, cause this team giving out a 200mm deal for a catcher is a great idea.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Matt Holliday.
Tell Washington they can have our 6-8-10-15 prospects and hand over Adam Dunn. The Natinals don’t need him anyway. Get him on a winner.
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 24, 2009 5:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
youre going to give all that up for Adam Dunn
jeebus
by 6th street on Aug 24, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To paraphrase T.R.
Ummm…no.
You want to add another strikeout machine to THIS team?
by rlb02a on Aug 25, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think his success AGAINST us has as much to do with our park
As it does our shitty pitching (not including this year)
by TheCrow471 on Aug 24, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
34 years old, bad knees, ever-declining power
No thanks.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DH
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
by gossamer on Aug 24, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even for that.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Aug 24, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd certainly help...
…with changing the hack-at-everything offensive culture.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's just a really really good hitter.
Get enough of those, and it really doesn’t matter.
.387 career OBP .
He certainly would help
by tyd3311 on Aug 25, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Halladay.....
3 ER, 5 H allowed in 1st inning tonight…..can you imagine the fan backlash if he were doing that here while Holland was doing his thing in Toronto?
by Drew062682 on Aug 24, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That sonofabitch GM Little Boy Donuts knew what he was doing.
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 24, 2009 6:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He was too busy trying to sabotage This Things by shitting the bed and getting outbid for Nick Johnson.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson
I do think JD missed on that one.
His .962 post-trade OPS would have just a little better than what we’ve gotten out of Blalock this month.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 24, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't mean he would have been hurt if he'd come to Texas instead.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Aug 24, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also doesn't mean hed put up a 962 OPS post trade
So whats your point
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Aug 24, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Nick Johnson
The odds are good he was going to get hurt no matter where he played.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Quick Pitch on MLB Network just had a “Who’s the AL Cy Young frontrunner right now?” conversation. The usual suspects (Greinke, Halladay, Beckett) were discussed, then at the end, one of them said, “Well, you gotta throw in Scott Feldman, look what he’s doing.” The other three kind of looked at each other and finally said, “He’s in there… he’s at the back, but like you said, there are no frontrunners. If he keeps having 11 strikeout nights, we’ll talk about him.”
So, he’s in the conversation at the very least. Pretty cool.
by jam0152 on Aug 24, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if Adam still wants to trade him this winter?
Feldman+ for Nolasco?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Aug 24, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sell high.
There’s an argument to be made… I don’t have to like it, but it might be the most genius move ever made.
by jam0152 on Aug 24, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it
Depending on what the “+” is, of course.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolasco
I’d trade Feldman and a catcher for him.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 24, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
13 wins
will get you far i guess
but he can’t finish ahead of greinke, lester, king felix, verlander, sabatthia, beckett, halladay, edwin jackson, and some guy named john danks
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
by gossamer on Aug 24, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Sheehan wrote today...
…that no A.L. starting pitcher has ever won the Cy Young with less than 18 wins.
Greinke looks like he won’t get 18. Hernandez and Halladay may not, either.
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman has 7-8 starts left
He could get 18 wins.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Aug 24, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC's got 15 right now. And a whip of 1.13.
He’s gonna win it.
by jam0152 on Aug 24, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giving AL Cy Young votes based on wins is ridiculous.
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 24, 2009 7:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous or not, that's the way it's done
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Unfortunate, but true – just like this “the MVP is decided in September” BS.
Baseball awards suck.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's fine
and i know that the guy wasn’t saying anything like feldman is a favorite, just that he has to enter the convo. i’m just saying that feldman probably woulnd’t crack the top 7 or 8 unless a couple of those top guys are on the same team and would split votes or something
a list of guys that could get to 18 wins:
CC – 15-7, 3.59 ERA, 148 Ks, 1.13 Whip
beckett – 14-5 3.65 ERA, 154 Ks, 1.13 Whip
scooter – 13-4 3.87 ERA, 86 Ks, 1.25 Whip
jared weaver – 13-4 3.89 ERA, 143 Ks, 1.22 Whip
justin verlander – 13-7 3.29 ERA, 204 Ks, 1.15 Whip
roy halladay – 13-6 2.78 ERA, 151 Ks, 1.11 Whip
and greinke is 11-8 but plays for 47-76 Royals but has 182 Ks in 173 IP with 2.44 ERA and 1.14 WHIP
feldman is probably 6th out of those possible 18 win guys. but there will be guys to finish ahead of him with 15-17 wins.
i’m happy with his performance this season though.
" This is the inning that propels us to the playoffs. Mark it down."
- Rohn Warshington on Jul 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
5th inning against the Tigers
by gossamer on Aug 24, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think about how crazy this conversation might have seemed in, say, 2007
Scott Feldman getting some Cy Young love?
If we could transport ourselves back in a Delorean and tell our past selves that we would be talking about this, how improbable would that have sounded? It would have been like the scene in Back to the Future III where Doc is telling the old men in 1885 how people drive cars and only walk and run “for fun.”
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JP is looking more & more like a fool.
I'm tired of hearing about team chemistry. You are telling me these fuckers wouldn’t like to have a teammate that could actually help the team win, instead of being down 2-4 spots.
by diamond_dave on Aug 24, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I didn’t think it was possible….but yep.
by Drew062682 on Aug 24, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't think so.
Hate as much as you’d like on what he asked of us, but none of the offers we heard would make me trade Roy Halladay.
Guys like Halladay don’t come on the market very often.
He went out and tried to see if someone would meet the price he thought his franchise ace was worth, no one was willing to do it, so he held on.
I don’t see why he’s an idiot or a fool.
If he’d taken the pu-pu platter Philly was offering like Shapiro did, we’d be ripping him for that, too.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bullshit
you make the deal that helps your team the most…
what is worth more, 1 more year of roy halladay or a few guys who may be worth tons more down the road…?…not to mention the money
also, people like to say we robbed Atlanta in the tex deal, but what JP was asking for blows it away…we didnt get 2 top 10 prospects…or 4 in the top 100…
the deals he was asking for were a joke and everyone knows it
by Horns130 on Aug 24, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay
The Indians got 3 guys in BA’s preseason top 70 prospects in baseball, and the 4th guy was considered the key player in the deal, in return for Cliff Lee.
I think JP had every reason to expect a better package for Halladay.
by Darrell McKown on Aug 24, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly.
You can’t just say “Well _______ got _________ for _________, so I want that times two for my guy,” there obviously has to be demand for your supply. JP overplayed his hand by asking not just for the moon, but Mars and Jupiter as well.
Whatever, I’m happy we didn’t do it and give up Feliz or Holland.
Gracchus (about Obama): I think he knows what America is. America is the mob. Conjure money for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of America is not the paper of the Constitution, it's the power of the media. He'll bring them debt - and they will love him for it.
by Aquaman56 on Aug 24, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think asking for Drabek, Taylor and Happ was asking for the Moon, Mars and Jupiter.
Halladay is a true ace.
Plus he’s uber-beloved up in Toronto.
Why deal him unless you’re getting a great package?
People around here are totally irrational about this because JP asked a ton from us and so now he’s the bad guy cause he (GASP!) wanted our precious young beans in return for his paltry Ace.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m gladder than a fuckstick on a Tuesday that we didn’t pull the trigger on that deal, but that’s because it wasn’t the right deal for us, not because JP was being an unreasonable ass like Smarty McSoundargument up there seems to be implying with his retort of “bullshit”.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricciardi handled all of that pretty badly
from just a form and tack kind of standpoint, but yeah, I don’t blame him for shopping Halladay and not accepting any of the offers. A guy like that should only be traded if the offer is really great. Shapiro played his hand cheaply, Ricciardi just teased but that’s better than taking too little for an ace.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Aug 24, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
From a PR standpoint he did a terrible job of handling the perspective trade of his franchise ace.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 25, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-0 Chicago Sox
2nd and 3rd, 1 out. Alexei up.
by Drew062682 on Aug 24, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2-0 now on a sac fly
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Aug 24, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's that Ramirez guy for the Whitesox?
Looks like Tom Goodwin in Joaquin Arias’ body. Needless to say, he’s not your prototypical baseball body.
by jam0152 on Aug 24, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
srsly
did u just start watching baseball?
by kumizi on Aug 24, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you not know about The Cuban Missile?
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 24, 2009 6:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Are we sure he's from Cuba and not fucking Mordor?
Dude is freaky looking to a degree I find hard to fathom.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckham with a two run shot
4-1 WhiteSox
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Aug 24, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gordon Beckham
would everyone be relatively thrilled next year if Smoak produces something like G-Beck’s .291/.370/.462 ?
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 24, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
White Beckham has been a studs so far.
I think they did a bad job of maximizing his long term value by moving him to 3b, but they are semi kind of somewhat in the race and they did what they had to shore up a weakness with a solid bat.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We better have a goddamn scout on Junters Dossett after this LLWS.
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 24, 2009 7:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
The name alone warrants hot pursuit
Junters Dossett AND Jurickson Profar? We could have a corner on the best names in all of professional baseball.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they both played for Curacao. :D
by Too Legit To quit on Aug 24, 2009 7:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Andruw Jones has to look at his birth certificate and think, "why didn't I get a cool name?"
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could call him
Jurassic Doppleganger, just for effect. He is a ghost of his past.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Aug 24, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for you good sir
Outstanding.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he pronounces it cool.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might I suggest...
…that the updates on other games go into some sort of FanPost?
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 24, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You might, rabbit. You might.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Aug 24, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great 'toon
“shuddup shudden up”
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Aug 24, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you, like the owner of this blog or something?
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a part-timer
Most of his time and resources go towards ruining people’s lives.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Aug 24, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a truly great meltdown by jayslick
And it’s not like it was just a momentary fit of rage, he kept it up for post after post. I think he insulted everything about Adam but his wife.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, where?
I must’ve missed it, which is odd.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. And, uh... Wow.
Can’t believe I missed that.
Pretty epic.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Aug 24, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was like watching one of your coworkers become posessed by an alien.
J.P. can take Roy Halladay and shove him up his ass. I’ll take Derek Holland. - AJM
Rangers can no hit curve ball. Straight ball, they hit it very much. Curve ball, bats are inept.
by lonestarJon on Aug 24, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a few minutes I thought it was a dream, I couldn't believe I was actually reading something that awesome
My favorite part was the accusation that Adam is opposed to analysis-heavy Rangers blogs like BBTIA, as if he takes a Gestapo-like approach and deletes any posts that ever mentions those blogs.
"You dont know much do you, Big Steve?"
--Finnerty.Fan on Aug 13, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Aug 24, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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